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(WFTV Orlando)   Eighteen percent of Florida seniors fail FCAT, state's graduation exam. Administrators consider renaming it the Florida Universal Comprehension Test   (wftv.com) divider line 281
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2005-05-12 03:05:39 PM
As 'peepee mcpoop' said, this will just be another reason to change the way we evaluate Florida students instead of overhauling the system that perpetually fails them.

In other news 'peepee mcpoop' is a funny login
 
2005-05-12 03:06:18 PM
I;m all for a standardized test for graduation by state.

With the huge disparity between the quality of education, there is no way to guarantee graduates even know anything.

Does it hurt students? Hardly. Schools that are disproportionally high failure rates will be under the gun. As they should be.
 
2005-05-12 03:06:22 PM
$50 says a fair amount of those FCAT exams were graded by college-educated under-employed seasonal workers who double as "Performance Scorers", working at the NCS-Pierson offices on Elmwood Street just north of Saginaw Highway (and just across from the Lansing Mall) in Delta Township, MI, which is just west of the city of Lansing proper.

/Not that I ever worked there or anything
//Not that scoring Florida math exam questions gave me the impression that a significant and disturbing proportion of Florida's students were virtually retarded
 
2005-05-12 03:06:24 PM
So how does this make the kids stupid? How about the teachers/educational system etc. not doing their jobs. The kids are probably holding up their ends, trying to get laid, playing video games, sports...you know acting like kids.

How about adding a clause to the teachers contracts that raises or lowers their pay based on how many kids pas or fail?
 
2005-05-12 03:08:04 PM
I just wrote my Grade ten FCAT in my first year down here after moving from Canada.

That was one of the easiest tests ever made.

I remember one of the questions was:

When a pirate referes to his "booty" what is he refering to?
 
2005-05-12 03:08:43 PM
Vicious.

You are obviously a shining example of the Florida Public School System. Way to prove the point. Idiot.
 
2005-05-12 03:11:10 PM
Uncoolest: Good idea, if the administrators can change the test each year and can keep its content secret. Otherwise, teachers will just teach exactly what kids need to know for the test, nothing more.
 
2005-05-12 03:11:47 PM
Just imagine if the governor's brother tried to run a global superpower country!!

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Weep, weep, weep, weep, weep...
 
2005-05-12 03:12:08 PM
Jaegs
When a pirate referes to his "booty" what is he refering to?

Mrs. Hook?
 
2005-05-12 03:12:30 PM
"there ya go using words I don't understand, ya know I never got my grade 10..."
/Ricky
 
2005-05-12 03:13:46 PM
It's really sad that fully half of Florida's school-children are below average. Sad, indeed. *Smirk*

Lotsa these stats are skewed by where the schools are in Florida. South Florida has a large population of people who are ESL.

I am not defending anything.
 
2005-05-12 03:13:47 PM
Frump-y:

You are obviously a shining example of the Florida Public School System. Way to prove the point. Idiot.


Actually he has a point. In FL is a wide gap between public schools in affluent areas and those in predominantly minority areas. This is particularly true in south west FL (my former home).
 
2005-05-12 03:13:54 PM
By seniors you mean highschool punks? Whew, I thought you were after my drivers license again. To the farmer's market!
 
2005-05-12 03:13:57 PM
Moose
I graduated from the University of West Florida. It was/is a very good school, and it is recognized widely that Florida, overall, has terrific "public" colleges and universities, and they are priced right.

Agreed.
 
2005-05-12 03:14:14 PM
Just for fun:

FCAT 10th Grade Sample Math Questions:

1. Kim wants to build a full-size boat out of plywood. Kim drew a scale model of the boat that has a length of 6 inches and a width of 3 inches.

If the width of the full-size boat will be 4 feet, what will be the length of the full-size boat in feet? Use the scale model to help you determine your answer.

A. 2 feet
B. 4 feet
C. 8 feet
D. 12 feet
 
2005-05-12 03:17:49 PM
2. A sphere has a surface area of 1256 square meters. What is the radius of the sphere?

Given Formala: Surface Area = 4r2

F. 10 meters
G. 20 meters
H. 100 meters
I. 200 meters
 
2005-05-12 03:17:58 PM
Actually he has a point. In FL is a wide gap between public schools in affluent areas and those in predominantly minority areas. This is particularly true in south west FL (my former home).

Ditto North Florida- Capitol (leon Co.) had 73% of third graders reading at level yet Gadsden Co. immediately west and very rural had only 39% of 3rd graders at level.

/lotta catchin' up to do.
 
2005-05-12 03:18:07 PM


Yes, that's an actual page from a sample FCAT for Math, 10th grade. They not only get to use calculators, but get detailed instructions too.

Come on, anyone who can't figure out that the "=" key means "equals" is pretty much already FUCT... Nice that they also pointed out that the "OFF" key means "OFF".
 
2005-05-12 03:19:43 PM
TheLimper

1. Kim wants to build a full-size boat out of plywood. Kim drew a scale model of the boat that has a length of 6 inches and a width of 3 inches.

If the width of the full-size boat will be 4 feet, what will be the length of the full-size boat in feet? Use the scale model to help you determine your answer.


Given that the model's length is double the width, the full-size boat should be eight feet long. Don't kids learn about ratios and proportions in grammar school anymore?

PS: Still got a grudge against Croaker and the Lady, Limper?
 
2005-05-12 03:20:29 PM
My college posted a graduation percentage table. It was a 4 x 4 table, and on the left it listed your high school class rank and accross the top it listed your ACT score.

The class rank, by far, was a better indicator of college success. The lowest graduation rate was actually found in the box with the highest ACT score (I think it was 28+, maybe 27+) and the lowest class rank (bottom 1/4).

I thought I had a point, but apparently I lost it. Umm...don't do drugs?
 
2005-05-12 03:21:11 PM
See that America? It's not only voter fraud that keeps crooks like Jeb Bush and Jim King getting elected.
 
2005-05-12 03:22:13 PM
Programmer Cat:

Given that the model's length is double the width, the full-size boat should be eight feet long. Don't kids learn about ratios and proportions in grammar school anymore?


Thanks for breaking that down for us.
 
2005-05-12 03:23:46 PM
The weed out process needs to begin about the sophomore year of high school. That's the time to select who among the legions of mental midgets which compose the publicly educated are to become the service industry automatons for the rest of us.

Few should be allowed on to college. The relative worth of my degree is cheapened by the many thousands of morons who just get passed on by....at the college level...it's insane.

All your brain cells are belong to us!
 
2005-05-12 03:23:56 PM
Programmer Cat

PS: Still got a grudge against Croaker and the Lady, Limper?

Who? Nevermind, I guess that answers that... LOL
 
2005-05-12 03:25:20 PM
Programmer Cat

Facts don't have a place in your life do they?
 
2005-05-12 03:25:51 PM
TheLimper

Who? Nevermind, I guess that answers that... LOL

Not a Glen Cook fan, eh? I guess you got your name elsewhere.
 
2005-05-12 03:26:15 PM
question #2 formula should read:

S.A. = 4(pi)r2

The pi symbol didn't paste.
 
2005-05-12 03:26:36 PM
Florida drop-out rates are very low (<5%?) but only 2/3 of their ninth grade classes actually graduate. Neat trick, huh?

They do that in Texas too.......

/if you can't get the right answer, change the question
//then declare victory and move on
 
2005-05-12 03:26:53 PM
2wolves

Facts don't have a place in your life do they?

What in Hell's name are you blithering about?
 
2005-05-12 03:27:39 PM
wow big surprise. i've been in the florida school system my whole life. it sucks. a lot (obviously). i had the priviledge(?) of reading my senior class' final essays. my god, how did they make it past 8th grade? 80% of those bastards couldn't even use "you're" and "their" correctly. it's really farkin' sad. my best friend didn't even know what "nova scotia" was; she pronounced it "novia scottia" and then asked me what the hell a province was. this was after we graduated. so anyway, there are a bunch of idiots and florida and i can't seem to get out.
btw, how the hell can you NOT pass the farkin FCAT? just go ahead and euthanize that 18%. we don't need them.
 
2005-05-12 03:27:55 PM
The grade 11 FCAT for science is actually pretty challenging, especially when you consider most of these teenagers probably don't know that "a gas" doesn't just mean what happens after they eat at Taco Bell.

Sample science test, grade 11 (questions start on page 13)
 
2005-05-12 03:28:13 PM
Jeb Bush and Jim King getting elected.

Gravity
Jim King>Jebulous Bush.
 
2005-05-12 03:28:43 PM
Not a Glen Cook fan, eh?

Nope, can't say I am.

It's a poker term.

 
2005-05-12 03:30:07 PM


HA! I knew it all along.
 
2005-05-12 03:30:30 PM
superkt:

wow big surprise. i've been in the florida school system my whole life. it sucks. a lot (obviously).


Is there no IB school near you?
 
2005-05-12 03:31:05 PM
Intelligence and literacy requirements should be mandatory for anyone seeking a voter registration card.
 
2005-05-12 03:31:09 PM
TheLimper

It's a poker term.

Ah, that explains it. Now, if I played poker I'd have known that.
 
2005-05-12 03:31:38 PM
jeez, I just realized how big that noggin is. Go figure...
 
2005-05-12 03:31:53 PM
The most significant predictor of test scores is the student's socioeconomic status. After that, it's per-student spending and class size.

How is it again that a teacher should be held "accountable" for a student's economic situation? Or for the per-student spending in his or her state? Or for the number of students in his or her class?

I call shenanigans, Jeb.
 
2005-05-12 03:32:07 PM
I just can't believe they give you all the formulas and even allow a calculator.

whelmed

The grade 11 FCAT for science is actually pretty challenging.

Fairly, but I was never a science person.
 
2005-05-12 03:32:07 PM
Teddy B

Intelligence and literacy requirements should be mandatory for anyone seeking a voter registration card.

The 1800s called. They want their literacy tests back.
 
2005-05-12 03:32:38 PM
2005-05-12 03:30:30 PM Tupuli

superkt:

wow big surprise. i've been in the florida school system my whole life. it sucks. a lot (obviously).


Is there no IB school near you?


yeah, there is actually in the next city over. i was an ignorant 8th grader when i was invited to it but i wanted to be cool and go to high school with my friends instead. i sorta pretty much regret that. a good school too from what i hear. shrug.
 
2005-05-12 03:32:47 PM
I don't think old people should have to take tests...
 
2005-05-12 03:33:26 PM
No Child Left Behind really works...! Oh, except for almost one in every five high school students in Florida.

Keep up the great work, Governor Jeb.

/also, Jeb Bush is a fatty
 
2005-05-12 03:33:29 PM
Here in Virginia we have the Standards of Learning test. I am a high school teacher and my motto is: "Don't be SOL on the SOL". Since we waive final exams for anyone who passes in their subject area I have also said to my classes..."If you fail the SOL your are SOL and have to take my final."
 
2005-05-12 03:33:33 PM
Is there no IB school near you?
Here the IB's are IN the regular schools so the smart kids don't miss out on any of the ass-whippings.
 
2005-05-12 03:34:03 PM
arniebuteft

Don't forget that you get a very detailed formula sheet as well.

Honestly, FCAT was ridiculously easy when I had to take it. The biggest problem that I had with it was that you spend a considerable amount of in-class time during the year learning how to take the test. In my high school English classes, for example, we learned how to write two-three complete sentences in order to answer the written response questions.

Oh well, thanks to Florida's school system for overinflating GPAs for honours credits, I now get $800/semester for going to UCF.

/thinks Florida's budget problems can be solved with a state income tax
//retired snowbirds would riot in the streets at such a proposal
 
2005-05-12 03:34:09 PM
master_of_none

How is it again that a teacher should be held "accountable" for a student's economic situation? Or for the per-student spending in his or her state? Or for the number of students in his or her class?

Stop making excuses for the ignorant and the incompetent.
 
2005-05-12 03:34:16 PM
leitmotive:

The test is shiate. I scored a 4 and 5, respectively, on my AP Comp./Lit exams and mustered a 710 on the language portion of the SAT.

I failed the reading comprehension portion of the FCAT.

Sorry, the system's busted. Floridians are dumb, but this test is by no means indicative of how many or how dumb -- all it measures is the idiocy of the people who composed it.


I'm not saying it is the case, but for the sake of argument, it could be the case that the SAT and AP tests are weak, and the other one is a stronger and/or more difficult test.

I got 3's on my AP's, aced the verbal on the SAT, but didn't live in FL, so go me!

(Virginia has SOL tests. The jokes write themselves!)
 
2005-05-12 03:35:26 PM
pootrootbeer:

NCLB is even worse than Jeb's "A+ Plan." A number of schools in FL that received "A" grades were sanctioned as failing under NCLB.

It's almost comic. Almost.
 
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