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LoveInAction		2005-05-10 09:24:17 AM

Yup... it's natch'rul!

El_Camino_SS		2005-05-10 09:25:24 AM

2005-05-10 09:20:39 AM Jagasian

Being black is a choice, hence true Christians opposed black marriage.

Nice clean hit.

Yes, all of these churches that oppose gay marriage now were the ones that opposed interracial marriage forty years ago.

Good perspective.

RSeery		2005-05-10 09:25:31 AM

Puto4Life: I forsee this thread going to infity and beyond.

salinacj		2005-05-10 09:25:50 AM

LoveInAction

Oh, its fact, not legand, and you kinda missed my point

pantropik		2005-05-10 09:26:05 AM

TimeCubeFan

I am a male, and I've been in a fulfilling, monogamous relationship with another male for nearly four years now. We are both young and healthy and happy (as much as anyone else, I suppose). We enjoy our life together just as any other couple would, in all the normal, everyday ways and we don't harm anyone.

When he and I decide to "practice" our "choice" (bearing in mind that sex is actually only a relatively small component of a successful relationship), no one has to worry that we'll lose control and kill a bus full of school kids (as they would if you gave in to your "self-destructive" tendencies). You compare "practicing" homosexuality to being a drunk. I fail to see how the comparison is anything other than hopelessly, mind-numbingly stupid and just a little too sad to be laughable. Maybe you do have the "drunk gene", meaning you were in fact born terribly defective. I find being lumped in with you more than a little offensive.

Your defect makes you a danger not just to yourself but to others (and should keep you from having kids, ever -- don't want to pass the "disease" along, now do you?). My "defect" allows me to spend my life with a wonderful human being I dearly love. I'll take the latter, hands-down, every time.

kevin5lynn		2005-05-10 09:26:40 AM

barjockey

Maybe so, maybe not - I wasn't there.

Neither was I. I didn't review this paper, so how can I know if scientists skewed facts to advance an ideological view?

I can only guess that if so, it will be caught, the scientists involved will be ridiculed and humiliated for it and will lose in status and in grant money.

LoveInAction		2005-05-10 09:27:59 AM

salinacj: Oh, its fact, not legand, and you kinda missed my point

Oh, I got your point, baby...

But I'm not sure you got mine.

kevin5lynn		2005-05-10 09:32:11 AM

pantropik

You compare "practicing" homosexuality to being a drunk.

Whenever we have an homosexuality discussion on Fark, it always comes down to "is it a choice".

Some people, such as myself, argue that no, it is not a choice, it is biologically hardwired.

Other examples of such hardwiring is preferring big tits to asses, being right handed, or having an "alcoholic" gene wich makes one more susceptible to be a drunk.

It is not meant as an offense. We all have predispositions in our minds, some of which are good and should be pursued, some of which are bad and should be controlled.

barjockey		2005-05-10 09:32:12 AM

Being black is a choice, hence true Christians opposed black marriage.

I love these trolls. I think Steve French gets the credit for starting the obviously-ridiculous-one-line-strawman-kamakazi attacks in threads like these.

"Jesus sez all good Christians should suck the blood of fags, remove the heads of non-caucasians, mix it together and sacrifice it on the altar at Wal-Mart..."

Addicted		2005-05-10 09:32:56 AM

I'm tired of all these "do you think I'd choose [insert degrading/outcasting/maltreatment]" arguments about being gay; descriptions of how homosexuals are forced into their situation, implying that somehow if they had their say they'd choose otherwise.

Well, I no more feel forced into being gay than I do being forced to stand and pee at a urinal.

I like men. I like kissing men. I like having sex with men. (And, yes, sweaty man pheremones do turn me on.)

/in love with the most incredible guy in the world, and proud of it

pantropik		2005-05-10 09:34:08 AM

kevin5lynn

I agree, in general. But read the comment I was responding to. It's textbook offensive.

Effing A		2005-05-10 09:36:40 AM

Homosexuality is at a much lower incidence than 10%---it's more like 3-4%. That's one of the major errors in the Kinsey study.

LoveInAction		2005-05-10 09:37:23 AM

I think it's pretty hard to argue against the "hard-wired" viewpoint.

"The heart wants what it wants."

LoveInAction		2005-05-10 09:40:16 AM

Me, I prefer unusually robust extraterrestrial women... can't help it.

McRat		2005-05-10 09:41:11 AM

Oooh... It'll be nice to see the strawmen take another beating.

People who like the smell of men include:
1)Women
2)Gay men
3)Crotch sniffing dogs.

People who give a shiat about others bedroom behaviors:
1) busybodies
2) homophobes
3) trolls

The only sexual activity I care about is my own. Please let this die. Most sex is simply masturbation by wrapping a human being around a cock anyways.

kevin5lynn		2005-05-10 09:41:18 AM

barjockey

I think Steve French gets the credit for starting (...) strawman (...) attacks in threads like these.

I think Steve French was pointing out that being black (or, indeed, white) is NOT a choice, like homosexuality. So it wasn't really a strawman argument.

pantropik

It's textbook offensive.

I know, but you know what, let's keep fighting the good fight. We're winning.

Martin Luther King said (paraphrasing) "the arc of justice is long and hard, but it does bend inexorably towards justice"

pantropik		2005-05-10 09:42:12 AM

Effing A
Homosexuality is at a much lower incidence than 10%---it's more like 3-4%. That's one of the major errors in the Kinsey study.

Prove it, without referencing any of the many, many "studies" conducted by or affiliated with Paul Cameron or his cronies (since he's been thorougly discredited, throw out of the APA, and shown in a court of law to basically make stuff up as he goes along). Really, I'm curious to know where your numbers come from AND what makes them so gosh-darned correct ...

Almost all "studies" purporting to show how evil teh gay is come from the same sad, hateful little man.

barjockey		2005-05-10 09:42:20 AM

I like men. I like kissing men. I like having sex with men. (And, yes, sweaty man pheremones do turn me on.)

EEEWWWWWWWW.

Kangaroo_Ralph		2005-05-10 09:42:51 AM

They should have indicated the test was only done on homosexuals who are that way because of a birth defect, rather than the other homosexuals who are that way because of a mental disorder.

smeegle		2005-05-10 09:46:18 AM

barjockey: EEEWWWWWWWW.

That (picture) was rather insulting.

kevin5lynn		2005-05-10 09:46:22 AM

Kangaroo_Ralph

You're a dick.

HappyDaddy		2005-05-10 09:46:22 AM

El_Camino_SS:

All of you "choice" people are bigots.

I don't know whether being homosexual is chosen or not. But, your position is way too simplistic. Throughout all of recorded human history it has been the general position of societies to disapprove of homosexual behavior. That is true regardless of the dominant religion or other moral drivers. (Spare me the outliers - they are the exceptions that prove the rule). "Bigotry" is insufficient to explain it.

I sometimes wonder whether whether an innate distaste for homosexuality by heterosexuals isn't just as likely as an innate homosexual proclivity. There are certainly biological imperatives (maintenance of the species) that would suggest it. So, maybe we end up with two competing biological impulses. Determining how we resolve them is the tricky part. It is an issue that we have dealt with for thousands of years. Facile absolutes aren't likely to help.

smeegle		2005-05-10 09:47:48 AM

Kangaroo_Ralph:

They should have indicated the test was only done on homosexuals who are that way because of a birth defect, rather than the other homosexuals who are that way because of a mental disorder.

Why don't you just hippity-hop your bigoted self on out of here troll.

pantropik		2005-05-10 09:48:57 AM

barjockey
EEEWWWWWWWW.

Here's the deal. Let's say, just for fun, that I really, really -- and I mean REALLY -- hate onions. Loathe them. Would rather chew on an old sock of questionable cleanliness than eat an onion. Would just not eat one EVAR. Period. Not even the tiniest little microscopic nibble.

Let's just say I felt that way, okay? Do you think it'd be normal and/or appropriate for me confront people who eat onions and yell "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW!" at them? To shove silly, offensive anti-onion pictures in their faces?

No? What's that? It'd be weird and creepy if I did that? Yeah, I thought so, too.

soia		2005-05-10 09:49:19 AM

Im surprised they havent invented an anti gay pill yet.

LoveInAction		2005-05-10 09:50:12 AM

barjockey:

I like men. I like kissing men. I like having sex with men. (And, yes, sweaty man pheremones do turn me on.)

EEEWWWWWWWW.

Reminds me of when I went to see De-Lovely... the audience was not a bunch of hayseeds, obviously... mostly middle-aged folks who enjoyed Cole Porter music... but there was a palpable gasp and revulsion at the big screen full-face press of Kevin Kline and that other fellow.

We straights are hard-wired too, it would seem.

kevin5lynn		2005-05-10 09:51:47 AM

HappyDaddy

I don't know whether being homosexual is chosen or not.

Reading the study we are discussing will help you in your quest for knowledge...

Throughout all of recorded human history it has been the general position of societies to disapprove of homosexual behavior.

Antiquity notwhitstanding, I guess.... but really, throughout history, human beings have been sexists and racists. That's no excuse. We're in the 21st century, we should know better.

I sometimes wonder whether whether an innate distaste for homosexuality by heterosexuals isn't just as likely as an innate homosexual proclivity.

I think it's more likely that it's natural to hate in a human being, and it's easier to hate something different.

There are certainly biological imperatives (maintenance of the species) that would suggest it.

If you want to argue that, you should cheer homosexualtiy, as it represents less competition for you!

barjockey		2005-05-10 09:51:49 AM

smeegle

If your sensibilities are that delicate, maybe Fark isn't the place for you. Besides I thought lesbians were tough!

LoveInAction		2005-05-10 09:53:32 AM

barjockey:

If your sensibilities are that delicate, maybe Fark isn't the place for you. Besides I thought lesbians were tough!

An elegant parry and counter-thrust... touche!

kevin5lynn		2005-05-10 09:54:37 AM

soia

Im surprised they havent invented an anti gay pill yet.

Or a gay pill for that matter!

Considering men have a higher sex drive than women, you would think all the men would want to turn gay and get it on all the time!

smeegle		2005-05-10 09:56:07 AM

barjockey:

If your sensibilities are that delicate, maybe Fark isn't the place for you. Besides I thought lesbians were tough!

I am tough, and I can be just as rude and insulting. Your little sterotype picture is quaint but we all don't look the same. Your rude insulting pictures tell me you have to behave that way because your neanderthal sensibilities dont permit you to articulate intelligently.

whatchamecalit		2005-05-10 09:56:35 AM

vince makes coffee
going back up near the top, but that's the first pic of guys kissing that i've ever found hot. go you.
so middleoftheday you aren't alone ;b

and i agree that sexuality is a spectrum. I think also that while there is basic hardwiring which makes one gay or straight, the facts that they grow up with (the nurture) i guess play a role too...more in their acceptance and personality i guess than the sexuality itself. you can't choose who you are attracted to. A straight guy might be attracted to one woman over another. bi's just have one less criteria for attractivness (is that a word?).

ok enough babbling. suffice to say that i've never understood why the religious nuts i grew up with had a problem with two people who love each other. isn't that what christianity is all about? love?

smeegle		2005-05-10 09:58:30 AM

LoveInAction: An elegant parry and counter-thrust... touche!

Shut-up
See it's easy to be rude.

barjockey		2005-05-10 09:58:46 AM

pantropik

I'm sorry you feel that persecuted by an obviously hilarious picture. Your onion analogy is not accurate because I do not hate or loathe gays. I'm just intrigued by their preference of hairy sweat soaked asses over the fair and delicate curves of a woman. I have gay friends who wouldn't be the same if they weren't gay. I care for them as friends, but I don't understand their preferences. If you think that I am a bigot or homophobe - you're way off. Maybe I just kid more than the next guy because I'm comfortable doing so. For the record, I don't want gays banned or shot, and I want everyone to do what they want with consenting adults in their own homes. I just also want to be able to voice my opinion, and ask why people would prefer such a thing. Got it?

LoveInAction		2005-05-10 10:00:03 AM

smeegle:

I am tough, and I can be just as rude and insulting. Your little sterotype picture is quaint but we all don't look the same. Your rude insulting pictures tell me you have to behave that way because your neanderthal sensibilities dont permit you to articulate intelligently.

Neanderthal? Not cool, man... NOT cool!

HappyDaddy		2005-05-10 10:01:03 AM

kevin5lynn:

as it represents less competition for you!

I have no competition.

LoveInAction		2005-05-10 10:01:22 AM

smeegle:

LoveInAction: An elegant parry and counter-thrust... touche!

Shut-up
See it's easy to be rude.

Oh, that's okay... my back is broad enough to bear it... actually "shut up" is extremely mild.

Lighten up, Frances.

Clavis		2005-05-10 10:02:21 AM

If I had to choose between being surrounded by gay guys, and being surrounded by redneck white-trash Bible-thumpers... no contest.

But which are these?

matrix29		2005-05-10 10:02:53 AM

Penny_Ante:

2005-05-10 03:54:56 AM Penny_Ante

Cerebus was some good reading. I hear the creator is a nutbar though.

Since when is worthwhile genius ever the result of living a boring normal life thinking boring normal thoughts.

Quoth the Tick's creator... "Sanity is a one-trick pony, but when you're good and crazy the sky's the limit!"

A person has to be creative and experienced and wise to produce true greatness. Mundane greatness can be reached by brute experimentation and that consumes time, resources, and manpower.

Do you honestly expect wonderous wisdom and insight from a non-productive lardass that devours potato chips by the bag which watching soap operas? Great works have to be shared or it perishes as the person perishes.

smeegle		2005-05-10 10:03:02 AM

LoveInAction: Lighten up, Frances.

Yes I am sensitive but the constant barrage from society tends to put us on the defensive.

ipsiad		2005-05-10 10:03:08 AM

Effing A:

Homosexuality is at a much lower incidence than 10%---it's more like 3-4%. That's one of the major errors in the Kinsey study.

Why do people think that this number matters?

HappyDaddy:

Throughout all of recorded human history it has been the general position of societies to disapprove of homosexual behavior. That is true regardless of the dominant religion or other moral drivers. (Spare me the outliers - they are the exceptions that prove the rule).

"All of recorded human history?" I don't know, it seems split about 50/50 to me. I've got two pretty damn major "outliers" for you: the Greeks and the Romans.

LoveInAction		2005-05-10 10:04:20 AM

Clavis:

If I had to choose between being surrounded by gay guys, and being surrounded by redneck white-trash Bible-thumpers... no contest.

Because all gay guys look like what's-his-name in Will & Grace, right?

You point is immaterial, because even the most rabid hetero could find pictures of repulsive members of the opposite sex that he/she wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole (or an 8 foot Hungarian, for that matter!)

LoveInAction		2005-05-10 10:06:33 AM

smeegle:

Yes I am sensitive but the constant barrage from society tends to put us on the defensive.

Well, no one should be constantly put-upon... life is hard enough.

If ever I get my hands on this "society" fella everybody talks about, I'll pummel him for you.

foxboxchic		2005-05-10 10:07:18 AM

technicolor-misfit

As for the girl in the bar, she was annoying me well before that. Which is why I was snippy with her. She was a typical "I watch Sex & the City all the time and I wanna be just like them." I like my girls intelligent, able to get attention because of a good personality... not just because they can jump on some lame-ass Girls Gone Wild attention-whoring bandwagon. You know? Big accomplishment, woohoo, you made out with someone... How novel.

And flirty is great, but only when there's genuine interest... not when it's just because some girl has a need to constantly be in the spotlight or convince herself that every guy she meets wants her. I just don't have any desire to play into that game.

Could you please move to Houston? Please?
I have to laugh at the girls who do that, and I can't imagine if one of my friends tried that on me or vice versa. It would be WTF? I usually go to the bars with my sister and she had to stop me from smacking some moron who asked us for that in exchange for a drink. First of we're sisters, second, I'm not into girls, and last but definately not least, I have my own damn money and can get my own drink, thank you very much.

smeegle		2005-05-10 10:08:35 AM

barjockey:

If your sensibilities are that delicate, maybe Fark isn't the place for you. Besides I thought lesbians were tough!

Your picture just irritated me cuz some guys seem to think that if you are a lesbian than you must not have any femenine qualities. So I am sorry if I came off mean, but darn it, it's just annoying. Everytime this subject comes up, someone always posts a stereotype picture.

Captain Irreverence		2005-05-10 10:08:57 AM

smeegle (to barjockey): That (picture) was rather insulting.

Godwin's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

Fark.com Corollary: As a Fark discussion grows longer, the probability of someone calling barjockey a cock approaches one.

LoveInAction		2005-05-10 10:09:41 AM

smeegle: Everytime this subject comes up, someone always posts a stereotype picture.

That's only because, well, this is Fark... and the monotype pictures don't have as much depth.

kevin5lynn		2005-05-10 10:10:01 AM

ipsiad

Why do people think that this number matters?

The higher it is, the harder it is to ignore.

smeegle		2005-05-10 10:16:05 AM

LoveInAction:
If ever I get my hands on this "society" fella everybody talks about, I'll pummel him for you.

Oh would you cuz I've got a list for you to start on. At the very top would be Fred Phelps who showed up at a close friends funeral with his god hates fags signs.:(
Then lets see; Sen Frist.
The people over at Family First
Pat Robertson
Gerry Fallwell
Ann Coulter
Jesse Helms
et etc etc
:)

DizziD		2005-05-10 10:17:59 AM

Im surprised they havent invented an anti gay pill yet.

You might just as well kill me as try to give me a pill that would make me stop loving my partner. I waited my whole life to find someone this cool, who makes me this happy. Even the thought of having that love "switched off" is horrifying.

Hate to break it to ya, but it ain't all about the sex, folks. The "MTV spring break" version of being gay that everyone sees is just about as realistic a portrayal as... well... as MTV's spring break is of the average straight person's life :)

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