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mkfreeberg		2005-05-09 12:08:43 AM

2005-05-08 11:45:46 PM BatManuel: If evidence comes out that Bush knew that Iraq had no WMD's prior to the war, then I'll care. But now, not so much.

Ditto.

I'm so happy to be living in a time when bad guys are just plain bad, and get taken down. None of this B.S. about "ooh, we know he's bad but we don't have enough evidence to do anything at this particular point in time."

/All you "It's called due process, how would you like to be falsely accused" liberals: STUFF IT. He's freakin' Saddam Hussein...hello...

bbcrackmonkey		2005-05-09 12:09:40 AM

BearToy: it looks like Bin Laden was hired to do the job

HAHAHAHA! Yeah he's living the high life in caves right now with a 25 million dollar bounty on his head.

No doubt Bin Laden is a freelance mercenary for hire, not some kind of Islamic idealist.

Actually, on the first video, he expressed surprise because he only thought that the buildings would collapse above the impact point. He failed to take into calculation that when they did collapse above the impact point that they would collapse onto the floors below the impact point and thus destroy the entire buildings.

It very much appalls me to know that an educated man like yourself believes such tripe.

If you want to know the real reason Bin Laden has been going after us for the past decade, you should have done some more research on him. He had what could be called a nervous breakdown after the first Gulf War because American troops were chosen to defend Saudi Arabia instead of his Afghani Mujahadeen. He had been exiled from his homeland and he had been preaching for some time that Saddam was a badguy who was going to attack Saudi Arabia, and his government got pissed off about it. He was finally proven right when Saddam invaded Kuwait and saw his chance at redemption (being previously deported) to save his country with his pure Islamic mujahids. Instead the government of Saudi Arabia chose infidel American troops, dashing all his hopes and dreams of glory. This act, more than anything, is what set him in motion.

robolobo		2005-05-09 12:09:47 AM

Angel of Death

And Bush sure learned from Clinton's mistakes. After all, al-Qaeda is no longer a threat, Osama bin Laden is in custody, and the world is a safer place.

Oh, wait, the war on terror is a total failure and is no longer being fought because we're stuck in Iraq. I almost forgot!

Well, at least Osama and Al-Qaeda know they have a fight on their hands and that the US will follow up its talk with bullets this time.

I don't see where you get that the war on terror is no longer being fought. What's your evidence?

xebeche_tzu		2005-05-09 12:10:42 AM

Even if the US is lying to us all about 9/11, the Pentagon crash, and WTC7, I just don't care. I'm sure they have a good reason, and that's good enough for me. God bless America and long live freedom!

devil sheep		2005-05-09 12:10:43 AM

neo cons still control the capital soo..

Angel of Death		2005-05-09 12:10:56 AM

mkfreeberg: I'm so happy to be living in a time when bad guys are just plain bad, and get taken down.

Are you also happy to be living in a time when Saddam Hussein is a priority over Osama bin Laden and Kim Jong-Il?

I know what you mean, though. Due process is for sissies! Same goes for the rest of that damn Constitution!

GeorgeCostanza		2005-05-09 12:12:15 AM

mkfreeberg:

I'm so happy to be living in a time when bad guys are just plain bad, and get taken down. None of this B.S. about "ooh, we know he's bad but we don't have enough evidence to do anything at this particular point in time.

If we see all "bad guys" as equally bad, we waste all our time fighting countries that are harmless and overlook the real threats.

robolobo		2005-05-09 12:12:30 AM

BearToy

Crazy? I wish it was so easily discountable. Read some of the physics. I thought the paper by the Computer Scientist and Aerospace engineer about Flight 77's missing wings was pretty complete and far from 'crazy'.

From http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

Can you explain what happened to the wings of the aircraft and why they caused no damage?

As the front of the Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, the outer portions of the wings likely snapped during the initial impact, then were pushed inward towards the fuselage and carried into the building's interior; the inner portions of the wings probably penetrated the Pentagon walls with the rest of the plane. Any sizable portions of the wings were destroyed in the explosion or the subsequent fire. Nonetheless, damage to the building caused by the plane's wings is plainly visible in photographs, such as the one below (note the blackened sections on both sides of the impact site)

Bgdojo		2005-05-09 12:12:33 AM

You've got lots of very disenfranchised people and they're told the US is to blame for all their problems. They're told this so they don't go after who really is to blame.

/propoganda

getitsnow		2005-05-09 12:13:10 AM

Hamsa9 Great magic the gathering fourm cards! I saved those!

Going back to the thread now: I hope nothing worse comes for this country between now and the end of this current Presidential term. It's all ready bad as it is and Cheney would make it worse. Punish him after the term is up. He should be easier to convict while not serving as President anyways.

Angel of Death		2005-05-09 12:13:27 AM

robolobo: Well, at least Osama and Al-Qaeda know they have a fight on their hands and that the US will follow up its talk with bullets this time.

Now this truly made me laugh, much as I imagine that Osama bin Laden currently laughs at us. IT'S COMING UP ON FOUR YEARS, and we have no Osama. al-Qaeda has no fight on its hands because we're stuck in Iraq. They know it, and we pretend to ourselves that it isn't true (because the President tells us so...).

I don't see where you get that the war on terror is no longer being fought. What's your evidence?

How are things coming in Afghanistan?

bbcrackmonkey		2005-05-09 12:13:29 AM

The Ham Of Truth: And these are not the 'droids you're looking for.

Apparently not because there is no pipeline in Afghanistan.

It has just recently been declared feasible by the Asian Development Bank, but it is not even built yet and there are major concerns about gas reserves in Turkmenistan and about security in Afghanistan.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-04/14/content_2831455.htm

orrinbloquy		2005-05-09 12:14:19 AM

Conyers is trying to impeach Bush because he can't impeach PNAC.

BearToy, the Pentagon flash thingy is counterintel put out to make anyone who asks questions about 9/11 look like loonies. It was a plane. Not a missile, not a giant dinosaur. A plane is a thin metal skin stretched across a frame; when it hits a target the wings shear off long before they could make wing-shaped holes. This is documented in film footage of crash tests.

OTOH the accounts of explosions at the base of WTC are more worthy of investigation. I still don't buy that two skyscrapers hit by planes are guaranteed to collapse straight down. There's precedent for buildings in this class to fall over, not down. There's also footage of smoke/dust at the first building's base coinciding with impact which makes no sense whatsoever. Or the collapse of Building 7 coming neatly after Giuliani & Co. left it while the buildings' owner tells FDNY over the phone "Pull it."

These collapses occurred within 72 hours of all the buildings having their electricity cut off (disabling all security and recording devices) for "maintenance" while men went in and out and we have no record of what was put there.

And while the left loves to depict President "My Pet Goat" as being terrified for 7 minutes, I think it's fair to say he looks more like he's waiting.

Hang them all. Congress included.

pvd021		2005-05-09 12:14:33 AM

Most Americans are idiots to this Fact...

We BETRAYED Saddam HUSSEIN..
So he DECLARES Eternal war and HATRED TOWARDS US

Why?

We sold weapons to him and his countrymen, WHILE at the SAME TIME, selling weapons to his enemies.

WHY?

So we can make a little more cash.

So can you blame the guy for hating America?

//Like selling viagra pills to your friends
//Only to know he's using it to do your wife.

sombreradoraloca		2005-05-09 12:15:10 AM

Can I move to have this thread bumped up to the next day's group of articles?

Bush the Fat ConTROLLER		2005-05-09 12:15:15 AM

I love Monica Bellucci

Mayhem_King		2005-05-09 12:15:40 AM

2005-05-08 11:31:31 PM consdubya

Mayhem_King:

2005-05-08 11:26:08 PM Mayhem_King

And this is news or shocking...why? I thought that this was already commonly known and accepted.

Not by the moronic mainstream.

We needed Iraq. We needed to be able to land an army in the Middle East. We are now positioned between Iran and Syria. We couldn't have landed our armed forces in Saudi Arabia again without stirring up a shiat storm. The Saudis still haven't recovered from our last "visit". Our allies now have increased security in the region. We have an incredibly important base of operations. The Iraqis now have a state of their own. The only people who seem to have a problem with this are the Baathists, Syrians, and the Iranians.

And anyone with morals and problems with stealing and illegal conduct.

We needed Iraq just like we needed Japan and West Germany.

You mean like Germany needed Poland and the rest of eastern europe as lebensraum and a buffer from communism?

/Godwined
//Dont believe that this means I lose anything
///Very valid comparison

You believe that comparing Hitler invading Poland and the rest of Europe to the U.S. invading Iraq is a valid comparison? The U.S. invading Iraq was a win-win for everyone. The Nazis invading the rest of Europe was a lose-lose. One started World War II, the other may prevent World War III.

That's about as far as I am willing to get sucked into an argument about the above comparison. Your post demonstrates a distinct lack of understanding of how the world works in order to ensure the survival of the human race in a post-nuclear era.

Bush is incidental if not coincidental to our foreign policy. Plus Hitler was a way bigger asshole than Bush ever will be.

cargrrl82		2005-05-09 12:16:52 AM

Angel of Death

So we just let the Saudis go hungry because we can't be bothered and it won't help? Ah ok. And there's a nice way to do it too. It's mandated that every Moslem read the Koran for themselves, which means you can't claim to have Islamic rule and then allow a quarter of your nation to be illiterate. Also the Koran says a lot about charity and taking care of the hungry, sick, and those with no place to live. Trust me the last thing the al-Saud family wants is a public reminder of what the Koran says that they've been ignoring. Oh the Koran also mandates equal education for girls and boys, take that up with the al-Sauds and see how fast they try to change the subject. Well all but Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, who barely spends any time in Saudi Arabia, and is the blacksheep of the family, to which he barely ever speaks. He'd be a good king for Arabia should we decide to switch leaders, though I highly doubt he has any interest in the job.

aginghipster		2005-05-09 12:17:10 AM

cargrrl82:

On the issue of the economy, what drives it is spending. If people don't spend it don't grow. And the few things gumming up the works these days aren't anyting the President has control over.

Okay... so let me get this straight. You're going to bust out actual Keynsian theory as if you're fresh out of a macro course, but you're not going to realize that discretionary fiscal policy can and has been used to shift AgD. Did you sleep through that day of the lecture?

Let's say the President submits a budget to Congress (as he does every year.) This budget signifies the "G" in the basic economic "Y=C+I+G+(X-M)" formula for GDP. If, let's say, a fiscally responsible president were to submit a bill cutting G, and Congress, when passing their tax legislation (that whole "lay and collect taxes" bit in the Constitution that happens every year) were to pass the President's budget, and then the President signed it into law, unless there was a tax cut in that bill as well, the economy of the nation would shrink because G would shrink, and C wouldn't increase. A tax cut enacted into law would increase C, and may or may not cancel out the effects of the decrease in G. Follow?

The point is that a sitting POTUS has a great deal of influence on the US Economy. Any questions?

robolobo		2005-05-09 12:17:49 AM

Angel of Death

Now this truly made me laugh, much as I imagine that Osama bin Laden currently laughs at us. IT'S COMING UP ON FOUR YEARS, and we have no Osama. al-Qaeda has no fight on its hands because we're stuck in Iraq. They know it, and we pretend to ourselves that it isn't true (because the President tells us so...).

Actually, I thinking of the photographs of captured al-Qaeda members.

How are things coming in Afghanistan?

Fairly well, actually. There was a good article in the WSJ about how well Afghanistan is progressing. You should like it because they point out it is the lack of micromanagement from Washington that is resposible. Also, it includes interviews with Afgan citizens who seem much more satisfied than when the Taliban was in power.

Mayhem_King		2005-05-09 12:17:57 AM

Every minute I spend on Fark is a minute I have no chance of getting laid...I'm off to play Splinter Cell.

sandreckoner		2005-05-09 12:18:03 AM

Number of Americans that can't tell the difference between an Iraqi rebel fighter and an Afghani terrorist?

Ah yes, the appearance of the "noble rebel" in Iraq. You've really been paying attention to who most of these assholes are, haven't you?

As for the lack of "international" coverage in many American newspapers: a) the internet says hi and b) is it better to have paltry international coverage in your newspapers, or is it better to have _lots_ of international coverage in your paper, much of it about one country and its actions, and much of it being misleading, openly biased and outright wrong? Yes, I've seen "your" newspapers and their international coverage, and I wouldn't be bragging too much. In the end the readers are still woefully misinformed.

Congradulations, you've just graduated from the Rush Limbaugh Institure for Conservative Studies

Jesus. Pot, meet kettle. The amount of closed-minded stupidity and blind bashing of anything that America has done in the last several years in these threads is really just farking mind-boggling. There's a truth, and it's not quite what the Bushies have presented, but so many people - like this one - take that and run straight over a cliff with it.

Cripes, we even have people in this thread who think there may not have been a plane that hit the Pentagon.

cargrrl82		2005-05-09 12:18:19 AM

pvd021

Umm Iran Contra didn't much have to do with Saddam's interests. Especially seeing as Iran was getting a lot more funding from the Soviets.

sentient_being		2005-05-09 12:18:24 AM

Snake939

Was there an effort to create an ultimatum about weapons inspectors in order to help with the justification for the war as the minutes indicate? - Did you want sites to be searched to NOT have forewarning?

Get real Snake. Like you don't damn well know what they're getting at here? Your response here doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Neither does any other one.

BearToy		2005-05-09 12:19:42 AM

robolobo:

A bunch of people that have never seen an aircraft accident comment that an accident were the plane was rammed into the ground at full speed doesn't look like normal accidents where the pilot is actually trying not to crash.

Okay, no you didn't watch it. It was far more than just a bunch of people talking about what they saw. I completely ignored that section since eye-witness accounts have been shown to be unreliable over and over again.

Here are some of the facts that you missed:

The lawn in front of the entry point was absolutely pristene. When aircraft hit the ground there is usally a lot of scarring of the ground and debris everywhere.

The object that struck the Pentagon made a 270 degree descending turn to avoid Donald Rumsfeld's office and hit the segment of the building that had recently been re-inforced and had the least occupancy.

If you are a pilot, then you might understand the extreme difficulty of flying a 757 at 530mph 5 feet off the ground without hitting much of anything.

Again, a pilot would be especially keen to notice on frame three of the official Pentagon video release that the object coming towards the building leaves a white trail. Jet engines do not do that at that altitude.

Since you didn't like the video try the other link to some professionals working through the physics of the events of 9/11. Many people with more comprehensive degrees than mine have pointed out that it is problematic that the WTC towers were pulverized into dust and then came straight down in a free-fall as if all internal structural integrity failed at the same time. There were 47 massive steel beams in the middle of the Trade Center towers. Even if the floor pancaking event was possible, it should have left a Devil's Tower sort of spindle of steel sticking up. What shouldn't have happened is that these supports somehow snapped into 30 foot sections that were then rapidly loaded onto trucks and shipped out of the country for recycling before an investigation could be completed.

xebeche_tzu		2005-05-09 12:21:26 AM

robolobo

The CIA has been after Osama for a lot longer than 4 years.

Sigh. Where do you crackmonkeys get your unlimited supply of idiocy and misinformation? He was in an American hospital in Dubai getting kidney treatment in July of 2001. In September we escorted his family members out Virginia on private planes. Oh yeah, the CIA is really out to get him. Go back to sleep, pinhead.

Snake939		2005-05-09 12:21:53 AM

sentient_being

Please be more specific. If you don't detail what you're trying to shoot down about my replies, I have no way of replying in kind.

What is it that "they're getting at here?"

Your response here doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Neither does any other one.

Take a look in the proverbial mirror please. Accordion purple telephone.

cargrrl82		2005-05-09 12:22:34 AM

aginghipster

Remind me again what goods and services the government produces that are for sale on the open market to both individual and business consumers? All the government can do is take money out of the public sector and use it in the private sector. Won't fix unemployment or a lack of demand though.

bbcrackmonkey		2005-05-09 12:22:49 AM

BearToy, the plane that hit the Pentagon was not even supposed to be flown into the Pentagon. That was just a stroke of pure luck on their part. It was actually aimed at the Whitehouse and overshot its course.

GeorgeCostanza		2005-05-09 12:22:51 AM

Mayhem_King: The U.S. invading Iraq was a win-win for everyone.

Are you kidding me? How does this benefit the US at all? Iraq was no threat before, so defeating saddam doesn't help us. What it did do was waste hunreds of billions of dollars and tie up American forces that could be used to protect the US from real threats. It also inspired even more Arab extremists to hate us. The only thing we gain is the possibility of a pro-US government there, and we don't even know if that will work out. It was definitely not a "win" for the US. It was a waste, and probably will end up being counterproductive in the fight against terrorism.

BearToy		2005-05-09 12:23:13 AM

aginghipster: he who is so quick to whine about liters "ruining threads" via threadjack

You obviously have me confused with someone else. The only time I would use the term "liters" is to ridicule the Fark $5 elite.

cargrrl82		2005-05-09 12:24:20 AM

xebeche_tzu

You're forgetting when some Sudanese told us where he was and we said, in effect "Why should we care?" and then refused to accept intelligence info from those same Sudanese. This was back in 98, so alas you can't hang it on Bush. Though you can hang it on a rich tradition of boneheaded foreign policy.

vegasj		2005-05-09 12:25:19 AM

meeting of summer 2002....

Bush- "hey... you want to invade Iraq ?"

Blair- "I'm not sure mate... can we ?"

Bush- "well... lookie here... it's some 'Liberation of Iraq Act' signed by 'ol Billy boy Clinton"

Blair- "Cheerio! there we have it!"

Bush- "sweet... I'll gather some troops"

Oldiron_79		2005-05-09 12:25:25 AM

This one is like the Special olympics.....

HowlingFrog		2005-05-09 12:26:37 AM

Fark the war in Iraq, what about justifying totalitarian legislature and providing the lube for the corporations that are really running America?

9/11 was an Inside Job.
It's not a tinfoil hat thing, and nobody will convince me that we never landed on the moon, or that the Holocaust was a myth created by teh 3v1l j00z. Go ahead and suck down those "OBL Confession Videos", and ignore the fact that the first one isn't discussed anymore, on account that the guy doesn't even look like him, or the second one, released ust before the election, which shows a better stunt-double (except for the bone structure, and the fact that his watch was on the wrong wrist).
Ignore all that, because people will point their finger and laugh at you if you don't.
Don't ask why these films were even made.
Take your Blue Pill and go back to sleep, Bill Hicks was just a comedian.

Ignore the fact that FOIA requests for the confiscated Pentagon films that would have captured "flight 77" hitting the Pentagon have ALL met with a "Sorry, National Security" response. Public and documented. Forget the molten steel at the base of WTC1, 2 and 7, as noted by the president and CEO of Controlled Demlitions Incorporated, Mark L (can't remember how to spell his last name), who wrote the entire cleanup plan for the WTC complex.

You're being had, America. Wake the fark up.

cargrrl82		2005-05-09 12:27:08 AM

Angel of Death

Al-Qaeda isn't a military operation, so there's no fight to have. And ever heard of Carlos the Jackal? Check how long it took to catch him. All the manpower in the world doesn't mean there's no place to hide. And in some ways, it's advantageous to have people think we're not going after them. Because then they let their gaurd down.

consdubya		2005-05-09 12:27:08 AM

Mayhem_King:

You believe that comparing Hitler invading Poland and the rest of Europe to the U.S. invading Iraq is a valid comparison? The U.S. invading Iraq was a win-win for everyone. The Nazis invading the rest of Europe was a lose-lose. One started World War II, the other may prevent World War III.

This could still lead to WW3, so I think you might be a bit quick to claim that it will prevent WW3. If the US uses the same logic and reasoning applied to other oil rich dictatorships, it will mean that Iran will be next. If that is so, Russia and China may feel a bit more emotional about it, whereas they didnt give a rats ass about Saddam. If anything, unilateral actions that involve invading resource rich countries makes WW3 more possible, not less.

That's about as far as I am willing to get sucked into an argument about the above comparison. Your post demonstrates a distinct lack of understanding of how the world works in order to ensure the survival of the human race in a post-nuclear era.

Post nuclear era? My lack of understanding? As far as I knew there are still nukes around, and more being developed, and more probability of them being used. Please inform me if this is not the case.

Bush is incidental if not coincidental to our foreign policy. Plus Hitler was a way bigger asshole than Bush ever will be.

I agree that Bush probably does not compare to Hitler in actual evil. That does not mean that there are not worrying similarities between national socialism german style, and present day America.

aginghipster		2005-05-09 12:28:34 AM

BearToy:

You obviously have me confused with someone else. The only time I would use the term "liters" is to ridicule the Fark $5 elite.

It was in reference to an earlier thread where we were going on about censorship by the Fark overlords and you chimed in that we'd ruined the thread. Since my post in this thread, you've done an excellent and highly readable job in inserting substance into the debate. Don't misunderstand me - I like you and enjoy reading your comments here.

I've read all the stuff about 9/11 that I can get my hands on, but yet I refuse to even utter a dissenting opinion on the "official" take on the subject to anyone short of my wife for fear of being viewed as a crackpot or, worse, targeted by the Patriot Act.

FloridaBass		2005-05-09 12:28:53 AM

Good, I'm glad someone in the White House has the intellect to come up with a good story in order to oust Saddam. If Clinton has slept with enough interns, he would have fired a slew of missles and done the man in. Either way, this country is better off now than before. You are reading this and biatchin because someone had the balls to do the RIGHT thing. If not, we'd all be wearing long beards and bowing to the East seven times a day. Which is better. Go Bush!!!

BearToy		2005-05-09 12:29:30 AM

robolobo: The CIA has been after Osama for a lot longer than 4 years.

You think I'm dense and you actually believe that if all of the resources of the CIA were brought to bear on one cave dwelling Arab that we wouldn't have been able to nab him in the last four years? Wake up. The official stories here are much more fanciful than even the most fringe conspiracy fantasies. We haven't caught Bin Laden because we don't want to.

bbcrackmonkey		2005-05-09 12:29:49 AM

You know I'd never heard the conspiracy theory that Bin Laden was treated at a US hospital in Dubai before xebeche_tzu brought it up. I googled it in and the only source for such an occurance is a French rag called Le Figaro, citing a bunch of unnamed sources and using a bunch of other conspiracy theories in the same story, about how Bin Laden gives the CIA advance warning of attacks.

The hospital and the head of Dubai's urology department, when asked by actual reporters, all denied it.

GavoDotCom		2005-05-09 12:30:01 AM

Sudan offered bin Laden to Saudi Arabia

But why let fact get in the way of a good story, eh, cargrrl82?

elevated420		2005-05-09 12:30:34 AM

I, elevated420, would like to be the first person to coin the term "corporate despotism," defining the current state of my country.

NeedleGuy		2005-05-09 12:30:41 AM

BearToy: We haven't caught Bin Laden because we don't want to.

then why did we catch saddam?

/not trying to argue... just wondering...

irwhiteboi		2005-05-09 12:31:17 AM

orrinbloquy

Which further backs up my claims that Israeli was involved in 9/11.

BBC Letter by Former Prime Minister, how the heck did he prepare it that quick?

What the hell where these 5 Mossad Agents doing? And Why did they quietly get released?

Guess who owned all the security at the airports? I mean how the hell do 16 terrorists with weapons get through different airports? And what about that Message sent to an Israeli company a few hours before 9/11 warning of an Attack?

Who Benefited?

Man o man, I love conspiracy theories, they are like novels to me =) (I don't actually believe most of them, but some of them do deserve a little credence like this one)

xebeche_tzu		2005-05-09 12:31:54 AM

America is such a big badass that its military can invade your nation and fail to find one person.

And its citizenry is so smart that it can be fooled into thinking a pristine lawn just had an 80 ton jumbo jet crash on it.

The MKUltra worked!

cargrrl82		2005-05-09 12:31:57 AM

HowlingFrog

And some of us understand engineering so the conspiracy stuff is immediately laughable. Also there's Osama's track record, and the fact his own family thinks he's batshiat nuts and many members have basically disowned him. He doesn't even have a valid citizenship in any nation currently, Saudi's stripped him that. Crazy people, and Osama qualifies, can do horrific things given time and money, and he has or had at least plenty of money.

GavoDotCom		2005-05-09 12:32:21 AM

You're right irwhiteboi

The jews did it.

Signed,

Josef Goebbels.

AndreMA		2005-05-09 12:32:43 AM

irwhiteboi

But, if any of the conspiracy theories are correct...

The question isn't "if any..." it's "which of the several..."

The official 9/11 Commission conclusion is a "conspiracy theory" as well - that bin Laden and his organization conspired with a number of suicide hijackers to launch an attack.

I was disappointed that they didn't explore some questions that trouble me, such as:

-- Why, with an unknown number of hijacked planes in the air after the second WTC hit, didn't the Secret Service yank Bush away from his publicly known location and spirit him away to safety?

-- What investigation, if any, was done of the widely reported unusally heavy shorting of UA and UAL stocks in the period immediately prior to 9/11

-- Why did Bush initially so vigorously oppose the formation of the Kean Commission?

-- Why did the F-16's scrambled out of Hanscom AFB and capable of over mach 1.5 limit themselves (it seems) to about 500MPH?

Sadly, the only place these questions seem to be discussed are on "fringe" sites, but that doesn't make the questions any less important... or the lack of clear answers any less troubling.

/doesn't subscribe to any particular theory
//wishes he had the information necessary to so so

irwhiteboi		2005-05-09 12:32:59 AM

Ahh crap, 2 of the links didn't make it, here they are

What the hell where these 5 Mossad Agents doing? And Why did they quietly get released?

Guess who owned all the security at the airports? I mean how the hell do 16 terrorists with weapons get through different airports? And what about that Message sent to an Israeli company a few hours before 9/11 warning of an Attack?

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