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(Rawstory)   88 members of congress want to know about a "secret meeting between Britain and America about 'creating' conditions to justify war in Iraq." Fark & the MSM surrender   (rawstory.com) divider line 657
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2005-05-08 11:34:15 PM  
BearToy

I watched the pentagon thingy. Too much techno for my tastes, but it essentially went like this:

A bunch of people that have never seen an aircraft accident comment that an accident were the plane was rammed into the ground at full speed doesn't look like normal accidents where the pilot is actually trying not to crash.

It also lost believability with me when it claimed a smaller plane hit the pentagon yet it showed a picture with much more smoke that could ever come from a small plane (yes, I am a pilot).

If there had been facts from people who knew something about airplanes, construction, or accident investigations, I wouldn't have thought them so funny.

LOL, the music also made it seem unprofessional. Was this someones web programming assignment?
 
2005-05-08 11:34:21 PM  
STRYPERSWINE You are a complete moran. The world is NOT safer because of America's invasion of Iraq. Quite the opposite, in point of fact. Terrorism attacks have gone UP, you idiot.
 
2005-05-08 11:34:30 PM  
thewastedsmile here is nndb profile of him http://www.nndb.com/people/150/000026072/
 
2005-05-08 11:34:37 PM  
If this goes very far I predict a tactical nuke being detonated in an American city.

I still can't believe some members of Congress might have put away their partisanship BS to actually do their jobs, represent The People, and move to defend and uphold the Constitution.

Damn. Carl Rove is probably up right now trying to find a way to sleaze out of this.
 
2005-05-08 11:34:44 PM  
Beartoy, you didn't actually study physics in school, did you? If you did, you sure didn't pay attention, because it's pretty obvious to most people that DID that a plane constructed of lightweight metal that is about 1/32" thickness (and some bulkheads that are probably about 1/4") is pretty much going to just disintegrate against thick concrete walls that are not only 24" inches thick, but also heavily reinforced.

I know, it's not as exciting as a conspiracy, but that's why people like them - they're more fun than the truth. Read up about why your links are stupid at Snopes.
 
2005-05-08 11:35:01 PM  
ikanreed: we've impeached 2 presidents, 1 supreme court justice, and a few members of congress.

Bzzzt. Congresspersons and senators are not impeached.
 
2005-05-08 11:35:33 PM  
THERE WERE WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUCTIONS YOU ASSHOLES, WE JUST HAVE NOT FOUND THEM YET.

WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DIED UNDER SADDAM. HE WAS BAD!
 
2005-05-08 11:35:46 PM  
Eighty-eight members of Congress democrats
 
2005-05-08 11:35:46 PM  
My position has always been that I don't care why Bush invaded Iraq, nor do I care about his various lackeys.

My position has always been that I believe in human rights, democracy, and removing genocidal dictators at the point of a gun. This is why I supported Clinton when he bombed Serbia. At the time people claimed that Clinton's bombing of Serbia was a political move to distract the public from a sex scandal. Maybe this was true, but he stopped an ongoing genocide in the process and a Democracy replaced a genocidal dictatorship as a consequence.

People say that Bush invaded Iraq in order to give sympathetic corporations some good deals on oil contracts. Maybe this is true, but a he removed a genocidal dictator and installed a democracy as a consequence, and that is what I care about.

If Bush tried to install some puppet dictator I would have been out in the streets with all the other anti-war protesters.
 
2005-05-08 11:36:31 PM  
LOL, John Conyers, there's an objective, fair statesman.
 
2005-05-08 11:36:41 PM  
Impeachment?

Bush could personally burn down a school on National TV and still have 51% of Americans support him. Just so long as he doesn't let the gays get married, he'll be seen as the 'moral' president.

Go Jesus!
 
2005-05-08 11:36:41 PM  
For all of you still howling over the "no-bid" Halliburton contract, you learn a few things:
Article regarding Halliburton and LOGCAP

And yes, the invasion of Iraq was on the table as long as Bush has been in office. It's apart of a foreign policy developed by Wolfowitz. Even with this knowledge, I supported the invasion whole heartedly. While the short-term payoff of having Saddam out of power is nice, the long term effect is a complete and absolute change of the dynamics in the middle-east. It'll take decades, but I foresee Iraq as a powerful democracy in a sea of dictatorships. Most liberals can't see around their seething hate for anything Bush to realize this.
 
2005-05-08 11:37:02 PM  
Here is a good link for those who have their doubts about the official version of 9/11, which helped land us in Iraq:

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg

(News articles from the MSM that contain inconsistencies and suspicious information.)

Don't bother flaming or ridiculing me with "tinfoil" taunts, I'm not sticking around to argue; it's pointless and I don't want the adrenalin right now.
 
2005-05-08 11:37:21 PM  
bbcrackmonkey: I mean, c'mon, Saddam was guilty of genocide

You do remember that Ronald Reagan (R-Naturally) turned a blind eye to Saddam Hussein's genocide because Saddam was his buddy back then, right?
 
2005-05-08 11:37:46 PM  
Bush masturbates horseys!
 
2005-05-08 11:37:54 PM  
I mean, c'mon, Saddam was guilty of genocide, so we nailed him on something minor that turned out to be untrue. We nailed Al Capone with tax evasion, even though we knew he was a mass murderer.
Yeah.. about that genocide stuff.. Turns out we kinda helped out with that. See, there was this one incident against the Kurds in Halabja, where 100,000 got gassed when he covered the village in poison gas. You know that gas? Yeah.. kind of ours. But see, Saddam was still in bed with Bush back then. Kind of a downer.
 
2005-05-08 11:38:48 PM  
bbcrackmonkey: My position has always been that I don't care why Bush invaded Iraq, nor do I care about his various lackeys.

Translation: The end justifies the means, and I am a stupid sheep willing to turn two blind eyes.


My position has always been that I believe in human rights, democracy, and removing genocidal dictators at the point of a gun.

So when can we expect your enthusiastic endorsements of invasions of North Korea, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, ... ?


People say that Bush invaded Iraq in order to give sympathetic corporations some good deals on oil contracts. Maybe this is true, but a he removed a genocidal dictator and installed a democracy as a consequence, and that is what I care about.

Splendid. Whether America is more or less safe is irrelevant. That's a good policy.
 
2005-05-08 11:38:54 PM  
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2005-05-08 11:39:29 PM  
uclajd

So to be a democrat, or even a Democrat, means you're not an elected member of Congress?

Any opposition makes the neo's quiver.

It is not that we're so mean, its just that the neo's are such sissies.
 
2005-05-08 11:39:58 PM  
This will get about as much traction as the one about the working gay hooker who had a Whitehouse day pass that lasted two years.
 
2005-05-08 11:40:03 PM  
You want to talk conspiracy?!?

How about the fact that this thread got the green light in a way which was timed to make it show up late in the day. Thus making sure that infinity would never be reached!
 
2005-05-08 11:40:16 PM  
Powerline already thoroughly debunked this "smoking gun" as much adieu about nothing. You can also read a hell of a lot more of the memo there than in this batty stub of a left-wing press release.
 
2005-05-08 11:40:57 PM  
JoeKnows

Yes Reagan did that, but that doesn't mean the US couldn't change his mind on the man as times change. Also at the same time in the 80's Iran was like Iraq turning officers who might have issues with the government into cannon fodder.
 
2005-05-08 11:42:08 PM  
Powerline? I'm sure Hindrocket would cover it with the same attention to fact as thier shocking expose' on Guckert/Gannon.
 
2005-05-08 11:42:21 PM  
cargrrl82: Yes Reagan did that, but that doesn't mean the US couldn't change his mind on the man as times change.

That's all well and good, but it instantly reveals the right's moral outrage at Saddam's conduct as 100% bullshiat. Genocide is only horrible when convenient for current policy? I don't think so.
 
2005-05-08 11:42:22 PM  
RoyBatty

your as bored as me a.

/my horse and 3 hands and a foot
 
2005-05-08 11:42:54 PM  
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This ought to be fun.
 
2005-05-08 11:43:01 PM  
When a republican talks about genocide, ask him about Sudan

Do it everytime. Pound the point.


It's pure hilarity
 
2005-05-08 11:43:03 PM  
RoyBatty: Bush masturbates horseys!

I heard about that on The Daily Show so it must be true.
 
2005-05-08 11:43:10 PM  
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88 people who smell conspiracy.
Touch the millions who believe the same.
The human condition wants something tangible,
something that could derive order from chaos.
Ultimatly, this is a waste of time.

What conclusion will we come to?
The same conculsion that has everyone taking
violent action in the first place.

The same conculsion why we are here
discussing this matter.

The same conculsion why you will refute with
me, or not find any reason to single this issue out.

I can see it now: "SO?"
 
2005-05-08 11:43:34 PM  
Angel of Death

In case you're not noticing the terrorists we're told be worried about apparently have the IQ of an ant. They're blowing up Iraqis, and lately Kurds as well. This works how? They can't even remember who to blow up in order to make a point. Nevermind it's just a contomporary thing. At one time it was hip to hijack airliners for political reasons. Now it isn't. Every cause has its day, and this one too shall pass.
 
2005-05-08 11:43:36 PM  
Largest Flame War

EVER
 
2005-05-08 11:43:47 PM  
SingletonFactory:

Bush could personally burn down a school on National TV and still have 51% of Americans support him. Just so long as he doesn't let the gays get married, he'll be seen as the 'moral' president.

Ain't that the truth! I have family members who just think that GWB is the next best thing to the Second Coming. I'll say something like "Just because he's on the right side of the abortion debate [we're all pro-life] doesn't mean he's right about everything. It's possible that he is pro-life and lies about Social Security, reasons for war, job outsourcing, etc."

For this dose of common sense, I get called a "librul".
 
2005-05-08 11:44:47 PM  
cargrrl82

Not sure what that has to do with what I said, or with anything, for that matter...but okay.
 
2005-05-08 11:44:50 PM  
Well, this can't be good. At least we had ONE good non-flamewar thread go to infinity today (guitar solos, go check it out, I submitted it, and considering i had no intention of it actually getting accepted it, I've earned the right to whore for it without shame ;)

That said... about the story-too little, too late. Bush, as much as I dislike him, ain't going to be impeached over this (even though it is, imho more serious than getting a blowjob in office), and all our soldiers are still dead. All we can do now is put as much pressure on our leaders as humanly possible to get them the right equipment so that they can come home safe when their job is done.
(is feeling unusually mellow tonight)

I support our troops, just not their idiot commander in chief.
 
2005-05-08 11:45:11 PM  
cargrrl82

Saddam could do anything he wanted as long as he was "our" thug. He left the reservation and the U.S. revoked his cover.

Ever see the Donny Rumsfeld pic shaking Saddam's hand? The Reagan-ites loved Saddam.
 
2005-05-08 11:45:21 PM  
This isn't going to change a thing.

The right-wing dipsticks will remain faithfully on their knees fellating their favorite prevaricator till the end of time.

It takes a lot of work and devotion to be as stupid as the Bush supporters.
 
2005-05-08 11:45:38 PM  
Tatsuma

The Sudan has been a bloodbath for 10 years plus now. Also let's not forget who was in office and what their sec of state told congress when the situation in Rwanda entered the innermost circle of hell. And then there's Burma, which no one even mentions. Or that we screwed Cambodia and Ehtiopia. Want me to keep going?
 
2005-05-08 11:45:41 PM  
Angel of Death, obviosly we can't invade countries with nuclear weapons for tactical reasons, and obviously we don't really have the troops or the money to invade another country at this point period. If we did there's a good chance I would support an invasion to remove the Ayatollahs of Iran and replace them with a democratic government.

This last semester I was doing activist work trying to raise awareness about Omar al-Bashir and the Sudanese genocide with flyers, fake wanted posters, etc. I really wish the same amount of attention was payed to Sudan and to China's human rights record and our administration cared about the appalling lack of human rights in these countries.

I was also an activist for gay rights this last semester too and participated in several marches with my friend Matt. Imagine that. But nope, I'm just a Republican sheep hell bent on doing everything I'm told.
 
2005-05-08 11:45:46 PM  
If evidence comes out that Bush knew that Iraq had no WMD's prior to the war, then I'll care.

But now, not so much.
 
2005-05-08 11:46:36 PM  
funkysumo:

You want to talk conspiracy?!?

How about the fact that this thread got the green light in a way which was timed to make it show up late in the day. Thus making sure that infinity would never be reached!



Awful lot of fast replies, for a thread that won't reach infinity
 
2005-05-08 11:46:53 PM  
JoeKnows: Ain't that the truth! I have family members who just think that GWB is the next best thing to the Second Coming.

The proof was in the exit polls after the Bush/Kerry election, revealing that untold millions voted for Bush precisely because of his stance on such "moral" and "family" issues.

A band of psychopaths kills 3500 Americans, and we're worried about whether Herb and Gary can get married. We deserve to be a civilization in decline.
 
2005-05-08 11:47:35 PM  
2wolves

Yeah I've seen the picture.
 
2005-05-08 11:48:24 PM  
cargrrl82:

The Sudan has been a bloodbath for 10 years plus now. Also let's not forget who was in office and what their sec of state told congress when the situation in Rwanda entered the innermost circle of hell. And then there's Burma, which no one even mentions. Or that we screwed Cambodia and Ehtiopia. Want me to keep going?


If you think that 'Genocide' is a good reason for going into Iraq, yes, yes please, go on

Why were the mere recent deaths in Iraq deemed more worthy than the actual BLOODBATH in Sudan, right now?

Why was Iraq more important than Sudan?
 
2005-05-08 11:48:35 PM  
cargrrl82:

Yes Reagan did that, but that doesn't mean the US couldn't change his mind on the man as times change.

I agree with you there. But it does mean that Republican leaders as of late -- Reagan, Bush I, and Bush Jr. -- aren't really concerned with toppling dictators, preserving human rights, bringing freedom to the world, etc. unless it happens to coincide with our present-day interests -- namely oil, when it comes to middle east policy.
 
2005-05-08 11:49:07 PM  
BatManuel, get your head out of your ass.
 
2005-05-08 11:49:10 PM  
I'd like to imagine that America cared...

...but I can't. Sad, really...
 
2005-05-08 11:49:26 PM  
YES!!!!

God hath blessed this day, baby!
 
2005-05-08 11:49:52 PM  
Angel of Death

Foreign policy isn't static, never has been. Just look at how much it changed from say 1930 to 1950. One would expect as new people come around to be in control of foreign policy it changes. If it didn't? In light of how it's been, then there'd be a need to worry.
 
2005-05-08 11:50:23 PM  
Bush the Fat ConTROLLER, yeah, I sure am. I am doing what the fark I can to avoid a bit of spring cleaning.
 
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