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(Noise and Disturber)   Nine people voted out of church for failing to sign loyalty oath agreeing to pastor's political views. Mark Burnett buys option on "Survivor: Hick-Ass Appalachian Dumbasses"   ( divider line
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2005-05-07 09:17:56 PM  
Submitter here. This is what happens when you Fark hungover; you confuse a washed-up has-been/never-was quarterback for a reality TV producer. Yeah, I meant Mark Burnett. Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled flamewar.
2005-05-07 09:19:51 PM  
The Pastor screwed up, if true there is no way they should be able to keep their tax status.

On a side note, the Church only has 100 members. 9 were fired, 40 have left. We shouldn't judge religion because of the action of a weirdo from a town no one has ever heard of before with a congregation smaller than the Nebraska football team.
2005-05-07 09:20:35 PM  

Revealing that's greenlighting decisions are affected by somewhat conservative viewpoints. Kind of like the t-shirts which are advertised on fark, etc.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-05-07 09:20:45 PM  
Personally, I'm in favor of revoking the charitable donation deduction entirely. I'm always reluctant to use the word "fair" in connection with taxes, but it seems more fair to get the government out of deciding who is worthy of that ~30% subsidy and who isn't. That leaves the question of taxation of the church itself, but as the court pointed out in the D.C. Circuit case gifts are not taxable to the recipient. If the church is sustained by donations from members it won't owe taxes whichever way it is classified.
2005-05-07 09:21:50 PM  
ummm... yay freedom?
2005-05-07 09:22:05 PM  
Don't worry, Republicans have the solution!

They're going to make this sort of shiat legal by allowing churches to engage in politicking while retaining their tax exempt status!
2005-05-07 09:22:16 PM  
this story was submitted on TF about 100 times since it first broke, the mods just didn't greenlight it until now. why? i'll leave that to the conspiracy theorists.

Saturday evening, everyone is out drinking, military aircraft droning above my head, tin-foil secure, and 4th dimensional overlords controlling Bush by remote as he uses a Playstation2 to conduct a remote demolition on another financial institution in New York?! OH GOD!!
2005-05-07 09:23:18 PM  
Democrats are teh suck and excommunication is too good for them.

I think you fundies are all dirty nazis and deserve to be biatch-slapped upside your Godwin! So there!

/your turn
2005-05-07 09:24:42 PM  
Give it a rest,KerwoodDerby. If FARK was so tilted to the Right, why would they even choose to greenlight it at all? And as far as the ads go, whatever generates revenue is what Drew is looking at. If an advertiser thinks their product will sell on FARK, they'll pay Drew for all the eyeballs.
2005-05-07 09:25:37 PM  
What is the deal with the religious fanatics in this country. I'm not attacking religion, per se, it's just that the close-minded fanaticism has gotten way way out of control. This is the 21st century for fark sake. Yet, we have millions who desire a return to the 15th century. Scary stuff.
2005-05-07 09:27:34 PM  
I guess you all are right. Gosh, what do I know, I'm just a lowly Farker. I must not understand the big picture like you guys do.
2005-05-07 09:27:51 PM  
Chandler could not be reached for comment.

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Ah hah! The old "could not be reached for comment" trick! Oldest one in the book.

/Tries to remember the last time a Democrat was made to look like a d.i.k.h.e.d and "could not be reached for comment"
2005-05-07 09:27:57 PM  
Whatever happened to the great preacher's like Jesse Custer?
2005-05-07 09:27:59 PM  
KerwoodDerby: affected by somewhat conservative viewpoints

Maybe, though, around the end of october last year before the US election i went back and looked at a weeks headlines, and pro-Kerry and pro-Bush headlines were pretty even in number.. i was surprised, i can remember
2005-05-07 09:29:26 PM  
I sumbitted this with a better headline (for inciting a flamewar...)

"Church bans democrats, free will."
2005-05-07 09:29:33 PM  
my wife and her kin are Fundies, I sometimes worry about them rubbing this brand of goofyness off on my kids. Then I see my copy of The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine on my bookshelf that I'm saving for my kids. That book is like kryptonite to Fundies.

/got nuthin, thought I would aimlessly ramble a bit
2005-05-07 09:29:41 PM  
Try being a pro-life Democrat and see how far you get within the party. Punishment for failure to adhere to group dogma isn't just the province of religion.
2005-05-07 09:30:23 PM  

How would Jesus Vote?
2005-05-07 09:33:29 PM  
Props to submitter for the N&O tagline

/The N&O really is a bush league paper
2005-05-07 09:33:37 PM  
It's spelled B-r-u-n-e-l-l, folks- one n, two l's.
2005-05-07 09:34:45 PM  

Try being a pro-life Democrat and see how far you get within the party. Punishment for failure to adhere to group dogma isn't just the province of religion.

First off, this isn't a political party, it is a church. There exists a difference. Second, try being a Republican in support of higher taxes and unions and see how far you get in the party.

Did you have a point?
2005-05-07 09:35:09 PM  
so what you are basically saying is
that the church can get involved as much as it wants in politics and government, but
government can't get involved in the church's business?

sounds like a wonderful tool with which to wield power

maybe i'll start my own.
2005-05-07 09:35:17 PM  
I guess this proves that interbreeding has yet to cease in WNC. I live in the area, this isn't the only church who pulls crap like that....some of these people almost see Dubya as "the second coming". Asshat central.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-05-07 09:37:23 PM  
this pastor (or church government) overstepped it's authority.

/conservative xian.

I had a conversation recently about Pope Clavin's activities before he became Pope, and how it related to the dispute over Kerry's failure to apply Church teachings to his political activities. Apparently his position is that one need not vote against a candidate who does not strictly follow Church doctrine as long as that candidate is the lesser evil. That doesn't mean you have not sinned -- under the Catholic tradition, sin is inevitable -- but you did the best you could and the church has ways of dealing with sin.

So a Catholic could vote for Kerry despite his positions on abortion and other political issues out of a sincere conviction that Bush's making war is a worse violation of Church doctrine.

I don't know if Protestants and other Christians share the same attitude.

(I'm neither a Catholic nor a professional theologian. Corrections welcome.)
2005-05-07 09:38:02 PM  
This, my friends. This is why so many athetists make fun of xians.

Can anyone direct me to the Bible quote that says "Exclude thy neighbor?" Anyone?
2005-05-07 09:38:04 PM  

Jesus would vote for the gun-totin', Excursion-drivin', most rootin'-tootin'est anti-gay, anti-abortion, asshat ever to grace the earth, of course.

/Before I get flamed, please note the correct use of apostrophes in lieu of g's in the gerund.
2005-05-07 09:40:32 PM  
o/` o/` The Inquisition, what a show; the Inquisition, go go go. I know you're wishin'; that we'd go away! o/` o/`
2005-05-07 09:40:39 PM  
jjorsett: Try being a pro-life Democrat and see how far you get within the party.

Oh, like the governor of W. Virginia, John Manchin? Or Rep. Jerry Costello (D-IL), Rep. Mike Doyle (D-PA), Rep. Ralph Hall (D-TX), Rep. Tony Hall (D-OH), Rep. Chris John (D-LA), Rep. Dale Kildee (D-MI), Rep. John LaFalce (D-NY), Rep. Jim Langevin (D-RI), Rep. Bill Lipinski (D-IL), Rep. Ken Lucas (D-KT), Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-NC), Rep. Alan Mollohan (D-WV), Rep. Collin Peterson (D-MN), Rep. David Phelps (D-IL), Rep. Nick Rahall (D-WV), Rep. Ronnie Shows (D-MS), Rep. Charlie Stenholm (D-TX), and Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI).

Not to mention Representatives Jim Barcia (D-MI) and Tim Roemer (D-IN) Rep. Jim Oberstar (D-MN).

Yup, all those people had to quit politics in disgrace b/c nobody would vote for them because they're Democratic and pro-life.

What? You mean they're all still in office? Well, I guess jjorsett's post was a bunch of hyperbolic crap, huh?
2005-05-07 09:41:04 PM  

The late great Mr. Zappa said both things.
2005-05-07 09:41:06 PM  
Since then, Chandler's frequent political sermons have caused a deep rift in the congregation, said Selma Morris, 78, a member for more than 30 years.

"I told him, 'You owe God an apology, and you owe the congregation an apology, because you used his pulpit for political purposes,' " said Morris, the church treasurer. "You don't do that in a Baptist church."

Sounds like this problem will be self-correcting.

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2005-05-07 09:41:26 PM  
In October, just before the presidential election, Chandler said anyone who planned to vote for Democratic candidate John Kerry should leave the church

As if I needed another reason to leave church.
2005-05-07 09:43:31 PM  
UNC_Samurai: Props to submitter for the N&O tagline

Thank you, thank you. I was wondering if anyone would notice that. I still click into the N&O almost daily, just to see what's going on back home. And it always has been, and always will be, the Noise and Disturber.
2005-05-07 09:44:02 PM  
And remember, Jesus paid his taxes:

When they came together in Galilee, he said to them, The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life. And the disciples were filled with grief.
After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, Doesnt your teacher pay the Temple tax?
Yes, he does, he replied.
When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the first to speak. What do you think, Simon? he asked. From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxesfrom their own sons or from others?
From others, Peter answered.
Then the sons are exempt, Jesus said to him. But so that we may not offend them, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours.
Matthew 17:22-27, NIV
2005-05-07 09:44:51 PM  

I guess this proves that interbreeding has yet to cease in WNC. I live in the area, this isn't the only church who pulls crap like that....some of these people almost see Dubya as "the second coming". Asshat central.

Yeah, what the hell is in the water down there? I know there must be plenty of intelligent and rational Southerners. There has to be. And I hope that they can see that shiat like this is why the South has such a poor image in the North.

Yes, it is arrogant and elitist when the Northeast and West Coast mock the South as a bunch of backwards hicks, and not really fair. But maybe the South brings it on itself, by producing an endless parade of asshats and religious fanatics that promote those stereotypes.
2005-05-07 09:44:54 PM  
This is just further reason to justify my aversion to religion. First, there's the asshat pharmacist who refused to fill a LEGAL prescription becuase of morals, and now the pastor refusing church members because they didn't SIGN A FORM? Since when did churches have forms?

Christianity sends me sooooooo many mixed messages. You see the ads on TV for some church saying, "Jesus never turned anyone away. Neither do we." Ok. Fair enough. I can respect that. But then there's shiat like this, which makes me think that all Christians are stupid. I can't make up my mind. Good. Stupid. Good. Stupid.

Sad as it is, I am still leaning toward stupid. Maybe I need to see a church ad.
2005-05-07 09:44:55 PM  
Splendid. Let the Dworkinization of the radical right begin.

ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-05-07 09:45:14 PM  
sounds like a wonderful tool with which to wield power

maybe i'll start my own.

In this country the people are supposed to have power over the government.

Think a minute about what you could actually do with a sham church. You could spend other peoples' money on political campaigns about 25% more effectively than they could on their own, due to the government subsidy we call a tax deduction. Now how many people do you know who would donate to your church? What sort of advertising budget would you have?
2005-05-07 09:45:53 PM  
they should sign the pledges and do whatever this guy says -

I mean, they've already signed away any possible meaning to their life by dedicating it to some ghost in the sky that was invented by smarter men who wanted an easy way to control them -

go ahead all believers - sign the pledge, you've already signed away your life
2005-05-07 09:46:11 PM  
Separation of church and state?
2005-05-07 09:46:22 PM  
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Splendid. Let the Dworkinization of the radical right begin.

Hahaha, that is awesome!
2005-05-07 09:46:27 PM  
I completely support this pastor's actions!
... just kidding :)

ps : c'mon everyone stop agreeing in a religous thread!
2005-05-07 09:46:53 PM  
The first amendment can be extrapolated not only to mean "Seperation of church from state (IE: a government run by a church)", but "seperation of state from church".

This is an internal church issue. Although clearly questionable, the actions of the church do not fall within the jurisdiction of any external legislative body.
2005-05-07 09:47:13 PM  
America is not worth saving as it stands. It is time for those of us who wish to preserve the best of our ideals to do as these parishoners did...we need to bolt.

Secession makes sense for the NE and West Coast states. There is no way to work with the Murikkkan Soldiers For Ol' Time Religion. To the rest of the planet, you and they are the same people. For shame. Get free. Drop the baggage. Start over. They are never going to change. You will always be in the position of bankrolling their crusades unless you do something.
2005-05-07 09:48:29 PM  
This thread is losing steam to the volcano thread!

Righties should just be farking off'd!
2005-05-07 09:48:39 PM  

You deserve a medal. Thank you for seeing through the bullshiat.

/Does anyone really know what your 10% tithe goes to anyway?
//By the way, God accepts PayPal
2005-05-07 09:48:39 PM  
The Great Loyalty Oath Crusade?
2005-05-07 09:49:05 PM  
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Splendid. Let the Dworkinization of the radical right begin.

Ok, I got half a woody from the very idea.
2005-05-07 09:49:21 PM  
lizerd, I know a few farkers (not going to name them) who could come in and defend this asshat. I haven't seen them around in a while though.

Maybe their "Defend Jesus-dar" will go off since this went live.
2005-05-07 09:50:05 PM  
FarkmeBlind: What? You mean they're all still in office?

I'm pretty sure LaFalce retired a couple years ago. Your point stands though - he was in Congress many terms.
2005-05-07 09:50:07 PM  
"sounds like a wonderful tool with which to wield power
maybe i'll start my own."

Write a book, then convince Tom Cruise he's got a brain. You'll have it made.
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