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(CNN)   Doctor gives medication to man who was in near persistent vegetative state; within three months, man starts to talk sensibly again. Let the Schiavo flamewar restart   (us.cnn.com) divider line 181
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2005-05-05 05:09:46 PM  

Well, the good news is that your treatment has achieved a miraculous new result!
 
2005-05-05 05:10:36 PM  
What right do we have to see it?

None whatsoever if it isn't public record, and I seriously doubt an autopsy is public record.
 
2005-05-05 05:11:04 PM  
Is being in a near persistent vegitative state anything like being a little bit pregnant?

Actually, no, it isn't, which is kinda funny. And, actually, the majority of sexually-active women spend about a third of the time being a little bit pregnant. The vast majority of fertilized eggs are discarded by the female body as a matter of routine (during menstruation). Current medical science could probably prevent this, which also has some political ramifications.

Every extremist group ignores the stuff they don't want to deal with. It's part of the program.
 
2005-05-05 05:13:00 PM  
What Would Jesus Do?
Why was Terri in such a state to begin with? Sins? Sins too heinous to be forgiven? Or was her affliction so strong even Jesus could not cure it?
I have a few hard questions for the saviour, and I bet he's not gonna like them.
 
2005-05-05 05:13:06 PM  
MyrnaMinkoff: near persistent vegetative state.

I was in a near persistent vegetative state when the designated driver poured me into the backseat of the car last Friday night. Where's the media outrage?


And stop with the cherubim jelly, okay.
The stuff gives baby Jebus gas.


 
2005-05-05 05:13:31 PM  
In some states autopsy reports are public records (Colorado, frex), and in some they aren't (um . . . New Jersey, anyway). I have no idea what the law is in Florida. In Schiavo's case, I don't care, either -- especially since the autopsy probably wouldn't reveal anything relevant to the brouhaha that robbed her life and death of all human dignity.
 
2005-05-05 05:16:48 PM  
vernonFL:

They also made the comparison to Terri Schiavo and the doctor said it wasn't really the same.

There's one doctor who won't be back on Fox.
 
2005-05-05 05:17:44 PM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence: Since when did siding with life become so taboo?

Ask the guy who signed a law that lets hospitals kill patients over family members' objections, if they can't pay.
 
2005-05-05 05:17:55 PM  
Puzzledrick
WTF is up with the greenlight? We've seen variations of this on TF since the guy asked for his wife. Does Fark light suddenly need some flame wars or something?

To be frank... yeah, I kind of do enjoy these things when they come up. I dunno. Maybe for the same reason people enjoy stuff like Tyson beating the crap out of Spinks.

And hey, it's way easier than trolling BlogsforTerri.
 
2005-05-05 05:18:25 PM  
Wouldn't Terri Schiavo's autopsy simply state that she died of dehydration?
 
2005-05-05 05:19:15 PM  
How about if we make dying illegal? THAT would stop that Grim Reaper guy
 
2005-05-05 05:20:59 PM  
I'm sure this guy is going to be super-impressed when he realizes that his miracalous recovery has served no other purpose but to be more grist for the mill.

We wonks can turn any event into a right/left flamewar.. it is truely amazing.

"Thanks for waking up for a few minutes pal!!! Our 24 hour news cycle needed a little help today, and your story will fit in quite nicely for 10 or 15 minutes until some brat gets trapped in a well somewhere... That runaway bride biatch story got really boring since yesterday."
 
2005-05-05 05:21:16 PM  
This "story" hits the front page, yet, when I tried to submit the news that the Cato Institute was ripping the GOP a new one* I see the link was already submitted and rejected.

Whenever I think of going totalfark, I just remember what does and does not get greenlighted. Too many eyeballs read the front page without digging into the story or the comments for me to ignore the harmful effects of only approving crap.

*from http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa543.pdf :
"Once upon a time, the Republican Party frequently made the case for smaller government and occasionally backed up the rhetoric with action."
 
2005-05-05 05:21:26 PM  
Isn't it beautiful outside?

/disrobing from asbestos suit..
 
2005-05-05 05:21:29 PM  
It's time for the Official Jesus 2.0 Schiavo Autopsy Results Prediction!

Coroner: Terry Schiavo essentially had no cerebrum.

Hyperchristian Podiatrist from Kansas: Yes she did.

Coroner: It had been replaced with spinal fluid.

Hyperchristian Podiatrist from Kansas: No it wasn't.

"News" Anchor: Okay, that was an interesting debate. Thank you gentlemen.
 
2005-05-05 05:21:35 PM  
RandomAxe: I have no idea what the law is in Florida.

I'm guessing they're not public record. Wasn't there an effort to publicize autopsy photos of Dale Earnhardt after he made the ultimate error of turning right in a NASCAR event?

(Non-Athletic Sport Centered Around Rednecks)
 
2005-05-05 05:21:43 PM  
Wouldn't Terri Schiavo's autopsy simply state that she died of dehydration?

I believe it included a total head-to-toe examination and would detail any suspect findings. http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050416/NEWS/504160373/10 39

That is the latest article I could find on the subject. The only "suspect" finding was that there were no suspect findings. Meaning there was no abuse. Take that.
 
2005-05-05 05:21:51 PM  
Befuddled - During an autopsy, they check all of you r major organs. So, this means that they would have to check out her brain. By doing so they could see if she really was unable to think/respond to stimuli or if she was just unable to move/express herself.
 
2005-05-05 05:21:59 PM  
RandomAxe:
If Terri's husband cared about her dignity, don't you think he would at least let the nurses brush her teeth? Turn on the radio or TV? Treat a painful bladder infection? Do you think he would be overheard saying "has that B*tch died yet?" He was an awful bastard who would not allow even the simplest of comforts for his "beloved" What kind of sick man won't let the nurses brush his wife's teeth?
 
2005-05-05 05:23:27 PM  
FmeinthegoatA: What kind of sick man won't let the nurses brush his wife's teeth?

What kind of sick fark spreads unsubstantiated rumors about how a man treats his wife? Unless, of course, you were there.
 
2005-05-05 05:24:13 PM  
emilykp

No autopsy required, it's pretty easy for modern medical practitioners to determine whether huge parts of your brain are missing without having to cut your head open.
 
2005-05-05 05:24:37 PM  
2005-05-05 05:21:59 PM FmeinthegoatA

You witnessed all that? They could have used you during the dozens of trials that they lost.
 
2005-05-05 05:24:56 PM  
Wasn't there an effort to publicize autopsy photos of Dale Earnhardt after he made the ultimate error of turning right in a NASCAR event?

Not positive, but I think there was a special order to seal those photos.

Do you think he would be overheard saying "has that B*tch died yet?"

But then, there was none of the abuse that these nurses claimed, so I'm inclined to doubt that he said anything to that effect.
 
2005-05-05 05:25:38 PM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence: Why don't you get on your high horse over the case of Knya Dismuke-Howard and the man who signed the bill into law that allows her life support to be removed - which would be Terri's "hero" George W. Bush....

Maybe he'll race to save her life as well, oh wait - she's not white, so I guess Knya Dismuke-Howard is out of luck.....
 
2005-05-05 05:25:50 PM  
While seeming to offer promise in this case, the approach is not a cure-all for brain-injured patients, he said.

Flame over.
 
2005-05-05 05:27:11 PM  
Wow! Looks like I got on the wrong side of that debate! Sorry!

/just kidding, apples and oranges.
 
2005-05-05 05:27:19 PM  
 
2005-05-05 05:27:25 PM  
It' true.

I've got plenty more links if you like.

"Schiavo's ban on family visits may have been prompted by a growing public awareness of Terri's condition the neglect of her health and hygiene and an observed decline in her care. Mary Schindler has complained on numerous occasions that since being moved to Park Place, her daughter's hair was not being washed as frequently as it should be, that she was not kept clean and had developed a bedsore on her buttocks, the first she'd ever had.

Recently, Terri lost two teeth hardly a surprise since she has not received even minimal dental care for years and the teeth in question had become black before breaking off at the root. The Schindlers have been kept in the dark as to what became of the teeth. Did they fall out of her mouth or did Terri swallow them? No one will say."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38255
 
2005-05-05 05:28:25 PM  
FmeinthegoatA

Where in the world did you get this from? Sounds like rumors to me.
 
2005-05-05 05:29:17 PM  
FmeinthegoatA

Did they fall out of her mouth or did Terri swallow them? No one will say.

Here's a clue, doofus: She couldn't swallow.
 
2005-05-05 05:29:25 PM  
Living in Alabama, I'm near a vegitative state.
 
2005-05-05 05:29:50 PM  
Jesus 2.0:

"News" Anchor:
Well look this isn't an argument
Hyperchristian Podiatrist from Kansas: Yes it is.
"News" Anchor: No it isn't
Hyperchristian Podiatrist from Kansas: Yes it is.
"News" Anchor: You're just contradicting me.
Hyperchristian Podiatrist from Kansas: When?
"News" Anchor: Just now!
Hyperchristian Podiatrist from Kansas: No I didn't.
"News" Anchor: You did it again!
Hyperchristian Podiatrist from Kansas: No I didn't!
"News" Anchor: An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a position. That just isn't saying "No it isn't""
Hyperchristian Podiatrist from Kansas: Yes it is.
 
2005-05-05 05:30:01 PM  
FmeinthegoatA: It' true.

I've got plenty more links if you like.


You're referring us to WingNutDaily and think it bolsters your argument? Looks like you're in the near vegetative state.
 
2005-05-05 05:30:54 PM  
FmeinthegoatA

You're really not doing anything until you can produce evidence that Terri's frontal lobe had not turned into fluid. What you're writing sounds to be spiteful and petty without evidence backing up the possibility of her mind still being whole. Or at least recoverable. And since the autopsy results haven't been published yet, I say STFU.
 
2005-05-05 05:31:41 PM  
Wow. That WorldNet might be more conservative than Fox News.
 
2005-05-05 05:32:19 PM  
I'd like to see this guys CT scan compared to hers, otherwise I'll keep my fat mouth shut like everyone else should.
 
2005-05-05 05:34:41 PM  
If Terri's husband cared about her dignity, don't you think he would [...]

No, I wouldn't. Even taking as an assumption that these things are true . . . my beliefs about her dignity aren't likely to be exactly the same as his. Since I have not had a wife go through this experience, I can't really say what I would think or do in the same situation, and since it's a pretty extreme series of events, I don't think many people have the frame of reference to pass fair judgment on him.

That said, my impression is that he basically felt she was dead and that her body was being kept alive, in a vegetative state, by machines. Plenty of doctors agreed with him. I don't see why he would have felt that any of those things would have improved her dignity. He may very well have felt that it was much the same as if her body were being displayed in the town square, in which case putting a new hat on her head every month wouldn't have done much for her dignity.

I'm just sayin'. Personally, I think she was firmly vegetative and effectively dead, and I don't think it mattered to her what happened. If she were still alive and knew what was going to happen to her, I think she probably would've sided with her husband, and rather strongly.

I could be wrong. In any case, I don't think it was a terribly interesting or distinctive case, and I didn't bother following it closely.
 
2005-05-05 05:36:01 PM  
It also came directly from her brother, during an interview. He said specifically that they are not allowed to brush her teeth or turn on the TV. The "biatch" comment was reported by a nurse. Some people speculate that she isn't credible because she was later fired from the care facility.

I'm not saying her mind wasn't jelly, just that her husband was a bastard that had no business making any decisions about her care.
 
2005-05-05 05:36:45 PM  

Terri Shiavo appeared in my pancake.


 
2005-05-05 05:37:31 PM  
One time I got the flu, but I came back and am now almost normal.

Well, it's about the same argument being made in the headline. I loved the Schiavo fiasco. It really brought out the stupid people. And that includes Ralph Nader, a man I respected for a variety of reasons.
 
2005-05-05 05:38:27 PM  
Was it this man?
 
2005-05-05 05:38:34 PM  
No, FmeinthegoatA, what you are saying is that you believe unsubstantiated rumors despite the fact that they didn't hold up in dozens of cases.
 
2005-05-05 05:38:40 PM  
FmeinthegoatA

Seriously, if you use articles with no journalistic merit to support your claims you aren't saying much about your intelligence.

I mean, that was just a BS article. I mean, so badly written and argued a 15 year old could strip it of its worth. Do you know what journalism is?

/not trying to be mean, but jeez
 
2005-05-05 05:39:39 PM  
I have to admit that, if her mind "was jelly", I don't see how turning on the TV would restore her dignity. You know?

It's pretty strange, all in all. Hospitals in the US intentionally let people die hundreds if not thousands of times a day. In fact, the US has no set guidelines for what it means to be 'dead' in the first place. Some hospitals have specific guidelines, but, for the most part, doctors wing it.
 
2005-05-05 05:39:39 PM  
Cartman: Oh, I just remembered! Kenny told me this one time, that he wouldn't wanna be kept alive via feeding tube.

Mrs. McComrick: He did? When?

Cartman: Um, it was um, this one time...

Kyle: He did not say that! You just want him dead so you can have his stupid PSP!

Cartman: Stupid? PSP is stupid?! [steps forth] Did you all hear that?? [steps back to his little group] Uh I mean, I mean this isn't about PSP, Kyle! This is about my friend, and his wishes. And Kenny said he didn't want to live like this!
 
2005-05-05 05:40:16 PM  
I have to admit that, if her mind "was jelly", I don't see how turning on the TV would restore her dignity. You know?

It's pretty strange, all in all. Hospitals in the US intentionally let people die hundreds if not thousands of times a day. In fact, the US has no set guidelines for what it means to be 'dead' in the first place. Some hospitals have specific guidelines, but, for the most part, doctors wing it.

Back in a bit.
 
2005-05-05 05:40:55 PM  
I'm not saying her mind wasn't jelly, just that her husband was a bastard that had no business making any decisions about her care.

Actually, FmeinthegoatA he was her legal guardian so, he had every right to make decisions about her care.
 
2005-05-05 05:41:58 PM  
Actually, most of the Terry Schiavo "err on the side of life" protestors are preoccupied trying to save a 5-month old African American girl from being taken off life-support down in Texas...

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/print_042905_local_babyfight.html

Oh, wait, no they're not.
 
2005-05-05 05:42:21 PM  
FmeinthegoatA
I'm not saying her mind wasn't jelly, just that her husband was a bastard that had no business making any decisions about her care.

It doesn't matter. The quality of care she received really doesn't mean shiat if her brain was mush. IIRC, he went to some extreme lengths earlier on to bring her out of the PVS, all of which failed. If the allegations of abuse are true (which the released evidence says otherwise) then that would imply that she would've been better off dying earlier in the process before her body could be treated so poorly.

As for him saying "biatch," I think there are plenty of married couples out there that say a lot worse things about each other yet are deemed to be proper care providers.
 
2005-05-05 05:44:01 PM  
Er, decision-makers.
 
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