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2005-05-05 10:17:16 AM
Oh, DPR, DPR, DPR,

I wasn't talking about a king or queen TAKING power and running the government. I was talking about a (religion-leading) king or queen being granted ANY power at all and the right to exercise it -- which is the case here. The queen has been given powers. It doesn't matter to me that she does not use them. The issue is that you have a "pope" with ANY power at all -- even if it's just the power to name janitors for the House of Lords. It's ridiculously undemocratic, and it's been going on for 400 years. This is a matter of principle -- not a matter of practice. Do you understand now?
 
2005-05-05 10:20:12 AM
Well I'm off to vote soon. For what it's worth I'm voting for the Scottish National Party because they actually stand a decent chance of defeating Labour in my district (which, by the way, Labour handily rearranged to give themselves more of a boost). Always used to rule out the Nationalists as being, well, nationalist idiots but their policies are actually incredibly sensible (replace council tax with local income tax, no ID cards, get into Europe, etc).

My fiancee and I were originally going to vote our consciences and go with smaller parties (Scottish Socialists for me, Greens for her) but given the margin where we live it's worth going against principles to deny Labour a seat.

The nonsense about third party votes being wasted is nothing but propaganda perpetuated by the bigger parties. Each vote you get for them strengthens them for the next election and takes away some support, however fractional, from the Labour/Tory two-headed sex beast.

Bring on true proportional representation I say...
 
2005-05-05 10:20:50 AM
Wax_on_Wax_off, I think it's because politics in Britain is a lot different to America and a lot of other places. We can all take the p*ss out of each other and enjoy ourselves. For instance, just take a look at Bremner, Bird & Fortune, or Have I Got News For You. Regardless of who you support, you can still have a jolly old laugh at everyone!
 
2005-05-05 10:21:39 AM
chudstud

It's ridiculously undemocratic, and it's been going on for 400 years. This is a matter of principle -- not a matter of practice. Do you understand now?



The consitutional monarchy makes absolutley no difference to anything at all in the democratic process, so no-one this side of the pond really gives a f*ck. Do you understand now?
 
2005-05-05 10:23:36 AM
It's ridiculously undemocratic, and it's been going on for 400 years.

But nobody cares. The monarchy doesn't effect anyone in England. I really think you're trying to make too big a point out of this. The Queen can have whatever powers she like, but the majority of Brits don't give a flying fark about her, and if she ever did anything we'd be more than happy to chop off her head. The fact that she's still this figure with these powers at the head of our state doesn't bother many people. We just ignore it.
 
2005-05-05 10:26:14 AM
When will people are appreciate that we have had the oldes tsurviving parliamnetary democracy in the world? All these smug ignorant Americans citing spurious bollocks about the Queen ruling our country, where do you get this stuff? Off beer mats?

TH UK model of government is widely repeated around the world, strange enough to say, the American one isn't.
 
2005-05-05 10:27:18 AM
So we're all in agreement then -- that the monarch is unnecessary in/irrelevant to government? Why then does the monarch remain even slightly intertwined with government? And why do some of you sound so adamant to keep the monarch involved? Isn't it time to excise all references to the monarchy in government? What purpose does it serve?

(I'm asking a serious question here. Civilized answers would be appreciated.)
 
2005-05-05 10:27:59 AM
Oh and chudstud, don't try and slag off our democracy, we don't live in one, we live in a constitutional monarchy and would be foolish to pretend otherwise. We are subjects, not citizens. However little power the monarch has, this remains an unfortunate fact. But before you start feeling all smug and self-congratulatory if you do your homework and look up any definitions you'll find that the US is pretty damn far from a democracy as well.

Government by the people for the people in the US of A? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
 
2005-05-05 10:28:11 AM
Hey, chudstud, who are you going to vote for the next time there's an election for membership off the Supreme Court? You know, that third pillar of US democracy, the one that does actually have quite a sizable amount of power.

farkwit.
 
2005-05-05 10:29:11 AM
chudstud : Why then does the monarch remain even slightly intertwined with government?

Tradition. It's something Americans don't really appreciate. It comes free with History.
 
2005-05-05 10:30:34 AM
Gwowen,
I'm going to vote for your mom.
 
2005-05-05 10:30:39 AM
Chudstud

The monarchy remains slightly interwined for traditional ceremonial purposes. It doesn't mean anything, but it's party of the ceremony, part of the pomp and grandure of the whole thing. It's like when you see a military parade in certain countries. It means nothing, but it's a pretty good show. Well, this is somewhat similar.

The monarch has it's supporters. People believe it's a grand ol' British institution. But there are a lot of people who want it totally removed. The majority, I feel, just tolerate them. They don't effect anything, and are mainly there for show.
 
2005-05-05 10:31:09 AM
binnster
And people say that politics doesn't affect their lives in any real way.

Seriously though my take on the election is this:

Labour

If you vote Labour in the next 4 years I predict that Tony Blair will rebrand our country to "Team Britain" and will change the title of Prime Minister to Team Leader. Team Leader Blair will then install giant screens in all our homes and the people of Britain will all be turned into mindless zombies by his constant hypnotic smiling.



Lib Dems

If they win you will be able to buy this at your local garden centre or post office:



Conservative

Do we really want to go back to a world where the weather was alway gloomy and rainy and where grim faced steel workers were forced into male prostitution just to feed t'bairns.

Now all you people are fully informed about the political choices in front of you go out and "Rock the Vote".
 
2005-05-05 10:31:23 AM
chudstud : I'm going to vote for your mom.

Oh, that's just brilliant. And you say you write for a living?
 
2005-05-05 10:32:56 AM
Monarchy survives because it is who we are. It's part of our heritage and history. It makes us Britain and not some boring european republic.

Plus the Royal Family brings in millions in toruism and through trade missions.

Anyway, wy do you call ex presidents Mr president, is it tradition? Trying to maintain a sense of history. Well, we don't need to try.
 
2005-05-05 10:33:12 AM
C'mon people - stay on target.........
 
2005-05-05 10:33:37 AM
gwowen

If "Oh, that's just brilliant. And you say you write for a living?" is the best he can do, then he's probably writing for AskMen or BBSpot ;)
 
2005-05-05 10:35:13 AM
dammit...i quote the wrong part

/drunk
 
2005-05-05 10:35:53 AM
quote=quoted

/going to sit in the corner and think about what he's done
 
2005-05-05 10:37:06 AM
Don't worry RichieXP, I understood what you meant.

I think.
 
2005-05-05 10:37:14 AM
binnster Do you understand now?
Not likely. Just another American on a holy crusade.


I find this amusing though:
chudstud says: (I'm asking a serious question here. Civilized answers would be appreciated.)

Next post says this:
Gwowen,
I'm going to vote for your mom.



/sigh
//moving to the UK
 
2005-05-05 10:37:48 AM
gwowen

I'm glad someone did. I'm still trying to decipher it myself :P
 
2005-05-05 10:38:06 AM
Lord Byrne, thank you for your repsonse. Gwowen and RichieXP, thank you for making me appreciate the civility and courtesy of my countrymen even more.
 
2005-05-05 10:39:48 AM
Civilized questions get civilized answers. Smart-arse questions get smart-arse answers. It's that simple.
 
2005-05-05 10:40:12 AM
Odd that of all the days his Toniness could have chosen for an election, he chose Holocaust day.

Obviously it will be another Labour government.
 
2005-05-05 10:40:28 AM
Voting for the LibDems in a few hours. Not sure who I'll vote for the local elections, probably the Greens.
 
2005-05-05 10:41:20 AM
chudstud : Thank you for making me appreciate the civility and courtesy of my countrymen even more.

Says the man who's first contribution to this thread was
UK election? Who cares?
and who clearly does not have the first idea what he's talking about in terms of the monarchy's power in the UK.

If that's civility, I'll take good old fashioned British abuse. At least we can do better than "your mother" jokes.
 
2005-05-05 10:42:42 AM
buddymifriend:

Superb summary! If only the Lib Dems could've posted me that bud sample, instead of all those farking leaflets!


Jamespoon

Not likely. Just another American on a holy crusade.



It appears there are some people that hate to see a thread reach the infinity symbol without it being a flamewar ;)
 
2005-05-05 10:42:46 AM
Gwowen, Gwowen, Gwowen.
 
2005-05-05 10:43:30 AM
Why come on a messaga about the UK elections and then express disinterest anyway?

Unless you're trolling. Then it makes perfect sense.
 
2005-05-05 10:44:27 AM
Lord_ByrneUnless you're trolling

My God! I think he's got it!
 
2005-05-05 10:44:28 AM
chudstud

Civilized questions get civilized answers. Smart-arse questions get smart-arse answers. It's that simple.



Look, you came in here with an ill-informed smartarsed comment seemingly designed for no other purpose than to troll. Do us all a favour and piss off.
 
2005-05-05 10:44:49 AM
messaga was meant to mean message board
 
2005-05-05 10:46:09 AM
binnster: Do us all a favour and piss off.

Now that's what I can a British response to a troll. We might as well get ol' John Two-Jabs Prescott in here to sort him out, Labour style! ;)
 
2005-05-05 10:46:19 AM
chudstud

So who are you voting for today then?
 
2005-05-05 10:51:11 AM
buddymifriend: What's your position on Ffion Hague?

Diving onto the bed from the top of the wardrobe wearing a Superman costume.
 
2005-05-05 10:53:42 AM
Here's another thing about our elections, we'll have the vote in before the night is over. That's what, over twenty million votes in a few hours, can it really be that simple, without recounts, Supreme Court, faulty ballots, faulty machine, well yes it can we do it all the time.
 
2005-05-05 10:54:22 AM
Zorba_the_Geek


buddymifriend: What's your position on Ffion Hague?

Diving onto the bed from the top of the wardrobe wearing a Superman costume.


Best. Fathers. For. Justice. Protest. Evar.
 
2005-05-05 10:56:20 AM
buddymifriend : Best. Fathers. For. Justice. Protest. Evar.

Thread Over.

buddymifriend wins.
 
2005-05-05 10:57:51 AM
Just had a look at the various pools, NOP has the Tories just 3% short of Labour, Mori puts them 5% behind, it could be an interesting night.
 
2005-05-05 10:59:15 AM
stpickrell: I guess the UK Independence Party just stand for MEP elections?

Nah, they had a candidate in my constituency (well I say that, she lived in Leicester or somewhere according to the ballot).

glitter, you *like* Ann Widdecombe? Isn't she like an older version of Ann Coulter over there?

Not got the foggiest who Ann Coulter is... But Doris Karloff has had the piss well and truly taken out of her over the years (kinda like I just did), but has retained a very very good sense of humour about it all. I got a lot of respect for her for doing the "Louis Theroux Meets..." episode and also being prepared to take part in "Celebrity Fat Fit Club" (I bloody wouldn't. I'd do Louis Theroux though... hehe). And she was anti-hunting.

As Tories go, she's OK by me.
 
2005-05-05 10:59:47 AM
More Poll News : Guardian/ICM has the Labour lead at 6%.
 
2005-05-05 11:00:16 AM
buddymifriend: Best. Fathers. For. Justice. Protest. Evar.

Provided 'The Invisible Man' wasn't already on the job, of course.
 
2005-05-05 11:02:47 AM
I don't buy this nonsense about the royals paying for themsleves through the additional tourists they attract to the country. There are still plenty people visiting Versailles a couple of centuries after he French royals had their heads lopped off.
 
2005-05-05 11:03:26 AM
Talking about Father's For Justice, did anyone else think it was a really British thing to do when, faced with a protester on the ledge at Buckingham Palace, they passed him a cup of tea. :)
 
2005-05-05 11:03:41 AM
buddymifriend

Best. Fathers. For. Justice. Protest. Evar.



Heh, that's one of those responses that you read, laugh, and then wish you'd thought of it yourself. Well played!
 
2005-05-05 11:05:36 AM
Although Mori is a slightly more recent poll, done on the 3rd to 4th, and the ICM one was done 1st to 3rd, Mori did have the Tories at 39% with a 5% lead over Labour on April 5th, so it's possibly not the most trustworthy source.
 
2005-05-05 11:05:56 AM
glitter

Yeah, I'd be OK with Ann Widdecombe being my MP and nothing else, except for her recent very public conversion of Catholocism (sp?), which made my blood run cold. Her bleating after SpiderPope died was vomit-making.

Zorba_the_Geek

Provided 'The Invisible Man' wasn't already on the job, of course.

Heh. Heh-heh. He said 'on the job'. Heh-heh, heh.
 
2005-05-05 11:06:09 AM
Force once, I'm glad to be a long way away from a UK election. I certainly couldn't bring my self to vote Labour in this election, even though I worked 72 hours without stopping for the Labour Party in '97. However, the Lib Dems are still as only marignally less clueless then they were ten years ago, the Green Party is still as stoned as ever, and both have displayed dangerous fiscal incompetence when elected to run municipalities. The only reason the Lib-Dems aren't higher in the polls is that too many people have seen them dig their local council into a big hole, and then have to hike the Council Tax. The Tories are way, way off the deep end, running on a platform of bigotry, isolationism and the economics of asserting division by zero as the answer to cutting taxes, so can no longer be considered a pro-business choice.

It is legal to write on the ballot in the UK, so long as you use all caps:

WHAT A SHOWER.
 
2005-05-05 11:07:37 AM
Yes, but foreigner came to csee Charle's wedding and the trooping of the colour and royal birthdays's always bring wallet laiden johnnies in.
 
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