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2005-05-04 05:07:35 PM  
Programmer Cat:

The Old Testament God got some Hebrew pussy, mellowed out, and became the New Testament God. It's simple. All God needed was a good woman. Too bad she was somebody else's wife.

It's all right, Joseph was a cool with it. They had an open relationship.
 
2005-05-04 05:08:27 PM  
2005-05-04 04:54:58 PM Tjos Weel


OT doesn't apply to gentiles? Well, you could have fooled me. If that's the case, then Christians should have no problems whatsoever with evolution since Genesis carries no weight.

Oh, and for your amusement (and no, I don't use HTML): http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/index.html#introduction_to_the_law
 
2005-05-04 05:08:37 PM  
Doc Daneeka: It's all right, Joseph was a cool with it. They had an open relationship.

Get your facts straight, they weren't even married yet. :P
 
2005-05-04 05:09:53 PM  

OT doesn't apply to gentiles? Well, you could have fooled me. If that's the case, then Christians should have no problems whatsoever with evolution since Genesis carries no weight.


To be more accurate Mosaic law, the laws of the Jews do not apply to Gentiles. The Old Testement is still relevant to Christians for other reasons.
 
2005-05-04 05:10:06 PM  
bbcrackmonkey, where are you? I wanna hear more about this "4 witnesses thing"...

Dipshiat.
 
2005-05-04 05:10:23 PM  
BillCosby,

Fair enough. In fact, Jesus made that point quite clear. He stopped the stoning of the adulteress (the ceremonial law) but told her to go and sin no more (it was still a violation of the moral law). Actually, not the best example since there is question of the authenticity of that passage.

Possible better example: Jesus healing on the sabbath.
 
2005-05-04 05:12:18 PM  
diskop: That's what it says in the Bible.

As long as someone points that out.
 
2005-05-04 05:13:18 PM  
Fair enough. In fact, Jesus made that point quite clear. He stopped the stoning of the adulteress (the ceremonial law) but told her to go and sin no more (it was still a violation of the moral law). Actually, not the best example since there is question of the authenticity of that passage.

Possible better example: Jesus healing on the sabbath.


Bingo! 5 gold stars.
 
2005-05-04 05:13:34 PM  
jst3p:

To be more accurate Mosaic law, the laws of the Jews do not apply to Gentiles. The Old Testement is still relevant to Christians for other reasons.

Bullshiat. Jesus specifically said that not one penstroke from the old law was to be removed until heaven and Earth are destroyed.
 
2005-05-04 05:14:41 PM  
heliosc,

Thanks. I was afraid I was going to have to look that up. My point, which I made badly, was that it applies to more than just the dietary restrictions. The argument in Acts was over circumcision, but that was symbolic of all the judaic "ceremonial" laws.

Have occassionally wondered if by being circumcised I am subject to the "ceremonial" laws. :)
 
2005-05-04 05:14:42 PM  

Bullshiat. Jesus specifically said that not one penstroke from the old law was to be removed until heaven and Earth are destroyed.


He also appeared to violate the old law. There must me more too it than what you see at first glance.
 
2005-05-04 05:17:02 PM  
the deuteronomy 22:28 quote is being mistranslated.

the word translated "rape" should be translated "lies with".

therefore, (and remember the cultural context of this) all it's saying is that if a man lies with a woman who is unbetrothed, the have to get married. its refering mostly to cases of consentual sex, but does cover the odd case of rape. remember, most women/girls would have been betrothed anyway.

/too late in the discussion for my knowlege of Hebrew to matter at all.
//you retards need to learn Hebrew to talk about the old testament.
 
2005-05-04 05:18:20 PM  
Nobody seems to consider her actually marrying the scumbag.

And make friends with him.

And give him everything he needs.

Until his ego is stroked enough to make him believe he did the right thing and he's the man.

Then you feed him two doses of Rohypnol in whatever it is that passes for dinner in that country.
And when he's totally, absolutely and completely wasted: you undress him and go boil a large kettle of water, which you then proceed to pour over him, carefully aiming for his dick and nutsack. Repeat as desired.
If he lives he's not going to be so farking amused anymore.
 
2005-05-04 05:18:47 PM  
heliosc:

Jesus declaring dietary laws obsoleted. I think this is the sort of thing Paul based his abolishment of those laws on.

Jesus did not declare "dietary laws" obsolete. Jesus broke no OT law. He violated part of the Pharasaic oral law, or code of interpretation, not the actual law. Jesus' reply is a typical response which points out that the Pharasees are guilty of a greater offense, which is a violation of the clear law (to honor one's parents) for the sake of a lesser (code of interpretation).
 
2005-05-04 05:19:19 PM  

Have occassionally wondered if by being circumcised I am subject to the "ceremonial" laws. :)


No. There is a passage in Acts that talks about this. Being circumcised does not make you a Jew and does not subject you to Mosaic law. It is irrelevant.
 
2005-05-04 05:20:54 PM  
How did the Bible, the Torah, et al get in this thread?? I doubt that anyone in India even knows what the hell those books are. They, by and large, worship a whole different set of invisible giants. I like the elephant guy myself, although all the pink stuff is a little faggy.
 
2005-05-04 05:22:48 PM  
Damn, I have a very good friend that is very Christian, and at first she told me the old testament did not apply to me as I was not Jewish (you know, I don't have to sacrifice a bird because I have my period), but when I brought up the death penalty, she referred to the old testament, the whole eye for an eye thing. But in the new testament I am told to love my enemies, and judgement is not mine (somewhere in Corinthians). The Bible is filled with contradictions. For everything you find in the Bible there is an opposite. And the reason she is a very good friend of mine, I can point this out to her and we can have conversation about it without blowing each other up.
 
2005-05-04 05:23:08 PM  
Bullshiat. Jesus specifically said that not one penstroke from the old law was to be removed until heaven and Earth are destroyed.

He also appeared to violate the old law. There must me more too it than what you see at first glance.


Jesus also picked food with his disciples on the sabbath. When questioned about it, he said basically that the sabbath is for the people, the people are not FOR the sabbath.

Supposedly his sacrifice ended the sacrifices relied up on in the old testament, so those factors, lumped in with many other things he said (See: you have been told and eye for an eye, but I say turn the other cheek) pretty much solidify Jesus as a reformer. The new testament doesn't chunk the OT in the trash, but it does dramatically reform it.

Either way, this story is about people in India, where it is often believed a woman would be better dead than raped, so I'm not overly suprised the judge gave her the option, as moronic and sick as it is by western standards.
 
2005-05-04 05:24:02 PM  
slesfo: If you actually read the thing in context, it's clear it is not consensual. The consensual case is described a couple of lines before that.
 
2005-05-04 05:24:13 PM  
jst3p:

He also appeared to violate the old law. There must me more too it than what you see at first glance.

Simple, he wasn't the son of god and the Jews were right.

Or better yet, he's just a farking man and neither of the regilions mean anything.
 
2005-05-04 05:24:16 PM  
How did the Bible, the Torah, et al get in this thread??

Because on FARK, if the Bible or Christianity can in any remote way be brought up it will be. Then it will be mocked. I think it is mandatory or something.
 
2005-05-04 05:25:36 PM  
ok.

chew on these. and then i'm out.

"i have not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it."

jesus never broke any of the laws. not even sabbath. people accused him of it, and he changed some ideas about what it meant to break sabbath, but he never broke it.
 
2005-05-04 05:26:03 PM  
Simple, he wasn't the son of god and the Jews were right.

Or better yet, he's just a farking man and neither of the regilions mean anything.


That would be one possible explanation. I have another idea but to each his own.

I find it interesting how hard believers try to tear down my faith thought. If you really don't believe then isn't my belief harmless to you?

I am not speaking for those trying to legislate thier beliefs, I am only speaking about me individually.
 
2005-05-04 05:27:44 PM  
jst3p: Um, maybe because people brought up the "if you rape her you have to marry her" thing, and people pointed out that particular law came not from India, but from the Bible?
 
2005-05-04 05:27:52 PM  
No that was Jesus,, really
in the sixties and always, hippies are gooood.
 
2005-05-04 05:31:27 PM  
jst3p: Um, maybe because people brought up the "if you rape her you have to marry her" thing, and people pointed out that particular law came not from India, but from the Bible?

Are these people Christian? Then what the old testament says is not really relevant to the thread is it? But here it is..
 
2005-05-04 05:31:37 PM  
Um, maybe because people brought up the "if you rape her you have to marry her" thing, and people pointed out that particular law came not from India, but from the Bible?

Whether or not this originally came from the bible, this is a concept that is upheld culturally all over the east. When i was living in New Zealand there were a lot of immigrants from different eastern countries and I was amazed with the way they spoke of rape victims...as if they were already dead.

Like slavery, where it comes from isn't as important as who is keeping it alive and well.
 
2005-05-04 05:31:43 PM  
jst3p If you really don't believe then isn't my belief harmless to you? I am not speaking for those trying to legislate thier beliefs, I am only speaking about me individually.


I agree. Individually it's your personal belief. Doesn't matter to me. Only those who crave power in the name of their Lord should be smited!
 
2005-05-04 05:31:43 PM  
I am so sorry to any Jewish people I may have offended in my previous post. I know you do not sacrifice a bird when you have your period. It was just an (very poor) example of the differences (sp=drinking) in Judaisism (sp, damn it goes downhill with vodka) between the Jewish and Christian community. Kind of like Christians are better because we accepted Jesus, even though the Jewish abide by much stricter laws. And are Gods chosen people. Damn, I drink to early.
 
2005-05-04 05:33:14 PM  
wow, just about anything can become a religious flamewar

/religion suck-diddly-ucks
 
2005-05-04 05:34:02 PM  
xarlos

"Bailiff, whack his pee-pee."

Okay, I think we need to be a bit more specific...

/inserts the word "off"
 
2005-05-04 05:35:16 PM  
He also appeared to violate the old law. There must me more too it than what you see at first glance.

As I understand it, he didn't violate the law. He reinterpreted it. In some cases, making things less strict, in others, more strict. In every case that I know of, it was in response to attempts to trap and/or discredit him.

In every case I know of, what he said pissed off the people who had exploited the current law to their own benefit... who happened to be the same ones trying to trap him in his words... which really only resulted in making them try harder to trap him. I don't think they ever did.

At least this is how I understand it... I wasn't there, I could be wrong.
 
2005-05-04 05:35:25 PM  

I agree. Individually it's your personal belief. Doesn't matter to me. Only those who crave power in the name of their Lord should be smited!


I know this will be hard for you to believe, but I agree with you.

Considering Jesus claimed the blessed included the meek, the humble, and the poor I wonder how so many Christians can justify being so puffed up and power hungry.

It really boggles my mind...
 
2005-05-04 05:35:43 PM  
i've seen videos in turkish news showing rapists in afghanistan getting machine gunned by relatives of the victim, or rapists in saudi arabia getting stoned to death. these facts can lead us to 2 conclusions, 1; muslim society is usually appropiately brutal towards rapists and 2; turkish news is hardcore.

as a final observation let me say that stoning is one of the worst ways to die(the worst i've heard is shaka zulu putting a woman in a tent with a hungry hyena and sealing her in, 3 days to die screaming all the way), seeing it even on television is a very unsettling experience, it gets imprinted in your brain.
 
2005-05-04 05:37:54 PM  
bbcrackmonkey, where are you? I wanna hear more about this "4 witnesses thing"...

He also referred to Sharia law, claiming "So in effect, the vast majority of rapes in the Islamic world are never reported..."

I never knew that the 800,000,000+ muslims living in non-arab states practiced Sharia. Does Hu Jintao know his government has been replaced?
 
2005-05-04 05:39:09 PM  
"You were so romantic when we first met"
"I raped you!"
"well, at first..."

-Yellowbeard
 
2005-05-04 05:39:29 PM  
You know what really sucks? Female genital mutilation. If you really want to puke about something, that is it.
 
2005-05-04 05:40:19 PM  
I think in Brazil.. or maybe Portugal.. one of those countries... rapists can get off if they agree to marry the victim. My aunt tried to adopt a baby that was the result of a rape like that.

The victim was the daughter of a rich business owner guy, and the guy who raped her basically told her flat out that he was going to marry her and take over her dad's company. She turned down the offer for marriage, but he still got off because he was willing to marry her. Win/win for the rapist, lose/lose for the girl in this case.

I'm glad the US is a country that punishes rape for rape. Big, hairy prison rape. Hopefully without lube.
 
2005-05-04 05:41:03 PM  
gunslinger19
I saw a show about that, just about puked, but I changed the channel instead. FGM is not cool, it's even less cool then rape, and in my opinion a lot more violating for a woman.
 
2005-05-04 05:42:17 PM  
loki see loki do:

"You were so romantic when we first met"
"I raped you!"
"well, at first..."

-Yellowbeard


I love that movie, got to see if it's out on DVD. That and Eric the Viking.
 
2005-05-04 05:43:17 PM  
jst3p:

Considering Jesus claimed the blessed included the meek, the humble, and the poor I wonder how so many Christians can justify being so puffed up and power hungry.

It really boggles my mind...


Confirmation Bias. People read the bible not wanting to know what they should do but to confirm what they've already decided.
 
2005-05-04 05:43:53 PM  
I know its off topic, kind of. Still a form of sexual abuse, that does not get the attention it deserves.
 
2005-05-04 05:45:20 PM  

Confirmation Bias. People read the bible not wanting to know what they should do but to confirm what they've already decided.


Many do. But if you care to look hard enough (not saying you should) you will find that there are some who read it and say "Man, thats tough. I don't like all of it but I will try and do it."
 
2005-05-04 05:45:51 PM  
Damn, I really like to stick to thread at hand, I do, but one thing leads to another.....
Just one person check out female genital mutilation, please.
 
2005-05-04 05:47:01 PM  
Regardless, this dude is a sick fark.
 
2005-05-04 05:48:27 PM  
Damn, I really like to stick to thread at hand, I do, but one thing leads to another.....
Just one person check out female genital mutilation, please.


Yeah, thats some messed up stuff. Glad that one isn't in the Bible as we would never live that one down :P


I saw on some TV special that some tribes in Africa still do it with a sharp rock.

*shudder*
 
2005-05-04 05:49:53 PM  
jst3p

If you really don't believe then isn't my belief harmless to you?

I am not speaking for those trying to legislate thier beliefs, I am only speaking about me individually.


Indeed, why argue over anything then? Pfft...

Why should you try to convert anyone to *your* faith? Because you actually give a little bit of a shiat about people, and you think your way of life is better and they will be better off for it. Or you want them to at least critically consider the option and think about it. Many atheists are just as serious and want to talk about it for the same reason. We can just come off as gruff because it's like banging our heads against a wall, usually, and we get frustrated.

What do you do in real life if you are not interested in people? You stop listening to them. So STFU and quit responding to them. "Why do people keep arguing with me?" It takes two to argue, my friend. Oh, I know why, you actually care about this, and want to defend your faith as a witness to others? You think the way we talk is slanderous, foul, and non-sensical? Sounds a lot like what the atheists are doing above.

Or it could just be that Farkers are a bunch of sanctimonious, egotistical, blasphemous, smarter-than-thou assholes.

/why do I get the feeling most people assume the latter and go on
//some of use really do care about it
 
2005-05-04 05:50:06 PM  
moerty
the worst i've heard is shaka zulu putting a woman in a tent with a hungry hyena

What the hell are you talking about? Shaka Zulu was the Zulu warlord that took over most of South Africa in the first part of the twentieth century. I've never heard of this tent/hyena thing and it sounds made up.

/calling shenanigans
 
2005-05-04 05:51:18 PM  
Good grief everyone has it wrong.

The NT does not trump the OT, nor does not following the OT rules send you on the highway to hell.

Jesus came, explained in further detail what the purpose was behind Mosaic law and put the religious leaders of the time in there place because they had essentially subverted and twisted the law to their own ends.

See back then if you wanted to get to heaven (or glory with god at the time) you had to be pure at your time of death. This usually ment regular temple runs and burnt offerings whereby you would sacrifice a pure animal. The idea being that you were repenting of your sins and placing the punishment on the animal.

Then this Jesus guy came along and rocked the boat. Now instead of having to make temple and sacrifices. Just beleive in him.. he is the messiah.

So in short.. yes Mosaic law sorta still applies to christians but does not mean they are going to hell for breaking it.

I mean hell, I went to school for this crap but any of you could have taken 15 minutes to google the information before sticking your foot promptly in your mouth.
 
2005-05-04 05:51:32 PM  
...The hospital porter gouged her right eye and scarred the nurse's face...

Hey Hadji, leave the skull farking to the professionals.

/hands the one-way ticket to the conductor
 
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