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(Sky.com)   Rapist suggests marrying victim in an attempt to get a lighter sentence. Judge says, "Yeah, that could work, we'll ask her..."   (sky.com) divider line 339
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2005-05-04 03:53:34 PM
rodeofrog: That should immediately set off warning bells about "well, this book is supposed to be inspired by a perfect, all-knowing being, but we're going to ignore most of it and just keep the stuff we like". I don't care whether you believe in Christianity, but at least have the balls to be consistent about it.
 
2005-05-04 03:53:49 PM
Asian Caucasian beat me to it. For those that can't be bothered to look it up:

"If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her; he may not put her away all his days."

So the rapist and the judge were only doing the Christian thing. Now it's time for the girl to do the Christian thing and forgive him.
 
2005-05-04 03:54:05 PM
Animatronik

He should be doing at least 15-20 years hard time.

15-20 years on death row before we give him a blindfold and a cigarette? Or just 15-20 years?
 
2005-05-04 03:54:10 PM
Gobus
/trying too hard to begin flamewar

Agreed. Stay on target. This thread is supposed to be about making ourselves feel superior by pointing out the backward ways of a foreign culture.
 
2005-05-04 03:54:18 PM
My bad Asian man.

"If a man is discovered having relations with a woman who is married to another, both the man and the woman with whom he has had relations shall die. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.
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5 "If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her,
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you shall bring them both out to the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbor's wife. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.
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"If, however, it is in the open fields that a man comes upon such a betrothed maiden, seizes her and has relations with her, the man alone shall die.
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You shall do nothing to the maiden, since she is not guilty of a capital offense. This case is like that of a man who rises up against his neighbor and murders him:
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it was in the open fields that he came upon her, and though the betrothed maiden may have cried out for help, there was no one to come to her aid.
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"If a man comes upon a maiden that is not betrothed, takes her and has relations with her, and their deed is discovered,
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the man who had relations with her shall pay the girl's father fifty silver shekels and take her as his wife, because he has deflowered her. Moreover, he may not divorce her as long as he lives.
 
2005-05-04 03:54:34 PM
I read the headline, and my first thought was "Must be in Utah." Dunno why.

/would never live in Utah


For some reason, Atomic Orgy, I don't imagine Utah's losing a lot of sleep over your opinion of it.
 
2005-05-04 03:54:49 PM
Atomic Orgy

I read the headline, and my first thought was "Must be in Utah." Dunno why.


Hmmm...I read the headline and figured it had to be a Muslim country. And turns out I was right.
 
2005-05-04 03:55:21 PM
That is Luke and Laura from General Hospital.
Luke raped her.
Then they got married in a fairy tale wedding that the whole world watched.
Theirs is a love to last throughout the ages.

//off to join seppuku with Joe Don Faker


I was a college freshman in 1981 when Luke and Laura got married and living in a coed dorm. I'd come back to the dorm after ECON 101, walk through the lobby on my way to my room and do my level best to avoid the throngs of students (women AND men) crying over the TV set. People actually scheduled their classes around GH. Damn ...

///Joe Don and buntz, can I borrow the short sword when y'all are done with it?
 
2005-05-04 03:56:28 PM
In fairness to Christians, most rules of the Old Testament were repealed. So, this is apparently all the Jews fault

/just kidding
//I'm nowhere near coherent
 
2005-05-04 03:56:54 PM
suebhoney: Castration, it's the only way to be sure.

no, but decapitation would be (hint, a penis is not required to commit rape, and rapists are often after power not sexual gratification)
 
2005-05-04 03:57:04 PM
In a country where this is even a question, it is right for the judge to ask the victim for an answer. If more judges did this maybe they all could get it out of their heads that rape victims have ANY desire to marry their rapists.

BTW, she still might get burned alive in an honor killing for this. What a disgusting horribly dishonored family to have a disfigured raped girl. Who would willingly want to marry or be friends with that?
 
2005-05-04 03:57:13 PM
Lakedaimonios: Ah, the saga of Luke and Laura brought to the real world.

Man, the first time I read that as "the saga of Luke and Leia." I thought I must've missed the part of the trilogy where Luke raped his sister.

 
2005-05-04 03:57:22 PM
It's not news, it's troll.com

/off to get some popcorn
 
2005-05-04 03:57:29 PM
rodeofrog
For some reason, Atomic Orgy, I don't imagine Utah's losing a lot of sleep over your opinion of it.

Probably not, but I'm not terribly concerned with Utah's opinion of me either, so it's all good. :)
 
2005-05-04 03:57:44 PM
FLMountainMan: It's in Deuteronomy, verse 22:

"[28] If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
[29] Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
[30] A man shall not take his father's wife, nor discover his father's skirt."

The bracketed numbers are line numbers.
 
2005-05-04 03:58:19 PM
[i]Hmmm...I read the headline and figured it had to be a Muslim country. And turns out I was right.[/i]

more of a hindu country actually
 
2005-05-04 03:58:42 PM
Solia
The judge deferred to the victim's response and assessment of what should be done with the rapist, and then followed through with her recommendation.

No, the victim recommended that he be "hanged so that such an horrendous is not repeated with any other girl". The judge gave him life in prison.

Victim impact reports are a normal and beneficial part of criminal proceedings in many parts of the world, and often have an impact on sentencing - either in severity or leniency - depending on what the victim has to say.

Being summoned to reply to your rapists marriage proposal is a completely different thing.
 
2005-05-04 03:58:54 PM
Interesting, but not surprising, that the verse seems so male-oriented. It basically tells the guy, "you raped her, now you have to marry her and live with her forever." No consideration that the woman might not find this arrangement all that swell.
 
2005-05-04 03:58:54 PM
In the bible "rape" refers to sex out of wedlock more than "physically sexually assaulted".

So it's like if a girl has pre-marital sex, she should marry the man because otherwise she's Mary Magadalen....or something like that.
 
2005-05-04 03:58:57 PM
Contrafabulous Flaptration: India is a Mulsim country? News to the Hindus...
 
2005-05-04 04:00:11 PM
It also says in the bible not to eat pork, but Christians don't listen to that either.

This thread is making me sick.

//wonder if some of the asshat farkers would make jokes if their mothers/wives/daughters were raped
 
2005-05-04 04:00:25 PM
Asian Caucasian
I'm pretty sure Deuteronomy is in the Old Testament, which makes it way pre-Jesus. Know at least the most basic facts before you shoot your mouth off and insult a bunch of people's religion next time, mkay?
 
2005-05-04 04:00:32 PM
Contrabulous Flabtraption
Hmmm...I read the headline and figured it had to be a Muslim country. And turns out I was right.

No you weren't. (pops)

"With the origins of Hinduism and Buddhism in India, religion is considered to be extremely important. Of the two religions, Hinduism is infinitely more popular, with an incredible 82 percent of the population practicing it." (from the link)

/just sayin'
 
2005-05-04 04:00:54 PM
The hospital porter gouged her right eye and scarred the nurse's face. She has undergone surgery four times since the attack.

I nominate this guy for scum of the year.
 
2005-05-04 04:01:00 PM
FLMountainMan: Not repealed, but more overridden. Jesus basically said "to the extent that what I say contridicts the Torah, my stuff takes priority".
 
2005-05-04 04:01:15 PM
I still can't believe such a smooth guy needed to rape someone.
 
2005-05-04 04:01:24 PM
heliosc: India is a Mulsim country? News to the Hindus...

I believe they have the 3rd largest muslim population of any contry.
 
2005-05-04 04:01:50 PM
You're right, I was wrong.
 
2005-05-04 04:02:08 PM
Actual western India has a good number of muslims, as does the eastern part. The west is bleeding over from muslim Pakistan, the east from muslim Bangladesh, Myanmarr, etc.
 
2005-05-04 04:02:13 PM
Doc Daneeka
said:
I thought I must've missed the part of the trilogy where Luke raped his sister.

Don't worry, you wouldn't know because that happens in episode III.

/already has his handbasket picked out
 
2005-05-04 04:02:47 PM
Atomic Orgy:

Contrabulous Flabtraption
Hmmm...I read the headline and figured it had to be a Muslim country. And turns out I was right.

No you weren't. (pops)

"With the origins of Hinduism and Buddhism in India, religion is considered to be extremely important. Of the two religions, Hinduism is infinitely more popular, with an incredible 82 percent of the population practicing it." (from the link)

/just sayin'


OWNED!....by facts.
 
2005-05-04 04:02:51 PM
Programmer Cat:

15-20 years on death row before we give him a blindfold and a cigarette? Or just 15-20 years?



I say turn him into a woman and release him as a marked tramp in Iraq
 
2005-05-04 04:02:53 PM
Can we poke fun at the appropriate religion now? This Christian and Muslim stuff is so another thread.
 
2005-05-04 04:03:24 PM
Deuteronomy 22:28

Bible says you gotta do it. I hope he remembers to pay the father too.
 
2005-05-04 04:03:31 PM
ScreamingDolai: But that's consistent, because Jesus said that his words override the Old Testament, and he explicitly did away with dietary restrictions. Nowhere in the New Testement does he override the punishment for rape. Ergo, it is presumsed that the one given in Deuteronomy stands.

Remember, its not like Jesus said "okay, the Old Testement doesn't count anymore!"
 
2005-05-04 04:03:32 PM
vyce

In the bible "rape" refers to sex out of wedlock more than "physically sexually assaulted".

is there a glossary of terms in the bible that I missed?
 
2005-05-04 04:04:11 PM
I bet you the Runaway Bride's fiancee would still take her.
 
2005-05-04 04:04:26 PM
The bible says a lot of things, okay. Even snake-handlers don't expect everything in the bible to be directly applied to daily life.

"Isn't this in the bible?" I ought to call a few she-bears out to maul you pagans.


The law was passed down by Moses, who was divinely inspired, so technically it come from God. Funny how when someone points how something horrible in the bible, everyone yells that it "was taken out of context" or that it "no longer applies". If God is the same as he is today, yesterday, and forever, then the old laws should be treated with respect by Christians today. Even Jesus said he hasn't come to destroy the laws. "Give unto Caeser..."
 
2005-05-04 04:04:45 PM
losterato: That makes India a "muslim country" about as much as it makes the United States a "jewish country".
 
2005-05-04 04:05:41 PM
smeegle


I say turn him into a woman and release him as a marked tramp in Iraq


I got a better idea. Give him to Lyndie England and let her make this rapist her biatch.
 
2005-05-04 04:05:46 PM
FLMountainMan

Anyone have the passage in the Bible that says this? Seem to be an awful lot of theologians here...

Not really. More like "I saw a bible once so I know what I am talking about" theologians.

I don't think castration is the answer. Something tells me he would accept castration as a punishment, as opposed to his death or life in prison. So in that respect, Firing squad - no blindfold - one shot at a time - you guess where to shoot first. Anyone who saw sin city have any ideas?
 
2005-05-04 04:06:12 PM
heliosc

I don't care whether you believe in Christianity, but at least have the balls to be consistent about it.

Gasp. I never once thought that the bible may have passages that seem to contradict other passages. I bow to your wisdom, you mighty scholar of consistency. Come to think of it, how could Jesus be a Jew, but break the sabbath? And why did God want the children of Israel to kill so many folk? Circumcision, what's the deal? Now, that I think about it, some days it rains, but other days, it's totally sunny. WTF??!??

You've given me a lot to think about, Captain Nobible. Mythology is confusing.
 
2005-05-04 04:06:26 PM
heliosc: because he hath humbled her

humbled her? you have got to be kidding me.
 
2005-05-04 04:07:10 PM
weezeman: Eh, more like had to read the Bible for class in highschool. Yes, they still do that in Virginia. We read it as "a work of literature".

That said, it's still a good idea. It's shocking how poorly educated American "Christians" are about their own religion...
 
2005-05-04 04:08:07 PM
"Bailiff, whack his pee-pee."
 
2005-05-04 04:08:17 PM
Programmer Cat:

got a better idea. Give him to Lyndie England and let her make this rapist her biatch


GadNabbit Cat I almost chocked on my lollipop that time. Stop it before I squeek a fart out.
 
2005-05-04 04:09:04 PM
R... T... F'ing... A...
 
2005-05-04 04:09:04 PM
That actually would be a strong deterrant to rape. Sort of, "You broke it, you bought it".
 
2005-05-04 04:09:27 PM
what's the backup on the seppuku sword? My shame in knowing this knows no bounds
 
2005-05-04 04:09:57 PM
rodeofrog: I'm not saying that the Bible is inconsistent. Following a certain logic, it's remarkably consistent. My beef is with people who claim to believe the Bible (ie: they follow that logic), but don't accept the logical implications of that belief. It's like saying "I accept that idea of addition, and I agree that 2+2=4, but I refuse to believe that 2+3=5!"
 
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