Follow me doen this merry little path.

Say I was a Quaker. Plenty of nice people have been Quakers. Suffragist Alice Paul was a Quaker. Richard Nixon was a Quaker.

Quakers are pacifists (you here that, Nixon? PACIFISTS!). They don't believe in violence as a means to an end.

So you know what? If I were a Quaker, I wouldn't join the army. My duties would conflict with my beliefs.

Say I was Amish. Amish seem to be nice people. Amish don't believe in modern technology, they believe it distracts from the humble life God means for us. They don't drive automobiles or use telephones.

So you know what? If I were Amish, I wouldn't become a truck driver. My duties would conflict with my beliefs.

Say I was a Catholic Pro-life farktard. Catholic Pro-life farktards believe life is sacred. They're even logical about it, unlike those Christian Fundie farktards, and oppose the death penalty. They don't believe in any contraception, especially not birth control pills.

So you know what? I have no farking business becoming a Pharmacist, where my duties are to hand out whatever goddamn pills the Doctor tells me to.

These bastards had better STFU. It can't be that damn hard to design a machine that can move pills from big bottles to small bottles, and slap a label on it that says "take twice a day with food"

See what happens when you re-elect Bush.

A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence:
This is an isolated incident that does not need government legislation.

From the article:
No one knows how many pharmacists in Minnesota or nationwide are declining to fill contraceptive prescriptions. But both sides in the debate say they are hearing more reports of such incidents -- and they predict that conflicts at drugstore counters are bound to increase.


Are we reading from the same site?

better nip this behavior in the bud or we will all be victims of some other idiot who believes that their personal beliefs allow them to make decisions such as this one. If I Managed the Pharmacy, she would be canned immediately. then I would take home some vicodin and relax

rob.d

"I would firstly recommend finding another pharmacy. Next, does the state LICENSE these guys? If so, they have an obligation to follow the rules as set down by the state (less they loose their license).
The simple goal right now should be to get the licesens for these guys revoked, we'll see how they feel when they loose their living standards.
Doctors and Pharacists have an obligation to serve. If you cannot handle that, stop being a doctor or a pharmacists and do something else.
Simple.
rob"

Simple minded thinking maybe. You cannot legislate that a phramacist give out ANY drug. You can only tell them what they can give out. If a Rx does not want to dispense a drug then go to another farking phramicist. You have the power. Why does it matter to you what this pharmacist decides to dispense? Do you care if the tire store down the street will not carry Firestone because they hate Roy Firestone?

Tyee: This pharmacist shouldn't be forced to do something she believes is wrong and immoral.

Nobody is forcing her to do anything. She took the job voluntarily. If she can't perform the duties affiliated with that job, she should expect to be fired. Then she can voluntarily go find a job that is a little more appropriate for her arrogant ass.

Vorticity the Monkey: I then watch people like you lambast the vegan for pushing her agenda on other people.

Again, I think you have me confused with someone else. I'd lambaste the vegan simply for being a vegan.

Is this pharmacist married? If so, does she have children? if not, why not? Has she ever in her life taken steps to prevent having children, including the rythum (can't spell, incensed) method? If she's not married, is she a virgin? I am so sick and tired of these pharmacists taking this "moral" stance when I bet the majority of them did not come as virgins to the marriage bed and have taken steps to prevent having children. Hypocrisy

I would sooooooooo kick her in the box and shove her for making "moral" decisions on someone else's behalf. Look to the log in your own eye...

If the pharmacist owns the pharmacy, I believe they can do as they damn well please. I personally may consider him/her an asshole, but that is beside the point.

If the pharmacist works for a company, the company makes the rules, and the employee follows them or leaves the company.

untrustworthy
"Nobody is forcing her to do anything. She took the job voluntarily. If she can't perform the duties affiliated with that job, she should expect to be fired. Then she can voluntarily go find a job that is a little more appropriate for her arrogant ass."

What about the restraunt down the street from me that refuses to sell alcohol. Should they be put out of business because they opened the restraunt voluntarilly?

ArcadianRefugee

I suggest you baste the vegan. They tend to dry out.

It is the discriminatee's status that matters, not the religious belief of the discriminator. A business can't say "we don't serve Catholics." A business can base business decisions on its Catholic beliefs, unless the decision would be contrary to law.

Yes and it is here as the person who isn't getting her pills is being discriminated against because her religious beliefs (that BC is okay) don't conform to the religious beliefs of the pharmacist (that BC is not okay). It doesn't have to come down to sectarian identification. Religious conviction is the sole basis for the decision, so it violates the statute.

What about the restraunt down the street from me that refuses to sell alcohol. Should they be put out of business because they opened the restraunt voluntarilly?


She wasn't refusing to sell the BC because of company policy. There's a huge difference between this situation and what happened with her.

Help this dumbass find a new career. By firing her.

A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence: I like freedom, don't you?


Would you be willing to defend that stance with your life? Say if you were not a "trust fund baby" and instead were in a rural area with access only to one pharmacy. You don't have the money to drive an hour or two away to the next pharmacy. Now let's say you have a prinzmetal angina and if you don't fill your nitro inhaler you will die.

Maybe this will happen to you if you are lucky. Then you can die for your beliefs.

Hang On Voltaire: What about the restraunt down the street from me that refuses to sell alcohol. Should they be put out of business because they opened the restraunt voluntarilly?

No one said anything about the pharmacy going out of business. If the restaurant down the street did sell alcohol and a bartender refused to sell them, (s)he should be canned. The bigger question is why a tea-totaler would become a bartender in the first place, other than to be a self-rightous prick.

We know what this naughty little vixen likes to do.

Hang on Voltaire
"What about the restraunt down the street from me that refuses to sell alcohol. Should they be put out of business because they opened the restraunt voluntarilly?"

There is a difference between not getting a bud light with your salad and birth control for your lifestyle.

Besides, do you really want a lecture everytime you buy something that somebody else thinks is pure evil?

Hang On Voltaire

What about the restraunt down the street from me that refuses to sell alcohol. Should they be put out of business because they opened the restraunt voluntarilly?

Again, I claim bad analogy. If I am denied alcohol at a restaurant, I will not die or become sick. If I am denied medication based on some farktard's religious beliefs, there is a chance that something life-threatening could occur. Keep in mind that not all uses for the pill are related to birth control.

I can understand her not wanting to have any part in it, even though the decision was already made. I am a lawyer, and also a notary public. We don't charge anyone who comes to us to have something notarized (we find they appreciate it and sometimes when they need a lawyer, they will call us).

Several months ago a woman came to the office with her 15-year-old daughter, with a consent form for the daughter to have an abortion, which has to be notarized. They were both crying. I felt very sorry for them, but I didn't want to be any part of that, even if all I was doing was notarizing their application. So I told them I was sorry but I couldn't help them. I am not a fundie, I just don't want to have even a ministerial part in an abortion.

There are a lot of lawyers, notaries, and pharmacists. I think it's utter bullshiat to say this pharmacist should be disciplined by the state licensing authority, as some have suggested, any more than the bar association should suspend my law license or notary privileges because I turned that woman away with her 15-year-old. These are commercial transactions and require both people to consent.

I do think if the employer wants to fire the pharmacist, it's their right to do so; and if she knew their policy in advance she could/should have gotten another job.

Your rights end where mine begin. Ideology has nothing do do with it, and there is nothing else to discuss.

GIS for not this shiat again:

hereinNC: If their employer stocks it, they must fill it.


If the charges do not fit, then you must acquit.

Check your religion at the door from 9-5.

After 5, feel free to be an ignorant ass.

I do not know if this has been mentioned yet (at work, can't read whole thread), but birth control pills are often prescribed for medical conditions (ovarian cysts to name one).

If a pharmacist refuses to fill a prescription for a medically prescribed drug then they should have their license revoked. End of Story.

Yep, the Christians are at it once again. Setting up their own codes of conduct for everyone else, even non-Christians, to follow.

The Romans had the right idea.

soze: Jesus Christ. You're really not getting the fact that birth control is not the only reason these pills are prescribed, are you.

Whoa, how did I miss that one?

No, I am not "getting" it as I "got" it well before this thread started. Not quite sure how you came to that conclusion based on a single post (versus all the others I've made).

Anyway...

EverCompromised: I suggest you baste the vegan.

Dammit! And here I intentionally avoided that pun ....

Yeah, EverCompromised - she likes to regulate her monthly cycle with legally prescribed medications, and is having trouble doing so because somebody has a bee up their butt about her doing so.

We're glad you summarized that point so succinctly, we thank you for your contribution, and you are free to go play in traffic again. Cheers!

Sadly, the Righties who support this don't see they are making a stronger case for universal healthcare.

Give me a break! Do your job or get fired. No one cares what your stupid beliefs are when they're trying to get a prescription. Find another job if you don't like it.

EverCompromised

We know what this naughty little vixen likes to do.

What, not have her endo flare up? Have regular periods? Not have terrifying acne? I'm sorry, there are so many uses for those pills, I'm having trouble narrowing it down.

Hang On Voltaire: What about the restraunt down the street from me that refuses to sell alcohol. Should they be put out of business because they opened the restraunt voluntarilly?

If the restaurant doesn't want to serve alcohol, fine. If business drops off to the point that they go out of business, fine. But this isn't the same thing as an employee electing to not fulfill the duties affiliated with their job.

Besides, we are talking about a pharmacy where substances that have been prescribed by a doctor are being dispensed. Is it ok for a pharmacist to not give someone their heart medication because it was tested on animals? What if it is an emergency? If someone died because a pharmacist (who is responsible for the safety of its customers as a liaison of the customer's doctor) decided not to hand out needed medication because of their morals, would that be ok?

I personally find it morally repugnant that people must pay for perscription drugs.

You have money you live, you don't have money you die.

pharmacist should be forcibly impregnated by a devil worshipper

mama's_tasty_foods:

2005-05-03 03:24:22 PM mama's_tasty_foods

I can understand her not wanting to have any part in it, even though the decision was already made. I am a lawyer, and also a notary public. We don't charge anyone who comes to us to have something notarized (we find they appreciate it and sometimes when they need a lawyer, they will call us).

Several months ago a woman came to the office with her 15-year-old daughter, with a consent form for the daughter to have an abortion, which has to be notarized. They were both crying. I felt very sorry for them, but I didn't want to be any part of that, even if all I was doing was notarizing their application. So I told them I was sorry but I couldn't help them. I am not a fundie, I just don't want to have even a ministerial part in an abortion.

There are a lot of lawyers, notaries, and pharmacists. I think it's utter bullshiat to say this pharmacist should be disciplined by the state licensing authority, as some have suggested, any more than the bar association should suspend my law license or notary privileges because I turned that woman away with her 15-year-old. These are commercial transactions and require both people to consent.

I do think if the employer wants to fire the pharmacist, it's their right to do so; and if she knew their policy in advance she could/should have gotten another job.


Isn't that nice...you sent a 15 y/o away crying....im sure that the kid will be loved and well adjusted when it grows up...it's mother doesn't want it..and you made the decision for her...

mediaho

I'm morally opposed to self-righteous cnuts.

Hey! I resemble that remark! In name only, I have no religious convictions whatsoever, nor am I what you would consider a righteous man. In fact, I am morally bankrupt.

Nothing like protecting freedom by advocating burning people at the stake.

ArcadianRefugee

I recommend you try reading the full comment of 2005-05-03 01:26:49 PM before replying to it next time. If you call women who take BC "whores", I'm going to assume that you don't understand that BC has multiple purposes.

Leonard_Cohen: I personally find it morally repugnant that people must pay for perscription drugs.

You have money you live, you don't have money you die.

Welcome to the real world. I hope you enjoy your stay.

A Midnight Bout is kind of a jerk.

illadelfian
can't you read? they were crying when they came in.

"the_whitney_brown

"If the pharmacy in question sells condoms and other method of birth control, the pharmacist has no basis to refuse to fill the prescription. Imo, the store can refuse to sell contraception altogether, but unless it's STORE policy, I don't take kindly to its employees determining what they will and won't do based on moral or any other personal grounds."

Then, once again, DON'T FUC*KING SHOP THERE

"Imagine if McDonalds refused a fat person a Big Mac?
Or if a Jewish waiter refused to serve a pork dish at a restaurant?
Same idea, imo.
Gimme a break, folks."

Exactly. The Jewish waiter can quit. The Rx here can quit. But if the restraunt has no problem with the Jewish waiter refusing to handle pork then it is none of your farking business and you can refuse to eat there.

mama's_tasty_foods

You're only proving this woman more wrong. If she would just give out the damned pills, the person who wanted them would not have to worry about abortions.

EverCompromised: We know what this naughty little vixen likes to do.

Get her Rx filled?

/ba-dum

Like Bill Maher said (paraphrased): On the medical profession totem pole, pharmacists fall somewhere below a Chiropractor and just above a tree surgeon.

You have money you live, you don't have money you die.

LOL @ how the real (READ: Not ideal) world works.

Is this going to turn into a Christian-Bashing flame war? 'Cus we all know you hate us, for some reason.

But we don't know exactly what religion this pharmacist was, so maybe next time?