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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Minnesota pharmacist refuses to fill birth-control prescription because she's morally opposed to it   (startribune.com) divider line 1077
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2005-05-03 11:59:28 AM  
Time to find another Pharmacy
 
kcm
2005-05-03 12:03:19 PM  
paging GraphicAddiction, GraphicAddiction to the flamewar please.
 
2005-05-03 12:05:06 PM  
What's really sad is that I have people in my pharmacy school who I can point at and say "That person is going to end up in the news because of their "moral opposition" to some pregnancy altering drug".

Retail pharmacy is dead anyway. Clinical care is where all the cool people go.
 
2005-05-03 12:06:58 PM  
Um... How about "STFU and do your job, biatch". Or be fired. It's not that complicated.

I wish I could show up and refuse to edit bio-medical books because I'm morally opposed to viewing other people's lesions and sores. Instead, I'd find my ass fired without a qualm.
 
2005-05-03 12:07:34 PM  
Time to find another Pharmacy

I don't think any other pharmacy would want to hire someone who refuses to sell to customers for any reason. It's bad for business.

/returns to reality
//cries
 
2005-05-03 12:09:02 PM  
I think the state Boards of Pharmacy should get involved.

These patients are trying to fill a legally prescribed pharmaceutical. Pharmacists who refuse to fill it should have their licenses suspended or revoked.

We all do things in our jobs we don't necessarily agree with. We do them because they're our jobs!

/Hops off soapbox
 
2005-05-03 12:09:09 PM  
I'm morally opposed to being denied birth-control.
 
2005-05-03 12:09:47 PM  
If it's a medical business then it should be treated and regulated as such. Leave personal opinions to businesses that sell items like lawn chairs or shirts.
 
2005-05-03 12:10:28 PM  
I'm morally opposed to self-righteous cnuts.
 
2005-05-03 12:10:31 PM  
Stay tuned for the devout Catholic fire fighters that refuse to put out a burning house because two "homasek-chewals" live there and it's against their beliefs to comfort and support that lifestyle...
 
2005-05-03 12:11:00 PM  
Good for the pharmacist.

I like freedom, don't you?
 
2005-05-03 12:11:24 PM  
You will get someone in the thread who will say it is their right to refuse. If the pharmacy stocks the medication, then it should be dispensed. They do have the ability to refuse prescriptions however those are for controlled medications and semi-controlled (such as codeine cough syrup).
 
kcm
2005-05-03 12:12:13 PM  
pharmacists do not have the freedom to interfere with medication that is prescribed for a patient and the doctor's orders.
 
2005-05-03 12:12:41 PM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence: Good for the pharmacist.

I agree. Don't like it, go to another pharmacy.
 
2005-05-03 12:14:12 PM  
Atvar: Where I used to live, I didn't have that option. I'd have had to drive 2 hours to get to another pharmacy on my insurance plan.
 
2005-05-03 12:14:18 PM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence: I like freedom, don't you?

I usually know better than to try to have a discussion with you, but do you think it would be okay for the pharmacist to deny physician prescribed herpes medication because she is morally opposed to people whoring around?
 
kcm
2005-05-03 12:14:52 PM  
the pharmacy has the right not to stock a certain medication, of course. individual pharmacists cannot make a decision ad-hoc about filling or not filling an Rx for something that is requested that they carry. I'm not sure how that would work were you to try to paramatarize it, though.
 
2005-05-03 12:15:15 PM  
A pharmacist probably isn't the best choice of careers for someone with such *high* morals.
 
2005-05-03 12:17:35 PM  
I'm morally opposed to medical care providers who want to do their job selectively.

What next? Will she be morally opposed to filling a prescription for a black person?
 
2005-05-03 12:17:53 PM  
A free market will take care of this shiat.
 
kcm
2005-05-03 12:18:32 PM  
it's hard for me to say this, but I would oppose legal restrictions on this. I have no problem with a Christian (snort) pharmacy that doesn't stock birth control of any kind, and refuses to fill such Rx. I also have no problem with a pharmacist that believes this but does not work at a similar pharmacy, but the Rx should be then filled by a pharmacist that is OK with filling it at the same pharmacy. the only problems I have are with the stories I've heard of these asshats ripping up Rxs or similar, since that's obstruction.
 
2005-05-03 12:19:03 PM  
mediaho do you think it would be okay for the pharmacist to deny physician prescribed herpes medication because she is morally opposed to people whoring around?

Or better yet, denying you access to AZT because (in his opinion) you got it through that deviltry, homosexual sex, even if you got it from say..a blood transfusion.

Birth control is not a pharmacist decision, and having been a pharmacy tech in high school, many scripts for birth control also are for ovarian cysts, menstrual irregularities, and other problems.
 
2005-05-03 12:19:36 PM  
kcm: the pharmacy has the right not to stock a certain medication, of course.

I agree. If she is so morally opposed to it, she shouldn't even be an option for a doctor to send his/her patients to. Maybe she likes the power trip and media attention.
 
kcm
2005-05-03 12:19:52 PM  
I would also fire a pharmacist that refused this sort of thing should I happen to own the store, unless they were helpful in finding an alternate person to fill the Rx. I let you have your beliefs as long as I can have mine. hinder the person looking for the Rx and you're out of here.
 
2005-05-03 12:19:57 PM  
I'm assuming she's white and she wouldn't have any moral opposition to a black customer requesting the pill.

It's just the selfish gene rearing it's ugly head again.
 
2005-05-03 12:20:51 PM  
I'm too busy to put up with a pharmacist's bullshiat. Just fill it - save the drama for yo' mama!
 
2005-05-03 12:21:02 PM  
Good for the pharmacist

Whatever. Maybe the lady getting the prescription has a condition that would mean death or serious illness should she get pregnant. It is possible that the lady getting the prescription has a disease that she does not want to pass on to children. The pharmacist doesn't know this, and has no business telling the patient what they can and can't take, that is for the doctor to decide.

Have whatever morals you want, just keep them to yourself.
 
2005-05-03 12:21:25 PM  
A green light for a story that requires registration? WTF?
 
2005-05-03 12:21:59 PM  
Maybe it's the fact that I can't even wrap my head around being hired to do a job, then arbitrarily deciding, on your own, what parts of that job you will and will not do.

Am I still in the Real World? Or have I never been in the Real World and work my ass off doing even what I don't want to at my job because that's what I thought I had to do?

This could explain why my fellow assistant makes her own priorities...

Can just anyone start doing that? Legally?

Wow.

I just blew my own mind.
 
2005-05-03 12:22:08 PM  
Nougat: I'm assuming she's white and she wouldn't have any moral opposition to a black customer requesting the pill.

That's a pretty big assumption there, fella.
 
2005-05-03 12:22:43 PM  
The only time this is acceptable, in my opinion, is in the increasingly rare case of a privately-owned and operated pharmacy, where the owner agrees with the pharmacist's stance. It's the owner's business, and if the owner chooses to not stock a particular product, that's the owner's perogative.

However, if you're a clock-punching pill counter for a chain? STFU and give out the medicine or quit your job. If you worked at McDonald's and decided "Meat is Murder" you'd be fired. If you worked at a car dealership and decided that selling foreign cars was wrong, you'd be fired. You don't fill a legal prescription because of your personal beliefs, then don't cry to me when you're espousing those beliefs on the unemployment line.

And any pharmacist that tore up my prescription sheet would be wiping his ass with hooks.
 
2005-05-03 12:22:54 PM  
My sister had a miscarriage recently, and for her safety, the doctor prescribed birth control.

If the pharmacist refused to fill this prescription on moral grounds, I would have climbed over the counter and filled the prescription for her.

It's not the pharmacist's decision. It's the doctor's.
 
2005-05-03 12:23:35 PM  
Rock Lobster: Maybe it's the fact that I can't even wrap my head around being hired to do a job, then arbitrarily deciding, on your own, what parts of that job you will and will not do.

Why not? These same assmonkeys pick and choose which parts of their Moral Code Handbook they choose to believe and follow.
 
2005-05-03 12:24:06 PM  
I think pharmacists that refuse to do their job should be fired. Period.

"look here is some work for you to do."
"don't wanna do it, i don't like it."
"you're fired, then."

When did common sense take a flying leap out the window?
 
2005-05-03 12:24:16 PM  
I find the irony in here interesting. It seems that those who would be screaming for the government to not interfere with a women's right to choose are screaming for the government to interfere with this pharmacist's right to choose.

/not taking sides on the birth control-abortion rights issue.
 
2005-05-03 12:24:18 PM  
Where I used to live, I didn't have that option. I'd have had to drive 2 hours to get to another pharmacy on my insurance plan.

Then drive. Or move. Or tell your friends not to go to that pharmacy and maybe it will go out of business.

There is a plethora of sound options you could take that don't involve taking away a person's freedoms.
 
2005-05-03 12:25:35 PM  
BigKahuna: The pharmacist has the right to choose, and as a result keep or lose their job. It's not like "a woman's right to choose" doesn't come with consequences too.
 
2005-05-03 12:26:09 PM  
Sort of like a rabid vegetarian getting a job at the gun counter in a sporting goods store and refusing to sell anything that could be used to kill animals.

Give me a f*cking break.
 
2005-05-03 12:26:12 PM  
Of course if this person were fired for not doing their job, David Limbaugh and others like him would be shouting about anti-Christian persecution and prejudice.
 
2005-05-03 12:26:52 PM  
I wonder if the pharmasist fills narcotic prescriptions? You know, the ones with Elvis' doctor.

Or is it only prescriptions involving dirty filthy sex?
 
2005-05-03 12:26:53 PM  
This particular customer asked for birth control, not RU-486 (or the "morning after" pill).

Besides being a zealotous coont, this biatch doesn't even know how birth control actually works. No life is created, no life is aborted.

You religious types are making it harder and harder to tolerate you every day.
 
2005-05-03 12:27:12 PM  
I usually know better than to try to have a discussion with you, but do you think it would be okay for the pharmacist to deny physician prescribed herpes medication because she is morally opposed to people whoring around?

It's his/her job. If they want to risk their job security by alienating a few customers, then they should be free to do so.
 
2005-05-03 12:27:23 PM  
Why is she opposed to just that one drug? Isn't taking any medication against God's will? I mean God gave you the condition and if you take something to prevent/cure that condition goes against his plan.
 
2005-05-03 12:28:04 PM  
Cowboy Spencer: Exactly. But, I'm not making an argument. Just an observation.
 
2005-05-03 12:28:08 PM  
A Midnight Bout of Frenzied Concupiscence:

Then drive. Or move. Or tell your friends not to go to that pharmacy and maybe it will go out of business.

There is a plethora of sound options you could take that don't involve taking away a person's freedoms.


Those don't seem like sound options to me. Be realistic. The first requires a four-hour round trip. The second requires an enormous amount of effort, finding a new job, relocation. The third is even less sound--with only one pharmacy in the area, you suggest trying to run that pharmacy out of business?

Yes, there are other options. But none that you listed are sound by any means.
 
2005-05-03 12:28:10 PM  
tiefling: Good thinking. I envision a "God wants you to have headaches - just say no to aspirin" bumper sticker.
 
2005-05-03 12:29:02 PM  
Whatever. Maybe the lady getting the prescription has a condition that would mean death or serious illness should she get pregnant.

Then she can go elsewhere. And the pharmacy loses business. That's how a free market works.
 
2005-05-03 12:29:48 PM  
Well, I can state from my perspective that the pharmacy I used would not go out of business. Why? Because it was the sole pharmacy run by the HMO in town. The HMO supplied most of the health coverage to university employees (the major sector of employment in my town).

The problem with the free market idea is that it assumes people have unlimited access to the market, which they don't.
 
2005-05-03 12:29:52 PM  
smackem, there are religious people who simply don't believe in birth control, period. They feel it interferes with God's plan, or something, which is why you'll find a lot of Monty Python skits about the religious couples with eighty kids. ;)

So, it may not have anything to do with abortion, but I can't be sure. I'm at work, dont' have BugMeNot on this computer.
 
2005-05-03 12:30:18 PM  
If the pharmacist refused to fill this prescription on moral grounds, I would have climbed over the counter and filled the prescription for her.


And I'd say the police would be justified for locking you up.
 
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