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(The Scotsman)   Scottish prisoners being given methadone to wean them back onto heroin before release. Yes, back onto heroin.   (thescotsman.co.uk) divider line 86
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2002-03-30 04:07:17 PM
Oh.
 
2002-03-30 04:09:52 PM
Fantastic.
 
2002-03-30 04:10:05 PM
Why not just give them something so pure their first high kills them? It would save so much in the long run.
 
2002-03-30 04:11:28 PM
Why are they worried about ex-cons dying during parole?
1.) less funding needed for parole officers.
2.) Less repeat offenders.
 
2002-03-30 04:12:21 PM
Hmmmmmmmmm.

I'd be curious to see more hard statistics on how many parolees are actually dying from overdoses. I'm guessing it's pretty high for Scotland to take a step like this?

Thing is, hard-core drug abuse is kindof like poverty, it's a cycle, and you can't break it by just making the drugs inaccessable for 6 months.
 
2002-03-30 04:12:38 PM
If there going to spend money on drugs, why not the type they use for lethal injections?
 
2002-03-30 04:12:45 PM
 
2002-03-30 04:12:50 PM
"Los Angeles County prion convicts are being given squirt guns and nylon stockings, the L.A. Times can report, if they tell their parole board that they are likely to return to armed robbery before their release." Makes you wonder what they do for rapists.
 
2002-03-30 04:13:00 PM
But Scotland Against Drugs spokesman Alistair Ramsay said the system, although controversial, should be given a fair chance. He said: "I'm sure the public will react very badly to this, but it's got to be seen as part of the bigger picture.

"The dilemma the prison service has is that people leaving prison often overdose and die because they have lost their tolerance to their drug of choice.

Paging Mr. Darwin?

 
2002-03-30 04:15:38 PM
Ummmm....Just tell them to do 1/5 their old hit???
 
2002-03-30 04:16:00 PM
"The dilemma the prison service has is that people leaving prison often overdose and die because they have lost their tolerance to their drug of choice".

Social Darwinism at work. Sucks don't it?
 
2002-03-30 04:17:14 PM
Ford_Perfect: You type faster than me.
 
2002-03-30 04:17:48 PM
Gotcha by three minutes exactly, Angstmonger...
 
2002-03-30 04:18:25 PM
Why not send them to Baltimore?
 
2002-03-30 04:18:49 PM
The Scottish Prison Service has introduced the controversial pilot scheme, called the Retox Programme, to help to prevent the growing number of released prisoners overdosing on heroin while on parole.

Now, THAT is a waste of tax money. First spend money to give them methadone, then spend money for the police to catch them as they steal to get money for the heroin, and then spend more money trying to rehab them in jail.
 
2002-03-30 04:19:28 PM
That 3 minutes cost me some credibility.
 
2002-03-30 04:20:13 PM
I thought the idea was to encourage them not to do again what landed them in prison in the first place? If some have to die to make the point, they only have themselves to blame.
 
2002-03-30 04:23:20 PM
It's all good. This whole ides is liberalism at it's worst. Yes, addiction is a disease. But, if these guys survived for a length of time off the drugs, then they can go back into society and stay off. End of story. If they can't stay off the drugs, then they have two choices. Death or jail.
 
2002-03-30 04:25:48 PM
Come to think of it, if they are going to do things like this, why not just just give up on putting them in prison altogether? No prison time=money, and according to this, lives saved by not having their tolerances decreased.
 
2002-03-30 04:26:04 PM
 
2002-03-30 04:36:10 PM
Just legalise EVERYTHING. That way, heroin addicts wouldn't be in jail in the first place.
 
2002-03-30 04:41:10 PM
Good point Tone_DeBone.
 
2002-03-30 04:42:21 PM
I think this explains Harmonia some of the time.
 
2002-03-30 04:52:40 PM
Why not give them all the heroin they can take? Let 'em kill themselves off.
 
2002-03-30 04:59:51 PM
Nick Dark

Beat me to it. Best British movie ever made.
 
2002-03-30 05:03:32 PM
yes, and murderers who tell prison officials that they might kill again, are given shivs and are allowed to shiv up to 5 other convicts. arsonists are allowed to burn their own matresses and 3 other inmates mattresses, and rapists, well, that happens everyday in the shower rooms.
 
2002-03-30 05:09:18 PM
On a serious note.

I knew a guy a GREAT guy who got addicted to heroin. He got into some trouble while on the shiat (car theft) and sent to prison for 7 years. When he got out he started working again and doing good. He was out about a year and decided to go up to the city to visit some family there. While there he run into some of his old druggie friends and they talked him into shooting up just 1 more time, well it was his last time....

That drug is so addicting you cant ever get over it, if you know anyone that has they have some serious will power.
 
2002-03-30 05:14:41 PM
Well WarDogz, the way it's always been explained to me is that it's like having one helluvan intense orgasm that just doesn't quit! Who wouldn't want to get addicted?
 
2002-03-30 05:23:32 PM
Tone De Bone- I'm sure some of the herion addicts are rapists and murders too, so legalizing Heroin wouldn't necessarily keep them out of jail.

I don't think I would object to this plan if it was limited to people who were in jail in the first place because of possession... but a kiddie rapist who wants his heroin?? No way.

there was a story here (canada) about one of our jails and their methadone program.
I guess inmates were eating the vomit of other inmates for the extra methadone.
MENTAL NOTE: do not try heroin
 
2002-03-30 05:24:50 PM
The Scottish Prison Service has introduced the controversial pilot scheme, called the Retox Programme, to help to prevent the growing number of released prisoners overdosing on heroin while on parole.
Every time a dumshiat is helped to survive by society, baby Darwin weeps.
 
2002-03-30 05:31:58 PM
Maybe getting high is a problem because people are shooting themselves and are not reading as much this could be the problem if the should just go to church and take care of who they insult
 
2002-03-30 05:33:46 PM
"The Scottish Prison Service has introduced the controversial pilot scheme to help to prevent the growing number of released prisoners overdosing on heroin while on parole."


Good. The very last thing we should be trying to do is keep lowlife drug addicts alive even longer so they can commit more crimes against decent people. I think they should give them as much heroin as they can carry, lock them in a room and wait for the stupid bastards to do us all a huge favor and die from an overdose.
 
2002-03-30 05:35:03 PM
Here's a nice, different aspect of this dealy. How much does methadone cost? And who's paying for the methadone that the prisoners are taking? Ah yes. He steals from you while high, then steals from you through taxes. Lovely.
 
2002-03-30 05:39:58 PM
VIVA LA SCOTLAND!
 
2002-03-30 05:44:32 PM
Harmonia?
 
2002-03-30 05:49:27 PM
When i get my scanner powers back, i'm gonna headpop every damn smackhead i can find.
They are a scourge on society and the world would be instantly better without them.
 
2002-03-30 05:53:01 PM
 
2002-03-30 05:56:56 PM
Sure, legalize everything.... then it will be OK to pop the thieving rats, thus stopping the vicious circle... better yet, how 'bout a bounty on each. Might help jump-start a stalled economy...
 
2002-03-30 06:07:19 PM
What logic explains that this is a good Idea? I can't find it. It's only defense is that it MAY help some people not to die. But what they don't take into account is, No one held them down and stuck the needle in their arm the first time. They did it. You have to REALLY want to try Heroin. If you do, you deserve whatever the law, the people, God, and yourself bring upon you.
 
2002-03-30 06:10:20 PM
Napalm cleans all. Maybe we should sell Scotlan some Napalm.
 
2002-03-30 06:30:40 PM
Arrrgh! If we don't let the morons overdose we'll never get rid of the damn drug problem.

Why not just give them rat poison when they're in prison and tell them it's methadone. That would work.
 
2002-03-30 06:38:41 PM
In a really farked up way, their plan really does make sense. It's an interesting moral dilemna!
 
2002-03-30 06:49:59 PM
Yeah, no shiat. Where is Harmonia on this one.
I almost think this a hoax it sounds so ridiculous.
 
2002-03-30 07:02:35 PM
In what moral way does it make sense, Smirnoffice? While I don't think that drugs should be illegal, this is a way of "easing" a person into doing an illegal act. Why is it that they don't provide methadone for all other citizens, so that they don't overdose on their first time? The justification does have some logic to it, provided that you forget that it's promoting an illegal behavior ("If I get snagged for doing it, I'll just go to prison, and I won't have to worry about O.D.ing right when I get out"), it's using tax dollars to do so, and it defies two major reasons that people are put into prison in the first place: to punish and to rehabilitate criminals.
 
2002-03-30 07:11:12 PM
Arbi:

He'd just write it off as an attempt of the imperialistic U.S. admin to destroy Scotland....like they need help.
 
2002-03-30 07:14:12 PM
I think it's that F#@%*n fiend Winnie the Pooh! Do ya think it's just a coincidence his shirt is RED!!!! Bull-F@#$#@N S&#@t!!! Damn commie-hugg'n stuffed freak! And just what is his relationship with Piglett!!! F$#%@*N sick A$&S FREAKS!!!! BUURRRPPPPP! Ah, better...
 
2002-03-30 07:22:18 PM
Why don't they spend this money on rehab programs once they get out of prison?
 
2002-03-30 07:25:54 PM
Just farking legalize and double penalties for crimes done while high/strung out. The whole war on drugs is a fat waste of money anyway.
 
2002-03-30 07:57:05 PM

Heroin use by itself is not particularly deadly or damaging to the health. Heroin's dangers are largely the result of its criminalization. Addicts in programs where they are offered a regular, steady supply by clinics have no difficulty maintaining productive work and family lives.


But with prohibition comes the need to spend every waking hour worrying about how to get the next fix. With prohibition comes isolation from the social structures that help people to maintain balance in their lives. With prohibition comes black market inflation, making a heroin habit often require criminal activity to support, instead of just the collection of a few empty bottle for their deposits.


The primary reason people die from heroin is because they overdose, not from regular heavy use, which exerts hardly any strain on the body at all. The primary reason people overdose from heroin is the start taking it again after a period of drying off (or they tak a new batch from a new dealer, not knowing exactly how strong it is). So this program makes total sense (and as for the cost of the methadone, I'm sure it's cheaper than the cost to remove the corpses from the street)--the lives that will be saved it are hardly theoretical.


The people who complain about this program are speaking either out of ignorance or out of denial.

 
2002-03-30 07:58:24 PM
Scotland surrenders?
 
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