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(MSN Money)   SUV owners get free gas, courtesy of Uncle Sam   (moneycentral.msn.com) divider line 406
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2005-04-26 02:15:27 PM  
The Suburban is the greatest family car ever!

The Escalade is built to rip people off.
 
2005-04-26 02:15:32 PM  
the reason for the tax breaks is to give SUV owners an incentive to fill up their tanks, thus using more fuel at the pumps, thus driving up the demand, thus keeping the price per gallon above $2.20, thus making Bush and Co. even richer!

/didn't RTFA
 
2005-04-26 02:15:34 PM  
Oh shiat, i replied to the wrong story. Take it easy on me, i am from utah. We are a lot dumber here.
 
2005-04-26 02:15:37 PM  
Who the hell uses a SUV comletely for business anyway? Forest rangers? And why the hell can you write off a farking cayenne? It's not like anyone actually using a SUV 100% for business is using it to do what it's meant to do anyway. the government is bullshiat.
 
2005-04-26 02:15:41 PM  
czarangelus

bull. shiat.
 
2005-04-26 02:15:44 PM  
Gray_Calx

What makes me laugh is all you judgemental people. Seriously. I own a SUV that my wife drives because we live on a farm. We tow horse-trailers and kids around. But heaven forbid we use it to drive to the mall for fear of being judged by some egomaniacal pricks like you all. Bet you never even ask about the fact that we also own a hybrid do ye?


I have no problem with your having an SUV; you use it. But there's a black hummer with headlamps and as much chrome as physically possible - always shiny and clean, of course, - parked in someone's driveway, all I see is $100,000 of misplaced testosterone. There is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION for a hummer in civilian life.
 
2005-04-26 02:16:25 PM  
Article and headline are semi-misleading, but do bring up some valid points about problems with tax breaks/loopholes for large SUVs.
Originally intended for ag, construction, etc. it's just wrong to basically enable wanton resource consumption.
Uh yeah, I need this Porche Cayenne to haul stuff for my home made jewelry kiosk..
And no, I'm not talking to the construction contractor in Alaska who actually needs a Ford Super Duty 4x4 P/U.

/yee haa first accepted link will be an SUV flame war!!!
 
2005-04-26 02:16:34 PM  
to paraphrase myself: conservatives/neo-cons spend liberally

/damn multiple-sentence and writing and-thinking at the same time
 
2005-04-26 02:16:40 PM  
Vet_Curm

So, do you use the SUV to tow the kids in the horsetrailer to the mall, or the hybrid?

I think you misquoted - I didn't say that. :)
 
2005-04-26 02:17:10 PM  
This does not apply to every idiot that buys an SUV (but by all means, go right ahead) it only applies to businesses that use the SUV 100%. Go out and get yerself a bigass Excursion and see if the gov't gives you a tax break. Trust me, they won't.
 
2005-04-26 02:17:33 PM  
WTF - when I get a tax break when I buy a truck to haul my motion simulators to prospective customers and events, I'm supporting Osama Bin Laden? Fark that. Because of my company, more people are employed and making money *here* than there were before, and half of that money is coming from overseas.

If you want to cut incentives for that kind of behavior, go right ahead.
 
2005-04-26 02:17:36 PM  
JKulp42757
real towing should be done using a real truck, SUV engines are notoriously undersized, which has a lot to do with why they get piss poor gas mileage. Even a small truck could own one on towing capacity.

/I am sure there are a few exceptions, but as a whole SUV's should not be your first choice for big towing jobs. especially with that whole rolling over thing.
 
2005-04-26 02:17:45 PM  
wonderteet:


I wonder what you could buy if you only had to pay a third as many taxes as you do now...
 
2005-04-26 02:18:04 PM  
Gray_Calx: I own a SUV that my wife drives because we live on a farm.


Great, so now we are paying for your gas AND the food you don't produce?
 
2005-04-26 02:18:21 PM  
2005-04-26 02:09:42 PM Jesus 2.0

JerkStore

I'm going to the Hummer dealer tonight. Now I can compensate for my small penis on your dime.

More accurately, you can try to compensate for your small penis on our dime.


Aw crap, you're right, Jesus. Will nothing help me fill this empty space inside... my pants?

/sheds tear
 
2005-04-26 02:18:23 PM  
I used to drive an SUV, 2001 Ford Explorer sport. I did actually make use of its off-road capability (although the Explorer Sport, contrary to the name isn't known for it) occasionally, in addition to the passenger and 'trunk' space. However, driving from where I lived in VA to my college in Indiana required something like 6 different trips to the gas station. When I got here I traded it in and got a 2004 Volkswagen Jetta 1.8T, don't regret the swap at all. Although having the SUV was helpful last year at the Univ of Hartford when the only two cars (and drivers really) capable of driving in the blizzard were mine and my friend's Jeep and since the latter ain't so great in the cold... I got to have a lot of free lunches for being everyones driver.
 
2005-04-26 02:18:42 PM  
I get 18mpg in my truck.. city.. in stop and go traffic.
what the problem is?

could the self-righteous please mark your Saturns accordingly.. so i know who to cut off. thanks.


Gary
well said.
 
2005-04-26 02:18:48 PM  
SUV pwnederz are teh dicks!!!!111one
 
2005-04-26 02:18:50 PM  
Personal use of a Truck is just like an SUV. Blocks my view, makes driving more difficult. A business vehicle serves more people than just the driver...so it's trade off i can make.

This law IS ASSININE. It's encouraging people to buy gas guzzlers! You can buy a larger vehicle that does not suck down the dino juice...but why would you when the US Gov't will give you free gas!? You could go for the smaller more economical motor...but why bother when THE GOV'T WILL GIVE YOU FREE GAS!

If the SUVs were subject to the same gas guzzler tax as cars, this would not be quite as disgusting...but they ARE NOT!

I think I'll take my beater out tonight on my drive to school, and give a little back.
 
2005-04-26 02:18:54 PM  
I believe in personal achievement.

I do not believe in redistribution of wealth.

I believe in the right and freedom to obtain personal wealth and to maintain it.

That said, this bill is absolutely asinine.
 
2005-04-26 02:19:11 PM  
Why are people so upset about people willingly spending $50 to fill their SUVs with gas?

They earn the money to support the vehicle, so what right do you all have in criticizing how that money is spent?

Granted, many people that buy SUVs don't drive them off road and tow things, but since when do you have to use something strictly for the purpose for which it was constructed?

Do SUVs waste gas? Sure, but so do cars.. How many of you ride bicycles and live in houses warmed solely by a fireplace?
 
2005-04-26 02:19:20 PM  
perisoft:

If you want to cut incentives for that kind of behavior, go right ahead.

Maybe government should just stay out of the behavior incentive business.
 
2005-04-26 02:19:33 PM  
The only good thing George W. Bush did for me:




Allowed me to write off my 6000 lb. vehicle as a business expense...
 
2005-04-26 02:19:51 PM  
squishydrew:
I'm not a prick.

Yeah, well obviously i didn't mean you squishy. :)
 
2005-04-26 02:20:13 PM  
I think this article was missing the fellow with the suit of question marks, and running on pure cocaine energy.
 
2005-04-26 02:21:28 PM  
Kurt Roges

The whole point of the article is that it's essentially costing YOU and ME, not the drivers, to fill their tanks. Screw that.

That is the problem with you sheep, you are trained well by the government already.

Cost you? That is money that the government didn't confiscate from someone, and it wasn't you.

The current tax and spend mentality will be the downfall of this country.
 
2005-04-26 02:22:07 PM  
Why are people so upset about people willingly spending $50 to fill their SUVs with gas?

Because it puts money into the pockets of the people who knocked down your towers. You may as well run your truck on the blood of their victims.

/that's good trolling!
 
2005-04-26 02:22:12 PM  
NutznGum

or fat and slow (besides the SUV's, which ride like boats and drive like... boats)

i was in Gatlinburg once after finishing up a 40 mile section hike on the AT, guy driving us back to our car told us people would pay him to drive him back up the road to the hotels/restaurants... now... keep in mind, the guy would do this for people who didn't want to walk a block!

how people breath is beyond me
 
2005-04-26 02:22:20 PM  
Gray_Calx

Yeah, well obviously i didn't mean you squishy. :)

Of course! ;)
 
2005-04-26 02:22:27 PM  
What colklink said. This isn't for soccer moms driving in their Lexuses and BMWs. This is for business that use large vehicles to get ther jobs done, and that is how it mostly used. And it's also been around for a while so don't be acting surprised about it.

Now if you farkers really want your plumber to drive a Mini Cooper to replace your water heater, or if you really think the glass company can deliver your windows in a Honda hybrid, more power to you.

Now about those Realtors and their Lexus SUV's... I think you have a minor point there.
 
2005-04-26 02:22:43 PM  
Boomslang

How many of you ride bicycles and live in houses warmed solely by a fireplace?

I walk to work, and I didn't use the heater in my apartment all winter. I'd put on a sweater if I was cold.
 
2005-04-26 02:22:49 PM  
What effect do you think GM's recall of 2 million cars (inclusing the Hummer H-2) will have on this tax break? I bet you get a tax break on the recall, too. I love taxes!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/26/national/26recall.html
 
2005-04-26 02:22:51 PM  
Not everybody wants a farking minivan or a pickup truck, eh? How the hell am I going to haul around a half-ton of equipment otherwise?

Then again, I use my 4wd and keep my SUV muddy so people don't know I'm just a hard-working, average person that doesn't have one of the SUVs on the list.
 
2005-04-26 02:23:12 PM  
paying for you for your SUV gas is not that much more absurd than paying for your mortgage interest or for having dependents.

whitey welfare runs the country
 
2005-04-26 02:23:13 PM  
You know what's funny? When SUV's tip over.
 
2005-04-26 02:23:21 PM  
EnormousJuan:

This law IS ASSININE. It's encouraging people to buy gas guzzlers! You can buy a larger vehicle that does not suck down the dino juice...but why would you when the US Gov't will give you free gas!? You could go for the smaller more economical motor...but why bother when THE GOV'T WILL GIVE YOU FREE GAS!

They don't. All it says is you you can just deduct more of the depreciation on the vehicle in the first year rather than spreading it over many years. The article is total hack job and is clearly meant to mislead.
 
2005-04-26 02:23:28 PM  
No, it means the drivers are not paying their fair share into the programs that EVERYBODY USES.

durka-durrrr...
 
2005-04-26 02:23:39 PM  
This sucks. I don't like SUVs and don't want one but nothing makes me happier than pissing off whiny, judgmental, self-righteous losers so the urge to buy one is reaching critical mass anymore. Oh, the inner conflict...

If I ever win the lottery, I'm buying the biggest SUV in existence and driving it around while talking on a cell phone just to piss off the whiners. Fuel cost would be negligable because it's not like I'd drive it to and from work or for any real purposes, just whenever I felt like tweaking brittle people.

I might even be able to choke down putting a pro-Bush bumper sticker on it... no... even this asshole can't go that far.
 
2005-04-26 02:23:52 PM  
LOL, this is fine....
We all get our return when these assclowns are carjacked.
And as we all know, yuppies can't fight.
 
2005-04-26 02:24:44 PM  
I think this loophole is lame, but it's not as big a deal as a lot of people want to make it out to be.

It just allows businesses to accelerate the depreciation schedule so that instead of writing off the expense over 5 years, they write it off in one year. That will save some money due to the time-value, or if you're in a high tax bracket now and don't think you will be in 5 years, but no one is getting anything for "free", like so many reports seem to imply.

In short, it's a 100% deduction now instead of a 20% deduction for the next 5 years. Same dollars, just a different time-line.
 
2005-04-26 02:24:49 PM  
Boomslang - you miss the point entirely. The problem is that we have a finite amount of fuel. The more you use it, the less the supply is and then the law of supply and demand kicks in. Price of gaseoline goes up which means that it costs more to buy it for you, me, and the prick in the SUV. Coupled with the fact that more people are driving SUVs and this just makes us more dependant on foreign oil. And as we all know all that money we give to the saudis goes to pay for terrorism under the table. So we are farked on both ends of the stick. If we could get gas as a infinite supply from the moon then half of the problems in this world would vanish overnight.
 
2005-04-26 02:24:58 PM  
perisoft:

WTF - when I get a tax break when I buy a truck to haul my motion simulators to prospective customers and events, I'm supporting Osama Bin Laden? Fark that. Because of my company, more people are employed and making money *here* than there were before, and half of that money is coming from overseas.

If you want to cut incentives for that kind of behavior, go right ahead.



No, we never said anything about supporting terror. The issue is with @sshats who have such low self-esteem, they have to drive around in a big-a$$ SUV just so everyone else will know that they have one.

As for your tax break... Yes, we do want to take it away. Not to hurt you, but because there are better, more loop-hole free, less wasteful ways to help businesses.
 
2005-04-26 02:25:21 PM  
My dad hyas written off the gas in his for business only truck for as long as I can remember. I don't see a problem with this if it is only 100% for businesses.

Once start giving tax breaks to soccer moms for jewelry shopping, then you will hear me scream.
 
2005-04-26 02:25:32 PM  
My SUV runs on aborted fetuses.
 
2005-04-26 02:25:46 PM  
Jealousy will get you nowhere.
 
2005-04-26 02:25:47 PM  
That is money that the government didn't confiscate from someone, and it wasn't you.

Who is this is?
 
2005-04-26 02:26:01 PM  
2005-04-26 02:05:44 PM pottymouthed

That's what you get when you have a bunch of yahoo Oil Men running your country I guess.


Its been in the code since TRA 86. Don't post if you don't know what you're talking about stupid $hit.
 
2005-04-26 02:26:51 PM  
Do SUV owners enjoy financing terrorism?
 
2005-04-26 02:26:53 PM  
"Hey I can afford it, so fark you." *not an actual quote

Nice attitude, really. Consider what that money could otherwise buy, even if you just put it away for retirement. Let's play pretend and say it's $20 extra per week, or roughly $1000/year. 1000/year @ 5% rate of return (these are all rather conservative estimates) for 35 years (age 30-65) = 90,320.31 Money you could use to buy a farmer's market-mobile then. Money you could pass on to your kids. Money that evaporates to shuttle you around in "style".

Obviously I'm not objecting to folks that actually NEED such a vehicle, although it seems there are usually alternatives (vans, etc).
 
2005-04-26 02:26:59 PM  
I think people who drive SUVs are being assholes who make my experience on the road less safe. The answer is to be an asshole right back to them. Many legal ways to do that!
 
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