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2005-04-24 04:11:39 PM
Thank you for your most noble call for civil discourse on these lofty halls of fark:

craigdamage
Yikes people!...

C'mon now.
If you can't ram your agenda or sanctimony down our throats w/out vulgarity then please stay away from this forum.

I admit my lefty words have boiled more than a few tempers but I have never sunk to the level schoolyard bully talk.

Put a lid on it.
ALL of us.
Even when insulting each other let us attempt to be civil.

BTW are you the same "CraigDamage" who made this most humble and friendship entreating query on fark:

craigdamage

Communism has killed no one.Stalin has.Evil men have.
Right-wing thinking/jingo is of such simplified and narrow view and only appeals to the lowest order of imbecile stock.

???
 
2005-04-24 04:13:59 PM
I find this quote (God, I hate it when you asshats shotgun blast so much at once, for if I miss a single one you'll harp on it with your little mind.) by Sturgeon637 to be very, VERY amusing, in light of what he did to someone else in a thread yesterday....
 
2005-04-24 04:17:30 PM
TWX:

nzilla:
how many Americans know about the allied fireboming of Dresden, which laid the entire city to waste and was the highest killing non-nuclear operation of the Second World War?

It's not taught in public school, I didn't find out about it until I went to college.


In the UK we learnt a bit about in GCSE's (16-18), certainly the fact that many people have described it as a war crime.
 
2005-04-24 04:18:31 PM
Yeah Morrigan Sedai,
That's a great defense of your "3-digit" IQ.

You started off by explaining away Communist mass-murders.
(arguably the most hugely unimaginable, sustained, evil acts ever committed in the known history of mankind)

And finished up by calling me a retard.
 
2005-04-24 04:20:06 PM
What would liberal extremism be without a big helping of guilt every morning? Yep, let's make sure every sorry son of a biatch on the planet is wracked and riddled with guilt over what their ancestors did, because that's just another road to power for people who don't have it and crave it.

Nations and peoples commit atrocities. They've been doing so since Ogh smacked Ugh upside the head and took the deer that Ugh had killed for dinner. So the fark what? As a descendent of these people does that somehow entitle the descendents of others to demand the products of my labor? Hell no it doesn't. Because my forefathers were bastards does that mean I have to go around apologizing for what they did? Of course not; only a farking douchebag would claim otherwise.

All this claptrap is nothing more than the liberal version of original sin. Someone else commits the sin and if you're associated with those people in any way, shape or form then somehow you too are to blame for it. All I can say to this is "piss off, you pathetic wankers. I'll never agree with your lunatic rantings no matter how much you whine about it."

Max
 
2005-04-24 04:22:24 PM
TwitGibbler, it is all guesswork because of the situation, as I think we can both agree. And I am the first to admit I'm just going by the few articles I found today and what my wine-soaked memory dredges up from some (non-tabloid) newspaper, newsmag, and Internets sources of the past few years. I've always been intrigued by the event because I read Slaughterhouse Five the first time at a very impressionable age.

I would hope that the analysts/historians that made the lower estimates considered the number of citizens/military/refugees, where they were located in and around Dresden, the timeline of the bombing, the movement of the citizen/military/refugees during the bombing and firestorm, etc.

Anyway, I'm a former reference librarian and currently a fact-checker for a reference publisher, so that's why I started looking into this today. Just to justify my sad existence.
 
2005-04-24 04:25:19 PM
umm, i mean "GCSE's from age 14-16"
 
2005-04-24 04:25:33 PM
Firebombing Dresden and Tokyo aren't any big secret.
(Not a lot of chatter about Atlanta and Richmond here though?)

But I guess it's easy to point the finger and pretend that we are better than those who went before us.

Kind of Ironic we are pulling this sanctimonious act at the same exact time we are bombing the Shiite out of Iraq and Afgan, and just wrapped up bombing Yugolavia for 10 years.

BUT THOSE GUYS BACK THEN--- THEY WERE BAAD!!
/Not aiming this at any particular farker, just everyone who points a finger they should point at their own heart.
 
2005-04-24 04:27:32 PM
CanSomeonePleaseKilltheChristmasShoes:

Yeah Morrigan Sedai,

You started off by explaining away Communist mass-murders.


I did no such thing. YOU started off by explaining away the Inquisition by saying "oh look communism was much worse".

(arguably the most hugely unimaginable, sustained, evil acts ever committed in the known history of mankind)

In your opinion, maybe, though one could argue the Holocaust could get that title. But nowhere did I downplay its role, I only explained why there was a number difference.

And finished up by calling me a retard.

Only because you first attacked me with the strawman you just repeated above. Which I suspect you will repeat AGAIN, possibly with a hint of sarcasm, since you seem so good at it.
 
2005-04-24 04:28:43 PM
Nuc_E:

What the Hell was everybody smoking when they decided to make China and Russia (USSR) permanent members of the UN Security Council?

Roosevelt was practically dead at Yalta and pretty much gave in to everything Stalin wanted because he was too tired to pay attention.

Yay history channel.
 
2005-04-24 04:34:18 PM
perisoft
...forcing hundreds of thousands of women into sexual slavery...

Details! Details!


About 80,000 women and children were forcibly gangraped and tortured, often killed, by the Japanese at Nanking alone.

Some of the photographs are pretty horrid, naked preteen girls who had obviously been beaten and raped before their deaths.

I think you'd rather not know the details, actually.
 
2005-04-24 04:39:46 PM
while i agree history is subjective, there's a bottom line...
and i really don't think Japan's blaming China for their invasion to China is correct in any way possible...

China teaches her people Mao was correct in starving millions of people, in my opinion, is better than, Japan teaches her people China was to blame in invading China during WWII...

bending the truth or straight lying... which one do u prefer?
 
2005-04-24 04:42:14 PM
" Which I suspect you will repeat AGAIN, possibly with a hint of sarcasm, since you seem so good at it."

Well there's something at least.

1st and 1/2 point- Yes Holocaust was bad, equally bad and heinous. But it lasted only 12 years, in only one place, and was snuffed out forever, while communism lasted from ?1919 to at least the killing fields in the 70's I believe E germans were in Gulags and getting shot up until 1989 at teh border? Multiple manifestations over the entire (almost) 20th century, and ~~~it still has it's defenders today~~~

2nd point- All this talk about "war crimes."

There is only one war crime- Losing.
That's why Robert E. Lee is a war criminal,
and Sherman/Lincoln is a national (puke/projectile vomit) hero.

That's why the Soviets sat in Judgment of the Germans at the trials, sentenced and condemned them for the Katyn massacre IIRC.
 
2005-04-24 04:44:09 PM
Ok--you got me for sure.Sorry I say "imbecile" but then I get shocked when smeone say "asshole"!!

Bottom line:

Bad people do bad things.
Bad people with power do bad things on a grand scale.
History should be accurate and record/report these deeds.
Don't focus on the "ism" of the culture of the society that does a bad thing.Also,don't be so sure that your own culture
is 100% innocent.

THIS IS NOT LIBERAL PUSSYFOOTING!!!

I am just trying to be reasonable.
 
2005-04-24 04:44:14 PM
was "war by attrition" the only reason dresden occurred or did retribution for the death camps also play a part.
 
2005-04-24 04:44:41 PM
I feel dumber for having read this crap.

War is wrong, killing is wrong, period. Wrong done to you does not excuse wrong you do to others. I'd say that Japan paid a pretty heavy price for their imperalistic evil, as China did for its idiotic economic policy, as Germany did for allowing Hitler to rise to power, as the US did for allowing slavery to exist on its soil, etc., etc.

There's nothing to argue about here.
 
2005-04-24 04:55:40 PM
Sum Dum Gai

perisoft
... ..hundreds of thousands of women ... sexual slavery...

About 80,000 women and children were forcibly gangraped and tortured, often killed, by the Japanese at Nanking alone.

Some of the photographs are pretty horrid, naked preteen girls who had obviously been beaten and raped before their deaths.

I think you'd rather not know the details, actually.


I think you are right about that.

The whole Nanking episode screams out lessons about the importance of keeping and bearing arms.

The Chinese (civilians)at the time were wholly unarmed/disarmed? by their government.

The Asians I have met have a cavalier "the army will take care of that" attitude on national defense.

The thing I remember from the book was that the Chinese army not only fled/retreated from Nanking, not only left the helpless un/disarmed civilians to the tender murderous mercies of the Japanese, but that the Army locked the gates of the cities behind them to make good their escape.
(also locking in all the Chinese civilians but hey who gives a fv<k about them?)
/course the gates part could be literary hyperbole who knows?

Anyway if the Japanese ever tried that in America the rednecks alone could and would kick their little superior master-race asses.
 
2005-04-24 05:08:34 PM
craigdamage

"Ok--you got me for sure.Sorry I say "imbecile" but then I get shocked when smeone say "asshole"!!"

I nailed you on that, and I'll nail you on this:

"Bad people do bad things.
Bad people with power do bad things on a grand scale.
History should be accurate and record/report these deeds.
Don't focus on the "ism" of the culture of the society that does a bad thing.Also,don't be so sure that your own culture
is 100% innocent.

THIS IS NOT LIBERAL PUSSYFOOTING!!!

I am just trying to be reasonable."


You are right that is not liberal pussyfooting,
it is an active defense of the term and the system of Communism by explaining away the fruits of the Commie tree.
(total state, totalitarianism, Gulags, and a bullet in the back of the skull. repeat 100 million times and you begin to see the essence of Communism)

Multiple countries, multiple cultures fell under the sickening grip of Communist government, over a long period of 20th century, still not over BTW.

And using your argument-
Nobody has any right to condems NAZI (ism) because it's just another "ism". Just happened those guys were bad- but we cannot denounce NAZIism,
right little buddy?

You defend what you love, your 'ism'
and I'll defend what I love. my only ism is liberty ism and Christian ism.

I don't condemn you for defending communism because I suspect you are young and brainwashed by some public school teachers and professor types. If you keep these beliefs into adult-hood then that would be kind of sad.
 
2005-04-24 05:10:49 PM
Nihilists? Well, say what you will about the tenants of national socialism, at least it was an ethos.

/Not a racist, just love the movie
 
2005-04-24 05:11:14 PM
CanSomeonePleaseKilltheChristmasShoes

The Rape of Nanking isn't a lesson on always carrying arms. It's an object lesson in how people react after brainwashing, believing that these people are subhuman.
And I'm sorry, but if you put anyone in a situation where there is a marauding army entering their city, guns or no guns, it's going to be a massacre. Armies have this thing called organisation, which is why the Americans are killing insurgents about 10:1; not because of any major superiority in Americans (especially as the insurgents are shooting first).

/Sorry to Iraqify this thread
 
2005-04-24 05:11:38 PM
 
2005-04-24 05:18:33 PM
Felgraf

It was amusing.
Peru. Chile.
I swear he was going to say that they all look alike next.

maffick
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Matthew 7:3

Fecal Pandora
Awwww, the old "there is no difference between communists and us" defense.
Begone from my sight, I have no use for you.
 
2005-04-24 05:27:22 PM
CanSomeonePleaseKilltheChristmasShoes

The whole Nanking episode screams out lessons about the importance of keeping and bearing arms.

The Chinese (civilians)at the time were wholly unarmed/disarmed? by their government.


No, actually the Chinese had the right to have personal firearms at the time -- it was the Japanese who outlawed guns when they invaded, and they confiscated all they could get their hands on.

The Chinese government wouldn't restrict its citizens access to guns until after the Communist revolution. At the time the Japanese invaded, the Chinese citizens were armed.
 
2005-04-24 05:28:23 PM

*And they're still active on Fark.com
 
2005-04-24 05:30:46 PM
For the random dumbasses who said The Rape of Nanking was written due to "nationalistic" passion:

Iris Chang was born in Princeton, New Jersey, and grew up in Champaign-Urbana, Illinois, where she earned a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Illinois in 1989. She worked briefly as a reporter for the Associated Press and the Chicago Tribune before completing a graduate degree in writing from the Johns Hopkins University and launching her career as a full-time author and lecturer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Chang

Get this through your head: IRIS CHANG WAS AN AMERICAN. BORN IN AMERICA. RAISED IN MIDDLE AMERICA. If she were to be nationalistic, it would be toward the US. Why? BECAUSE SHE WAS AN AMERICAN.

Having established that, your comments make no sense. How does documenting Japanese war crimes against China have anything to do with being nationalistic pride in the US?


If you give me any crap about her 'nation' really being China, you should be beaten with a wrench. Being ethnically Chinese doesn't mean you are inherently pro-China, or from China, or ever visited China, or like Chinese food, or do Chinese fire drills. Iris Chang's last book was about Chinese IMMINGRANTS (as in, people who LEFT CHINA to LIVE IN AMERICA). Her last project before she killed herself was on US SOLDIERS on the Bataan Death March. Not a whole lot of Chinese nationals were US soldiers.

In conclusion: The Rape of Nanking was not written in a fit of 'nationalistic' passion, because it doesn't have anything to do with the United States of America, which is what nation Iris Chang hailed from. You can argue about the quality of her scholarship, but don't make dumb, illogical pseudo-racist comments.
 
2005-04-24 05:36:57 PM
Sum Dum Gai

The whole Nanking episode screams out lessons about the importance of keeping and bearing arms.

The Chinese (civilians)at the time were wholly unarmed/disarmed? by their government.

"No, actually the Chinese had the right to have personal firearms at the time -- it was the Japanese who outlawed guns when they invaded, and they confiscated all they could get their hands on.

The Chinese government wouldn't restrict its citizens access to guns until after the Communist revolution. At the time the Japanese invaded, the Chinese citizens were armed.


Thanks for crushing my Nanking argument.

Now I just wonder why the Chinese, who outnumber teh Japanese by the (b)millions, and had the RKBA- didn't farking use it? I saw the picture in the book where 7 Japanese officers were holding something like 3 thousand prisoners. Why didn't they blow those 7 away at least before they were killed?

Actually i think I will maintain the first part of my post:

The whole Nanking episode screams out lessons about the importance of keeping and bearing arms., comma,
because you never know when somebody like Japan (or the new UN army of peace) will invade your country and kill and rape all your family members and you.

So LEARN the importance of keeping and bearing arms grasshopper!
/don't let Nanking happen to you etc (tm)
 
2005-04-24 05:44:46 PM
(total state, totalitarianism, Gulags, and a bullet in the back of the skull. repeat 100 million times and you begin to see the essence of Communism)

That's a poor path of logic, because it opens up:
total state, totalitarianism, Spanish inquisition, burning at the stake, putting heretics on the torture rack. repeat 100 million times and you begin to see the essence of Christianity or other religions.

Hitler rose to power legitimately in a democratic society. Totalitarianism doesn't require communism.
 
2005-04-24 05:45:33 PM
maffick


I'll say it again, WHAT THE HELL DOES AMERICA HAVE TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS?



1) We have frequently done very similar things.
2) We are the "worlds largest superpower" so we make everything our business.
3) Stop your whining, jingo-boy!


1) Whoop-dee farking doo. So did the Aztecs. Why aren't they brought up? It has no bearing.
2)Funny how no one did until the troll brought anti-American thought into this thread. It's a newspaper article someone read. How is that America making everything our business? If you bring realtvisim into an argument, you show that you have absolutely no defense based in logic or reason - you just want to whine.
3)Meh.
 
2005-04-24 05:46:30 PM
Totalitarianism doesn't require communism.

No, but the reverse has held true so far.
 
2005-04-24 05:48:00 PM
CanSomeonePleaseKilltheChristmasShoes

Don't be too hard on Communism. It's totally unrealistic, certainly, but I understand why there is an appeal.

At its heart, Capitalism is based on self-interest. You work to benefit yourself, and meet your own needs and desires. Communism is based very heavily on the teachings of Jesus, and at its heart, you work not to benefit yourself directly, but to benefit the society as a whole.

The problem is, given the choice, people are often selfish. A true Communism would have no leaders, it would be a democracy (in fact, any system other than democracy is incompatible with Communism). In the ideal world, everyone is completely free, and everyone voluntarily chooses to work for the benefit of everyone else. Communism works in small, religious societies exceptionally well.

On a larger scale, it fails. People who are free to choose often will choose not to work, or they will choose to work for their own benefit. And so the problems begin. People won't voluntarily comply, so institutions are made to force compliance, and it all falls apart from there -- totalitarianism has been the end result of all the Communist experiments to date.

I do see the appeal, though, especially of the intellectuals and dreamers. Communism is the kind of society you'd have if everyone was always being the best person they could be, and if everyone would truly love their neighbors as themselves. Intellectuals and dreamers often see the world not as it is, but as it could be.

I don't think a true Communist society on a large scale would ever exist in my lifetime. I think people have a lot more evolving to do before it would be possible to make a society like that.

On the other hand, Communism has had a deep influence on Capitalist societies. Most of the horrific abuses Marx wrote against have been denounced in modern Capitalist societies. People are certainly not ready to really live by his philosphies (or Christ's, for that matter) but they are willing to make small steps in that direction. We've certainly come a long way from the post-Industrial Revolution problems.
 
2005-04-24 05:55:16 PM
CanSomeonePleaseKilltheChristmasShoes

Well, you need to remember that most of the people were extremely poor. Guns are expensive. Chinese citizens did resist, but the Japanese army was the far technologically superior. It wasn't until Mao that China caught up to the rest of the world.

By the time the rapes of Nanking, pretty much everyone who had the ability to resist was dead. China has a huge population but the army was weak and they lacked the infrastructure (roads, railways, etc.) to be able to deploy the people.

Further, you're pitting peasants who have experience in farming, not battles, up against one of the best trained and most ruthless armies of that time. Resistance did happen, but they were quickly and soundly beaten.
 
2005-04-24 05:58:50 PM
If you give me any crap about her 'nation' really being China, you should be beaten with a wrench.

Well I usually dont enjoy being beaten by a wrench, but she is a Chinese by Nation. She may identify with US as her "Country" and she may have US citizenship, but she's a chinese by nation. (Think Navajo nation)
/not looking foreward to the beating, but let's be honest on fark at least

Being ethnically Chinese doesn't mean you are inherently pro-China, or from China, or ever visited China, or like Chinese food, or do Chinese fire drills. Iris Chang's last book was about Chinese IMMINGRANTS (as in, people who LEFT CHINA to LIVE IN AMERICA)

Exactly, Chinese People.

"Her last project before she killed herself"

WTF KILLED HERSELF??? (I'm off to google, dont recall this at all, she was/is farking young, and was starting a succcesful writing career???

I'm back from google,
RIP Iris Chang.
Some "suicide."

I love Japan,
All you japanese guys are great and you never did anything wrong. You're tops!!!
/I hope I don't commit "suicide" soon.
 
2005-04-24 06:00:10 PM
Sum Dum Gai --
That, and both the Communists and the KMT had a strong self-interest in saving whatever strength they had for the inevitable resumption of their civil war.
 
2005-04-24 06:12:56 PM
caamando --
If memory serves, there was a school of thought that held that mass bombing of civillian areas would be militarily useful by breaking the morale of the population and undermining their ability/willingness to continue the war, and that this rationale was a big reason for incidents such as Dresden.
 
2005-04-24 06:19:14 PM
mcostas

(total state, totalitarianism, Gulags, and a bullet in the back of the skull. repeat 100 million times and you begin to see the essence of Communism)

That's a poor path of logic, because it opens up:
total state, totalitarianism, Spanish inquisition, burning at the stake, putting heretics on the torture rack. repeat 100 million times and you begin to see the essence of Christianity or other religions.


Your comparison is less than empty.
You have to go back 500 years to find something to insult Catholicism with. I'm talking 1970s Cambodian killing fields. That's RFN. North Korea- prison camps. Total state. AFAIK every male is enslaved into the army for ?life?

Cuba- citizens there rather die- eaten by sharks than remain on that prison/island.

And you compare this unspeakable evil with the Catholic church, because there were religious wars 500 years ago?

All of you minimisers, explainers away, and timorous cheerleaders for Communism should just come 0ut and say what you feel. Why couch your religion with such camoflaged rhetoric?

That you hate the Catholic Church for your Athiestic (or Protestant) or other reasons is also crystal clear.

You hate the one true faith and continuosly attack it.
This is nothing new.
/This response is beyond and not proportionate to mcostas post- those it is addressed to, know who they are.
 
2005-04-24 06:25:55 PM
Japanese history books must be like their cars.

Loud, obnoxious, full of rust holes and covered in fake stickers and silly looking plastic badges. And CONSTANTLY being "modified".
 
2005-04-24 06:34:32 PM

More on topic, if you Google you can find preposterous claims in the Chinese official media about how China has never instigated a war, always wanted to live in harmony with its neighbors, and has only fought to defend itself -- never intending to invade other countries.


Um, yeah. I'm sure that the massive territorial difference between modern China and that of, say, the borders existing at the time the Qin united the Chinese state were merely accounted for my marriages, gifts, and other thoroughly peaceful non-coercive means. And that the Chinese-Indian border conflict was a fluke. And that Tibet was always Chinese territory, so of course it doesn't count. And the 120,000 PRC troops sent to attack Vietnam were actually tourists.

 
2005-04-24 06:53:25 PM
CanSomeonePleaseKilltheChristmasShoes:

You have to go back 500 years to find something to insult Catholicism with.


Dude... I mean dude...
/me shakes head.
Dude...
argh, where the hell have you been latly? I can think of a few things to insult Catholicism with...
not even counting the covering up of kiddie fiddling.
 
2005-04-24 06:59:55 PM
ooops should have read more of CanSomeonePleaseKilltheChristmasShoes posts.

Clearly joking.
Carry on.
 
2005-04-24 07:49:59 PM
who cares?
 
2005-04-24 07:57:40 PM
CanSomeonePleaseKilltheChristmasShoes:

Well I usually dont enjoy being beaten by a wrench, but she is a Chinese by Nation. She may identify with US as her "Country" and she may have US citizenship, but she's a chinese by nation. (Think Navajo nation)

So, you are a member of the Anglo-Saxon "nation"? No, people of Chinese descent are not "nationally Chinese". This is so blatantly clear and unarguable that I am having trouble believing you are bothering to argue it.

Whatever it is you're trying to prove in this thread, you are certainly proving something else beyond a shadow of a doubt.
 
2005-04-24 08:08:23 PM
I'm not sure if that is that:

"some people refuse to accept reality"

or-

"some people hate the church so much, that they compare a scandal which, though really bad, resulted in the killings of ZERO people, with a political system called Communism, which was so bad that it resulted in the murders of maybe 100 million people."
 
2005-04-24 08:15:38 PM
CanSomeonePleaseGetMeAShorterFarkhandle
WAAAAAAY beyond a shadow of a doubt, you sir, are a complete deluded fool. Thank you for letting me know there are people alive even dumber than our idiot file girl at work.

/she believes it should never rain in Norcal because we can buy water from L.A.
//you are even more inane
///wow, never thought I'd say that
 
2005-04-24 08:17:21 PM
CanSomeonePlease...
I am a Protestant.

If my words cause someone reading them to go to the nearby Catholic Church and become closer to Christ, I will be overjoyed.

Would you say the same if your words cause someone to go to a nearby Methodist Church?

Regards.
 
2005-04-24 08:18:30 PM
Whatever works for you.
 
2005-04-24 08:24:09 PM
CanSomeonePleaseKilltheChristmasShoes: Whatever works for you.

I had recently thought about starting to explore the major religions again. You have convinced me that my previous opinion was correct in that major religions are full of people who are full of shiat.

Your words have convinced me to stay an atheist and to reject all who label themselves Christian (except for my seminarian friend who is really sarcastic, she rocks).

Glad this is working so well for you. Thank you for your work.

/snicker
 
2005-04-24 08:28:06 PM
All of this just makes me think: How much for sucky-phucky?
 
2005-04-24 08:28:08 PM
Woops-

"WAAAAAAY beyond a shadow of a doubt, you sir, are a complete deluded fool.
//you are even more inane
///wow, never thought I'd say that


"Whatever works for you,"
was for that lovely contribution to farkdom

To answer this question:
stpickrell [TotalFark]

CanSomeonePlease...
"I am a Protestant. (what a surprise)

If my words cause someone reading them to go to the nearby Catholic Church and become closer to Christ, I will be overjoyed.

Would you say the same if your words cause someone to go to a nearby Methodist Church?"


I consider my brand of Chrisianity to be Catholicism, and I feel an affinity with all those who follow and worship Christ. (however much some of them may hate me, and hate other Christians like those in Yugoslavia/Iraq/Syria, and you can feel the hate at least for me on this one thread)

But of course the answer to your question is easy: Yes.
I would urge them/You/Y'all to come to the Catholic Church, but by all means follow Christ.
/was that a trick question?
 
2005-04-24 08:39:08 PM
Korovyov

Um, yeah. I'm sure that the massive territorial difference between modern China and that of, say, the borders existing at the time the Qin united the Chinese state were merely accounted for my marriages, gifts, and other thoroughly peaceful non-coercive means. And that the Chinese-Indian border conflict was a fluke. And that Tibet was always Chinese territory, so of course it doesn't count.


Actually, the territory is roughly the same as the areas controlled by Kublai Khan after the Mongols successfully conquered China in 1279. Tibet was added to the empire at this time; Kublai Khan's grandfather Ghengis Khan had conquered them. When the Chinese regained control of the empire a century later, they kept the additional territories that the Mongols had taken.

a political system called Communism, which was so bad that it resulted in the murders of maybe 100 million people.

Firstly Communism is an economic system, not political, and the nations that call or have called themselves Communist (USSR, PRC, DPRK) are not really Communist; they break every tenet that Marx laid down. Calling them Communist would be like calling North Korea a democracy because they put the words "Democratic" and "Republic" in their name. They call themselves Communist, but they never have actually practiced any of the philosophies of Communism.
 
2005-04-24 08:39:16 PM
FarkmeBlind

I had recently thought about starting to explore the major religions again. You have convinced me that my previous opinion was correct in that major religions are full of people who are full of shiat.

Your words have convinced me to stay an atheist and to reject all who label themselves Christian (except for my seminarian friend who is really sarcastic, she rocks).

Glad this is working so well for you. Thank you for your work.

/snicker


You expect me to care about the silly lies of a self-professed athiest and a guarded defender of Athiestic Communism? HA! I rebuke you!

/But on the outside chance that there was the smallest iota of truth in your last post, then I simply urge you to follow the instructions on my previous post as well:

I would urge them/You/Y'all to come to the Catholic Church, but by all means follow Christ.


The choice is yours, follow Christ,
or laugh at my plea with your little Gaia buddies
 
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