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2005-04-19 01:15:23 PM  
Is billbixby's pic of Rowan Atkinson ? (sp) Pope Bean I?

/love that 'nubian please' pic
 
2005-04-19 01:15:28 PM  
From that link I posted above:

The modern world lived in the worship of progress and reason. After two world wars, the Gulags, Auschwitz, and terrorism, do the notions of progress and reason still make sense?

I have always been skeptical of the concept of progress. There is, of course, a progress in the amount of knowledge, in science and technology. But this progress does not necessarily bring about a progress in moral values, nor in our ability to put to good use the power granted by knowledge. On the contrary, power can be a factor of destruction. I have always been contrary to the Utopian spirit, to faith in a perfect societyconceiving of a perfect society once and for all means excluding the freedom of every day. It is certainly true that reason and morality are fragile, that a society can always autodestruct. We must hope in the presence of sufficient moral strength that is capable of contrasting evil.
 
2005-04-19 01:15:48 PM  
"The Vatican Enforcer" - Prepare for the crackdown.

http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives/041699/041699a.htm
 
2005-04-19 01:15:53 PM  
Is it just me, or is there a face in the smoke?

Yes, and it looks like Saddam wearing a baseball cap
 
2005-04-19 01:16:02 PM  
Gotta go tell my mom and listen to her biatch.
 
2005-04-19 01:16:04 PM  
Weaver95: ...says the man after he gets his ass handed to him for trolling...

I think not. If anything, you make it seem as if this issue IS unquestionable, and anyone with a dissenting opinion is wasting his time.
 
2005-04-19 01:17:48 PM  
"Hey blindman, you're dumb. Protestants actually DO have a central leader."

"Who is it, pray tell?"

Are you kidding? Everyone knows it's George Bush.
 
2005-04-19 01:17:57 PM  
Let's try to be a bit fairer on the Hilter Youth thing. It's not like you had a lot of say in whether you joined that or not when you were a boy. Also, he deserted the German army, only to be thrown into a concentration camp.

Having said that, I think he's as good a choice for the Papacy as Bolton is for the UN Ambassadorship.

(FYI, bad choices. Really bad ones.)

But don't worry too much, he'll die soon anyway. I still feel bad for Africa and women though. :(
 
2005-04-19 01:19:00 PM  
2005-04-19 01:14:23 PM cattheotherwhitemeat [TotalFark]

No point in asking, whidbey. I expressed sadness that they've chosen the non-reform guy, and a hope that the next one might be better, and he accused me of wanting the next one to be pro-choice. Where the hell did that come from? No matter how many Catholics I hit, their personality quirks stay the same level of strange-seeming they always were.

You and Whidbey should form a group. Why would the Cardinals select a "lesser" person to be pope in hopes of getting a "better" one later? They chose the "best" one for this era.
 
2005-04-19 01:19:15 PM  
I think not.

And yet your continued presence in this thread suggests otherwise.

If anything, you make it seem as if this issue IS unquestionable, and anyone with a dissenting opinion is wasting his time.

nah, just ignoring matters of fact.

But whatever - i'm sure this mean NOTHING at all to you. So here we are 20 posts later into a thread where you've gone to GREAT LENGTHS to tell us all just how little this event means to you and how irrelevant the Church is in modern life.

Hmm. That's a lot of bandwidth to waste on something that so unimportant....
 
2005-04-19 01:19:57 PM  
You guys need to get out more; the Pope is not Infallible in all matters. The Pope is Infallible regarding church doctrine ONLY. When he makes rulings on church doctrine, what he says, goes.

People who think he's attributed the power of omniscience are dopes.
 
2005-04-19 01:20:28 PM  
MorePeasPlease:
The new pope just declared that as the first example of his new leadership, he was ordering the sale of all the Vatican's luxurious trappings and giving the profits to the needy of the world. And he and his cardinals would now live modestly and generously as Christ advocated.

Heaven Less Opulent than Vatican, Reports Disappointed Pope.
 
2005-04-19 01:20:37 PM  
Weaver95:
Hmm. That's a lot of bandwidth to waste on something that so unimportant....

perhaps its compensation for something that's lacking? ;)
 
2005-04-19 01:20:38 PM  


Have fun storming the castle, boys!
 
2005-04-19 01:20:58 PM  
PopeApoluzza

Pope Benedict XVI and the Ratsingers?
 
2005-04-19 01:21:57 PM  
2005-04-19 01:16:04 PM whidbey [TotalFark]

Weaver95: ...says the man after he gets his ass handed to him for trolling...

I think not. If anything, you make it seem as if this issue IS unquestionable, and anyone with a dissenting opinion is wasting his time.


Asking why electing a new pope a significant event is not a dissenting opinion. It's a statement of your ignorance. Reading a history book would have enlightened you as to why it is significant. Just paying attention to the world around you helps as well.
 
2005-04-19 01:22:26 PM  
perhaps its compensation for something that's lacking? ;)

Not my place to say. I'm still reading up on Benedicts' writings in another window. This guy is really gonna piss off the Left worldwide. Smart cookie tho.
 
2005-04-19 01:22:46 PM  
Alright, it was funky that he was in the Hitler Youth and had the whole episonde with the anti-aircraft gun and the concentration camp prisoners ... but what choice really did a teenager back then have when it was compulsary? He did desert from the army.

Still, his right-wing attitude and Star Wars emperor looks are pretty freaky.
 
2005-04-19 01:23:01 PM  
whidbey, Weaver95, Wytchocolate

Hey guys, where do I sign up for Total Fark again? Your discussions seem riveting.
 
2005-04-19 01:23:17 PM  

"farking Germans. Nothing changes..."

/obligatory
 
2005-04-19 01:23:29 PM  
I was wondering why he choose the name Benedict. Here's something to chew on, Benedict the XV who reigned during WWI (a war pope - coincidence?) wanted to unite all of Christianity under a single leader (The Pope). Other than that it looks like Benedict the XV was a bit of a wuss.

From the about.com biography of Benedict the XV.

http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/western/bldef_benedictxv.htm

"Benedict was also active in the effort to unify all of Christianity under a single leadership (namely, the pope's). To that end, he established the Congregation for the Oriental Church and the Pontifical Oriental Institute in Rome in 1917 as part of the long-standing Catholic desire to bring the Eastern Orthodox churches under Roman control."
 
2005-04-19 01:23:56 PM  
"We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as definitive and has as its highest value one's own ego and one's own desires," he declared at a pre-conclave Mass in St. Peter's Basilica.

Just that one statement alone makes this guy okay in my book.
 
2005-04-19 01:24:24 PM  
The Pope is Infallible regarding church doctrine ONLY

Cool, then I still have a chance to beat him at chess.

/Road to Gandolfo anyone?
 
2005-04-19 01:24:39 PM  
Weaver95
Great link, thank you! Check this one out:

The Church declares that she is against intolerance. But isnt she a victim herself of intolerance?
Certainly. There have been, on one hand, the totalitarian philosophies, even if currently Marxism is in crisis. On the other, agnostic rationalism is not as pacific as it might seem. Some consider the Church to be the last bulwark of intolerance, but in order to combat this intolerance, they become intolerant. And this intolerance can turn into violence.

I can only shake my head to this one...
 
2005-04-19 01:25:24 PM  
I was wondering why he choose the name Benedict.

It's an interesting choice. He's something of a hardliner himself tho. And he's spent the past couple of years safeguarding Church doctrine too.
 
2005-04-19 01:26:02 PM  
If you were from another planet and witnessed all of this silliness you'd be obliged to think that the Pope is the deity unto which all good Catholics are to worship. They certainly don't seem to get this excited over God. But a mere mortal man is crowned with a funny hat and some slick new threads and - OMFG!!111
 
2005-04-19 01:26:41 PM  
{b>Wytchocolate:

Reading a history book would have enlightened you as to why it is significant. Just paying attention to the world around you helps as well.

I'm well aware of the history.

Why it's still important in this day and age I don't understand. I don't like the politics, the religion is a sham for the most part, and I'm appalled that a billion people would look to an old man to be their supreme channel to the Almighty.
 
2005-04-19 01:26:51 PM  
Does this mean the religious nuts here in America are going to get even nuttier? Because that would be great *golf clap*
 
2005-04-19 01:27:28 PM  
Goodnight, funnyman.
 
2005-04-19 01:27:40 PM  
corker
"Hey blindman, you're dumb. Protestants actually DO have a central leader."
"Who is it, pray tell?"
Are you kidding? Everyone knows it's George Bush.


Jesus is the Central leader.
 
2005-04-19 01:28:01 PM  
Pollexabator - I thought this response was particularly interesting myself:

Is the confrontation between the Western world and the Muslim world a clash of civilizations?

Islam does not exist as one solid bloc. There is no Magisterium of Islam, nor a centralized Islamic constitution. The Koran furnishes certain common referents for the Islamic world. But it gives rise to different interpretations, and Islam becomes concrete within very diverse cultural contexts, from Indonesia to India, from the Middle East to Africa. Therefore, the Islamic world is not a bloc and it does not erase national temperaments: there are countries with an Islamic majority which are extremely tolerant and others that exclude Christianity to a greater or lesser degree.

Today, Islam is massively present in Europe. And there seems to be emerging a certain amount of blame on the part of those who feel that the West has lost its moral conscience. For example, whenever marriage and homosexuality are considered equivalent, whenever atheism is transformed into a right to blasphemy, especially in art, these facts are horrible for Muslims. Hence, the widespread impression, in the Islamic world, that Christianity is dying, that the West is falling into decadence, and the feeling that Islam alone brings the light of faith and morality. Some Muslims see in this an unbridgeable opposition between the Western worldand its moral and religious relativismand the Islamic world. To speak of a confrontation of cultures is sometimes correct: in the rebuke of the West we find the consequences of the past, when Islam was subjected to the domination of the European countries. We can thus reach the point of terrible extremes of fanaticism. This is one of the faces of Islam; it is not all of Islam. There are also Muslims who seek a peaceful dialogue with Christians. Consequently, it is important to judge the various aspects of a situation which is worrisome for all sides.

Italics mine.
 
2005-04-19 01:28:30 PM  
2005-04-19 01:23:01 PM HotWingConspiracy

whidbey, Weaver95, Wytchocolate

Hey guys, where do I sign up for Total Fark again? Your discussions seem riveting.


Ultrafark is better And it's FREE!!!
 
2005-04-19 01:28:45 PM  
Why it's still important in this day and age I don't understand. I don't like the politics, the religion is a sham for the most part, and I'm appalled that a billion people would look to an old man to be their supreme channel to the Almighty.

The fact is they do. That's what makes it important. You are usually not this dense Whidbey, whats up?
 
2005-04-19 01:29:18 PM  
Pollexabator: I can only shake my head to this one...

irony, anyone?
 
2005-04-19 01:30:38 PM  
I don't like the politics, the religion is a sham for the most part, and I'm appalled that a billion people would look to an old man to be their supreme channel to the Almighty.

Ok everyone, pack up and head home. whidbey says we have to stop all this nonsense...

I understand it's your opinion and I'm an ex-Catholic myself, but you have to appreciate that maybe our opinion has little bearing on the Church's future, right?
 
2005-04-19 01:31:23 PM  
Well, it's a Pope-loving thread, jst3p.

No dissenting allowed. It's "just the way it is," isn't it?

I'm clearly in the wrong place.
 
2005-04-19 01:32:25 PM  
2005-04-19 01:26:41 PM whidbey [TotalFark]

{b>Wytchocolate:

Reading a history book would have enlightened you as to why it is significant. Just paying attention to the world around you helps as well.

I'm well aware of the history.

Why it's still important in this day and age I don't understand. I don't like the politics, the religion is a sham for the most part, and I'm appalled that a billion people would look to an old man to be their supreme channel to the Almighty.


The Pope is someone who is a spirtual leader for the Catholic Church. He's not the middle man between Catholics and God. If you had a question about something, anything, wouldn't you consult someone who had more knowledge?
 
2005-04-19 01:34:24 PM  
No dissenting allowed. It's "just the way it is," isn't it?

I'm clearly in the wrong place.


Dissenting would be expressing your displeasue at the pope or the RCC. To claim that it is not an important event is not dissent, it is either ignorance or trolling.

Personal beliefs aside can you not see why this is an important event with ramamfications that will have a global effect?
 
2005-04-19 01:34:38 PM  
2005-04-19 01:31:23 PM whidbey [TotalFark]

Well, it's a Pope-loving thread, jst3p.

No dissenting allowed. It's "just the way it is," isn't it?

I'm clearly in the wrong place.


Nobody's questioning your right to dissent. But be prepared to get called on the carpet when you make the statements you do.
 
2005-04-19 01:35:24 PM  
I'm clearly in the wrong place.

Gee, you insult people and their religion and then act surprised when they slam back? methinks you should have given the matter some more thought before diving in....
 
2005-04-19 01:35:27 PM  
there is a joke from the church about how over the top and strick ratzinger is about the catholic religion...

razinger and two theologians die and go two heaven. one by one the go in and meet with god. the first theologion in, and comes out crying, "how could i have been so wrong about everything?!?!" then the second theologian goes in, and comes out crying too, "how could i have been so wrong about everything?!?!". then ratzinger goes in, they're in there for a while, then god comes out crying, "how could i have been so wrong about everything?!?!"

//buddhist
 
2005-04-19 01:35:36 PM  
Wytchocolate:

If you had a question about something, anything, wouldn't you consult someone who had more knowledge?

But does a Pope necessarily have more knowledge? Especially when he's more of a monarch than a cleric?

Pollexabator:

but you have to appreciate that maybe our opinion has little bearing on the Church's future, right

I wish more had the same opinion, quite frankly.
 
2005-04-19 01:35:50 PM  
SilentStrider
My thoughts exactly. Why is it that the new Pope (and generally all Church leadership) think the 20th century absolved the Church of what it did in the previous 10 centuries?! "We said we were sorry, it's all good now."

Where might the Marxists and Fascists have learned the perfected tactics of doing ANYTHING to keep power? Drowning in the irony...
 
2005-04-19 01:36:48 PM  
I wish more had the same opinion, quite frankly.

Wish in one hand, shiat in the other. Guess which fills up first.
 
2005-04-19 01:36:49 PM  
But does a Pope necessarily have more knowledge?

This one certainly does.
 
2005-04-19 01:37:47 PM  
The more I read up on this Pope, the more I like him.
 
2005-04-19 01:38:19 PM  
how bout a little respect submitter?
 
2005-04-19 01:38:51 PM  
Why is it that the new Pope (and generally all Church leadership) think the 20th century absolved the Church of what it did in the previous 10 centuries?! "We said we were sorry, it's all good now."

Isn't that pretty much what the US did for slavery and denying blacks civi rights for a long period of time?

Is the US evil because we used to allow slavery?

Let it go man.
 
2005-04-19 01:40:57 PM  
Weaver
Yeah, definitely an interesting quote. This portion struck me as odd too, "Hence, the widespread impression, in the Islamic world, that Christianity is dying, that the West is falling into decadence, and the feeling that Islam alone brings the light of faith and morality."

Pardon me, your Holiness, but isn't church attendance at an all time low in Germany and most other Western European countries...? Is it really just an "impression" that the Church is in trouble in America too?
 
2005-04-19 01:42:02 PM  
jst3p:

Isn't that pretty much what the US did for slavery and denying blacks civi rights for a long period of time?

That's a very unfair comparison, considering that the US has made quite a few strides along with the footdragging.

If the Church voluntarily gave up most of its power as a gesture of goodwill and atonemen for its past, I just might respect that decision.

Actually go back to the notion of the man humble before God, and without the excesses/extravagances...
 
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