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(Journal News)   Tax preparer files returns with credits for slavery reparations, segregation, treatment as second-class citizens and separate-but-equal laws. Government smackdown ensues   (thejournalnews.com ) divider line
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2005-04-16 10:37:04 AM  
The IRS has actually paid credits these in the past? Looks like they are bucking for their own "dumbass" tag.
 
2005-04-16 10:45:20 AM  
No, the IRS has never paid credit for that. Just like the claim that you can deduct your entire wage as "necessary expesnes for the generation of income", this has no basis in reality.
 
2005-04-16 10:53:23 AM  
frankmanhog:

FTFA:
The federal government began cracking down on such bogus claims in 2002 after the Internal Revenue Service mistakenly paid out more than $30 million in slave-reparations credits in 2000 and part of 2001.
 
2005-04-16 10:56:27 AM  
salo2112: frankmanhog:

FTFA:


Pwned! Someone needs to make an image of that...
 
2005-04-16 11:02:21 AM  
frankmanhog: No, the IRS has never paid credit for that.

salo2112: Internal Revenue Service mistakenly paid out

The IRS has never allowed such a claim, but given the size of the agency and the sheer number of returns, bogus claims are bound to slip through. I doubt very seriously an IRS employee personally read a line that said "slave reparations credits" and gave it the OK.
 
2005-04-16 11:13:25 AM  
It's time to do away with the IRS.
 
2005-04-16 11:18:16 AM  
I promise you that if you went with a consumption tax, charitable contributions would fall. Many people donate because they need the tax write off....not out of the goodness of their hearts.
 
2005-04-16 11:23:05 AM  
Business would be a lot different, too. You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would) the number of business models that only work because of the tax writeoffs involved... indoor shopping malls are a good example.
 
nm
2005-04-16 11:28:48 AM  
2005-04-16 11:23:05 AM knucklebreather [TotalFark] indoor shopping malls are a good example.
I woudl be in favor of doing away with those.
Still, VAT like taxes suck.
 
2005-04-16 11:29:45 AM  
Dancin_In_Anson: It's time to do away with the IRS.

So people with stocks and other non-earned income would not have to pay capital gains? Also, the less money you earn, the bigger percentage of it is spent. A CEO making $128 million a year would only spend about 5% of his income, where a family of four collectively making $60,000 a year probably spends 80% of their income. And a quote from the site, "... the less you buy, the less you pay in taxes." Doesn't sound too good for the economy or fair really. Wouldn't you need some federal organization to collect and handle all these federal taxes coming in... like the IRS?
 
2005-04-16 11:59:33 AM  
CCCPSpy: So people with stocks and other non-earned income would not have to pay capital gains?


That's correct...but the shiat they buy with the money they made is taxed...

Wouldn't you need some federal organization to collect and handle all these federal taxes coming in... like the IRS?

Yes but they wouldn't be the IRS that we know and love today.
 
2005-04-16 12:02:19 PM  
CCCPSpy:

A CEO making $128 million a year would only spend about 5% of his income, where a family of four collectively making $60,000 a year probably spends 80% of their income.


The CEO would pay taxes on $6.4 million in purchases...the Family of four would pay on 64k.

Sounds good to me.
 
2005-04-16 12:09:29 PM  
Then again, it would create a black market economy and kill tax revenue.
 
2005-04-16 12:16:11 PM  
Cowboy Spencer: Then again, it would create a black market economy and kill tax revenue.


I don't see that as the case. There will be some black market activity...just as there is now (cigarettes) but the massive scale that would have to exist to drop revenues in a damaging fashion could not sustain itself and stay "black"
 
2005-04-16 01:54:40 PM  
I don't know how the IRS processes returns, but we would have caught something like this instantly. Then I would have got to slap them around with a phone book in a darkened room for a while. My job has some perks.
 
2005-04-16 02:05:17 PM  
Reminds me of that Chapelle sketch about"How are you gonna spend your "reparations" payment".

Funny stuff.

Reparations is wrong. A lot of white non-slave owners died freeing the slaves. There was this incident caled the Civil War. I think the price was paid.

/never owned one slave

//doesn't know any former slave owners

///doesn't know any former slaves

//// does know a lot of stupid muthafrkkkers that might fall for this shiat though.
 
2005-04-16 02:50:41 PM  
This is a perennial scam. Find people not particular good at numbers, make a bunch of fraudulent deductions, soak them for a percentage of the refund, and then vanish before the audit comes through to get the money back. It sounds like they just didn't vanish quick enough.
 
MWB
2005-04-16 02:56:32 PM  
So Dancin in Anson it sounds fine to you that although that person makes 2133 times MORE money than the 60k person they only pay 100 times more tax? Way to farking crush the middle class moron. Sorry, but you'll never make that much money, so stop argueing for the rich to be filthy slobs on the hopes that someday you'll be rich too.

/Greed is a sin, bible humpers don't ever remember that
 
2005-04-16 02:56:36 PM  
he may look white --

that's because he's

a black albino.
 
daz
2005-04-16 02:57:44 PM  
The vicious cycle of self-victimization and re-opening new wounds never heals until the victim forgives the attacker.

However, one cannot be forgiven until one asks for forgiveness.

Whites, as a race, need to ask forgiveness for past wrongs and blacks, as a race, need to forgive them for it. Until that happens, we'll just keep repeating the race wars over and over again.

The race wars are a macrochasm of any simple family dispute. Until one side asks for forgiveness and the other forgives, they will just keep fighting and reopening old wounds and opening new ones.
 
2005-04-16 03:01:50 PM  
daz

...but where would the FUN be if people starting LIKING each other.
 
2005-04-16 03:03:16 PM  
Listen up Yanks, consumptions taxes do not work. I know, I'm a canadian.

We have the GST and the PST...some even have an HST.

You'd not be shocked to know how easy it is to NOT pay these taxes...how much of the Canadian economy has been driven underground.

To make up the shortfall ... they raise taxes....

I say a flat tax, NO EXEMPTIONS, would be fair. Maybe 15%.

Yeah, everybody pays 15%, no exemptions.

No more frigging taxes.
 
2005-04-16 03:05:09 PM  
Diabolic

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2005-04-16 03:05:22 PM  
daz: However, one cannot be forgiven until one asks for forgiveness.

Untrue. I've forgiven plenty of asshats without their asking. I also don't think you need to verbally say "you're forgiven" to someone to forgive them, either. And giving somebody money certainly doesn't guarantee forgiveness.

MWB: /Greed is a sin, bible humpers don't ever remember that

That's either a typo or one of the funniest visuals I've had in a while!
 
2005-04-16 03:05:36 PM  
daz,

I never owned a slave, and as far back as I can research no-one in my family ever had a slave...

I don't owe any apologies.

The problem is that, with history, go back far enough and you'll find a reason to hate.

The now is more important that 140 years ago.

r
 
2005-04-16 03:05:36 PM  
The same people that think slavery reparations should be paid out are the same morons that think the lottery is a wise way to spend your money...it's just a tax on folks that don't know that fancy 'math' stuff too well.
 
2005-04-16 03:06:00 PM  
Like it, but unrealistic

/at least it gives the bean counters something to do
//wish they'd look closer at the corporate returns-probably find credits for "Las Vegas Hand/Blow Jobs-client expense"
 
2005-04-16 03:06:08 PM  
daz - you say "whites as a race" and "blacks as a race". You are applying a massively idiotic oversimplification to the way real life works.

Even though I look white, it doesn't mean I'm part of some big Club Of White People. It's not like we all act together in unison.

I never personally bought/sold/owned any slaves, therefore I owe an apology to exactly no one.
 
2005-04-16 03:08:06 PM  
"Reparations" have already been paid, in blood.
 
2005-04-16 03:09:08 PM  
Phil Herup

There was this incident caled the Civil War. I think the price was paid.

are you being serious? please tell me you're trying to be funny
 
2005-04-16 03:10:13 PM  
I don't get why people think consumption tax is some great thing. Our government has income needs, and those needs will be met. Either way you do it, their hands will be in your pockets.
 
2005-04-16 03:11:04 PM  
I support the idea of a flat/fair tax, but the mechanics behind a consumption tax seem complicated since it has to be applied toward every purchase, and I could see a lot of people trying to find ways around it.

To me, the flat income tax seems simpler. "How much money did you generate last year? You now owe 17% percent of that." It seems a little harder to hide from.

Is one method superior to the other or are they both two sides to the same coin?

/too lazy to read it up
 
2005-04-16 03:12:00 PM  
daz I dont need forgiveness for anything. just because I'm white doesnt mean I need to ask forgiveness. I havent done anything to anyone that I need forgiveness for. Black people dont need to be apologized to for slavery either. none of them have ever been enslaved. its bullshiat to think that saying some empty words that noone alive has a right to say is going to change anything.
 
2005-04-16 03:14:04 PM  
Know a guy who is "white" but adopted as an infant and raised by a black family. When he volunteered at an inner-city school during college a bunch of kids in a high window once threw stuff at him and were yelling "look at that white boy!" His brain nearly short-circuited.
 
2005-04-16 03:14:41 PM  
plus I come from an irish/german family. we came over after the civil war. I'm whiter than anyone from a plantation can claim to be. so why dont you apologize for your asshat family and leave mine and the rest of the race out of it?
 
2005-04-16 03:17:24 PM  
The problem with flat and consumption taxes is that they're both regressive, the consumption tax even more so than the flat tax. Sure, that CEO MIGHT make 6.4 million in purchases, and the family of four might make 64k, but when that represents 5% of the CEO's income, and 50% of the family's, who's getting hit harder?

The reason taxation is so complicated is NOT because of the sliding scale. Honestly, how hard is it to figure out what income bracket you fall into. The REAL problem is all the exemptions, loopholes, and write offs.
 
2005-04-16 03:17:33 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: It's time to do away with the IRS.


A true flat tax would be better. Have an income floor somewhere around the poverty level, and anything above that you pay a flat rate on. No deductions. No credits. Everybody pays the same rate, except for the truly poor.

The only "loophole" I would be inclined to include would not be a deduction, but a deferral for investing money. You put the money in the bank (or investment account), you don't pay taxes on it until the tax year you withdraw it. No limits on how much or how long or how old you have to be.

Now, if anybody out there believes that the tax system will EVER get changed in this country unless there is a bloody Bolshevik style revolution, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
 
2005-04-16 03:18:22 PM  
Entropy:

The problem with flat and consumption taxes is that they're both regressive, the consumption tax even more so than the flat tax. Sure, that CEO MIGHT make 6.4 million in purchases, and the family of four might make 64k, but when that represents 5% of the CEO's income, and 50% of the family's, who's getting hit harder?


Most "flat taxes" people talk about refer to the tax rate, not the actual dollar amount.
 
2005-04-16 03:19:40 PM  
Odd The Viking

I know that. The bulk of that argument was addressing a dollar argument about the CONSUMPTION tax made earlier in the thread. The flat tax has the same things wrong with it, although on a smaller scale.
 
2005-04-16 03:22:41 PM  
Phil Herup: A lot of white non-slave owners died freeing the slaves.

When was this? Last I heard Lincoln freedonly the slaves in the south as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion.. In states that were not confederate,and states who had been requonquered slavery was legal.

So in effect, the more places the North captured, the more places there was legal slavery.
 
2005-04-16 03:22:49 PM  
I don't understand this 'I never had a slave so I owe no one anything' point of view.

If I stole your car and gave it to my son, can he then tell the police 'I never stole anything, I owe no one anything'. And then proceed to continue owning the car because he didn't steal it himself?

IMHO unless you have NO white american heritage you do have some form of 'stolen goods' in your possesion because your ancestors stole from slaves (even if your ancestors didn't own slaves they certainly 'went along for the ride'.

And no I am not in favour of reparations it would be impossible to 'give back the car' as in my analogy, however that doesn't mean nothing sholud be done.
 
2005-04-16 03:24:24 PM  
Has anyone ever asked themselves why a couple only earning $80000 should complain about not having enough money to feed four kids? why are tax dollars subsidizing people for compiling more liability than they are prepared to handle?
 
2005-04-16 03:26:04 PM  
melee2000:

If I stole your car and gave it to my son, can he then tell the police 'I never stole anything, I owe no one anything'. And then proceed to continue owning the car because he didn't steal it himself?

The victim is still alive to have repiration paid or his property returned.
 
2005-04-16 03:26:20 PM  
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2005-04-16 03:27:53 PM  
melee2000

There's a vital bit missing from your analogy. Any restitution would be going to the ancestors of the slaves, unless there are any living people who were held as slaves in the US today?
So we've got a situation where the innocent have to pay blood money to the unwronged. Except it's impossible to figure out who owes what and why. Why not focus our reparation efforts somewhere we can be a little more sure of what we, as a society owe, and give back all our land to the ancestors of the native americans we pillaged it from?
 
2005-04-16 03:28:23 PM  
I will pay reparations for slavery when my family is paid reparations from the British. I'm sure the British will want to wait until they are repaid Reparations from the Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. Those Vikings are going to have hell to pay if this reparation stuff catches on.
 
2005-04-16 03:29:38 PM  
Actually, Melee, it means exactly that. Nothing should be done.

Correction: Something should be done. People should stop whining about things wrong in their life from what was done to their great, great, great, great grandparents. Time to get over it and actually change things.

I am by no means a racist, but I have no sympathy for those who simultaniously complain about and reenforce negitive stereotypes.
 
2005-04-16 03:30:18 PM  
Entropy: The flat tax has the same things wrong with it, although on a smaller scale.


Not it doesn't, it actually benefits the lower income more than the higher. Say you have a minimum income amount of $40,000 where you start the taxes, and a flat rate of 10%. A family with an income of $60,000 pays 10% of the $20,000 difference between 40k and 60k. That's 3.3% of their income. A family that earns $500,000 pays 10% on 460,000, which is 9.2% of their income. The higher the family income, the closer to 10% they pay. The folks at the very bottom end who are below the threshold don't pay anything. Remember, ideally there would no exemptions and loopholes for the higher income folks to deduct.
 
2005-04-16 03:30:20 PM  
MWB:

So Dancin in Anson it sounds fine to you that although that person makes 2133 times MORE money than the 60k person they only pay 100 times more tax? Way to farking crush the middle class moron. Sorry, but you'll never make that much money, so stop argueing for the rich to be filthy slobs on the hopes that someday you'll be rich too.


Perhaps this sums it up better:

"Congress went beyond merely enacting an income tax law and repealed Article IV of the Bill of Rights, by empowering the tax collector to do the very things from which that article says we were to be secure. It opened up our homes, our papers and our effects to the prying eyes of government agents and set the stage for searches of our books and vaults and for inquiries into our private affairs whenever the tax men might decide, even though there might not be any justification beyond mere cynical suspicion.

The income tax is bad because it has robbed you and me of the guarantee of privacy and the respect for our property that were given to us in Article IV of the Bill of Rights. This invasion is absolute and complete as far as the amount of tax that can be assessed is concerned. Please remember that under the Sixteenth Amendment, Congress can take 100% of our income anytime it wants to. As a matter of fact, right now it is imposing a tax as high as 91%. This is downright confiscation and cannot be defended on any other grounds.

The income tax is bad because it was conceived in class hatred, is an instrument of vengeance and plays right into the hands of the communists. It employs the vicious communist principle of taking from each according to his accumulation of the fruits of his labor and giving to others according to their needs, regardless of whether those needs are the result of indolence or lack of pride, self-respect, personal dignity or other attributes of men.

The income tax is fulfilling the Marxist prophecy that the surest way to destroy a capitalist society is by steeply graduated taxes on income and heavy levies upon the estates of people when they die.

As matters now stand, if our children make the most of their capabilities and training, they will have to give most of it to the tax collector and so become slaves of the government. People cannot pull themselves up by the bootstraps anymore because the tax collector gets the boots and the straps as well.

The income tax is bad because it is oppressive to all and discriminates particularly against those people who prove themselves most adept at keeping the wheels of business turning and creating maximum employment and a high standard of living for their fellow men.

I believe that a better way to raise revenue not only can be found but must be found because I am convinced that the present system is leading us right back to the very tyranny from which those, who established this land of freedom, risked their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to forever free themselves..."


It's more than just money...
 
2005-04-16 03:31:29 PM  
Here's a question: do the blacks whith whites in their ancestry get paid,or do they have to pay? Or is it a percentage thing?
 
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