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(New Scientist)   Forty percent of murderers executed by injection feel pain at death. In other news, 100 percent of murder victims do not care   (newscientist.com) divider line 849
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2005-04-15 08:15:18 AM  

asinine... why ?

My impression is that lethal injection as practiced in the US now is no more humane than the gas chamber or electrocution, which have both been deemed inhumane, says Leonidas Koniaris

look, if they're up for death they did something "inhumane".. therefor the method of death shouldn't be based on being inhumane or not.

A bullet to the temple should take care of that problem.

 
2005-04-15 08:16:50 AM  
Heh, great headline.
 
2005-04-15 08:21:26 AM  
Submitter, let's just forget that pesky little part of the Bill or Rights about freedom from cruel and unusual punishment. They're criminals after all and criminals are less then human.
 
2005-04-15 08:21:56 AM  
they should bring in the eye for an eye policy, execute them in the way that they killed
 
2005-04-15 08:23:55 AM  
Gee, maybe if they weren't farkin' murderers, they wouldn't be strapped to the guerney in the first place.

I would say if they didn't offer their victims any anesthesia, they shouldn't get any. If their victims died under pain, we should add something to the IV to increase the pain. Let 'em die in pain and agony. I have no sympathy.
 
2005-04-15 08:24:36 AM  
Awesome headline.
 
2005-04-15 08:24:55 AM  
The only problem with the death penalty is it is not used often enough, or quickly enough.

It's a travesty of justice to the victims when a murderer is allowed to sit on death row for 20 years, wasting tax $ on appeal after appeal, watching tv and getting three meals a day.
 
2005-04-15 08:30:28 AM  
Personally, I'm opposed to lethal injection for the very reason that I don't think it's painful enough. I want good old gory type executions, like hanging and electrocution. Now that'll put the fear of god into a man.

I absolutely, positively support the death penalty. They should be allowed one appeal and then a date with old sparky within 1 month. And before one of you whining asshats starts in on how the death penalty doesn't deter crime, let me just say that I don't care. I don't want this scum on my planet, using up my air.
 
2005-04-15 08:31:16 AM  
I still love how they swab for sterilization before sticking em with the needles...

cute.
 
2005-04-15 08:31:28 AM  
Gee, maybe if they weren't farkin' murderers, they wouldn't be strapped to the guerney in the first place.


Except the wrongfully convicted innocent people, but that hardly ever happens. Except to the people it happens to.
 
2005-04-15 08:32:54 AM  
Except the wrongfully convicted innocent people, but that hardly ever happens. Except to the people it happens to.

You're right. Let's let everyone loose until we can figure out 100% who is guilty. Forget about reasonable doubt, if there is any doubt, let's let them free.
 
nm
2005-04-15 08:33:08 AM  
Personally, the travesty is when someone innocent gets put on deathrow. I was a bit on the fence, but the Illinois deathrow problems have realy put me clearly in the anti-dp camp.
A judical system will always be flawed and the death penalty canmot be correcte after its carried out.
The only way i would ever support it is if the govenor of the state was willing to face the same punishment should an exicuted person later be ound innocent.
I wish i could remember the quote but Ben Franklin (I think) said soemthing like he'd let 100 guilty men to free to avoid punishing 1 innocent man. I'd like to think i'd be willing to go that far.
 
2005-04-15 08:34:04 AM  
You're right. Let's let everyone loose until we can figure out 100% who is guilty. Forget about reasonable doubt, if there is any doubt, let's let them free.


You're right! That's exactly what I said; very nearly word for word!
 
2005-04-15 08:36:10 AM  
You're right! That's exactly what I said; very nearly word for word!

You're the sole proprietor of sarcasm? Good to know.

Innocent people will get convicted. It's a travest, yes, but unavoidable.
 
2005-04-15 08:38:41 AM  
Ex - Farking - zactly! The best headline I have read here.
 
nm
2005-04-15 08:38:51 AM  
Innocent people will get convicted. It's a travest, yes, but unavoidable.
Yes, they will get convicted. But the death penalty removes any hope of that wrong being righted.
 
2005-04-15 08:39:04 AM  
Spoofman_v2.0: let's let them free

Um, who said that? Did I miss something?

/just sayin'
 
2005-04-15 08:39:28 AM  
Innocent people will get convicted. It's a travest, yes, but unavoidable.

It is avoidable by doing away with the death penalty.
 
2005-04-15 08:39:41 AM  
Innocent people will get convicted. It's a travest, yes, but unavoidable.


Yes it's unavoidable, but it's a lot easier to rectify that travesty if you haven't killed its victim unnecessarily.
 
2005-04-15 08:40:32 AM  
binnster:

Except the wrongfully convicted innocent people, but that hardly ever happens. Except to the people it happens to.

Certainly never* happens** in*** our country.

* http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/24/newsid_2546000/25 46983.stm ('terrorists')

** http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/19/newsid_2490000/249 0039.stm (more 'terrorists')

*** http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/21/newsid_2565000/25 65269.stm ('child killers')

(apologies for lack of clicky goodness, Fark doesn't like .stm)
 
2005-04-15 08:40:48 AM  
BillCo: I want good old gory type executions, like hanging and electrocution. Now that'll put the fear of god into a man.

It never did before. What makes you think it will now?
 
2005-04-15 08:42:55 AM  
vegasj:

I still love how they swab for sterilization before sticking em with the needles...

cute.


What are you, a stand-up comic?
 
2005-04-15 08:43:01 AM  
vegasj: I still love how they swab for sterilization before sticking em with the needles...

Wouldn't want them to be sick when they get to Hell, would you? It'd take all the fun out of being there.
 
2005-04-15 08:44:04 AM  
Eat More Possum: The only problem with the death penalty is it is not used often enough, or quickly enough.

If you honestly think that is the only problem with the death penalty then you really haven't read up on it much.
 
2005-04-15 08:44:10 AM  
FarkinNortherner

(apologies for lack of clicky goodness, Fark doesn't like .stm)


It's not just Fark - the BBC doesn't seem to like them either...

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2005-04-15 08:44:28 AM  
del_ctrl_alt:

they should bring in the eye for an eye policy, execute them in the way that they killed

Strapping Timothy McVeigh to a rental truck and blowing it up sounds like it would have been fun. And great TV too!
 
2005-04-15 08:46:20 AM  
Um, who said that? Did I miss something?

Why is it one person can be sarcastic, but when another is sarcastic in return, the second person is out of place?

I don't contest that by killing criminals you run the risk of killing innocent people, thereby removing any hope of attaining true justice.

And yes, by not killing them, you allow the possibility that they can be absolved.

I am under the impression that not all cases are continually examined forever, just to see if the person convicted of the crime may actually be innocent.
 
nm
2005-04-15 08:47:23 AM  
2005-04-15 08:31:16 AM vegasj [TotalFark]
I still love how they swab for sterilization before sticking em with the needles...

cute.

Could ou imagine if all movie like the gov calls and suspends the execution. Later, they are found innocent but with HIV.
That lawsuit would cost a fortune. Even the (insanely) remote chance of that happening is enough to justify $.01 to do that.
 
2005-04-15 08:47:47 AM  
Strapping Timothy McVeigh to a rental truck and blowing it up sounds like it would have been fun. And great TV too!

Executions would be public in my perfect world. An instrument of.... fear. Still, I think capital punishment is a phenominal idea, and I will take that to my grave, which will be at the hands of the man, when he slips the needle in.
 
2005-04-15 08:48:45 AM  
binnster: It's not just Fark - the BBC doesn't seem to like them either...

Check the numerical before the .stm -- there is a space inserted in there which will screw up the link. Just remove it and it will work fine (which is why Fark threw it away, maybe?)
 
2005-04-15 08:49:19 AM  
ArcadianRefugee It never did before. What makes you think it will now?

The crime rate has increased dramatically since 1960. 'Nuff said asshat.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/
 
2005-04-15 08:50:16 AM  
BillCo: 'Nuff said asshat.

Wow, already with the name-calling. That *SO* makes me want to listen to your argument.
 
2005-04-15 08:50:47 AM  
The only problem with the death penalty is it is not used often enough, or quickly enough.

Totally agree. Why does everything have to be so damn official? Get some rope, find a tree. I think the process needs to be sped up a bit, but I'm not sure how, exactly.
 
2005-04-15 08:50:51 AM  
Spoofman_v2.0

Why is it one person can be sarcastic, but when another is sarcastic in return, the second person is out of place?



I used sarcasm, you used sarchasm ;^)
 
2005-04-15 08:51:08 AM  
ArcadianRefugee: If you honestly think that is the only problem

I realize there are other problems with it. However I do believe our system molly-coddles murderers. We do need to have a way to make sure no innocent goes to the death chamber, while seeing that the guilty make their trip quicker.
 
2005-04-15 08:52:09 AM  
Innocent people will get convicted. It's a travesty, yes, but unavoidable.

What can be avoided, however, is torturing those innocent people in their last moments of life. As I see it, either way the killer dies, humanely or inhumanely. Why should the occasional innocent person have to suffer through a botched lethal injection just so someone can feel some snse of eye-for-an-eye vengeance when the end result is the same: the killer is no longer breathing our air.
 
nm
2005-04-15 08:52:11 AM  
I am under the impression that not all cases are continually examined forever, just to see if the person convicted of the crime may actually be innocent.
I think that was the case with at least some of the innocents in Illinois. I mean after all, more people were exonerated than put to death in Illinois after it was reinstated after the ban in the 1970s (12 to 17).
Then some meddling college students got involved.
If 17 innocents americans were killed on trumped up charges in China, we'd certainly care.
 
2005-04-15 08:52:19 AM  
Off topic a bit, I am not normally an advocate of the death penalty- purely for financial reasons; with all the neccesary appeals, it costs millions of dollars to execute a criminal.

However, I am an advocate of the death penalty in cases where the crimes are overly heinous (killing police officers, killing children, serial killers, etc.). In these cases, I don't have a problem having a weekly "America's Most Wanted- The Final Chapter" on FOX every week where these individuals are dealt with.
 
2005-04-15 08:52:55 AM  
I used sarcasm, you used sarchasm

Oh I understood your sarcasm. Which is why my reply WASN'T SERIOUS. It was sarcasm as well, merely from the opposing viewpoint.
 
2005-04-15 08:53:16 AM  
Spoofman_v2.0:

Why is it one person can be sarcastic, but when another is sarcastic in return, the second person is out of place?

Hey, hey, simmer down now... This is (obviously) an incendiary topic for many.

I'm just saying that it's a pretty radical leap from "abolish death penalty" to "clean out the prisons a la Mariel". That's all.

Notice I've been careful to NOT express an opinion on the death penalty one way or another here. Just having an intellectual discussion with other intelligent folk on an important national issue.
 
2005-04-15 08:53:25 AM  
This is well on the way to being one of the most sarcastic threads I've ever read.
 
2005-04-15 08:53:29 AM  
Great headline submitter
 
2005-04-15 08:53:39 AM  
Eat More Possum: However I do believe our system molly-coddles murderers.

I'll agree with that. Sorry to have mistaken your exaggeration for actual belief.
 
nm
2005-04-15 08:53:51 AM  
EMP but the question is, how do we do that?
Short of infallabel mind reading, I'm not sure its possibile.
 
2005-04-15 08:54:34 AM  
Eat More Possum:

The only problem with the death penalty is it is not used often enough, or quickly enough.

Yeah, you're only in third place in the league of the world's top executioners, right after China and Iran. Must make you proud to be up with such luminaries of human rights and civilisation.
 
2005-04-15 08:54:37 AM  
This is why I believe in being able to carry a concealed weapon. I hope I'd never have to use it, but I wouldn't feel bad about pulling the trigger on someone hurting my family.
 
2005-04-15 08:55:56 AM  
No system can ever be perfect. There will always be someone wrongly incarcerated, or wrongly executed. Yes, it will suck when it is YOU or ME, but it happens. We can improve the system, but shiat will always happen.
 
2005-04-15 08:56:04 AM  
Spoofman_v2.0

"I used sarcasm, you used sarchasm"

Oh I understood your sarcasm. Which is why my reply WASN'T SERIOUS. It was sarcasm as well, merely from the opposing viewpoint.



I know. People didn't get your sarcasm, whish is why I described it as sarchasm. I can't believe I needed to explain that.
 
2005-04-15 08:57:22 AM  
I'm just saying that it's a pretty radical leap from "abolish death penalty" to "clean out the prisons a la Mariel". That's all.

Agree. I assumed that it was such a radical leap that other people wouldn't respond to it as a serious suggestion.

Notice I've been careful to NOT express an opinion on the death penalty one way or another here. Just having an intellectual discussion with other intelligent folk on an important national issue.

Me neither, I'm trying to understand the different arguments here.

If the agument against the death penalty is that it prevents the occasional innocent person from being exhonerated, then as an extension they should also believe that every case that would have warrented the death penalty should be left open and continuously investigated until there is no doubt who the guilty party is.
 
2005-04-15 08:57:45 AM  
HeadbangerSmurf

This is why I believe in being able to carry a concealed weapon. I hope I'd never have to use it, but I wouldn't feel bad about pulling the trigger on someone hurting my family.

And here I was thinking Fark was a lost cause to the second amendment. Mark down one more name on the list of people that won't be coming for my guns when the man gets pissed. : )
 
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