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2005-04-05 12:35:16 PM
Well he's right about the NBA having better talent. I mean imagine LeBron on an NCAA team. It would be a joke.
 
2005-04-05 12:49:54 PM
All I had to see was "Skip Bayless". I can't stand that bastard. He's the epitome of "I'm always right". I'm surprised to see him claim that the NBA is superior to NCAA. He spends most of his time bashing any NBA player who doesn't look, act, or play like the "angels" of the black & white, short-short, pre-afro days of professional basketball. AI does this wrong...C. Webb doesn't do this...Kobe/Shaq needs to do this...Jason Williams shouldn't do that... Every once and awhile he'll pull his own cock out his mouth to suck on Tim Duncan's, but heaven forbid Duncan doesn't want to play on the US Olympic team. I'm not a big fan of Stephen A. Smith either, but I'll be happy when they have a heated arguement about pro players and Smith flips out on him and kills him, on air, with his screaming.

/end rant
 
2005-04-05 12:50:09 PM
Well he's right about the 3pt line. 19'9? That's ridiculous. It should at least match the international distance of 20'6" so that we don't get cockslapped when we send college kids to the Olympics or Goodwill Games and all that international shiat.
 
2005-04-05 12:51:17 PM
NCAA and NBA lack any players of personality unlike the 80s and early 90s. Either a bunch of cornrowed gangstas or nice but bland "company men" who have trouble enunciating polysyllabalic words.
 
2005-04-05 12:54:27 PM
I would have guessed Wilbon.

/didn't RTFA
 
2005-04-05 12:56:34 PM
Well, he is talking about the NBA playoffs, so I can't rail on him that bad. If he had said the NBA in November is better than the NCAA in March, I think he would have to be institutionalized against his will.
 
2005-04-05 12:59:33 PM
CatchrNdRy

I'm sorry, didn't notice the "Bayless-keteers" were in the house.

I was a straight "A" student, served in my country's military until a medical discharge, now I work on computers for the DOI...but I occasionally can be seen wearing cornrows. Oh no! I must be a "gangsta".

/Here's to judging books by their cover.
 
2005-04-05 01:01:48 PM
I prefer NBA to NCAA but mostly because I feel pervy when I notice a college player is hot and think of dirty things I'd do to him and then realize he's 19.

Also - the NBA has Steve Nash.. mmmmmm....
 
2005-04-05 01:04:38 PM
battl_web17 I have no idea who Bayless is. I am more agreeing with Larry Bird's comment of increasing alienization of fans from the players.

They are trying to put together a badass street ball image. Thats why they dress and act that way.

Is it wrong that I think the game improves with more David Robinsons and less Carmelos? Have you heard post-game interviews of late? they are unintelligible. Not saying everyone has to be an apple polisher but there is a reason why the NBA's popularity is at the lowest ever.
 
2005-04-05 01:19:35 PM
Either a bunch of cornrowed gangstas or nice but bland "company men" who have trouble enunciating polysyllabalic words.

You certainly have a rose-colored view of what the NBA used to be like.

NBA's popularity is at the lowest ever.

There is, but it has nothing to do with the fact that most of its athletes have trouble stringing together more than a few words in a sentence. That's true of all sports. It has to do with the quality of the games, which is below what most people are used to (expansion, I'm looking in your direction).

Skip Bayless is an idiot, but he's right about one thing. NBA Playoffs > March Madness.
 
2005-04-05 01:22:55 PM
He explains why he prefers the NBA... which is fine. He likes to see the superstar atheletes 'taking over' a game. Where I'm from we call that ball-hogging. I prefer to watch games where all five guys know how to work together as a cohesive unit. Watching West Virginia play in the tourney, for example... they were slow, and not very talented overall, but they were great shooters, and passers. They used their teammates, and they worked the clock.

The best NBA basketball you'll see will be replayed in the highlights on sportscenter. The best NCAA basketball you'll see is a possesion where everybody on the team touches the ball once or twice, and eventually somebody comes off of a screen or a backdoor cut and gets an easy layup or jumpshot. But that's just my opinion.
 
2005-04-05 01:28:59 PM
College basketball is the best sport to watch, followed by college football. NFL is next, then MLB playoffs only, then NBA playoffs only. Then I guess PGA, NHL, and the Olympics fill out the bottom three somehow.
 
2005-04-05 01:32:38 PM
I prefer watching College Basketball. Better, I don't know, but more fun. What's the fun in watching an 8ft man dunk over everyone, but miss from a foul line?

And college players seem to at least trying most of the time (gotta prove themselves to the scouts). NBA players all seem like whiney greedy people to me.
 
2005-04-05 01:33:10 PM
Stephen A. Smith is the worst announcer/commentator since Isiah Thomas.
 
2005-04-05 01:36:53 PM
Gimme NBA streetcars with desire and the greatest overall athletic ability of any players in any sport.

BWHAHAHAHAH, what a friggin idiot. Not 1 NBA player has any desire other than fattenin their checkbooks. Greatest athletic ability my ass. I'd like to see Shaq strap on a pair of skates for 20 mins a game. Or bang heads for 30 minutes in a football game. He and every other NBA player would go down like a ton of bricks.

The comparison between NBA and NCAA is best simplified as this. The NBA is five 1 on 1 games going on at once. The NCAA is one 5 on 5 game.
 
2005-04-05 01:40:24 PM
Ramesees

Stephen A. Smith is the worst announcer/commentator since Isiah Thomas.

Agreed, especially when he thought he knew something about football and started bashing the Eagles last season.

Although Bret Mussburger is probably the worst announcer ever, the ESPN Sunday night football crew is not too far behind. Commentator/writer? Smith takes the cake.
 
2005-04-05 01:42:41 PM
eabod Agreed. And not just because you gave props to my Mountaineers. It's great to watch well-executed basketball, the way it was meant to be played. The NBA seems like a lot of one-man shows to me.

Plus, you have to love the atmosphere of any College sport. There is nothing like a rabid section of students that spend the entire game on their feet making noise.

/IMHO
 
2005-04-05 01:42:42 PM
Living in an area that has both pro and big time college hoop and watch them quite a bit, I can agree somewhat with Bayless, the hack that he is. I agree that a NBA best of 7 playoff is a truer test of a team, compared to the one and done of the NCAA's. Does Bucknell beat Kansas in a best of 7? Not a chance in hell. But the one and done format gives March Madeness it's charm. It makes the early rounds fascinating to watch, as compared to a first round NBA series, where upsets are rare.

In the NBA, it's all about matchups anyway. I notice when Bayless was singing the praises of the NBA playoffs, he didn't mention how excruciatingly bad they can be. I'm a big Pistons fan, but I'll admit watching the Pistons / Pacers Eastern Confrence final, at times, was a painful experience. It was ugly, ugly basketball.

So in trying to create controversy, Bayless is comparing apples and oranges. I enjoy them both, why biatch about which is better?
 
2005-04-05 01:48:11 PM
in terms of level of play, the NBA is light years beyond anything the NCAA could ever possibly attain. the athletes are conditioned better and only the elite make it to the League, charles barkley put it best when he said there is not a single bad player in the NBA, its just a matter of how well they play together.

"Also - the NBA has Steve Nash.. mmmmmm...."

i started a whole thread on this one time. what is it with women and steve nash? i think he looks like a deranged baby eater.
 
2005-04-05 01:54:19 PM
"I'd like to see Shaq strap on a pair of skates for 20 mins a game. Or bang heads for 30 minutes in a football game. He and every other NBA player would go down like a ton of bricks."

onecanshort-- do you ride the short bus?? he's 7'1" 325lbs with 7% body fat and something like a 9 foot wingspan. john madden was quoted once as saying shaq would be the greatest offensive lineman of all time if he played in the NFL. you could run an extra reciever wide if you wanted to because you wouldn't have need for a right tackle with shaq snapping the ball.

and as for hockey--nobody cares. hockey sucks and died for a reason.

//can already feel the flames rising from canadian TFers
 
2005-04-05 02:03:45 PM
My $0.02: The NBA is better. The only 4 days I care about the NCAAs are the first two rounds, to see things like Bucknell/Kansas or Vermont/Syracuse.

Plus, the college game brings with it Dick Vitale. Sure, we have Bill Walton, but he's not at every single game during the regular season.
 
2005-04-05 02:06:42 PM
stinky613

John Madden is definately on the short bus, Shaq is big, but he's SLOW. Linebackers would blow by him like he wasnt even there. Maybe Shaq was a poor example, but he is definatley not an athlete. If I was his size, I'd be just a good a basketball player, its not that hard to plant yourself near the net and wait for the ball. Use any other NBA player, wouldnt last a second in the NFL/NHL.

And hockey isnt dead, plenty of good AHL and the NCAA Frozen Four is the 7th. Hockey does not suck, the NHL, yeah maybe. The NBA however, that sucks. I have friends who not only play basketball but also watch plenty of it, or used to. They all agree: the NBA is shiat.
 
2005-04-05 02:13:22 PM
Regardless of the league or who's playing, I think they should just give both teams 100 points and let them play for 2 minutes.

Braves open on Friday. Woohoo!
 
2005-04-05 02:13:32 PM
This guy is on Cold Pizza, and sucks....... he is on Around the Horn also, he will take anything anyone says and argue against it for the sake of arguing. Problem is his arguements never make any sense. I think he watches too much PTI, and does a horrible imitation of it.
 
2005-04-05 02:13:48 PM


superior to both professional and college basketball.
 
2005-04-05 02:14:07 PM
Skip Brainless is a total moron...he'll write anything just to generate buzz.

I listened to him argue on a local Boston sports talk radio station for over an hour that this is a basketball town first and a baseball town second.

He's nothing but a turdbrain, take anything and everything he says with a half-grain of salt.
 
2005-04-05 02:14:11 PM
Im a huge fan of the NBA..and enjoy watching it (Mavs Fan). Although i must say watching the NCAA on TV is much more exciting. Its much more fast paced then the NBA. Those college kids play their hearts out.

The only reason i dont watch the NCAA as much is cuz theres so many teams..
 
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2005-04-05 02:14:31 PM
i am friends with many many hardcore sports fanatics. not a single one watches the nba. zero. 0. nfl, college football, college basketball, nhl, mlb, world cup soccer, hell - even nascar and golf. but not a single one cares 2 big stinkys about the nba.
 
2005-04-05 02:15:48 PM
there's a winner here? i mean, it's basketball.
 
MC3
2005-04-05 02:16:31 PM
The main reason why NCAA is superior is because the players still have something to work towards. Once they get to the NBA they have their multi-million dollar contracts and shoe endorsements - they've made it. They become complacent and lazy.

College basketball has more heart.
 
2005-04-05 02:20:25 PM
I wonder if this discussion will reach infinity. That would be cool.

College basketball is greater than the NBA. Does anyone ever get excited about an NBA team doing well? The season is too long.
 
2005-04-05 02:20:31 PM
"superior to both professional and college basketball."

What, two fat guys in a manclutch?

I would like to point out that Skip Bayless is the same guy who said we still didn't know for sure whether or not Barry Bonds juiced. This was after it was discovered that Barry testified he used the cream. I am a huge Giants fan and I am not that stupid.
 
2005-04-05 02:20:43 PM
Simple indeed. There is no Duke in the NBA. Dukes sucks. Therefore, the NCAA sucks more than the NBA.
 
2005-04-05 02:21:36 PM
Brown - at least it's not baseball. Both are boring.
 
2005-04-05 02:22:15 PM
Thought it would've been the newly-hired Scoop Jackson.

Obviously, the talent is superior, but nothing tops March Madness. Nothing.

And CatchrNdRy, I don't know if you were being funny or not by doing so, but you have too many syllables in "polysyllabalic."
 
2005-04-05 02:22:25 PM
Bunkosquad-

I agree about Bill Walton. But what about Tom Tolbert? Something about that guy doing color commentary annoys the hell out of me. I'll taka TNT's lineup of Marv Albert and Steve Kerr anyday...
 
2005-04-05 02:22:37 PM
this guy's opinion is as worthless as a "Friends" episode.



The NBA lacks the energy and compassion of college basketball. What are they playing for? pride?

or money?
/Rodman surrenders
 
2005-04-05 02:23:26 PM
Shaq is easily the best 7' athlete since Wilt, and is easily the best 300+ pound athlete ever. Anyone who calls him slow (either physically or mentally) has obviously not watched the guy play (or doesn't know what to watch if they have).

Shaq has the strength of an offensive linemen, and yet he's easily the quickest true center in the NBA. Watch the guys feet next time he is trying to get position, or especially once he gets the ball down low. That has at least as much to do with the fact that he can turn and dunk the ball as his strength...
 
2005-04-05 02:23:27 PM
Bayless is a blubbering retard. Farking idiot couldn't think his way out of a paper bag.
 
2005-04-05 02:24:00 PM
Plus, the college game brings with it Dick Vitale. Sure, we have Bill Walton, but he's not at every single game during the regular season.

Vitale isn't at every single game, he's just at every single Duke game so he can suck Coach K's wang and sing praises to his rose-scented shiat.

Vitale does love college ball but he does more harm than good nowadays to the game.
 
2005-04-05 02:24:44 PM
Bayless seems to be more interested in individual players than in teams in his article. Perhaps in all of his adulation for individual talent he has forgotten that basketball is a team sport and although the NBA may be full of 6'6", 250 pound point guards who can tomahawk slam from the foul line - the beauty of the game, in my humble opinion, is found at the college level.

It is at this level where you find the teams that are entertaining to watch. It is also at this level where you see multi-dimensional student-athletes who are more than just flashy images and physical talent.

Bayless is a tool.
 
2005-04-05 02:25:03 PM
NBA players are in it for the money, NCAA players are in it for the sport.
 
2005-04-05 02:25:09 PM
Damn, I almost had a chance at the first "Skip Bayless is a retard" post.
 
2005-04-05 02:25:42 PM
The NBA is five 1 on 1 games going on at once. The NCAA is one 5 on 5 game.

Best.description.evar.
 
2005-04-05 02:26:14 PM
Actually the NCAA b-ball tourney is great, especially if you are gambling. I dont know anybody who gambles on the NBA or its playoffs.
Anyways here is the real list for best sporting events:

1. NCAA Football Reg. Season (bowls suck)
2. NFL Week 5-15 and Playoffs
3. NCCA B-Ball Tourney
4. NHL after All Star Game and Stanleys
5. World Cup Soccer

every other sporting events seems as scripted as WWE
 
2005-04-05 02:27:42 PM
Shaq isn't slow, and you would be nowhere as good as Shaq is you were his size, I'm guessing you are about 5'2", this is a typical short prick attitude - 'if i was his size... blah, blah, blah' dude, your not his size, so get over it, his althletic ability is nothing to scoff at - size is a part of althlectic ability, like it or not shorty -
 
2005-04-05 02:28:46 PM
There are definitely players in the NBA who mail it in, just like there are players in every professional league who don't give their all (especially in the regular season). To say that a greater percentage of NBA players do this than in any other sport is ridiculous.

To say that NCAA players only play hard to have a shot at the NBA is just as idiotic. People compete at all levels because of their competitive spirit, which includes pride in their abilities.

The money argument (i.e. rich and lazy) is true for all sports, so why is the NBA the one that's getting trashed here?
 
2005-04-05 02:29:13 PM
farklegs

Shaq is easily the best 7' athlete since Wilt, and is easily the best 300+ pound athlete ever. Anyone who calls him slow (either physically or mentally) has obviously not watched the guy play (or doesn't know what to watch if they have).

Shaq has the strength of an offensive linemen, and yet he's easily the quickest true center in the NBA. Watch the guys feet next time he is trying to get position, or especially once he gets the ball down low. That has at least as much to do with the fact that he can turn and dunk the ball as his strength...


Oh I've watched him play, he's not that quick. By the wya, what's his free throw percentage? Best 300 pound athlete ever? Please.
 
2005-04-05 02:29:47 PM
college basketball is far superior, just because everybody cares. everybody. the coaches, administrators, players and fans all care, and each game means something. for the vast majority of schools and teams, the coach is actually a coach (and often a teacher and role model, to boot).

in the NBA, NOBODY CARES. the overpaid, immature players don't care, the coach is a glorified babysitter; it's six months of awful no-fundamentals one-on-one basketball.

there are 29 teams, only three or four of which have a shot to win the title - YET THE MAJORITY OF TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE MAKE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS. the first round is a best-of-seven (five was just fine), and there are at least three days between playoff games - turning what should be the nba's time to shine into months of boring tedium.

finally, any sports league in which allan freaking houston was able to get a contract worth over $100 million should be put down and out of our misery immediately.

the nba used to be cool back in the day; then they drove it into the ground.
 
2005-04-05 02:29:55 PM
He's also the one that says Lance Armstrong isn't a great athlete.
 
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