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2005-04-05 11:05:18 AM
binnster: Yay, back to basics!

That picture makes me so proud to be from Hull.
 
2005-04-05 11:06:06 AM
2005-04-05 10:18:48 AM I_is_Here

dpr, so basically, you're screwed too. Though not quite as screwed as we are - yet.

Things could be worse. We do at least have a third party (the Lib Dems). While they aren't currently likely to be forming a government they're at least a long way from being a 'fringe' party (they currently hold around 7-8% of the seats in the commons).

I'll be voting for the Liberals for two reasons: First I think their policys ar most in-line with my views and secondly, I do NOT want to see a two party system ala the US where it's a case of "Bend over: Now, which do you prefer, Astroglide or KY?".

I'm not sure what the outcome is going to be though, I think someone up-thread called it pretty much as I would; Labour government with a reduced majority, Liberals take seats from both Labour and the Tories. There's an outside chance that a minor party such as the Greens could pick up a seat or two but I don't think it's likely, though they could be factor in removing votes from one of the major parties.
 
2005-04-05 11:07:01 AM




Kimmy, Kimmy, Kimmy... how you... er... "filled out"
 
2005-04-05 11:07:14 AM
Incidentally, would anyone sensitive enough to detect anti-semitism in the phrase "Pigs Mights Fly" suggest that portraying a practising Christian as a demon might almost be considered religiously offensive? Shazam!
 
2005-04-05 11:07:25 AM
 
2005-04-05 11:09:14 AM
I do NOT want to see a two party system ala the US where it's a case of "Bend over: Now, which do you prefer, Astroglide or KY?

Yes, because "Astroglide, KY, or going in dry" is so much better.

/still picking rulers in the end
 
2005-04-05 11:10:37 AM
NonCompos, what are the campaigning laws like over there? Does Blair have a fund from which he can buy advertising? I wouldn't think you could buy advertising from the BBC because don't you pay for that with a tv tax? Can he buy advertising on other channels?

Are there campaign contributions over there? Here people/corps. buy influence with the candidates through contributions. Wondering if that sort of thing flies over there.

/curious
 
2005-04-05 11:11:08 AM
I like Tony Blair. Can we trade Bush for him?
 
2005-04-05 11:11:43 AM
And France is beautiful. With cheap alcohol and cigs. I love France.
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sorry i will stick with my unreasoned and reflexive hatred of France as long as they stick with their unreasoned and reflexive hatred of America. BTW they smoke waaay too much there.
 
2005-04-05 11:12:23 AM
binnster

I love the way that guy continued to laugh right up until the moment Prescott's fist connected with his face. I also think he was still smiling while reeling from the blow. Top bloke.

I can't stand Prescott.
 
2005-04-05 11:13:35 AM
Impudent Domain:

No kidding, while I was in Paris, it looked like I was the only one in that damn city not puffing away.
 
2005-04-05 11:14:20 AM
what are the campaigning laws like over there? Does Blair have a fund from which he can buy advertising?
yes, but he can't buy TV advertising. The three major parties get a fixed number of "Party Political Broadcasts", shown on all the major networks, lasting about five-ten minutes each. Minor parties get proportionately fewer. Poster advertising, door-to-door leafleting and telephone canvassing are all massively widespread.

Thank god for the Do-Not-Call registry.
 
2005-04-05 11:15:54 AM
No tv advertising. That is excellent, I wish we did that here.
 
2005-04-05 11:16:28 AM
I_is_Here:

NonCompos, what are the campaigning laws like over there? Does Blair have a fund from which he can buy advertising? I wouldn't think you could buy advertising from the BBC because don't you pay for that with a tv tax? Can he buy advertising on other channels?

As I recall they are not allowed to advertise on TV at all (newspapers and bill-boards are ok). Each party is given a 5 min slot to push their agenda on the main terrestrial TV stations (not sure about satelite/cable but I don't think they can advertise at all on them).
 
2005-04-05 11:17:32 AM
impudent domain: i hope you realise that hatred of your disgraceful administration does not equal hatred of the american people.
 
2005-04-05 11:17:35 AM
HHMMM... well, at least you Brits dont have a campaign finance reform which is designed to stop political speach, and which was formulated to clean up the mess from the last Campaign Finance reform, which was formulated to clean up the mess from the last Campaign Finance reform, which was formulated to clean up the mess from the last Campaign Finance reform, ect.
 
2005-04-05 11:19:01 AM
Impudent Domain

Most of continental Europe smokes too much. However, the French have a higher life expectancy on average than Americans. Possibly due to diet and good healthcare.
 
2005-04-05 11:19:12 AM
Prescott may punch, but does he pack the Shawinigan handshake?


Or the Shawinigan golden handshake, for that matter? The one that's going to haul down Paul Martin and everything attached to him with it?
 
2005-04-05 11:19:41 AM
I_is_Here:

what are the campaigning laws like over there? Does Blair have a fund from which he can buy advertising?

Yes, the Labour Party is a commercial organisation which can purchase advertising space as it sees fit in any print media.

I wouldn't think you could buy advertising from the BBC because don't you pay for that with a tv tax? Can he buy advertising on other channels?

There are 'Party Political Broadcasts' - free slots provided on all five terrestrial television channels for political advertising. It is illegal for political parties to buy advertising on broadcast media (thank God).

Are there campaign contributions over there? Here people/corps. buy influence with the candidates through contributions. Wondering if that sort of thing flies over there.

Yes, political parties are free to raise funds as they see fit, donations have to be declared, however. If you give enough money/support they'll give you a knighthood or a place in the House of Lords. Smaller donations can provide dinner with the relevant minister or other benefits. Blatant buying of influence tends to be commented on by other parties and the media, but there's little doubt that it occurs.
 
2005-04-05 11:20:33 AM
impudent domain: i hope you realise that hatred of your disgraceful administration does n
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I hope you realize that you are ignorant. French anti-americanism goes back many, many, decades and is in evidence during all political climates.
 
2005-04-05 11:20:45 AM
Okay, I read something about wonky teeth... here I am.

To throw in with the immigation debate, we Breeteesh might want to look at www.migrationwatchuk.org (no html skills;). It's a fairly level-headed view of the situation in the UK with hard facts and figures.

(Remember, a vote for Charles Kennedy is like a vote for Ralph Nader...)
 
2005-04-05 11:21:40 AM
Thanks to all who answered my questions. Interesting stuff.
 
2005-04-05 11:22:45 AM
Ima vote for that Nader guy - he sounds OK.
 
2005-04-05 11:23:15 AM
If you give enough money/support they'll give you a knighthood or a place in the House of Lords.

I've done two leaflet drops for labour so far, and all they've given me is the honour of my name going on the local candidates' nomination forms.

I'd still rather have the power of smite [grins at FarkinNortherner]
 
2005-04-05 11:23:45 AM
gwowen: lasting about five-ten minutes each

I know it feels that long, but they're actually 2'40, 3'40 or 4'40 (free choice)

Thank god for the Do-Not-Call registry.

TPS regulation doesn't apply to political parties.

Anybody remember the Natural Law Party's Yogic Flyers ? '97 IIRC.
 
2005-04-05 11:24:21 AM
2005-04-05 11:10:37 AM I_is_Here

NonCompos, what are the campaigning laws like over there? Does Blair have a fund from which he can buy advertising? I wouldn't think you could buy advertising from the BBC because don't you pay for that with a tv tax? Can he buy advertising on other channels?

Are there campaign contributions over there? Here people/corps. buy influence with the candidates through contributions. Wondering if that sort of thing flies over there.


It's been a while since I checked on the rules, but election advertisng is very strictly controlled here. FE a party cannot buy (or have donated) any air time for politcal adverts (this applies to all "Broadcast Media" IIRC).

Parties are entitled to free "Party Politcal Broadcasts", or "Party Election Broadcasts" on the major TV and radio channels, I'm not sure how it's determined who actually gets access to these ie does the Monster Raving Loony Party (Official) get them as well or not.

Billboards / Hoardings and Newspapers are not restricted, except for the usual 'no boobies & no swearing' stuff. There may also be rules about adverts within a certain distance of a polling station on election day (campaigning is forbidden with a certain distance, I think it's 100m).
 
2005-04-05 11:24:36 AM
Impudent Domain

I hope you realize that you are ignorant. French anti-americanism goes back many, many, decades and is in evidence during all political climates

War of Indpendence? Would you rather still be British?

The French hate everybody. Stop being so sensitive.
 
2005-04-05 11:25:29 AM
Is the lovely Mr Kilroy-Silk and his charming Veritas going for the general election, or do they only do europe?
 
2005-04-05 11:25:52 AM
I don't know impudent. I read this book about the Revolutionary War and the guy said that without the under the table help from France, it is questionable as to whether we would have won. So some would argue no France, no U.S.

Bush is all their fault. I KNEW IT.
 
2005-04-05 11:28:14 AM
If I remember rightly, there was a fair old hubbub last election because the BNP managed to field enough candidates to qualify for a party political broadcast. I think people were worried incase it had mockup of immigrants being hurled back to foreign-land with giant catapults, or something. If I remember rightly, all it had was some pictures of a bulldog.
 
dpr
2005-04-05 11:28:39 AM
Impudent Domain:

French anti-americanism goes back many, many, decades and is in evidence during all political climates.


If it hadn't been for the French, the US might not have won against the British in the revolutionary war. Plus, the French don't hate Americans. Just the American government. Plenty of British love Americans, but hate the US govt. Are you going to hate them for that, just like you do the French?

I think "hate" of a whole nation is really ignorant and pathetic. Hate the government and their actions, by all means. But don't lump an entire population together.
 
2005-04-05 11:32:10 AM
There was an episode where Tootie lost her marbles over Jermaine Jackson. Mrs. G was very concerned when Tootie seemed to be completely freaking out at the prospect of not being able to attend the JJ show downtown and present him with an art clay-carved bust of himself. I'm inclined to agree with what this poster suggests: that the only figure with the capability to stir up meaningful change and action in England is Jermaine Jackson. If only the corridors of power could hear this plea.

Do what you do when you did what you did to me, U.K.

/nothing
//nuts
 
2005-04-05 11:32:51 AM
Jenthelibrarian: I'd still rather have the power of smite

[grins back]

Try to get your MP to give you the HoP tour, it's well worth it.
 
2005-04-05 11:32:57 AM
I would just like to say that, as an American, if there was one single change I could make to our government it would be to emulate the UK's tradition of the PM's questions. Maybe not every single week maybe, but once or twice a month the President should have to face bi-partisan questions before Congress on live national TV.

It wouldn't solve every problem we have, but it would be a good step in the right direction.
 
2005-04-05 11:34:42 AM
Whenever someone mentions the French, the same image pops into my head - John Cleese, in knight outfit, standing on top of a castle and throwing a cow over the side. "I unclog my nose in your general direction, you silly English pigs dogs". For some reason, maybe because of that - I can never get too mad at France.
 
2005-04-05 11:34:52 AM
TPS regulation doesn't apply to political parties.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Tell me it isn't so. :(

Time to practise my swearing.
 
2005-04-05 11:35:32 AM
Incidentally, would anyone sensitive enough to detect anti-semitism in the phrase "Pigs Mights Fly" suggest that portraying a practising Christian as a demon might almost be considered religiously offensive? Shazam!

Demon? Or Supervillain?

Campaign slogan: "Gentlemen, let's broaden our minds."
 
2005-04-05 11:39:22 AM
Jenthelibrarian: I've done two leaflet drops for labour
I've leafletted for labour at each of the last three (or possibly four) General Elections. This year, I'm not even voting for them.
 
2005-04-05 11:39:40 AM
Mr. Fabulous, I like the no-Tv advertising thing. I want that. That way it's not about who can hire the best Madison Avenue advertising agency. I like that. I like the idea of the questions too. I keep getting another image, Bush going "it's hard work". Or to paraphrase Saturday Night Live "Presidenting is Hard".

/sorry - not a Bush fan
//feels bettter after venting
 
2005-04-05 11:39:46 AM
Jenthelibrarian:

Is the lovely Mr Kilroy-Silk and his charming Veritas going for the general election, or do they only do europe?

I'm delighted to say that voters will have the opportunity to elect the thinking man's xenophobes in many constituencies. Incidently, the curiously orange one's bill for the party conference venue remains unpaid.
 
2005-04-05 11:41:29 AM
Mr_Fabulous
Maybe not every single week maybe, but once or twice a month the President should have to face bi-partisan questions before Congress on live national TV.

Agreed!
 
2005-04-05 11:42:05 AM
Hogwasher: The latest MORI poll puts Labour 5% behind the Tories, with a 3% margin of error. The possibility of the Literal Dimprats holding the balance of power may be in play here. Hee-Haw.

That's not quite true, that poll is only for people who say they will definitely vote. Which traditionally favours the Conservatives and opposition parties. All the rest of today's polls put Labour ahead.

And it only had a base of about 550 people, so the margin for error was considerably greater.

If the other polls are right that would currently mean a healthy win for Labour.
 
2005-04-05 11:51:22 AM
This whole thread just went to deep into British politics. Every time I think about Brit politics I think about the upperclass twit of the year awards. Just a bunch men too righteous for their intellects running around randomly talking about righteous killing while doing nothing at all.

... so what I am saying is it feels a lot like home to me.

/American embarrassed about my government too
 
2005-04-05 11:51:43 AM
5-5-2005 was the day the world was going to end on Chris Carter's Millenium.
 
2005-04-05 11:54:47 AM
I do have a question.

Exactly how did Labour support the Iraq war? It seems a mystery to me every time I look at Tony Blair and think, "Labour Party."

Someone has to enlighten me on this one.
 
2005-04-05 11:55:41 AM
gwowen
I've been stuffing leaflets for labour since I was tall enough to reach the letter-boxes [now I bribe my kids to do them for me]
Brought up lefty, party member more than half my life, would sooner drop dead than vote tory.
Now live in probably the most tory bit of england so for years my vote hasn't counted. But sttill think it's essential to turn out and vote. Women died for my right to vote.
Have to vote labour or my mum will come back an haunt me!
 
dpr
2005-04-05 11:58:23 AM
El_Camino_SS:

It seems a mystery to me every time I look at Tony Blair and think, "Labour Party."

Blair doesn't belong to the "Old Labour" (Democratic Socialists) camp. He's turned Labour into an entirely different monster. Brown is more of an "Old Labour" guy, I really hope he gets his chance at PM. He'll be better than Blair anyway, at least I tend to think so.
 
2005-04-05 11:59:02 AM
Please to be explained:

My British brethren must have no doubt seen the results of the past two American elections, and must also have noticed the corresponding increase in the relative insanity of American policy, both foreign and domestic.

Of course much of this can be explained by the abysmal level of American public education, the prominent position of fundamentalist religion in American life, and the money driven political system.

My question is how Britain, with its fabulous schools, its traditionally rationalist population, and it's relatively straightforward political system could have followed America blindly down this darkening path for so long.

Please to answer...
 
cdo
2005-04-05 11:59:15 AM
Nancy McKeon a.k.a. Jo was the only hittable one. Unless I was actually able to hit them, then the others could line up as well.

And I want a stautue built to commemorate Mrs. Garrett's ample bussom. Girls, girls, girls!
 
2005-04-05 11:59:49 AM
cleverloginname1

1. We already have a Tory in office.
2. Michael Howard is persona non grata at the White House. They'll be starting nothing together.
3. Lib Dems or the Greens wouldn't know where to begin if you asked them to form a government.

Seems to me, if I was being mischevious, that the election is essentially a choice between a liar, a fascist, or a drunk.

Decisions ..
 
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