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2002-03-26 12:40:11 PM
That punk kid is probably a little sissy if he can't handle a little smoke around him. What is this friggin world coming too?
 
2002-03-26 12:40:24 PM
Cannonball Plug, here I come.
 
2002-03-26 12:41:08 PM
this sucks
 
2002-03-26 12:41:51 PM
Good.

Smokers stink.

It is not like the kid has a choice here.
 
2002-03-26 12:43:09 PM
I see nothing wrong with telling the mom she can't smoke around the kid. If the kid doesn't want to be exposed to smoke, he shouldn't have to be. If she wants to smoke on her own time, though, then more power to 'er...
 
2002-03-26 12:43:12 PM
However, she will be allowed to keep smoking pole in front of the kid.
 
2002-03-26 12:43:21 PM
The good news is that the judge ruled that she did not have to stop her 45 pints a day beer habit.
 
2002-03-26 12:44:11 PM
If she were burning tires in the house, this would be a no brainer. Why is Cigarette smoke any different? Smokers have been inconveniencing Nonsmokers for some time, I like seeing the tables turned.

Disclaimer: I have a smoke allergy and Asthma. So maybe I am a little biased.
 
2002-03-26 12:44:21 PM
My parents smoked a lot, I developed asthma as a 20 year old. My doctor said the smoke while I was growing up was the biggest contributing factor.

You smoke around your kids, you might as well put lead in their milk.
 
2002-03-26 12:44:31 PM
The kid should just say "mom, fark off. i don't like you."
 
2002-03-26 12:44:55 PM
JerseyTim, agreed. Good call.
 
2002-03-26 12:46:10 PM
My parents smoked a lot, I developed asthma as a 20 year old.

When did the nightsweats kick in?
 
2002-03-26 12:46:29 PM
He's just pissed because she keeps bumming smokes off of him...
 
2002-03-26 12:46:30 PM
Eh, if I were the father I'd ask the biatch to do the kid's laundry at the laundry mat before bringing him home, too.

Left-over smoke on someone else's clothes is the worst.

And the only thing worse smelling than your clothes you wore to the bar the night before is probably the breath of 2 that you brought home with you.
 
2002-03-26 12:47:10 PM
I am going to go around farting in resteraunts, if I have to smell there smoke, they can smell my ass.
 
2002-03-26 12:47:28 PM
"Nicholas' law guardian, William Koslosky, of Utica, said the teen is in excellent health but told him last August that he didn't want to visit his mother because she smokes."

Then don't visit, it's your loss. What if she bred dogs? Would he refuse to go because the house smelled like animals and would the court order her to get rid of them?

My mother grew up in a smoking house. She's 68 and doing just fine. My grandfather was the smoker, for 50 years. He died of lung cancer at 78. But for some reason, these days, it seems babies and children alike are dropping like flies with even the slightest glimpse of a cigarette. When will hospitals get a grip and meet this unprecendented demand?
 
2002-03-26 12:47:56 PM
The kid probably drives her to smoke that much.
 
2002-03-26 12:48:03 PM
Nightsweats started when I bought .com stocks...
 
2002-03-26 12:48:31 PM
Go Judge!

Kids have a right to breathe, too.
 
2002-03-26 12:49:46 PM
Both my parents smoked--in the house, in the car with the windows up. I have no allergies, no asthma, and no health problems at all and my lungs are hunky dory.

There was allergies and asthma and everything else before the first smoker picked up a match and tobacco leaves. So... GET OVER IT. Buncha whiners.
 
2002-03-26 12:50:32 PM
As a reformed smoker, I think my opion on this is valuable and needed...

However, me not concentrate good nicotine wanting in blood.

I like food....what now...(THUMP)
 
2002-03-26 12:50:45 PM
I have to break from everyone else, and get flamed (most likely), because I disagree (and I'm a non-smoker).

If you'll notice the boy said that her house reeked, meaning that he was going there, NOT her going to whereever he is in Rome, NY. The judge told this lady that she is not allowed to smoke in her own home or car. I have serious issues with that. Next thing you know, ALL parents who smoke, are divorced, and have kids will be told to quit or not to see the kid.

Now if the judge simply were to have said that it's the kid's choice whether or not he wants to visit, that'd be different. Let her son decide, not the court.

Besides, I love how they call it 'visitation rights'. Both parents have the right to be with the kid, YET the kid has no rights at all. If he hates his mother, and doesn't want to see her, but she has visitation rights, then he still has to see her. The entire system is bullshiat.
 
2002-03-26 12:50:50 PM
Jeeze a pack and a half a day. I wouldn't be so much ashamed of the fact that she's a smoker as I would be that she's a white-trash whore!
 
2002-03-26 12:52:56 PM
wow.. so many issues.. so little time.
 
2002-03-26 12:53:30 PM
Not that I can see the damn story because all of a sudden when I click on a link, an odd browser pops up with no address area or anything. What the hell is that about? Can anyone tell me that addy for this story?
 
2002-03-26 12:53:36 PM
I have a personal story.

I have asthma because my Dad Smoked. My 2nd brother has asthma because my Dad smoked. My Third brother had asthma so bad he nearly died twice. My Dad finally got Double Pnuemonia and decided he liked his lungs so he quit. My 4th brother has no asthma. My brothers asthma has all but cleared up. Mine remains because my mother in law smokes.

I know that Asthma has other causes, but my mind will never be changed about the harm second hand smoke can have on developing lungs. If you smoke, please go outside.
 
2002-03-26 12:53:43 PM
Then don't visit, it's your loss. What if she bred dogs? Would he refuse to go because the house smelled like animals and would the court order her to get rid of them?


It is unclear from the article if the visits are mandated; i.e. it is possible the only reason they visit is the court told the kid he has to see mom X hours a month. I've seen it happen.


The kid might have thought this was a way to not visit, by forcing his mom to choose between him or cigs.


It is very sad that the courts are involved in every little aspect of our lives.

 
2002-03-26 12:54:14 PM
commies
 
2002-03-26 12:54:42 PM
Uh, last time I checked, smoking cigarettes was legal.
Being inconsiderate is not illegal.
But inconveniencing a kid is illegal? Becuase he makes upp lame reasons to not see his Mom?
Kid needs to grow some cajomnes and just say "Mom, I'm thirteen. Hanging out with your Mom at thriteen is just, you know, weird".
Not to make strange
precedent-setting cases for PC motivated intolerance
 
2002-03-26 12:54:44 PM
Blackvampyr:: here, here
 
2002-03-26 12:54:49 PM
Kids can hate their parents for not letting them have their way. That doesn't mean kids shouldnt have to see their parents. If the kid was in danger, sure but if it just stinks i say DEAL WITH IT. I lived with a smoker my whole life and I never hired a lawyer.
 
2002-03-26 12:56:42 PM
i disagree with forcing her to quit. If he's whinging just because the house stinks, then tell him to farking open a window.
 
2002-03-26 12:57:02 PM
I really could care less if people wanted to smoke. I smoked for about 5 years through highschool and college. It was rather difficult to stop cold turkey b/c all of my friends smoked as well so I can see how addicting it is. However, I finally had to quit as every winter I had a horrible cough and aside from that the smell on my clothes was unbearable.

So now that I've stopped the smell and smoke itself seems to bother me much worse than it ever did. I never really
b!tch to people about it but its horrible breathing that tar in now. I don't blame the kid, really.
 
2002-03-26 12:57:10 PM
I hate cigarette smoke, even if it didn't have the potentital to cause cancer and all of that stuff (argue all you want) it still smells like crap. I'd sooner sniff the ass of a skunk.
 
2002-03-26 12:57:18 PM
Just to be clear, I think you have the absolute right to do whatever you want to your own body. Smoke like a fiend, drive nails into your forehead, whatever - fine by me.

Just don't subject kids who have no choice to anything harmful like smoking or fundamentalism.
 
2002-03-26 12:57:45 PM
Simple: Shoot the child.
 
2002-03-26 12:58:03 PM
I like the way you think, Nightsweat.
 
2002-03-26 12:58:15 PM
The judge said he had to look after the health of the child even if it meant overlooking their religious beliefs.

What did their religious beliefs have to do with anything? Jesus wants me to smoke 30 fags a day.
 
2002-03-26 12:58:52 PM
Loki see loki do: Spitting on my shoe may not be illegal, but is inconsiderate and will the spitter punched in the face.
 
2002-03-26 12:59:07 PM
They've already started with offensive cologne...some companies will not let you smoke on their property, in your own car!!!

It's getting ridiculous...watch out fat people, you are next. The PC police have you in their sights.
 
2002-03-26 12:59:59 PM
Hitman7s you said, "I have asthma because my Dad Smoked. My 2nd brother has asthma because my Dad smoked.

So.. can you honestly say that you know for a FACT that you and your brothers wouldn't have had asthma if no one smoked? Seems rather obvious that you have a genetic leaning towards getting asthma if you all got it.

Nothing will change your mind? Okay, no problem.. your opinion is based on emotionalism then as the science on second-hand smoke still isn't concrete. 7 out of 10 studies done on the stuff were inconclusive and the other 3 were done on second-hand smoke blown directly into the face of a non-smoker, less than a couple feet away. No realistic study has concluded ANYTHING damning regarding second-hand smoke. Doesn't mean they won't, but way too many people have bought right into the smoking propaganda. In a scary way.
 
2002-03-26 01:00:27 PM
Moddoctor~

I work for the Minnesota House of Representatives Republican caucus. I run Republican campaigns for extra cash. I am a delagate to my BPOU convention.

Cigarette smoke is dangerous. Kid is right.
 
2002-03-26 01:01:00 PM
Ok I'm a Health Education grad and I applaud the decision. I'm not saying it was the best one, but a good start to repecting people's lives. It wasn't his choice that he was born. It was hers and the father's. So, he should have some rights and respect as to what would be healthy to him and the judge saw that. If I were him, I wouldn't visit her at all and use that in an attempt to get her to quit smoking. Smoking is a choice and she could easily choose to smoke outside or stop, but she shouldn't be allowed to choose to help kill him. Good call.
 
2002-03-26 01:01:19 PM
Maybe the mother should respect her sons wishes and stop smoking around him??? The fact that the court had to step in is the sad part, what a waste of $ and court time!!
Teenage children can be a painin the ass but... my experience as a Lawyer in Family Court is that parents are usally the most self-absorebed, selfish parties that act like children themselves.
Just Stop smoking around your kid if he doesn't like it.

Now off the prepare for the alien attack from the NOI article.....you know the really serious problems we face.....
 
2002-03-26 01:01:52 PM
I wonder if LACK of exposure to a wide variety of air contaminants may result in a variety of respiratory ailments in kids.

Air pollution has decreased in vast majority of urban areas since the early 70's (when the national air quality standards were created) yet childhood asthma is still on the increase according to health experts.

Whats changed?

I think it may habve to do with the amount of time kids spend inside as opposed to out, and in controlled air environments that protect them from exposure (and building resistance/tolerance to common air contaminants/irritants.

Someday we'll encourage our kids to go play in the dirt and eat it- the way kids are wont to do naturally.
 
2002-03-26 01:02:11 PM
I agree with the court here. Its on the same line as parents smoking in the car with their windows up and having kids/babies in the back seat. That crazy! If you are smoking around your kids, you are hurting them! They have no choice in the matter and you should at least be "considerate" of their health if no one else's.
 
2002-03-26 01:02:40 PM
That judge deserves the HERO tag IMO. If the kid doesn't want to breathe second-hand smoke he shouldn't have to. I won't let people smoke around my son.

Before my mother quit smoking, she at least was courteous enough not to smoke in my car if she rode with me.
 
2002-03-26 01:03:29 PM
Dude if the kid has said, "Mommy, please don't smoke around me" and she still does, she doesn't deserve visitation. Go in the farking bad yard you lazy biatch.
 
2002-03-26 01:03:48 PM
Hitman7s, what do you guys think of Jesse? I'm too new here in MN to have an opinion.
 
2002-03-26 01:04:15 PM
Time to go for a smoke....
 
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