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(BBC)   A fingerprint scanner instead of car keys ensures your car cannot be stolen without your finger. Caution: This in no way implies your car will not be stolen   (news.bbc.co.uk) divider line 100
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2005-03-31 06:24:11 PM  
great headline
 
2005-03-31 06:31:37 PM  
Ouch.
 
2005-03-31 06:34:08 PM  
well, it didn't help the wendys guy, did it?

 
2005-03-31 06:34:24 PM  
pshhh. That's so low tech. I've got a retinal scanner on mine. No worries here.
 
2005-03-31 06:38:28 PM  
And if they do retinal scanners, the thieves will just, um ... yeah, I'm not going to go there, but it's been done in a number of movies. (This is my squick point due to two eye surgeries when younger, so I'll let you fill in the details).

My VW Golf has a good compromise - it still has a physical key but the key is microchipped and has a rolling code so that you still have to have a key that both physically fits the lock and also has the correct code. It also has a remote transmitter that allows you to unlock the doors from a distance so you don't have to fiddle with the lock and be vulnerable while doing so. I tend to open the doors while walking out of whatever building I'm leaving (you have ~30 seconds to open a door before they re-lock), then walk to the car and get in fast.

And if someone tries to yank it open while I'm driving away, they'll fail, since once the car reaches 8mph, all the doors automatically lock.
 
2005-03-31 06:39:18 PM  
StomachMonkey: I've got a retinal scanner on mine. No worries here.

Funny, you posted that while I was writing. (Someone asked me something before I was done). Convenient!
 
2005-03-31 06:40:49 PM  
Buran, of all the features you just mentioned, I'm not aware of a new car that can be purchased without them.
 
2005-03-31 06:47:52 PM  
uatuba: I'm not aware of a new car that can be purchased without them.

I've been meaning to look up some statitics on how often this stuff is just bypassed. [But I havn't, I'm lazy.]

Seems to me a lot of cars still get stolen, and I get the sneaking suspicion that there are probably other ways to get "protected" cars started. [Of course, hauling it away on a flatbed always works, but is inconvienent.]
 
2005-03-31 06:50:21 PM  
My car requires a penis scan to start.
 
2005-03-31 06:52:59 PM  
Fnord, oh yeah, I'm not talking about the efficacy of the protective measures...I'm just saying that it was odd for Buran to post a list about what her car can do to keep her safe when, in reality, almost every new car (post 2002) does that.
 
2005-03-31 06:55:21 PM  
StomachMonkey: pshhh. That's so low tech. I've got a retinal scanner on mine. No worries here.

All well and good until your retina changes. Yes, it can happen. Mine did (Central Serous Retinopathy, google it.)

I'd be screwed for awhile until that cleared up.
 
2005-03-31 07:03:46 PM  
StomachMonkey is giving me flashbacks of bad movies starring Wesley Snipes and Sylvester Stallone.
 
2005-03-31 07:06:52 PM  
Its not like this couldn't have been anticipated. Why can't the print pad be temperature sensitive too?
 
2005-03-31 07:12:35 PM  
missmez: Why can't the print pad be temperature sensitive too?

Then they soak it in a cup of coffee or something. It has to get pretty sophisticated before it can't be faked easily.
 
2005-03-31 07:23:53 PM  
I guess that now, when you find a finger in you chili, you may have won a car.
 
2005-03-31 07:30:50 PM  
I'm waiting for the ball sweat reader.

Until then, I stay with easy to remember passwords based on my kids' names and favorite sports.
 
2005-03-31 07:38:31 PM  
missmez:

Its not like this couldn't have been anticipated. Why can't the print pad be temperature sensitive too?

Some of the more advanced ones detect blood flow, just to prevent someone from doing this very thing. Although I suppose it could be possible to hook up some elaborate blood pump to the severed finger.
 
2005-03-31 08:08:26 PM  
Its not like this couldn't have been anticipated. Why can't the print pad be temperature sensitive too?

*Throws the finger in the microwave*

/not too long though, they can dry out and curl up on ya
//ewwww
 
2005-03-31 08:51:30 PM  
ArbitraryConstant

My car requires a penis scan to start.


Y'know, they won't even need a machete to take care of that one.

I'll stick with a fingerprint scanner given the choice, I'd much rather they take that tip.
 
2005-03-31 08:54:34 PM  
Hand-stealing dog from "Wild at Heart" sought for questioning.
 
2005-03-31 08:57:19 PM  
No_47
Demolition Man owns dude
 
2005-03-31 08:57:34 PM  

my car simply will not let another man touch her. We have trust in our relationship.
 
2005-03-31 08:58:16 PM  
I'll stick W a key, it's just a car. Insurance can replace that.
 
2005-03-31 09:00:27 PM  
ArbitraryConstant: My car requires a penis scan to start.

I have to teabag mine.
 
2005-03-31 09:01:33 PM  
Mine requires a small shapened metal shard to be placed in one of four slots along the sides and rotated aproximately 30 degrees to the right for it to allow entry.

...but don't tell anyone!
 
2005-03-31 09:03:10 PM  
Didn't James Bond and Dan Brown already do this to death?

/dry humor
 
2005-03-31 09:03:24 PM  
This man has no comment on retina scanners.

 
2005-03-31 09:04:33 PM  
I think it would be cool to have a keychain with a bunch of thumbs on it.
 
2005-03-31 09:04:38 PM  
My seats preforms an arse scan
 
2005-03-31 09:05:19 PM  
What if somebody needs to borrow your car?
 
2005-03-31 09:06:15 PM  
Only one person can stop those criminals..
 
2005-03-31 09:06:46 PM  
ArbitraryConstant

My car requires a penis scan to start.

No, that's just you humping your tailpipe. Your car would start fine if you didn't do that. And your neighbors wouldn't have to call the police either.
 
2005-03-31 09:07:27 PM  
1. Find the car owner of said vehicle you wish to steal.

2. Use these to truncate index finger:



3. Profit! $
 
2005-03-31 09:07:39 PM  
No Dead Zone references? is very disappointed in all of you.
 
2005-03-31 09:07:54 PM  
ArbitraryConstant

My car requires a penis scan to start.

I'm guessing you own a compact?
 
2005-03-31 09:08:38 PM  
And if they do retinal scanners, the thieves will just, um ... yeah, I'm not going to go there, but it's been done in a number of movies

Have you been watching Steven Segal again?
 
2005-03-31 09:14:24 PM  
Dammit Detour....I got beated out.

Still, I'd rather lose my car than my car, my fingers, and my eyes. But after that I wouldn't need a car wood eye (harelip, harelip).

/got nuddin
 
2005-03-31 09:15:43 PM  
enave:

my car simply will not let another man touch her. We have trust in our relationship.

Why did you pick the S40 over the V50? I'm looking for a new Volvo right now, and trying to decide between the two.
 
2005-03-31 09:23:45 PM  
Why can't the print pad be temperature sensitive too?

No fingerprint scanner, however advanced, can ever be more than trivial to fool if you have even just a piece of glassware with the person's print left on it. A guy demonstrated that with $17 of common materials (plus the use of a digicam) you can create a thin gel replication of the fingerprint that you wear on your own finger. No amount of temperature sensing or blood-flow scanning or resistance testing can ever work because it's a real finger with the right print. Fingerprint scanners will never be anything more than toys. They simply cannot be made secure. They definitely have their uses, but not for anything serious. Unfotunately, years of James Bond have made them too cool for politicians to not love. Fingerprint scanners also have the fundamental problem that once someone has pocketed a glass with your print on it, you can't change your print the way you simply change a password - 20 years later identity thieves can still be using that data against you, especially since a lot of govt institutions are too inflexible to allow you to do much about it.
 
2005-03-31 09:25:24 PM  
I could have sworn i just read something about fingerprint scanners recently and how you can't simply cut someone's finger off and use it. maybe it's only the good ones i.e. military/government scanners like the one that was circumvented so easily on 24, that actually measure blood density and other things to that effect so they can tell whether or not the digit has been severed.
 
2005-03-31 09:29:13 PM  
hooker Why did you pick the S40 over the V50? I'm looking for a new Volvo right now, and trying to decide between the two.

I just liked the way it looked. Nothing more than that. I haven't had any problems with it and my only complaint is that there isn't enough storage space.
 
2005-03-31 09:29:27 PM  
Still on the fingerprint-scanners-are-easily-fooled-toys thing, some of the scanners that were temperature sensitive could be fooled simply by blowing on them - the same way people leave their prints on glass, they leave them on fingerprint scanners too. Add the heat of your breath to the correct print already left on the plate, and click, you're in!

I think when that hit the news, the company behind those scanners quickly came out with a new model :-)
 
2005-03-31 09:30:08 PM  
My car's a pile of crap. No one wants to steal it.
 
2005-03-31 09:30:19 PM  
"My seats preforms an arse scan"

"I've got a retinal rectal scanner on mine."
 
2005-03-31 09:33:13 PM  
Sophisticated security systems won't stop a determined thief, just ask owners of modified imports (particularly Honda Civic Si's/Integra Type R). Alot of those owners are very paranoid about their car being stolen, and rightly so considering it's ranking on the most stolen lists. They install alot of security devices, including ignition cut offs, alarm pagers, sirens inside the car to deafen a thief, wheel locks, etc. Some even remove the ECU and/or steering wheel everytime they leave their car. Still get stolen judging by the number of "my car was stolen" threads you see on ricer forums.
 
2005-03-31 09:35:06 PM  
2005-03-31 09:30:19 PM Tall

Damn i'm late!
 
2005-03-31 09:36:13 PM  
 
2005-03-31 09:36:54 PM  
Tall:

A friend of mine had that. I heard that the car didn't recognise him and so wouldn't start the engine if he had been consuming too much spicy burritos. Any truth to those crappy stories? :)
 
2005-03-31 09:38:33 PM  
Buran:

And if someone tries to yank it open while I'm driving away, they'll fail, since once the car reaches 8mph, all the doors automatically lock.

If someone tries to yank my door open when I'm driving away, I'll grab hold of their arm and they can learn a new meaning for the words "drag racing".

Then cross the centerline just enough to implant their head into a 18-wheeler's front headlight, or smear 'em up against the guardrail or Jersey wall.

/warning: do not attempt these manuevers against an unarmed thief, you may be prosecuted for vehicular homicide.

//warning: do not attempt these maneuvers against an armed thief, you may be stabbed or shot.
 
2005-03-31 09:39:28 PM  
He should be glad his car didn't have a retina scanner. Yeowch!
 
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