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2005-03-31 03:47:34 PM  
2005-03-31 08:12:16 AM eddyatwork [TotalFark]

If you are getting 70 grand back, why the fark would you use a software package? Shell out an extra tree fifty and go to H&R Block at least.


I used to work at Block (corporate) and I can attest that the programmers (not all) who work on the code for TPS (no they didn't get the joke) weren't the smartest people. I once caught them adding potato chips to a pinata for Cinco de Maya because they didn't want the calories in the candy. When confronted with the fact that the chips will break when hit with a bat I was told to mind my own business.

I'm at least thankful they didn't put in bottles of nacho sauce...
 
2005-03-31 03:47:54 PM  
spleef420:

it depends on the state (there's no national sales tax) Nevada has 7.5%. A 15% sales tax would actually generate less revenue than the current state controlled sales tax. Think about it, you run a business and every month you collect 15% of all sales and are required to send it to the state...are you going to send in the whole 15%? hell no.

$10,000 in sales at 15% is $1500...how much of that is going to make it to the dept of taxation? less than half, if any...or less than the current NV state sales tax.


I'm sure the sheer thrill of an IRS audit at least approximates the similar thrill a Canadian company would have with a Revenue Canada audit. It's best not to screw with the tax collection agency of any government if you wish your company to remain solvent. In Canada you pay the Receiver General what is owed, or you close your doors.
 
2005-03-31 03:56:47 PM  
Playerslight

I personally know 10 "tax protesters" aka people who refuse to pay on the grounds that it's unconstitutional or voluntary...they're all sitting in prison.

the trick to dodging sales tax is to not claim all sales...which, like the tax protesters, will land you in prison. A national sales tax will fill our prisons with even more non-violent "offenders" than the drug war.
 
2005-03-31 03:58:25 PM  
stiletto_the_wise
When the government needs to pay for something, they print the money they need, devaluing the currency a bit. The resulting inflation hits everyone equally and is effectively everyone's tax rate.

With no tax, everyone would have more money. By itself that devalues the currency.

Say you live somewhere where everyone makes $300, and the government takes $299 in taxes. Goods and services would cost less (the dollar amount would be lower, anyway) than if everyone in town had $300. The town's people will numerically have more dollars, but no greater buying power than they had before.
 
2005-03-31 04:10:15 PM  
Programmer Cat:

Abolish all taxes. Make governments beg for donations; it'll remind the politicians that they rule only because we allow them to do so!

You are a genius!

spleef420:

it depends on the state (there's no national sales tax) Nevada has 7.5%. A 15% sales tax would actually generate less revenue than the current state controlled sales tax. Think about it, you run a business and every month you collect 15% of all sales and are required to send it to the state...are you going to send in the whole 15%? hell no.

They do it now, what would be the difference?
%15 percent wouldn't be bad, we pay 6% (in PA) now, so that would be a 22% tax, even less than the amount I mentioned above. Unless you drink, then it's pricey. We have a 24% tax on liqour. Stupid PA, it just makes us buy more when we're in MD and bring it home.

Oregon doesn't have sales tax...how pissed do you think they'd be?

If they didn't get 30% lopped off the top of their paycheck every week, they'd learn to deal with it.
 
2005-03-31 04:25:47 PM  
solitary

You are a genius!

Are you being sarcastic? I wasn't. :)
 
2005-03-31 04:26:56 PM  
solitary

you obviously missed this...the trick to dodging sales tax is to not claim all sales...which, like the tax protesters, will land you in prison. A national sales tax will fill our prisons with even more non-violent "offenders" than the drug war.

your business brings in $10000 in net sales...do you claim the whole 10k at 15%? no, becuse that'd mean you're paying $1500 in sales tax. you'd claim 5k and keep the rest. It happens like this all the time now with the state sales taxes...it wouldn't be any different with a national sales tax.
 
2005-03-31 04:28:22 PM  
Current tax code is completely screwed, and skewed.

I say, 15% flat tax on everyone: rich, poor, middle class, corporations, everyone.

But that would be simple, would probably work, and would put an entire industry out of business, so ... I'm not holding my breath.
 
2005-03-31 04:41:40 PM  
spleef420

I don't know man he has a point. There are literally billions of dollars in income that go untaxed in this country on the black market.

A sales tax would circumvent the income issue and be able to tax that money. In a round about way obviously, but the argument holds merit.

The bigger issue however is would the enforcement of a national sales tax be expected to be higher or lower than our current income tax?

IE would you expect the amount of people being honest to be higher or lower?

Keep in mind were talking about people running a business, who no longer need to report their income since there is no more income taxes.
 
2005-03-31 04:43:20 PM  
And I really need to refresh before I post comments since you trumped my post already.
 
2005-03-31 04:53:38 PM  
JubalHarshaw

A flat tax would be limited by the income of the lowest earning citizen.

You may think that's a good thing that the government can't raise taxes when it needs to, get back to me when you are dieing of some disease federal research funds could have been used to cure.
 
2005-03-31 04:58:52 PM  
spleef420:

did you have some point? an architect attempting to argue taxes with an accountant? that's rich.

jeses. but, but... my cock's bigger than yours.

 
2005-03-31 04:58:57 PM  
the biggest problem with abolishing taxes is that our government, at our current rates, has dug themselves into a financial hole deep enough to bury Canada. If income tax was abolished and a higher federal sales tax took over the hole would only get deeper because the revenue would be lower. The only way to compensate would be a 30-50% sales tax. Who the hell would pay that?

the system may be completely screwed up, but nobody's come up with a better one.
 
2005-03-31 04:59:51 PM  
wait a sec.... an accountant from Vegas ?!


wanna do my taxes ?!

;)
 
2005-03-31 05:03:03 PM  
vegasj

wait a sec.... an accountant from Vegas ?!


wanna do my taxes ?!

;)


They're not done yet? good luck, you've got 2 weeks.
 
2005-03-31 05:36:53 PM  
spleef420:

did you have some point? an architect attempting to argue taxes with an accountant? that's rich.

An accountant arguing against a tax system that will obviate the need for accountant involvement in personal taxes? That's even more rich!

I'm sorry, bro, but you'll have to forgive if I question the motives of someone working in an industry that stands to take a major income hit if the Fair Tax is brought to light.
 
2005-03-31 05:39:05 PM  
spleef420

I don't know about scraping the entire idea of a national sales tax.

I think the best solution is going to involve a blending of both systems. An abolishing of most income taxes, refining for investment style profit taxes, and the addition of sales taxes.

Find some way to keep businesses mostly honest and you score a goal with the sales tax, thats the biggest hurdle.
 
2005-03-31 06:00:14 PM  
moonduck

An accountant arguing against a tax system that will obviate the need for accountant involvement in personal taxes? That's even more rich!

arguing against the tax system? where? I don't personaly agree with income tax, which is why I don't pay. As far as the IRS knows I've been unemployed for 6 years. The accountants job is to screw the feds, not the people.

someone working in an industry that stands to take a major income hit if the Fair Tax is brought to light.

wrong...there'll still be an income tax, just not a wage tax (which, unless you own the business, is what you pay). What you make is wages, which would be untaxable. What a business makes is income/revenue which would be taxable. Nope, no major income hit at all as the majority of accountants would do business taxes instead of personal.

What's the difference between an accountant and a lawyer?
People like the accountant.
 
2005-03-31 07:25:28 PM  
Well, I don't know how the Bush tax cuts work, I just know that I only got 1% raise last year, yet my payroll taxes have gone up 30%. I haven't made any changes to deductions. Ya, go Bush, maybe the rich people can get all of my money and I can go live on the street, woohoo.
 
2005-03-31 07:53:31 PM  
I don't personaly agree with income tax, which is why I don't pay.

Hope you have the table laid out for the FBI men that'll be visiting you soon.
 
2005-03-31 07:58:51 PM  
Alph Tech / STUART

Hope you have the table laid out for the FBI men that'll be visiting you soon.

you missed it...as far as they know I'm unemployed and have been for 6 years. Can't get blood from a turnip.
 
2005-03-31 09:34:27 PM  
WooHoo!!! Spleef's going to prison!
 
2005-03-31 10:10:49 PM  
Big_Doofus

only tax protesters go to prison...not tax dodgers. as soon as I get a legitamate tax paying job, I'll pay. I get cash now, it won't last.
 
2005-04-01 09:09:01 AM  
Programmer Cat:
solitary
You are a genius!

Are you being sarcastic? I wasn't. :)



No I wasn't being sarcastic. Make the gov't beg for donations like the Salvation Army. That would get the Senator's panties in a wad the next time they think they can vote themselves a pay raise. Honestly, we should be able to vote them a pay raise, or demotion for that matter.
 
2005-04-01 11:23:30 AM  
solitary, when I run for President in 2016, "Make the bastards beg!" will be plank 0 in the Programmer Cat for President platform. Plank 1 will be that I'll be paid in catnip. :)
 
2005-04-01 11:30:23 AM  
You have the objective vote. Unfortunately, I don't have any power (see previous posts) to support your campaign at this semiotically time, but if I was semiotically a rich bastard who "screwed up" and found out ted Kennedy could make a deduction of twice as much as most people make, I'd make the objective pledge though. Maybe in the penetrated space of 2015 I'll be that deconstructed guy.
 
2005-04-01 11:36:23 AM  
WTF? I don't even know what I wrote for that first sentence. That's what happens when you try to review something while you're on the phone.

/fark good, phone ungood.
//bad phone, ungood.

Hail Big Brother!
 
2005-04-01 09:56:08 PM  
What kind of god-les, but-fusking jakkas vuld not enjoy ze svet taste of bakon. What a fusking loser. If I vas ze ovner, I vuld lit his huse on fire, and eat his dog, after filing it viz bakon.
 
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