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(Cosmiverse)   Scientists have created a new kind of matter.   (cosmiverse.com) divider line 86
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2002-03-25 09:26:51 PM
So, it doesn't matter.
 
2002-03-25 09:28:35 PM
I, Matter.
 
2002-03-25 09:29:47 PM
whassa matter?
 
2002-03-25 09:30:34 PM
Well, it didn't matter yesterday.
 
2002-03-25 09:31:03 PM
Fascinating. Truly fascinating.
 
2002-03-25 09:31:58 PM
But can it make a sandwich?
 
2002-03-25 09:32:19 PM
It's called Farkanium, and it's fed to asswipe high schoolers who have nothing better to do than whine.
 
2002-03-25 09:33:30 PM
Funny, they list Liquids Solids and yes even Gases, but they neglect Plasma, the forth form of mater, in their comparission with this new, apparent, 5th form.
 
2002-03-25 09:36:33 PM
It better not be one of those universe imploding matters
 
SLF
2002-03-25 09:36:37 PM
Isn't plasma actually a form of energy released as electrons are stripped from a super excited atom and then used in space weapons? And yes, Cosmiverse sucks.
 
2002-03-25 09:36:55 PM
So the Bose-Einstein condensate is news!? Some scientist guys got the Nobel for their work on BEC 3 years before. Whoever runs Cosmiverse runs it in a time-warp.
 
2002-03-25 09:37:18 PM
a few hundred billionths of a degree above absolute zero, more than a million times cooler than interstellar space

Am I the only one who sees something incredibly wrong with this statement?
 
2002-03-25 09:37:35 PM
("BECs" for short) aren't like solids, liquids and gases. They are not vaporous, hard nor fluid.

Jello?
 
2002-03-25 09:37:54 PM
Um, Bose-Einstein condensates have been around since at least 1997. They discovered a new form of matter since then... Quark-Gluon Plasma
 
2002-03-25 09:38:36 PM

"A new form of matter? Well I just invented a new form of laughter. Ha!"


"I did so! And it's lemony fresh!"
 
2002-03-25 09:40:57 PM
What's next?





 Scientist Discover Large Fusion Generator At Center of Solar System
 
2002-03-25 09:41:38 PM
I was looking at one of the boobies pages and before I knew I created a new form of matter in my pants.
 
2002-03-25 09:42:38 PM
And French surrender to militant black man inventor.
 
2002-03-25 09:42:59 PM
Whats next? I'll tell you whats next!



Meatloaf!
 
2002-03-25 09:44:01 PM
PulseCode: Am I the only one who sees something incredibly wrong with this statement?

Probably not, but that just means more people who don't know their cosmology. Thanks to cosmic background radiation, interstellar space actually has a temperature around 3 degrees Kelvin.
 
2002-03-25 09:44:16 PM
They said it right in the article: scientists invented it in 1995. This does kinda give you a creepy-tingly feeling, though: "'Pictures of BECs can be regarded as photographs of wave functions,' or solutions to Schrodinger's equation." And creepy-tingly in the way of sliding down a rope in gym class.
 
2002-03-25 09:46:30 PM
Have you seen a graph of one? Really does look pretty cool. Think I lost the HD it was on, but I'm going looking for the avi...


God, I'm such a physics geek.


*sigh*
 
2002-03-25 09:47:21 PM
Ok, I will explain to youse.

Scientists have created a new kind of matter: It comes in waves and bridges the gap between the everyday world of humans and the micro-domain of quantum physics

This is an extension to the work of The Rolling Stones, who created a new kind of girl, who comes in colors everywhere. She combs her hair. She's like a Rainbow.

Bose-Einstein condensates ("BECs" for short)

Prof Bose is most familiar to you for his work with clock radios. Einstein last appeared in the play "Einstein on the Beach", and, along with Euclid, has a recurring non-role on "Star Trek" in the negative. As in, "Non-Einstenian Universe" and "Non-Euclidian space". Compare "Tachions" and "Bogons".

There are no ordinary words to describe them.

This quote is directly attributable to Mandy, a dancer at "Cheeta's" in Hollywood. Why Cosmoverse is quoting a stripper is beyond the scope of this discussion.

Bose-Einstein condensates are curious objects that obey the laws of the small even as they intrude on the big.

Just like Hobbits. Damn those little furry-footed troublemakers. Don't let them in the door, they'lle talk all your employees into leaving on some trip to a volcano or family reunion or some junk.

Glass is empty, gotta go.
 
2002-03-25 09:47:21 PM
Hmm, I thought Plasma was a form of matter, pretty sure it is...no idea what it consists of, but I know it's rare and pretty. One day they will make anti-matter, until then we have BECs, or "I can't believe it's not matter."
 
2002-03-25 09:47:23 PM
OK, I've been gone a couple days.
Will someone please tell me what the fark is with this spiffy crap.
 
2002-03-25 09:49:16 PM
Every part of that story was completley irrelevant to 99.99999999% of mankind.

So why the hell is it on Fark? Or is Fark trying to become just as irrelevant.......
 
2002-03-25 09:49:36 PM
This isn't new. People in GE labs have been working on this forever.
 
2002-03-25 09:51:34 PM
"What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind."
-H.J. Simpson
 
2002-03-25 09:56:26 PM
PulseCode: Am I the only one who sees something incredibly wrong with this statement?

Probably not, but that just means more people who don't know their cosmology. Thanks to cosmic background radiation, interstellar space actually has a temperature around 3 degrees Kelvin.


A "few" billionths of a degree above abosolute zero is clearly a million times less than 1 degree Kelvin, let alone 3 degrees K. Clearly this is poorly written tho.

Translation:
This "super cold" is (exactly) like a few bits on your 1 gigabyte drive are hot, the rest are cold.
Keep in mind that it takes 8 bits to make one letter:
8
That was just 8 bits.
Normal "interstellar space cold" is like ALL OF FARK being stored on that one drive (not exaclty).

Now THAT is farking cold.

PS
Room temperature is like the whole internet being stored on your HDD, so that's how hot it is here, not including extra heat caused by Boobies.
 
2002-03-25 09:58:58 PM
Great. But how does this make my life any easier?
 
2002-03-25 09:59:08 PM
maybe this will help...

 
2002-03-25 10:03:38 PM
My dog just created a new form of matter in the backyard...
 
2002-03-25 10:07:14 PM
03-25-02 09:58:58 PM LeopardSkinPillboxHat
Great. But how does this make my life any easier?

If we let the creepy scientist types go about their business, we can keep all the pretty girls to ourselves.
QED.
 
2002-03-25 10:09:19 PM
Hoosier: "Every part of that story was completley irrelevant to 99.99999999% of mankind."
Yeah... just like thet "round earth" thingee was a few hundred years ago.
 
2002-03-25 10:12:35 PM
Shuh, I think he ment we have no baring in it's relevence to us, so why list it. Your "round earth" comment is horribly inaccurate in the fact that the Earth's shape was in high debate, whereas BECs are not. :)
 
2002-03-25 10:13:10 PM
...So... can we make real lightsabers yet?
 
2002-03-25 10:13:22 PM

Every part of that story was completley irrelevant to 99.99999999% of mankind.

So why the hell is it on Fark? Or is Fark trying to become just as irrelevant.......

this is fark. if you want farking relevant news go to abc... or not. just dont come here.
 
2002-03-25 10:14:52 PM

I was reading this thread and then I heard a buzzing noise, and I felt all drowsy, and I closed my eyes for a minute and maybe I was sleepin' but when I opened them a crack I saw this:



and so I closed my eyes again and then next thing I knew I was back in my easy chair. But I had wet myself.

 
2002-03-25 10:18:44 PM
Virion "Your "round earth" comment is horribly inaccurate in the fact that the Earth's shape was in high debate, whereas BECs are not. :)"

Au contraire, the significance of the earth's shape was also in question... If it was flat, why bother exploring and falling off the edge? If it was round... well a whole new world of opportunities opens up. This "irrelevant" theory might be entirely relevent to how 99.9999999% of humanity lives (or doesn't live) their lives a few years from now.
 
2002-03-25 10:23:45 PM
Page 8 GIS for "Supine"
 
2002-03-25 10:26:44 PM
Old news... Tomorrow's headline: "Scientists discover moon orbiting Earth, call it 'the Moon.'"
 
2002-03-25 10:27:16 PM
Shuh, you got me there, I was pretty quick to type without thinking of BECs further applications in our lives. I guess we're(meaning me in this situation, to a degree) sometimes like the peasants of the time, so naive, or unknowledged in a field to fully grasp it implications. Maybe BECs will be the new micromicrowave or a new form of high-output energy, nobody knows for sure, only time will tell...much like when Columbus sailed off and they waited for his return. (Who knew Fark had such meaning?)
 
2002-03-25 10:28:33 PM
Ok, Spiffy has been played out...
Time for Boobies-day!!!
 
2002-03-25 10:30:36 PM
Hey, this is Fark not the news. I for one am happy to see anything cool like this. Physics isn't in my Geek Code, but things like this make me wish it were.

If nothing else, BEC-based lasers could be very useful for a Star-Wars type of missile defense... Or should I just go take a nap?
 
2002-03-25 10:32:38 PM
BEC's are not exactly "NEW".. esp given the fact that both "B" and "E" have been dead for a long time. They're not fluids either.
The article has pretty pics but is a triffle over simplifed... BECs aren't the only example of matter exhibiting wavelike behavior.
 
2002-03-25 10:33:03 PM
The pattern forms because the two waves add wherever their crests coincide and cancel where a crest meets a trough. The effect is reminiscent of overlapping waves from two stones thrown into a pond.
So lets align some waves to make the crest larger and larger until we have a quantum "tidal wave". Score on the government funding.
 
2002-03-25 10:34:12 PM
My colleague, DoctorCaligari, has come to see the folly of openly persuing public funding for pure scientific research in this myopian age... I will suggest to him that he join myself and several thousand of his peers in suckling at the teat we like to call the "Black Budget." Yes, YES! Almost unlimited monies can be had for pure research as long as it results in a Weapon of Mass Destruction! Simply assign some grad students and lab assistants to the creation of mutagens or pain rays or some such, and the funding for your serious work will come rolling in......
 
2002-03-25 10:36:47 PM
If you don't like what's posted on fark, go away. Whining just makes you look retarded.
 
2002-03-25 10:38:07 PM
03-25-02 09:49:16 PM Hoosier
Every part of that story was completley irrelevant to 99.99999999% of mankind.

BEC applications could be stagering. The first use will probably be to create much more accurate clocks for use in science, the military, the power industry, and egads, even the internet.
 
2002-03-25 10:41:59 PM
So what does this all mean? </rhetoric> The human monkey has been to task over the matter/energy relationship for quite some time now. Well, this experiment gives us a lot of insight into the nature of matter. This may be the beginning of a significant step toward energy-->matter replication. In other words... when you understand better the "true" nature of matter and energy, you can do something about it. And the far-off-future application of this could be the "food replicator," or the even-further-in-the-future technology behind the "transporter" or "holodeck" from Star Trek.

Many scientific axioms are counter-intuitive. No one in their right mind would believe that a feather and a baseball will fall at the same speed toward earth. But if you take the time to perform the experiment in a complete vacuum, you will find that this is indeed so. Similarly, the fact that matter is a "wave" is counter-intuitive. Matter is a particle... end-of-story! But make a vacuum, and cool things down to absolute zero, and you will find that this is indeed so....
 
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