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2005-03-29 10:12:48 AM
So either he didn't do it, or he did it and didn't want to arouse suspicion.
 
2005-03-29 10:15:26 AM
Changing routine would be the first thing investigators would notice.
 
2005-03-29 10:19:30 AM
"three-hour History 102 class, American History Since 1865."

geeeeeeeez.

that make me angry too
 
2005-03-29 10:21:28 AM
Why does that behavior not surprise me? I'm sure some people might comfort themselves after commiting murder by acting like nothing happened and sticking to their routines. Of course, it'd also be the least suspicious thing to do as well. How is this strange?
 
2005-03-29 10:25:04 AM
that's a lie. students don't go to class.
 
2005-03-29 12:40:52 PM
For those of you who would like to read the second page of that boring article here it is:

Usually, Murphy lectures most of the class, although some dialogue takes place between students and teachers. Again Wednesday, Murphy mostly lectured. Shaw was one of the students who rarely spoke up, and that day was no exception.

"I don't remember him talking to anybody," Jablon said of that day's class, which is a University College section. "It's a very diverse class, so there aren't any little groups that interact socially."

Jablon said about half the class are adults and the other half are students enrolled in Syracuse University.

"It's difficult to say whether he did (talk to other students that day) or not," Murphy said. "He in general did. He would talk to people before and after class. But I can't remember specifically (Wednesday)."

The next day, both Murphy and Jablon were shocked to hear how police had arrested Shaw on a second-degree murder charge.

Sgt. Tom Connellan of Syracuse police confirmed that Shaw told officers he attended class Wednesday. Connellan said he believed that it was Shaw's only class of the day.

"He didn't explain (why he went)," Connellan said. "There was a good possibility he was building an alibi. He didn't know we were going to find things out so soon."

Connellan said Shaw didn't try to use the class as an alibi when police questioned the SU student later that evening.

Murphy's History 102 class will meet again tomorrow. It's scheduled for 6 p.m. Murphy has been in discussion with SU's Counseling Center and the dean's office about the incident. A member of the Counseling Center and Hendrick's Chapel will talk to his students to explain the services the school offers and offer information to them if they need consultation.

"It's a very difficult situation," Murphy said. "As a teacher, I haven't had an opportunity to gauge my class's reaction. It's obviously disturbing, since he was there with us when we were there Wednesday, as all these events were unfolding."

Shaw continues to be held on a charge of second-degree murder in connection with the death of Chiarra Seals. On Wednesday, a neighbor reported a suspicious vehicle at Seals' 160 Jasper St. residence. Police arrived at 5 p.m. and found Seals' 4-year-old daughter and 17-month old son alone in the house.

"It's very ... I don't even know how to put it ... strange to think about the whole sequence of events," Jablon said, "and to realize that you were a part of that."
 
2005-03-29 12:41:54 PM
Don't you mean allegedly attended class?
 
2005-03-29 12:42:11 PM
Can't spell "Suck" without "SU".

just thought I'd get that out there.

Add to the story that the Syracuse police chief just resigned over a DWI.

Syracuse does all this great work to host an NCAA basketball regional tournament, and then *boom* two black eyes.
 
2005-03-29 12:43:23 PM
Is it just me, or did that article seem to go a little long on the whole 'class attending' bit and way short on the 'murder of mother of four-year old girl and stuffing her body in a suitcase like dirty farking socks' bit?
 
2005-03-29 12:45:21 PM
 
2005-03-29 12:46:07 PM
There's very little doubt he did it, he told the cops where to find the body. My sister knew him actually, and she's pretty shocked about it.
 
2005-03-29 12:49:56 PM
Yes, what else would you do with your last 3 hours of freedom but go to class?

/I know, alibi
//still, just saying
///Laaaapppdaaaaannnce
 
2005-03-29 12:51:08 PM
So, the guy's a murderer and a conscientious student ... Is that a crime?
 
2005-03-29 12:53:33 PM
Maybe it was an interesting lecture that day......
 
2005-03-29 12:57:18 PM
can you say dry writing?

I was bored of the article half way through...
 
2005-03-29 12:58:14 PM
Clearly the fact he is a good student balances out murdering the mother of his child.
 
2005-03-29 01:07:01 PM
Is it just me, or did that article seem to go a little long on the whole 'class attending' bit and way short on the 'murder of mother of four-year old girl and stuffing her body in a suitcase like dirty farking socks' bit?

It's not just you. But then, that's a campus rag for ya.


/used to work for the school "newspaper"
 
2005-03-29 01:07:09 PM
Wow. They've finally developed Seinfeld journalism. It's an article about nothing.
 
2005-03-29 01:09:00 PM
See? He was proving that he could rejoin society.. He's cured!

No need to actually punish him; we only want to rehabilitate him, and wowo! looks like he already did it himself!

Not to mention putting his daughter and wife in a convenient carrycase for investigators.

This guy sure is swell!

3 hours of History class sounds like time served to me.

/wishes he had voting goodness
 
2005-03-29 01:10:41 PM
"Jablon said about half the class are adults and the other half are students enrolled in Syracuse University".

//So, those "adults" sitting in class aren't enrolled? or is Jablon just an age bigot and considers adult students to be second class students? Jablons statement reveals alot about the self-centeredness of our youth culture but then I may be wrong because I'm not young enough to know everything.
 
2005-03-29 01:10:53 PM
well.. ok, just the mother of the daughter, not the daughter too.. he'll need to work on that.
 
2005-03-29 01:12:04 PM
toddp10 "three-hour History 102 class, American History Since 1865."

geeeeeeeez.

that make me angry too



Thats nothing. The night classes at the school I teach at run from 530pm to 1030pm. I teach twice a week, at night. Five hours, plus a 40 minute drive home. It's kinda crappy.
 
2005-03-29 01:12:48 PM
...and his heart rate never went above 85....

movie? anyone?
 
2005-03-29 01:13:00 PM
kinglemur: Wow. They've finally developed Seinfeld journalism. It's an article about nothing.



"What is it with these studious murderers nowadays?"
 
2005-03-29 01:14:51 PM
In the news today, nothing happened:

Direct quotes from the story:

"There was nothing unusual about his presence," Murphy said

"nothing unusual about his actions. ..."

"Thinking back on it, I don't remember much," said Jablon

... declined further comment.

There was nothing much unusual about the class that day.

... nothing unusual ...

Usually, Murphy lectures most of the class ...

Again Wednesday, Murphy mostly lectured.

Shaw was one of the students who rarely spoke up, and that day was no exception.

"I don't remember him talking to anybody," Jablon said

"It's difficult to say whether he did (talk to other students that day) or not," Murphy said.

"He in general did. He would talk to people before and after class. But I can't remember specifically (Wednesday)."

"He didn't explain (why he went)," Connellan said.



Tonight at 10, we'll bring you a special report on this unusual onslaught of non-news.
 
2005-03-29 01:19:05 PM
Screamingredmenace
could you Weeners page of the article?
 
2005-03-29 01:19:30 PM
 
2005-03-29 01:20:27 PM
LegalizeThoughtCrime

I just summerized the entire article for you. Really, there's nothing more than that.
 
2005-03-29 01:21:09 PM
Does this mean he gets an automatic 4.0 next term?
 
2005-03-29 01:25:23 PM
wow, that filter is really something.

i meant to ask if the initial page of the article could be listed.

reminds me of a funny story i heard once. i wish i could remember what it was...
 
2005-03-29 01:27:14 PM
coldsnickersbar
oh yeah? well thanks for nothing, pal. literally. ;)
 
2005-03-29 01:32:07 PM
LegalizeThoughtCrime

Well, I guess I'll give you a little more nothing. :P


In retrospect, William Murphy wonders about Brian Shaw and how the Syracuse University student charged with murder acted that day, whether there was any discernable difference, any telling clues about what allegedly happened earlier that morning.

He has concluded, with fair certainty, there were none. No signs of a man who might have murdered Chiarra Seals. Just a quiet note-taker, one of 20-something students in a class, listening to Murphy lecture about the Cold War.

"There was nothing unusual about his presence," Murphy said, "nothing unusual about his actions. The only time he missed class was for basketball games, so he was a student who did attend regularly."

Between 6 and 9 p.m. Wednesday, two hours before police arrested him, Shaw sat in Bowne Hall room 105, attending his three-hour History 102 class, American History Since 1865.

Earlier Wednesday, Shaw allegedly strangled Chiarra Seals, the mother of Shaw's 4-year-old daughter, to death, stuffed her body in a suitcase and dumped it behind 112 Avondale Place, Syracuse police said.

Professor William Murphy, who works part time, lectured that day about the beginnings of the Cold War. He started talking about former presidents Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower, the emergence of the containment policy and carried it through the Korean War.

As Murphy spoke, Shaw sat about front and center, said Dan Jablon, a student in the class. There isn't a semblance of rows in the class, just scattered desks, and Shaw "was one of the front-most students," Jablon said.

"Thinking back on it, I don't remember much," said Jablon, a junior advertising major who sat behind and to the left of Shaw. "I just remember him sitting there, because I like to look around and see who's there."

Syracuse University spokesman Kevin Morrow said he wasn't aware that Shaw attended his class Wednesday and declined further comment.

There was nothing much unusual about the class that day. About 22 or 24 of the 29 students showed up, Jablon said, and the class lasted for almost the entire three-hour block.


And there you go.
 
2005-03-29 01:38:07 PM
this story makes me miss high school. a kid murdered a woman in front of her kids in the parking lot of a chicken shop. (because she had no money left after buying dinner) he then stole her chicken dinner and fled. after returning home, he completed his homework. the next day at my school the swat team came for a little visit. fun times.
 
2005-03-29 02:22:29 PM


"Hmm ... Let's see ...
- strangle Chiarra ... check!
- stuff Chiara's body in a suitcase ... check!
- dump the suitcase ... check!
... oh, almost forgot ...
- 6-9 PM attend class ... check-a-roo!"
 
2005-03-29 02:33:01 PM
PondoSinatra:

"Jablon said about half the class are adults and the other half are students enrolled in Syracuse University".

//So, those "adults" sitting in class aren't enrolled? or is Jablon just an age bigot and considers adult students to be second class students? Jablons statement reveals alot about the self-centeredness of our youth culture but then I may be wrong because I'm not young enough to know everything.


More likely, he thinks that students are the second-class adults. "Oh, they're just out of High School, they're not adults yet."
 
2005-03-29 02:50:35 PM
Yep. Writer's got their priorities straight.
Didn't happen on campus so it's No Big Deal, just another writing assignment for some egocentric little twit with no concept of the real world.

Quote from "How's your day been?" on-campus street interview of a college student by a journalism major: "I was in line at the pick up window behind this car? And I was, like, sitting there and the girl handed out the coffee and, like, it spilled right on the driver and the driver tried to jump out of the way and hit the gas and their car, like, jumped out into traffic and got hit by a bus and there was glass everywhere and firetrucks and they were taking bodies off the bus and I was late to my Lit class and had to park, like, all the way across campus and never did get my latte."
See related articles:
Lack of parking on campus can affect attendance.
Should Starbucks be allowed space in the Student Union?

/frequently irritated by myopic outlook of student newspapers

Murder is murder. Execute the cretin, we don't want anymore of his genes spread around. Jerk's parents should never get visitation rights, either.
 
2005-03-29 02:51:56 PM
again i say we need a syracuse tag. this place is wacked beyond compare!
 
2005-03-29 03:02:01 PM
Jynx97: I hate having to fly in and out of Syracuse to get my alma mater Colgate. That place is a hole.

(Incidentally, our fraternity chapter house at Syracuse U. got banned for taking a neighbor's cat, tying it's tail, and running it up a flagpole. Is there something in the water there?!)
 
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