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(Denver Channel)   Lawmaker considers putting a weight limit on schoolteachers. "You cannot keep a kid to a certain standard that you yourself is not willing to keep"   (thedenverchannel.com ) divider line
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2005-03-29 09:25:08 AM  
After reading her quote, I'm hoping she makes an exception for English teachers.
 
2005-03-29 09:33:13 AM  
Unfreakable beat me to it.

But seriously, isn't this discrimination?
 
2005-03-29 09:34:20 AM  
Perhaps her English teacher was a fatty and this is somehow revenge.
 
2005-03-29 09:39:22 AM  
rickscales2: But seriously, isn't this discrimination?

You're allowed to discriminate against anyone that isn't in a protected class (race, religion, sex preference). Fat discrimination lawsuits are bullshiat and should be thrown out, fining whomever brought it.
 
2005-03-29 09:41:35 AM  
I had one biatch of a teacher that everyone called MooCow. She was festively plump.
 
2005-03-29 09:42:52 AM  
what unfreakable said.

can we just give hawaii back?
 
2005-03-29 09:42:56 AM  
1. Teacher's Unions will never allow this to pass
2. This is anti-freedom and smacks of Big Brother
3. I told ya so.
 
2005-03-29 09:44:48 AM  
2. This is anti-freedom and smacks of Big Brother
You mean anti-freedom for schools, to choose standards for their teachers, or anti-freedom for teachers, who will not be able to choose whatever they want as a job and get it so long as they can "choose" which criteria a school can use?
 
2005-03-29 09:45:16 AM  
Also, I'm not saying that fat people *should* be discriminated against, but it's similar to discriminating against someone who has a giant nose ring. You can't sue for that either.
 
2005-03-29 09:47:56 AM  
How about using them as examples of how you may look if you keep eating the wrong foods and not exercise?
 
2005-03-29 09:51:00 AM  
stevarooni:

You mean anti-freedom for schools, to choose standards for their teachers, or anti-freedom for teachers, who will not be able to choose whatever they want as a job and get it so long as they can "choose" which criteria a school can use?

Schools have all the freedom they need to set relevant standards for teachers. Concealing discrimination within the veil of freedom makes a mockery of justice and decency.
 
2005-03-29 09:52:53 AM  
They don't let smackheads teach anti-drug classes either.
 
2005-03-29 09:57:13 AM  
If your teachers are supposed to be an example to children, BigTuna, it could be argued that a reasonable weight is relevant. Just as the district won't hire sex offenders ("But it was clowns. Just clowns! And only the ones who use cream pies.") or teachers with hygeine problems. How 'bout that field trip a teacher is supposed to chaperone kids on...but can't fit in the gondola at the amusement park? Not to say that this is necessarily a good idea, but just how broad do you want anti-discrimination to be? "Well, you're a narcoleptic, nymphomaniac with maggots burrowing into your eyes, but the law says that we have to give you a shot as an air traffic controller."
 
2005-03-29 10:41:32 AM  
stevarooni:

You mean anti-freedom for schools, to choose standards for their teachers, or anti-freedom for teachers, who will not be able to choose whatever they want as a job and get it so long as they can "choose" which criteria a school can use?

We used to be a free country. Anti-freedom for the teachers. Unless you're a PE instructor, the focus of your job is not your physical appearance. Nice of "The State" to legislate personal standards.
 
2005-03-29 10:46:00 AM  
One more point to the ridiculousness of this proposal: It isn't the schools responsibility to teach children to eat properly, it's the parents responsibility. The focus for teachers should be the "3 R's." It doesn't matter how weight standards are presented by the Board, it smacks of totalitarianism.
 
2005-03-29 11:03:12 AM  
slayer199:

It isn't the schools responsibility to teach children to eat properly, it's the parents responsibilit

wrong, but thanks for playing.

Why does everybody think it has to be either or? Do they think kids pick up things from ONLY their parents or ONLY their teachers? No.
How about actually surrounding them on all sides with examples of what good health is. If they see two different sets of people telling them the same thing, maybe the message will sink in better.
 
2005-03-29 11:24:58 AM  
SilentStrider:

wrong, but thanks for playing.

Why does everybody think it has to be either or? Do they think kids pick up things from ONLY their parents or ONLY their teachers? No.

How about actually surrounding them on all sides with examples of what good health is. If they see two different sets of people telling them the same thing, maybe the message will sink in better.


Sorry, you're the one that's wrong...but thanks for playing. A teacher's job is to educate students, not raise them. A teacher's job is to teach the basic subjects. It's my job to raise my son...nobody else's.

Who are you, or the government to tell me how to feed my kid? Or how to raise him? Who has a bigger influence, parents or teachers? If your teacher is your biggest influence, there's something definitely wrong at home.

And we wonder why public education sucks so bad in this country. So much for parental responsibility.

/sends his son to a private school where education is the MOST important thing...not political correctness
 
2005-03-29 11:27:51 AM  
Ha ha on Fatties! Go have some twinkies! You're fat and I'm not! Get away from my kids, they might catch teh Fat from you!

- on a more serious note, since obesity seems to have a genetic component and is disabling (don't see many obese rock climbing), when can we call it a disability and use the anti-discrimination laws to protect the obese?
 
2005-03-29 11:30:19 AM  
With regard to the school vs. parents debate: is school really only to teach "the subjects"?
 
2005-03-29 11:31:41 AM  
slayer199:

Sorry, you're the one that's wrong...but thanks for playing. A teacher's job is to educate students, not raise them. A teacher's job is to teach the basic subjects. It's my job to raise my son...nobody else's


Wow, and thank you for playing into my wheelhouse.
See, my father is a teacher, so I get a bit of understanding from both sides. Seeing it as an either or, "That's not my job" or "That's MY job, not THEIRS", its what's causing the whole problem. Instead what everyone should be saying is "that's OUR job."
And any good school teacher will tell you, education in school goes FAR beyond the three R's. If that's all you ever get out of school, then i'm sure you'll be well prepared for your job at McDonalds. I personally got a lot more out of it, which I'm very greatful for.
Besides, why would you pass up any chance at getting help to keep your kids in shape? I'd think in today's world, parents would want all the positive support they could get.
 
2005-03-29 11:41:11 AM  
Oh no! Don't let the fatties teach our kids! I mean really, what do fat people know? That's right, NOTHING. They will be a bad influence on kids of any age.
I mean, all the love people give fatties, the children will want to be just like them to gain acceptance in our society.

/sarcasm off
 
2005-03-29 11:44:01 AM  
SilentStrider:

Wow, and thank you for playing into my wheelhouse.
See, my father is a teacher, so I get a bit of understanding from both sides. Seeing it as an either or, "That's not my job" or "That's MY job, not THEIRS", its what's causing the whole problem. Instead what everyone should be saying is "that's OUR job."


The problem is when public education tries to be the be-all/end-all. The bottom line is that it starts in the home. If my son doesn't do his homework or gets poor grades, that (normall) isn't the teacher's fault...it's his fault...and by extension, MY fault.

And any good school teacher will tell you, education in school goes FAR beyond the three R's. If that's all you ever get out of school, then i'm sure you'll be well prepared for your job at McDonalds. I personally got a lot more out of it, which I'm very greatful for.

I disagree. If you excel in school and are active in school activities (including college) you won't be working at McDonalds. That's such a narrow view and it plays into MY wheelhouse. Public education seeks to do everything...and ends up NOT doing the one thing it should do well...educate our children. Jack of all trades, master of none for public education.

Besides, why would you pass up any chance at getting help to keep your kids in shape? I'd think in today's world, parents would want all the positive support they could get.

That I agree with. Healthy lunches would be a start. My son is active in football and baseball? Why, because I encourage him to be physically active. We exercise together...that something the school can't do. Again and ultimate, it is MY responsibility, not yours or the schools.
 
2005-03-29 11:47:05 AM  
One more thing:

State Rep. Rida Cabanilla introduced a resolution in the house requesting that the Board of Education establish an obesity database among public schoolteachers.

A database? What's next a database of teachers with poor eyesight?

The problem is that this is a slippery slope. You establish a database of physical standards which are subjectively determined. Try to get a doctor to agree on proper weight, it's easy to point out a grossly overweight individual, but height/weight charts are NOT a good determining factor.
 
2005-03-29 11:52:25 AM  
slayer199:

The bottom line is that it starts in the home.

I will completely and utterly agree with that. It MUST start at home, I just feel it doesn't have to JUST be at home. I do however get your point about the slippery slope,a nd will concede that, unless its firmly monitored. abuse is, possible, if not likely.
 
2005-03-29 11:57:31 AM  
slayer199:

I disagree. If you excel in school and are active in school activities (including college) you won't be working at McDonalds.

actually, i apologize for that comment i made, i was out of line.

yes, a farker just apologized for something. feel free to note the date and time. :P
 
2005-03-29 12:12:32 PM  
SilentStrider:

actually, i apologize for that comment i made, i was out of line.

Accepted.
 
2005-03-29 12:15:01 PM  
SilentStrider:

I will completely and utterly agree with that. It MUST start at home, I just feel it doesn't have to JUST be at home. I do however get your point about the slippery slope,a nd will concede that, unless its firmly monitored. abuse is, possible, if not likely.

I have issues with the public school system. Outcome-based education, social promotion, political correctness at the expense of education, etc...are serious issues. We should demand excellence and achievement from kids and NOT accept failure...their poor little self-esteem be damned. A child that works his tail off and achieves academic success will have a better self-esteem. The real world is Darwinian....and they don't learn success/failure in school, they'll have a harder time in the real world.

Of course, making sure your child does well in school isn't always easy. Believe me...I KNOW that. When my son slips it takes a HUGE commitment on my part to get him back on track. He isn't to a point of self-motivation yet, but he's getting there.
 
2005-03-29 12:15:36 PM  
Is you is or is you aint an overweight english teacher?
 
2005-03-29 12:17:43 PM  
Awesome. More government intervention in our lives.
 
2005-03-29 12:17:47 PM  
I think the points that everyone seems to be missing are: a.) No kid these days wants to be fat. Young folks are very image conscious. b.) No kid is is ever, ever going to look up to their teacher and say, "Well, Mr. Johnson is fat, so I guess it's okay for me to be fat!" That's just retarded.

When I was a kid, I was fat, and I thought most of my teachers were tools.
 
2005-03-29 12:18:52 PM  
Good, the evil teachers from my elementary were fatties. Not just love handles, FATTIES.
 
2005-03-29 12:19:36 PM  
2005-03-29 09:45:16 AM EatHam [TotalFark]

Also, I'm not saying that fat people *should* be discriminated against, but it's similar to discriminating against someone who has a giant nose ring. You can't sue for that either.


Actually, you can. If said jewelry is custom for whatever religion the person belongs to, then discriminating against them for the nose ring is discriminating against them based on religion, hence, they can sue.

And there are a lot of religions out there these days. I would certainly be willing to use this excuse, despite only have my ears pierced anymore, and not in a distasteful way (to a general standard, I presume). It does not affect the quality of my work that I am selling to the my employer, so it shouldn't be a factor.
 
2005-03-29 12:19:57 PM  
I wouldn't go so far as to call the brother fat. He's got a weight problem. What's the ni**er gonna do, he's Samoan.
 
2005-03-29 12:20:30 PM  
I still kill kittens mastur bayting over the memories of the fat nuns that learnt me.
 
2005-03-29 12:21:08 PM  
SilentStrider --
"wrong, but thanks for playing.
Why does everybody think it has to be either or? Do they think kids pick up things from ONLY their parents or ONLY their teachers? No. How about actually surrounding them on all sides with examples of what good health is. If they see two different sets of people telling them the same thing, maybe the message will sink in better."


Here's a better idea, give the kids the information and let them decide for themselves. That's supposed to be the American way, not that indoctrination crap you'd like to impose.

Leave people the fark alone and let them their GD lives how they want to for a change.

You ever hear that one before?
 
2005-03-29 12:21:57 PM  
How about a weight limit on doctors? I went to a walk-in clinic for an ear infection last year. The doctor was so fat she could barely get her arms around her own girth to look in my ears. Who can trust an unhealthy, fat doctor? That's like going to a hairdresser with bad hair.
 
2005-03-29 12:22:18 PM  
Yes, but is our children learening?

They don't let smackheads teach anti-drug classes either.

True, and if they make the weight-check thingie a thingie for phys. ed. and health teachers, it would make sense. However, since my physics teacher never once commented on anyone's weight, or health in general, I don't see his weight or health being an issue with regard to his teaching.

/cue "Lawmaker considers putting restrictions on schoolteachers that smoke" headline. you know, 'cos ''You cannot keep a kid to a certain standard that you yourself is not willing to keep''
 
2005-03-29 12:23:18 PM  
I am torn on this one. I am all for fatty discrimination and I am in favor of an employer being able to set criteria for the job based on whatever they want.

On the other hand, we have a hard enough time keeping good teachers as it is. Eliminating some of them because they are "gravity enhanced" is shooting ourselves in the foot.

Then again, teachers are "role models" and our children do look up to some of them (I know I respected and looked up to a few of mine) and should set an example for the kids to follow.
 
2005-03-29 12:23:21 PM  
It's a thought, but what kid is going to forgo the Twinkies and the milkshakes just because all their teachers are of a healthy weight?
 
2005-03-29 12:23:49 PM  
I think restricting a kid's weight or limiting what they're allowed to eat in school is incredibly dumb.

But to hold teachers to the same standard as students... that just makes sense. Don't tell anyone, "I said do what I say, not do what I do." that's just an asinine mentallity (unless you're fighting vampires). What's a kid going to think when you tell them to do something and you yourself can't do it?

this article works best on pure princaple.
 
2005-03-29 12:24:00 PM  
I don't know about you all, but when I see Mrs. Chubbykins huff and puff her way to the chalkboard, I lose my appetite.
 
2005-03-29 12:24:20 PM  
If they also set these identical standards for lawmakers, then OK.
 
2005-03-29 12:25:36 PM  
jst3p:

Then again, teachers are "role models" and our children do look up to some of them (I know I respected and looked up to a few of mine) and should set an example for the kids to follow.

The problem is who sets these "standards?" It's subjective and who knows what next will be targeted. Slippery slope indeed.
 
2005-03-29 12:25:46 PM  
If a teacher gets pregnant, should she be fired?
 
2005-03-29 12:26:30 PM  
Anyone notice these types of things only ever happen when it's a sellers market for jobs. Once the power swings back to the buyers (employees), these things never come up. It's probably just blowback from the late 90's where if an employer gave you shiat for anything you could tell him to fark off and have a new job outside of a week. Of course it's usually best if they're giving you shiat for things not related to work, but back then it didn't really matter. It was *really* a buyers market.
 
2005-03-29 12:26:43 PM  
If the law maker is concerned with standards and being good role models to children we should have a database of everytime a teacher did drugs back in highschool, college or had premarital sex.
 
sib
2005-03-29 12:27:02 PM  
while we're at it, can we add a 'No Spandex' clause to that?
 
2005-03-29 12:27:17 PM  
The question we have to ask ourselves: Is Our Children Fat?
 
2005-03-29 12:27:48 PM  
If this passes, can we keep a database of bat shiat crazy politicians and not allow anyone with an IQ lower than 120 be one?
 
2005-03-29 12:27:48 PM  
depafeo --
"If the law maker is concerned with standards and being good role models to children we should have a database of everytime a teacher did drugs back in highschool, college or had premarital sex."


And on the lawmakers too.
 
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