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(NCBuy)   Eli Lilly employee fired after writing book about how little he worked and how much money he earned   ( divider line
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2005-03-29 01:14:22 AM  
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2005-03-29 01:17:13 AM  
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2005-03-29 02:15:34 AM  
Good call on the "dumbass" tag.

Advise to others: If you're drawing a lucrative salary from your employer, you might want to think twice about writing a book about how you're farking them over.

/never, ever, bite the hand that feeds you.
2005-03-29 02:18:46 AM  
He'll make even more as a consultant that teaches companies how their marketing department is ripping them off.
2005-03-29 02:33:41 AM  
Sales people are lieing scumbags? This is news?
2005-03-29 02:42:50 AM  
Reidy said he worked for Lilly for four and a half years, first as a salesman but most recently training other representatives. The book is based on the five years he worked at Pfizer, which makes Viagra.

But wait, he was fired from a company based on his work ethics at a previous employment?

(shrugs) Perhaps justice was served.
2005-03-29 03:42:27 AM  
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Must've worked for Initech at some point.
2005-03-29 03:42:53 AM  
This isn't far from the truth. My dad worked for Eli Lilly in Indiana and he had a basic push-button Homer Simpson type job. But he made 80K. He only has a basic high school diploma but made a shiat load of money doing dumb shiat.

the reason they can pay their employees to do dumb shiat is from their huge drug profits.
2005-03-29 03:44:50 AM  
Maybe he should've written more about the connection between this and Viagra, allowing him to keep up the charade for several years. OTOH, it doesn't sound like this thing was very hard for him but he still managed to shaft the company...
2005-03-29 03:49:36 AM  
I am eminently qualified for this job.
2005-03-29 03:49:44 AM  
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/Oh yeah, I went there...
2005-03-29 03:51:09 AM  
Reminds me of this book:

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Pretty good read about the whole lot of nothings that went behind one of the biggest accounting firms in the world, from an ex-employee. No wonder the firm went bankrupt. Corrupt and extremely inefficient.

/hope image doesn't get farked
2005-03-29 03:54:29 AM  
So....he went to the doctors' offices claiming to want to sell them drugs, but once he got there everyone realized he just wanted to take their food?
2005-03-29 03:55:38 AM  
Yeah, the book isn't about working for Eli Lilly, it's about working for Pfizer, his former employer. Even though he seems to say Lilly is better run (harder to goof off) Lilly says his attitude makes him a bad example. Kind of makes sense to me, although this book seems like a public service to all companies with big sales depts. If he'd used his head and written it as if other people had told him the stories, he probably would have come out smelling like a rose.
2005-03-29 03:57:59 AM  

Advise to others: If you're drawing a lucrative salary from your employer, you might want to think twice about writing a book about how you're farking them over.

/never, ever, bite the hand that feeds you.

Not sure if I entirely agree with you. Sometimes book deals can be lucrative enough to worth losing your job over, and even more so if there's greater publicity involved. This article's a start. And then there are $2,000-per-lecture consulting jobs out there for how to target inefficiencies and corporate deadweights. It's all about carving a niche out for yourself, and seems like this guy has done a pretty good job so far doing exactly that.
2005-03-29 03:59:03 AM  
But wait, he was fired from a company based on his work ethics at a previous employment?

Yes. Clarification:

He was fired because "[Eli Lilly] couldn't allow him to set an example for its sales representatives."

I guess it's the same concept as if a bank manager found out that one of his tellers swiped a few bucks here and there from a previous bank where they worked. They would probably be fired pretty quickly, too. It doesn't matter if it was at a former employer, if I were said bank manager, I would always be suspicious and mistrustful.
2005-03-29 04:10:00 AM  
Biting the hand that fed him worked out pretty well for Scott Adams.
2005-03-29 04:11:12 AM  
What kind of douche would write a book like that while still working in that field? That's the kind of thing you do after you retire. Now lets see how easy it is for him to slack off and make tons of cash while he's looking for a job.
2005-03-29 04:23:39 AM  
No shock here. Salesfolks have it easy, depending on the field.

Example: Salesdweeb promises everyone and their brother the world out of the new product. Collects huge commission every time. Possibility of skipping town when an extremely lucrative deal goes through? Very high. Saw this happen...Sales guy knew the deal was in the bag (and in reality required very little work as this was a new version of an old contract) and knew he was going to get a huge commission. Gave his 2 weeks notice prior to the deal signing, leaving just enough time for the ink to dry on his fat check.
2005-03-29 04:28:30 AM  
"Reidy said Lilly told him it couldn't allow him to set an example for its sales representatives."

Should it be..."set UP an example"....?
They were selling Viagra.

"This is the unit before Viagra. And this is the unit AFTER Viagra."

/went there
2005-03-29 04:43:19 AM  
meh, best job testemonial of all time has to go to Anthony Bourdain for Kitchen Confidential. All he talked about was sex, drugs and the underbell of working in a kitchen and he ended up making a shiat load of money through it
2005-03-29 04:53:49 AM  
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First thing I thought of...
2005-03-29 05:45:42 AM  
"I can see where people may say it was unethical but I was still making my numbers," said Reidy. "I didn't think I was hurting Pfizer."

/ I cry for the world.
2005-03-29 06:39:50 AM  
Free Tuinals for everyone! Weeee!!!
2005-03-29 07:21:28 AM  
The Pharmacy industry is a joke. The only thing more absurd than their net profits (go look at the 10Qs) is the asbsurdly astronomical SG&A expenses. My ex was an enzymologist for Glaxo, and I saw up close what an opulent cash machine it was.

And the dear Republican honorable (cough, gag, puke) representative Billy Tauzin, who spent the last several years as chairman of the Energy and Commerce committee which oversees the FDA and the drug industry, has decided to leave Congress to become the head of the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association of America, the lobbying organization for the industry- less than a month after telling his constituents he was certainly returning to run again. So I'm sure everything is going to get better REAL soon, I'm certain Mr. Tauzin will work tirelessly, steeped in his deeply held Christian beliefs, to bring healthcare costs under control and insure (HA) that low and fixed-income American citizens can afford ALL the best drugs. Really.

/thanks again, part 642,378 Republican voters!
2005-03-29 07:37:49 AM  
Imagine that, firing somebody who wrote a book about his own dishonesty.
2005-03-29 07:44:32 AM  
It was just a mission statement.
2005-03-29 08:10:52 AM  
It was nice to see such a story posted here. Consumers need to understand just how much money the pharmaceutical industry makes.

We are being robbed blind. I would like to see more books of this nature published by people in that industry who are not afraid to speak the truth about pharmaceuticals and the rape of the American consumer.

This legalized graft is brought to you by US conservatives who protect big business. Oil would be another good example. (Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink.)

Before you start whining about the conservative jab, I worked in the pharmaceutical industry myself. I know.

Have a nice day.
2005-03-29 08:13:32 AM  
-It's like your present girlfriend leaving you for admitting you cheated on an ex-girlfriend...
2005-03-29 08:15:01 AM  

I make quite a bit of money renting stuff to these folks. Their primary job is to host lectures at expensive restaurants. They pick up a doctor/lecturer at the airport, invite a few local doctors, and eat a damn fine meal (usually with quite a bit of expensive wine added to the tab.)

Their expense accounts are practically unlimited.

So, you still wonder why drugs cost so much?
2005-03-29 08:15:14 AM  

-So where's your book?
2005-03-29 09:12:49 AM  
I worked in a pharmacy. I was not an insider. I was in a position to see what the profits are spent on in the area of marketing.

You, the American consumer, pay for things like customized Post-It Notes and notepads, pens and pencils, desk sets and any number of cool gadgets and knick-knacks. These items are very liberally distributed.

Look around your pharmacy (and your doctor's office) the next time you go there. Pharmacies do not have to buy pens or notepaper or a lot of other office supplies. They are more than adequately provided for by pharmaceutical companies.

You pay for seminars, vacations, first-class airline seats, expensive hotels, expensive foods and beverages (wine/liquor/designer beer), regular luncheons hosted by pharmaceutical reps and catered by the best companies.

You also pay for those all little samples that your doctor hands out in droves. Psychiatrist's offices hand out the most because prescribing psych drugs is a complicated science due to individual chemistry and the continuing mystery of the human brain.

Only the insiders can give us the true scope of the graft. The pharmaceutical industry is like an arm of the US government. That pill you just took is the equivalent of a $600 toilet seat.

Example: One medication regularly dispensed is produced at a foreign facility for about $.001, if that. Twenty-one of these tablets plus seven inerts (you know what it is now) costs the consumer $15-$20 per month. This is the copay.

I think you can figure out how much the profit is on your own.
2005-03-29 09:22:35 AM  
You know RC PhD, pharmaceutical companies are the only ones that send their employees to seminars and retreats in comfort, and give out promotional materials. And I'm sure there're no amounts of money required by pharmaceutical companies for the design and testing of the drugs at all to pass fairly stringent (if you don't forge the results) FDA drug tests.

Now by no means am I a proponent of the pharmaceutical industry, but I did work there for some time, and now I'm in academics. But the way you put things is ridiculous. Sure big pharma makes a whole lot of money, but they also have to spend a lot as well.
2005-03-29 09:31:12 AM  
Liberally given out? How about abandoned at the end of an event? My mom works as a coordinator for a universities continuing ed dept, they have the classes that the docs, nurses, etc need to keep the license. There are tables staffed by the drug reps heading into the rooms, most of the stuff is left behind because they can get more. I havent bought a pen, a post-it note(percodan currently), a golfball, a clock, day planner, coffe cup, I gots Viagra ties, or any asst of cool stress gadgets in years--hey, found a letter opener too! Although you will get strange looks from some when you offer them a Diflucan pen :)

What sense does it make to have someone that you wouldnt trust to tell you how to change the oil being the one telling the doctor all about the new drugs?
2005-03-29 09:32:33 AM  
I am aware of the R&D costs and the hoop-jumping for the FDA. Yes, pharmaceutical companies spend a lot of money. That money comes from drug sales.

Everyone needs medication. The drug companies can set whatever prices they want because their products are always in demand. The bottom line is that the American consumer is being raped for the medications he/she needs. You cannot argue your way around that. My example is true.

Do not be so quick to squash the truth. It makes you look very much like a supporter of the drug companies.

I have been an eyewitness to everything I stated in my initial post. I stand by my statements.
2005-03-29 09:34:50 AM  
I've got an idea.

How about we give up the idea that everyone is entitled to the latest and greatest drugs?

Let the rich/better insured be the test subjects.
2005-03-29 09:38:21 AM  
PS: Drug reps are generally bottom-of-the-class pharmacists. There are, of course, exceptions.

It is more than scary that people who plodded through college to be pharmacists are telling physicians about new medications.

My advice to the American consumer is to do your own research and find a good pharmacist whom you can trust and stick with him/her.
2005-03-29 09:49:55 AM  
You're purporting to know the "truth" of the matter after working in a pharmacy? Not even in a pharmaceutical company? You are in no position to claim to know where all the money went. You saw the high prices and nifty logos on Post-its, and that's it.

There's no doubt the companies make a profit, but isn't that the point of a business? We are a capitalist nation after all.

As for the birth-control, if that's the cost of the medicine there're any number of things you're not including in that price, such as packaging, marketing, shipment, salary (which I'm sure is a very small percentage since it's done overseas), not to mention the millions and billions which go to finding new drugs. It's a horribly painstaking process.

And I am a supporter of the drug companies, or at least I support the science. I know a whole lot of very honest and hard working people who went into that area in order to make a difference in the world, and to help people. I was one of them, and I went back to school so I could get better at it. I do disagree with the drive towards lifestyle drugs, like Viagra and whatnot at the expense of life saving and health improving drugs. But like any other business, pharma is driven by profit, and sadly not as much by altruism and science as I would like.

But not every pharmaceutical company is the same either, so stop lumping them together as some sort of "evil conspiracy" type conglomerate. For every Merck that fudges their trial data, there's a Johnson and Johnson who just developed a drug for tuberculosis which will make little to no money, as TB's a major problem in third world nations, which really won't spike profits much.

I don't intend this as a indication that I know all the angles, but enough with the "down with pharma" bullshiat, and declaration of "truth". Like any other industry there're good and bad things about it, and your one-sided view of it is patently simplistic and flawed.
2005-03-29 09:50:13 AM  
I heard this morning that the big manufacturers are going to stop selling to Canadian pharmacies that sell drugs to Americans over the internet. Drugs cost 60% more in the US than in Canada.
2005-03-29 09:53:42 AM  
Let us talk about "bundling".

Bundling is an agreement between HMO's and pharmaceutical companies and goes like this:

Pharm Rep: "If you encourage your physicians to push use of Med A, we will give you a better price on Meds B and C."

HMO: "This will help us reduce our costs. Count us in."

Result - Money saved by the HMO; physician makes a couple more bucks.

Remember, for every test you DO NOT get, your physician makes a little cash.

An HMO is a business that, by its very nature, is a conflict of interest.

Do your research. The medical industry is one big club financed by you, the American consumer. The pharmaceutical companies, the doc's offices, the HMO's see you as one, big SUCKER.
2005-03-29 09:56:32 AM  
Dear Abby, Dear Abby,
My stove is on "HI"
But I've got it turned off
So I don't know why
Other than this
Life is perfectly quaint,
Heated enough to peel off the paint

Dear heated enough
to peel off the paint,
You are what you are,
And you ain't what you ain't-
But the fire department
Isn't who you should call,
Simply unplug the oven
From the plug in the wall
Dear Abby

Dear Abby, Dear Abby
My life is a mess,
My daughter's a hooker
And my son wears a dress
Now my wife's at 400
And she won't wash a jar
The thought of the bedroom
makes me get in the car

Well Dear the thought of the bedroom
makes you get in the car,
You ain't what you ain't,
And you are what you are,
So turn on the TV
And open a beer,
And don't let the news
Make you live life in fear
Dear Abby
2005-03-29 09:57:31 AM  
should have the "obvious" tag. hello office space.
2005-03-29 09:59:11 AM  
I have spoken to many different people employed by many different pharmaceutical companies, eaten a lot of good food, taken some really nice vacations, and generally enjoyed myself at someone else's expense.

Regarding my example, that production cost of $.001 per tab includes all the items you listed in your "refutation".

I stand by my statements.
2005-03-29 09:59:16 AM  

You pay for seminars, vacations, first-class airline seats, expensive hotels, expensive foods and beverages (wine/liquor/designer beer), regular luncheons hosted by pharmaceutical reps and catered by the best companies.

Not so different from other industries. The bigger wastes of money are regulation, employees that lack ideas, and development of poor drugs with marginal benefit. Why? There is no competition.
2005-03-29 10:04:57 AM  

No, pharmaceuticals are not so different from other industries, but I cannot speak for other industries.
2005-03-29 10:07:26 AM  
So you're on here decrying the fact that pharmaceutical companies treat clients and employees to seminars, vacations, expensive food and beverages, while you yourself have taken advantage of this system?

Besides the obvious hypocrisy of this statement, you've not responded to anything I've said except by mocking it with "quotation marks" or by claiming "I stand by my statements". I'm through arguing the topic with you, why don't you go have lunch on the poor oppressed American pharmaceutical consumer.

This is my last post in this topic.
2005-03-29 10:13:16 AM  

I did not say at any time that the practice is right or that I am proud of having taken advantage of it. It is common practice, as you well know. I have provided this information only to support my statements.

If you had been paying attention you would have noticed that I no longer work in pharmacy. I left as a matter of principle.

Take a pill. Your former employer needs the cash.
2005-03-29 10:15:56 AM  
That reminds me how sick I am of those commercials:

"Ask your doctor if Mycofixamine is right for you!"

If I ever have to suggest to my doctor what drugs I need, I'm shopping for a new doctor.

And really, RC PhD, what is that "My advice to the American consumer is to do your own research and find a good pharmacist whom you can trust and stick with him/her.
" about?

No offense at all, but I'd advise people to find a doctor that is able to do his/her job. I guess I agree that your pharmacist needs to be competent, but really, if he/she can just follow your doctor's orders, it's all good.
2005-03-29 10:18:42 AM  
You should shop for a pharmacist just as you shop for a doctor. Their skill in pharmaceuticals is as important as your physician's skill in medicine.
2005-03-29 10:23:15 AM  
"Reidy said he finds it strange that Lilly fired him for actions he took while at Pfizer, and was somewhat surprised by the company's decision."
I suppose that you misrepresented your accomplishments at Pfizer on your resume and during your interviews, shiat-for-brains.

/Dumbass tag, indeed
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