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(USA Today)   Pentagon grants $12 million to develop "robots to perform full scalpel-and-stitch surgeries on wounded soldiers in battlefield conditions"   ( usatoday.com) divider line
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2005-03-28 03:57:51 AM  
VA Hospitals aren't full enough.
 
2005-03-28 04:00:14 AM  
Holy crap, I don't want no robot operating on me if I get shot!
 
2005-03-28 04:15:19 AM  
I've always wanted one of Larry Niven's autodocs. We're on our way...
 
2005-03-28 04:33:20 AM  
Magic: Holy crap, I don't want no robot operating on me if I get shot!

20 years before cars were invented.

Ye Olde Majick: Holy crap, I don't want no robot driving me where this horse can!

So, anyway, yes I suppose there is reason to say you wouldn't like a robot operating on you, but in the time that comes there will most probably be robots doing all sorts of things you wouldn't really feel comfortable with them doing now, like repairing you. Ironic though.
 
2005-03-28 04:33:27 AM  
Honestly, I think a robot would be the best way to do stitches. They could be designed to do much better work than a doc. Just look at a sowing machine for proof.

Other surgery...no way.
 
2005-03-28 04:36:30 AM  
Sewing machine even. We're not talking about farming, and I'm drunk.
 
2005-03-28 04:36:31 AM  
That's great and all, but will they find Sarah Connor?
 
2005-03-28 04:38:03 AM  
Ye Olde Majick: Holy crap, I don't want no robot driving me where this horse can!

So, anyway, yes I suppose there is reason to say you wouldn't like a robot operating on you, but in the time that comes there will most probably be robots doing all sorts of things you wouldn't really feel comfortable with them doing now, like repairing you. Ironic though.


MEh, there's a big difference between what moves you between point A and point B, and what cuts you open, does things to your innards, and sews you back up. I don't care if there's a human at the other end of it, I can't imagine any time in the near future (10-50 years) that they'd be able to manufacture something reliable enough that there'd be no risk of a split-second connection loss, or something, that ends up getting an artery severed. Or sensitive enough that it moves as to prevent damage if whatever vehicle it's in hits a bump while the machine's operating on someone.

Something in a field hospital where they are unable or unwilling to get a surgeon to in time to save someone's life, sure, use it then. But don't do something like mounting it in an APC, yet.
 
2005-03-28 04:42:13 AM  
Yeah, I meant after the initial 100+ years it'd take to perfect this thing, by that time they'd probably already created an easier method of healing wounds.
 
2005-03-28 05:08:23 AM  
Actually, this is a VERY good idea. If you give it some thought. Doctors don't do that much suturing nowadays, they have a suture nurse do it. If a robot can do that part 10x faster, that means 10x the number of people can be sewn up. I see no problem here.
 
2005-03-28 05:08:58 AM  
Custom5:

Yeah, I meant after the initial 100+ years it'd take to perfect this thing, by that time they'd probably already created an easier method of healing wounds.

I'd be happy with a canteen full of Potion of Cure Critical Wounds...
 
2005-03-28 08:23:41 AM  
TheXerox

That's great and all, but will they find Sarah Connor?



More importantly, will they stroll onto the battlefield and warn Will Robinson that there is danger?
 
2005-03-28 09:28:52 AM  
[image from gamebanshee.com too old to be available]

Anybody else think of Fallout when they read this headline?

Just me?
 
2005-03-28 10:03:03 AM  
kruuth - Actually, this is a VERY good idea. If you give it some thought. Doctors don't do that much suturing nowadays, they have a suture nurse do it. If a robot can do that part 10x faster, that means 10x the number of people can be sewn up. I see no problem here.

this is the idea of where the gains will come, i'm guessing. robots can be made to do certain tasks faster and more accurately than a doctor can, but they still have to be guided by something. mastering the computer vision and diagnosis will probably come in the next 50 years, but we're not even close to creating a robot as robust an dynamic as a doctor can be.

as a point of reference, i work in medical robotics and computer-assisted surgery, and i've worked on robots to facilitate different surgeries, such as unicompartmental knee replacement. from attaching the robot and registering it to the time it's done milling and you take it off, it can probably do the surgery in about a quarter of the time it would take a surgeon.
 
2005-03-28 10:15:49 AM  
Magic: Holy crap, I don't want no robot operating on me if I get shot!

Since it will likely be some kind of robot that shot you, that's a little petty of you, isn't it?
 
2005-03-28 01:57:17 PM  
Frankly, if I was lying wounded, I'll be happy with anyone/anything that can return my innards to their previous location and stop the bleeding.

Bonus points if they dole out morphine. Seriously, if I'm bleeding, I'll be overjoyed to let a crack-addled chimp work on me if it keeps me from a painful death.
 
2005-03-28 02:04:51 PM  
ALL YOUR PROSTATE ARE BELONG TO US!!
 
2005-03-28 02:04:59 PM  
Alan Alda surrenders.
 
2005-03-28 02:05:33 PM  
[image from baixaki.ig.com.br too old to be available]

/I for one welcome our new bio-suit cutting, limb-ripping overlords
 
2005-03-28 02:06:44 PM  
Sure DocBot 1.0 sounds cool with its stitching capabilities but I'm going to hold out until DocBot 2.0 comes out. That version will be able to assess the patient's status and, if necessary, will put a single 50 cal bullet through the heart so as to end the suffering or if the DocBot is just having a bad day.
 
2005-03-28 02:06:49 PM  
Yoinked right from SA's game review thingy, as this was the first thing that came to mind:

[image from img31.exs.cx too old to be available]

/didn't RTFA...yet.
 
2005-03-28 02:06:56 PM  
What?!?!?!


no "find Sarah Connor" cliche?
 
2005-03-28 02:08:39 PM  
What could go wrong with that? I think I'll be buying some stock in battery backups now.
 
2005-03-28 02:09:20 PM  
I have a better idea. How about the Pentagon grant $12 million to develop robots to perform and replace human soldiers in battlefield conditions!
 
2005-03-28 02:09:27 PM  
So what about the robots to do all the work in society while I get to enjoy life Logan's Run style... minus the running and the death and the freezing.

----

Scalpel to chest!
 
2005-03-28 02:09:46 PM  
I demand that someone post pictures from the MASH parody on Futurama.
 
2005-03-28 02:09:54 PM  
Not even Bill Gates could get the computer to detect certain hardware in Windows 95. What makes you think a robot surgeon's gonna realize a piece of shrapnel to be removed isn't in fact your lung?
 
2005-03-28 02:10:26 PM  
ALL YOUR MAMOGRAM ARE BELONG TO US!!
 
2005-03-28 02:10:41 PM  
Frank Burns eats worms.
 
2005-03-28 02:10:53 PM  
I usually say they spend too much on defense at the cost of education and social welfare...but, man, that's cool. Anything that gets us closer to robot ninjas duking it out on the battlefield for world domination is a-ok by me.
 
2005-03-28 02:11:10 PM  
Will they use Windows?

I actually have wondered if it is possible for someone to hack or otherwise interfere with telescopic surgery. I think that is the name for it, when the doctor is in one state and the patient in another, but one doctor in an expert in X surgery, but condition X makes it impossible for the doctor to get around. I also wonder who and where one is sued for malpractice.
 
2005-03-28 02:11:33 PM  
Hey - if it doesn't work out for saving lives...

[image from taintedbill.com too old to be available]
 
2005-03-28 02:11:51 PM  
tsx11,

These bots are going to be gasoline burning. In order to "feed" the robots, we're going to liberate more and more middle eastern countries. Then we'll go to South America, and we'll go to Texas and Alaska, the Gulf of Mexico and then we'll go to Russia and then Canada and ARRRGGGGHHHHHARRRRRRRRRR!
 
2005-03-28 02:12:46 PM  
Imo they need to focus more on Sex bot technology
 
2005-03-28 02:12:54 PM  
[image from www2.newnanutilities.org too old to be available]

/not impressed
 
2005-03-28 02:13:11 PM  
The Pentagon is awarding $12 million in grants on Monday to develop an unmanned "trauma pod" designed to use robots to perform full scalpel-and-stitch surgeries on wounded soldiers in battlefield conditions.
The researchers who pitched the Defense Department on the idea have prepared a futuristic "concept video" that seems straight out of a teen fantasy game, showing with full color and sound effects the notion that robots in unmanned vehicles can operate on soldiers under enemy fire and then evacuate them.


Unfortunately, the cost of the concept video ate up most of the $12 million in grants, so the researchers will be asking for another $5 billion to complete the actual project.
 
2005-03-28 02:14:15 PM  
So Skynet has medics now? Why bother - shouldn't they be repair robots? ;-)
 
2005-03-28 02:15:48 PM  
They better get robot insurance.
 
2005-03-28 02:16:52 PM  
Fark that. I'd rather bleed out than let one of those things near me. I mean... come one, if I know anything about army equipment its that it can never be trusted.
 
2005-03-28 02:17:43 PM  
[image from edmiarecki.com too old to be available]

Two researchers standing with the prototype.
 
2005-03-28 02:19:34 PM  
Why not have robots doing the fighting *instead* of the soldiers?
 
2005-03-28 02:20:03 PM  
Te: I have detailed files on human anatomy.

SC: It's makes you a more effecient killer, right?

Te: Correct.

/Yikes
 
2005-03-28 02:20:15 PM  
This is all good and well, but where's the flying car I was promised?
 
2005-03-28 02:20:28 PM  
"I'm shot in the arm... no, I said my arm! That's not my arm! That's not my--Oh, God, someone turn this farking thing off!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!"
 
2005-03-28 02:21:49 PM  
Damn it, adm_crunch, you beat me to the punch!

Nicely done.
 
2005-03-28 02:25:07 PM  
Oh, that's easy. I've got two of 'em in the original wrappers.
[image from mycollectiblesonline.com too old to be available]

/not really
 
2005-03-28 02:27:05 PM  
Soldier: My name is Dix and I'm hurt. There's some shrapnel in me, please remove it.

Doc-Bot: Remove...Hurt...Dix
 
2005-03-28 02:27:22 PM  
Already been done. Saved Bruce Dern's life too.
(could not find image of actual surgery, so this will have to do.)

[image from robotbits.com too old to be available]
 
2005-03-28 02:35:29 PM  
j.ko: Why not have robots doing the fighting *instead* of the soldiers?

Too efficient. No power. No glory.

The Grumpy Old Pricks wouldn't be able to justify enormous open-ended defense contracts, and they wouldn't have the fun of trying to convince parents to push their freshly graduated high-schoolers into military service.
 
2005-03-28 02:36:18 PM  
This isnt' a war ... it's a murder...

::flip::

This isn't a war, it's a moi-dah!

//bite my shiny metal a$$
///no posting pics skills
 
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