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2005-03-27 09:15:25 AM
 
2005-03-27 09:18:38 AM
Well they do have that whole "If you drink booze for 12 hours straight like a goddamned fool you could probably die" thing going for them. Where the average toker would probably drift comfortably off to sleep in about the 4th hour.
 
2005-03-27 10:03:31 AM
and you don't get high on pot and riot in the streets... you smoke another bowl and watch it on TV.
--
You don't die from smoking too much pot. You just get lethargic and lazy and something else I can't remember...
 
2005-03-27 10:37:23 AM
There is no viable study comparing smoking weed to drinking and their damages regarding car accidents and deaths. As such I consider both to be equal. If you drive stoned you should be under the same penalty.

/piss tests for anyone in an accident.
 
2005-03-27 11:37:31 AM
"As such I consider both to be equal."

Pure bullshiat.

I don't drink, don't smoke anything, don't do anything. Hate the thought of it.

That said, I would gladly see all alcohol removed from the world and replaced with marijuana. Stoners don't riot in the streets and stab you in the back at the bar.
 
2005-03-27 12:18:12 PM
Radioactive Ass:

There is no viable study comparing smoking weed to drinking and their damages regarding car accidents and deaths. As such I consider both to be equal. If you drive stoned you should be under the same penalty.

/piss tests for anyone in an accident.



Can't do it - urine tests reveal use back as long as three weeks so a positive test would be useless. There is no 'snapshot' test that can determine if someone is currently under the influence of marijuana. Courts in some states have made a habit of throwing out "Driving while stoned" charges because they rely almost solely on the officer's perception.

/hardly ever gets in the car without smoking
//been in one accident in 500,000 miles of driving and it was the other guy's fault
 
2005-03-27 12:22:24 PM
This reminds me of The Streets song "Irony of it All"
It's a nice little song/conversation between an alcoholic and a pothead. enjoy the lyrics!

Hello, Hello. My names Terry and I'm a law abider
There's nothing I like more than getting fired up on beer
And when the weekends here I to exercise my right to get paralytic and fight
Good bloke fairly
But I get well leery when geezers look at me funny
Bounce 'em round like bunnies
I'm likely to cause mischief
Good clean grief you must believe and I ain't no thief.
Law abiding and all, all legal.
And who cares about my liver when it feels good
Wwhat you need is some real manhood.
Rasher Rasher Barney and Kasha putting peoples backs up.
Public disorder, I'll give you public disorder.
I down eight pints and run all over the place
Spit in the face of an officer
See if that bothers you cause I never broke a law in my life
Someday I'm gonna settle down with a wife
Come on lads lets have another fight

Eh hello. My names Tim and I'm a criminal,
In the eyes of society I need to be in jail
For the choice of herbs I inhale.
This ain't no wholesale operation
Just a few eighths and some Playstations my's vocation
I pose a threat to the nation
And down the station the police hold no patience
Let's talk space and time
I like to get deep sometimes and think about Einstein
And Carl Jung And old Kung Fu movies I like to see
Pass the hydrator please
Yeah I'm floating on thin air.
Going to Amsterdam in the New Year - top gear there
Cause I taker pride in my hobby
Home made bongs using my engineering degree
Dear Leaders, please legalise weed for these reasons.

Like I was saying to him.
I told him: "Top with me and you won't leave."
So I smacked him in the head and downed another Carling
Bada Bada Bing for the lad's night.
Mad fight, his face's a sad sight.
Vodka and Snake Bite.
Going on like a right geez, he's a twat,
Shouldn't have looked at me like that.
Anyway I'm an upstanding citizen
If a war came along I'd be on the front line with em.
Can't stand crime either them hooligans on heroin.
Drugs and criminals those thugs on the penny coloured will be the downfall of society
I've got all the anger pent up inside of me.

You know I don't see why I should be the criminal
How can something with no recorded fatalities be illegal
And how many deaths are there per year from alcohol
I just completed Gran Tourismo on the hardest setting
We pose no threat on my settee
Ooh the pizza's here will someone let him in please
"We didn't order chicken, Not a problem we'll pick it out
I doubt they meant to mess us about
After all we're all adults not louts."
As I was saying, we're friendly peaceful people
We're not the ones out there causing trouble.
We just sit in this hazy bubble with our quarters
Discussing how beautiful Gail Porter is.
MTV, BBC 2, Channel 4 is on until six in the morning.
Then at six in the morning the sun dawns and it's my bedtime.

Causing trouble, your stinking rabble
Boys saying I'm the lad who's spoiling it
You're on drugs it really bugs me when people try and tell me I'm a thug
Just for getting drunk
I like getting drunk
Cause I'm an upstanding citizen
If a war came along I'd be on the front line with em.

Now Terry you're repeating yourself
But that's okay drunk people can't help that.
A chemical reaction inside your brain causes you to forget what you're saying.

What. I know exactly what I'm saying
I'm perfectly sane
You stinking student lameo
Go get a job and stop robbing us of our taxes.

Err, well actually according to research
Government funding for further education pales in insignificance
When compared to how much they spend on repairing
Leery drunk people at the weekend
In casualty wards all over the land.

Why you cheeky little swine come here
I'm gonna batter you. Come here.
 
2005-03-27 01:54:38 PM
Radioactive Ass: /piss tests for anyone in an accident.

That would show people who got stoned weeks if not months ago.
 
2005-03-27 02:12:04 PM
doccm9,

Sorry, did you have a point to make?
 
2005-03-27 02:57:39 PM
SafariShane: doccm9,

Sorry, did you have a point to make?


Does any stoner?
 
2005-03-27 04:13:22 PM
to those who have used it, marijuana is obviously a much safer alternative to alcohol...that being said, i don't think we should promote either but if it came down to keeping alcohol legal or making marijuana legal....legalize the herb. i understand that prohibition doesn't work, but suspend your disbelief for a minute:

that would remove a huge burden from our healthcare system that involves caring for alcoholics and their various physical problems directly related to alcohol. also, drunk driving accidents would be greatly, greatly reduced. taxes gained by the government from legalization could help reduce the debt we are accruing daily as a result of our various attempts at enforcing "deomcracy by the sword" and help to treat people who are addicted to real, dangerous drugs.

my 2 cents
 
2005-03-27 05:02:13 PM
I decided to do some impromptu research on the effects of the chronic doja weed before posting in this thread.

Conclusion: Jesus supposedly "rose" today, which is really secret bible code for "packed a fat bowl in his hookah and took a huge hit, then shotgunned Mary Magdalene." The Bible is a victim of historical revisionism by extremists and conservatives who are ultimately afraid of independent thought amongst the rabble, and are themselves afraid of the slightest change in thought processes. You see the cross imagery in Judeo-Christian literature is essentially a metaphor for the burden caused by the three-day Heroin bender Jesus went on. He thus discovered that pot is great not only for withdrawal, but the everyday stresses of life. (plus it is great in loosening up women to pursue "in the biblical sense.")

Anyhow, I think this thread was about pot or something.
 
2005-03-27 05:15:38 PM
damn mizike you just incurred the wrath of the entire Fark branch of nutjob conservatives.

congrats.

haha
 
2005-03-27 09:41:23 PM
There is no viable study comparing smoking weed to drinking and their damages regarding car accidents and deaths

Actually I read in either discover or PopSci an article a while back about the nations most advanced driving research facility. One of the things it mentioned they tested was the effect of various legal and not so legal substances on driving ability. Pot landed a fair bit above eating a meal full of turkey, closer to that of cold medicine, but far, far less then alcohol.

If I wasn't so lazy I'd try to look it up.
 
2005-03-27 09:56:10 PM
When drunk I am a danger to myself and society, when I am stoned I am a danger to my fridge.
 
2005-03-28 12:22:55 AM
There is no viable study comparing smoking weed to drinking and their damages regarding car accidents and deaths.

wrong: US Department of Transportation study.
 
2005-03-28 12:29:03 AM
for those too lazy to do the google search: here
 
2005-03-28 01:00:55 AM
mizike:

I decided to do some impromptu research on the effects of the chronic doja weed before posting in this thread.

Conclusion: Jesus supposedly "rose" today, which is really secret bible code for "packed a fat bowl in his hookah and took a huge hit, then shotgunned Mary Magdalene." The Bible is a victim of historical revisionism by extremists and conservatives who are ultimately afraid of independent thought amongst the rabble, and are themselves afraid of the slightest change in thought processes. You see the cross imagery in Judeo-Christian literature is essentially a metaphor for the burden caused by the three-day Heroin bender Jesus went on. He thus discovered that pot is great not only for withdrawal, but the everyday stresses of life. (plus it is great in loosening up women to pursue "in the biblical sense.")

Anyhow, I think this thread was about pot or something.


You should see the shiat Paul had.

Happy Undead Zombie Jesus Day everybody!
 
2005-03-28 01:27:05 AM
doccm9: Happy Undead Zombie Jesus Day everybody!

OMG UR THE ONLY PERSON ALL DAY TO SAY THAT.
 
2005-03-28 01:27:34 AM
Two in a row? Here's hoping for the trifecta!
 
2005-03-28 01:28:36 AM
All I know is I'm drunk. I have a farking gallon of vodka downstairs. And I want weed. What does that tell you about the difference between weed and alcohol?
 
2005-03-28 01:32:59 AM
Jesus isn't a zombie, he's a reverse zombie!

He comes back from the dead and demands that you eat his flesh! It's got reverse zombie written all over it baby. You can only kill a reverse zombie with a sharp blow to its foot, a gun blast or large nail will do the trick.
 
2005-03-28 01:38:18 AM
yeah but what about alcohol and pot consumed at the same time? and what about weed brownies or cookies, or even peanut butter and jelly and weed sandwiches? are those allowed?
 
2005-03-28 01:38:50 AM
Q: What's the difference between a drunk driver and a stoned driver?


A: A drunk driver runs the stop sign. A stoned driver waits for it to turn green.
 
2005-03-28 01:39:22 AM
bbcrackmonkey: Jesus isn't a zombie, he's a reverse zombie!


I kinda think he's a vampire. People who drink his blood will come back to life and live forever or for a 1000 years or something.
 
2005-03-28 01:40:36 AM
 
2005-03-28 01:41:13 AM
Anyone else notice that the Fark Personals girl is the hot tattooed girl from that MTV show "The Apprentice" with Andy Dick? That being said, I think it's an imposter, because all of the information is different from the MySpace for the real girl.

5'11" and 160lbs? haha

/back to the legalization talks
 
2005-03-28 01:41:26 AM
matt damon
 
2005-03-28 01:41:28 AM
oooh man pbwj sounds so good right about now! and a pizza, and some funions...

/has munchies
 
2005-03-28 01:42:52 AM
A smaller force of marijuana smokers?

/didn't rtfa
 
2005-03-28 01:46:19 AM
Sleeping pills put you to sleep much faster.

Or you could give many pints of blood. It makes you very sleepy.

/Cocaine in the other hand......
 
2005-03-28 01:53:24 AM
Alcohol has caused so much death, misery, suffering, sickness, heartache and destruction of families over the centuries,

***Oh SO going to hell for next comment alert!***

kind of like religion. (waits for flames in 3... 2... 1...)

But NOBODY has EVER smoked a doobie and beaten his wife or kids to death, robbed a 7-11 (who are we kidding, they'd see the doritos and end up spending 20 bucks), or comitted any violent (or otherwise) crime as a result of the smoking of, or a need to buy more pot, PERIOD.

Keith Martin, Alliance MP from British Columbia was quoted standing up in Parliament and stating "The only possible way marijuana could cause you physical harm would be if a bale of it were to fall on you..."

Apparently the Liberals are listening.

/pot smokin' PI
//stoned right now
 
2005-03-28 01:56:00 AM
If America were a true democracy, marijuana would be legal.

/In Japan
//Frustrated because it's almost impossible to get any here.
///Hasn't smoked up since his last trip to the US...
 
2005-03-28 02:10:15 AM
Private Dick
Nice one...


I like the cut of your jib.

I still haven't seen any good evidence to convince me that pot is dangerous. As has been pointed out, no one has managed to toke themselves to death yet, but I've seen a few close calls with booze.

/I don't smoke up
//Do like my alkeyhol, tho
 
2005-03-28 02:20:20 AM
 
2005-03-28 02:23:32 AM
hafnar said: I like the cut of your jib. I still haven't seen any good evidence to convince me that pot is dangerous. As has been pointed out, no one has managed to toke themselves to death yet, but I've seen a few close calls with booze.

Gracias, amigo. Well, here's some evidence that might convince you even more that it's NOT.

Recently some researchers did some... research into exactly what a lethal dose of marijuana would be, and comparitavely speaking, a lethal dose of marijuana is 40000 times the psychoactive dose, and a lethal dose of alcohol, a legal drug (yes kiddies, alcohol is a drug), is 4 to 10 times the psychoactive dose.

Basically for weed, this means you'd have to smoke approximately seven and a-half pounds of it in one shot to OD, and with booze, you'd have to fire back about 2 fifths (that's 2-26'ers to us Canucks) in one shot for the same thing.

/put that in yer pipe and smoke it.
//no, really.
 
2005-03-28 02:33:15 AM
7.5 pounds, eh? that could make a huge bLunt!

/nyc farkers, anyone game??
//just kidding
///or am i?
 
2005-03-28 02:37:03 AM
One last comment and I'll get off my soapbox.

Before anyone accuses me of being a modern day Carrie Nation, I LOVE my beer and my scotch, just not enough to ruin my or anyone else's life as a cause of it.

Do what you will, but hurt noone in the process.

I have no problems at all with heavy drinking on occasion, I'd be a farking hypocrite if I did. What I have a problem with is the incredibly irresponsible way we (And I mean we as a species) play with all our toys.

What do you do when a child doesn't play nicely?

Take away their toys.

As much as I like a cold one on a hot day, I could live in a world without alcohol, just like I could live in a world without lawyers...

/apologies to Lionel Hutz
//man I got the munchies...
 
2005-03-28 02:37:20 AM
Private Dick
I'm now contemplating what it would be like to smoke 7.5 lb of weed in one sitting. I know one guy who'd definitely like to go out that way.

Nifty info, BTW
 
2005-03-28 02:47:02 AM
they will send a message that students think a few puffs from a joint are a lot safer than several shots of beer

shots of beer?

god bless this, our america.
 
2005-03-28 02:54:25 AM
several shots of beer

60 in 60?
 
2005-03-28 02:56:40 AM
Basically for weed, this means you'd have to smoke approximately seven and a-half pounds of it in one shot to OD

so in the bible, where it says people must be stoned to death, they would sit them down, and say, "ok, you really asked for it THIS time!" and hand them 15 doobies?

i'm assuming people in biblical times rolled 'em as big as i do..
 
2005-03-28 03:12:08 AM
Radioactive Ass

by valid would you mean... scientific method, government run, (not NRML or any 'pro-legalization' org)?

Well actually according to a DOT/NTSA study...


The addition of these data to those previously collected merely broadens the range of reactions that might be expected to occur in real life. That range has not been shown to extend into the area that can rightfully be regarded as dangerous or an obviously unacceptable threat to public safety.

link to said DOT study

\\know what you're talking about
 
2005-03-28 03:18:08 AM
The love of the halflings leaf has NOT slowed MY mind.

\\when I'm not high that is

\\avoids driving regardless (counter-strike or surfing or poetry is much more fun anyway)

\\legal medical user ( stress reduction therapy is definitely of medical benefit as well)
 
2005-03-28 03:32:32 AM
several shots of beer

60 in 60?


100 in 100.

no. really. it's totaly safe. trust me.
 
2005-03-28 03:40:57 AM
Climbs back up on soapbox

Ok, I lied.

Olorin, I wouldn't be so quick to trust the government to provide unbiased reports on marijuana (althogh the DOT one seems to be, in some respects.)

Case in point: In 1971, then senator Ronald Reagan comissioned an "independant study" of the affects of marijuana on the human brain. The vivisec- I mean researcher he "hired" (who's name escapes me, I'm sorry) strapped several rhesus monkeys into chairs and force-fed them the equivalent of 5 "columbian strength" (whatever the fark that means) joints over a 5 minute period.

The "researcher" then killed the monkeys, examined their brains and concluded beyond the shadow of a doubt that marijuana caused brain damage.

(Hey you, SIT DOWN. I know you know where this is going, but let the rest of the class catch up.)

Enter Hugh Hefner who as we all know, likes his wacky tobaccy as much as the rest of us. Well, Hef called shenanigans on the good ol' US of A and sued the government for full disclosure on this particular subject.

The long and the short of it is, (wait for it) YOUR GOVERNMENT LIED TO YOU AND COVERED UP A CONSPIRACY.

GASP! NO!

What the report didn't say was the fact that this "researcher" did indeed feed these little primates that much pot smoke, BUT NOTHING BUT POT SMOKE, JUST SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE through a gas mask for 5 straight minutes.

I don't care of you're a freaking monkey or Arnold freaking Shwartzennegger, if I fed you nothing but smoke and no bloody OXYGEN for 5 straight minutes, yer damn right you'd have brain damage!

6 years later, president Jimmy Carter was mere days away from passing a bill that would have made pot legal in the US, but then a member of his cabinet got busted on a narcotics charge and instead of doing the right thing, ol' Jimmy caved and scrapped the bill.

Pot is illegal because of lies, money, lies, politics, lies, deceit, lies, character assasination, lies, racism, the DuPont and Hearst families in the textile and paper industries, lies, and a piece of lying shiat named Harry Anslinger who orchestrated one of the biggest lies in history. Did I mention you've been getting lied to all these years?

/time to wake up
//all hippie BS aside, this innocuous little plant could save us all, if only we'd stop believing the lies...
 
2005-03-28 03:43:28 AM
LegalizeThoughtCrime,
Wasn't there a FARK link not to long ago about the bible being revised to change the wording of those lines? Or were they changing it from "stoned" to "stoned to death," in which case, could still be interpreted as a 7.5lb doobie...
 
2005-03-28 03:52:25 AM
taken from "Nickel and Dimed[On (Not) Getting By In America]"(highly advise this book to everyone!:
"there are many claims for workplace drug testing: supposedly, it results in reduced reates of accidents and absenteeism, fewer claims on health insurance plans, and increased productivity. However, none of these claims has been substantiated, according to a 1999 report from the ACLU, "Drug Testing: A Bad Investment." Studies show that preemployment testing does not lower absenteeism, accidents, or turnover and (at least in the high-tech workplaces studied) actually lowered productivity - presumably due to its negitave effect on employee morale. Furthermore, the practice is quite costly. in 1990, the the Fedral Government spent $11.7 mill. to test 29,000 fedral employees. Since only 153 tested positive, the cost of detecting a single drug user was $77,000. Why do employers persist in the practice? Probably in part because of advertising by the roughly $2 bill. drug-testing industry, but I suspect that the demeaning effect of testing may also hold some attraction for employers."
--Barbara Ehrenreich (pg.128)

i fully agree, ask some one to piss in a cup for a job, weeks after the fact of that he/she smoked a little herb and they in no way can be employed. it's recockulious!!

we need to do away with this it meerely makes us ( the underlings) submit to those in power. if one where to work with heavy machenery or with peoples lifes i would hope that there was a test(if someone couldn't get their shait together to pass the test then they shouldn't get the job. yet, if it's only a blue collar, get shait on job-- let them toke away, it may be the only release form that bs life they have.)
/went to CU and graduated
//smoked almost the whole time
/// clean and STILL unemployed (over qualified, WTF does that mean!?!?!?!)
 
2005-03-28 05:03:27 AM
I'm in Amsterdam and I'm gonna get high and watch the Mr. Show episodes I just downloaded. It's not even noon yet.
 
2005-03-28 05:42:29 AM
bastard i envy you! stop in chritstania and get some mushies for me will ya?
 
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