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(Seattle Times)   Marriage is becoming pass� in Europe   ( divider line
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4362 clicks; posted to Main » on 24 Mar 2002 at 12:08 PM (15 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2002-03-24 12:11:34 PM  
So marriage has finally caught up with the use of deoderant?
2002-03-24 12:14:06 PM  
That's OK. Europe is passe. Anything is passe if it has little things above letters - like passe.
2002-03-24 12:16:45 PM  
We're usually ahead of you :)
2002-03-24 12:21:00 PM  
This is good news. I am homosexual and it is one of my innate ambitions to see the family system destroyed so as to better be able to recruit new flesh. Furthermore, now that I know that fecundity is adored in Italy, maybe I can find a husband and a child. Good morning. It is Sunday, March 24, 2001 and my brain is ready to serve this world once again.
2002-03-24 12:33:30 PM  
Hytes Xian, that has to be the funniest post I have ever seen from you. Excellent work.
2002-03-24 12:34:57 PM  
"[...] said Kari Moxnes, a professor of sociology at the University of Trondheim in Sweden."

Huh? Is Norway a part of Sweden again? Yay!
2002-03-24 12:36:23 PM  
I had already known this fact. Because I always prefered to have bastards package my tins of sardines.

Oh Wait....sorry, my mistake, it says "packed in mustard....."
2002-03-24 12:37:16 PM  
I've been married. I think it's pass½ in my life. u
2002-03-24 12:37:41 PM  
Looked good before I posted. LOL
2002-03-24 12:53:28 PM  
Norway is a part of Sweden.... :) Norway is Sweden´s biatch...
2002-03-24 12:57:21 PM  
Some stats I found here:

Percent of births to unmarried women in the US (2000): 33.2
Lowest: Utah, 17.3%
Highest: Washington D.C.: 60.3%

The next two, Mississippi (46%) and Louisiana (45.6) are not unexpected but New Mexico (45.6%) kinda suprised me.
2002-03-24 12:57:28 PM  
Thanks, mod.
2002-03-24 01:07:41 PM  
This is sad really.
2002-03-24 01:11:45 PM  
Here's a gem. 96.5% of girls under the age of 15 in the US who gave birth in 2000 were not married. That works out to about 298 married women 14 years old and younger who had a child in 2000... What state allows 14 year old women to get married?
2002-03-24 01:28:43 PM  
eeeek. this is bad. really bad.
2002-03-24 01:52:17 PM  
There are a lot of bastards in Europe
2002-03-24 01:55:43 PM  
At least one part of the world is giving up stupid rules that are written in 2000 year old books.
2002-03-24 01:57:36 PM  
Notice they said marriage was passe. That means they don't have to hold up their hands in front of the church or the state and ask for a pat on the head for following the societal norms. The more the church and the state tell me what they do, the more tempted I am to give them a good nutpunching.
2002-03-24 02:00:13 PM  
This be worthy of the "Obvious" tag.

Oh, and Apeshaft, at least Norway tried to fight the Nazis, what was Sweden doing? Pulling a bad impression of Switzerland and granting Hitler rites of passage through your guy's territory. Way to make the French look badass. Yup, Norway's Sweden's biatch, as much as they're switching to the Euro.
2002-03-24 02:04:26 PM  
Oh, in case you're wondering, I usually love you Swedes, it's just that I get a little sensitive when you start claiming Norway as your own- feel free to badmouth it all you want for other things, just don't lump the two countries together.
2002-03-24 02:07:22 PM  
This isn't such a great thing. A lot of people will be pissed when their partner dies and the kids inherit everything. After all, sons and daughters are in line before long-term girlfriends.
2002-03-24 03:01:01 PM  
Europe? Isn't that the place where they are just now getting around to having a union and a common decimal-based currency like the United States?
2002-03-24 03:02:07 PM  
Albrecht's Law: Social innovations tend to the level of minimum tolerable well-being.
2002-03-24 03:26:14 PM  
Crotchrocket Slim: You're right in telling ApeShaft off. Norway has traditionally been Denmark's biatch.

Shuh: When Mexico, Canada and the US share a currency and have no internal borders your comment will have a little more value. :)

And remember kids: Not being married is bad, mmkay?
2002-03-24 03:44:18 PM  
Huzzah! The Gay Agenda is finally working!

OK.. now explain to me again.. how do homosexuals prevent couples from getting married?
2002-03-24 03:57:25 PM  
If religious folks who are suppressing their homosexuality don't get married or become priests, then it's awfully easy for the evil gays to convert them!
2002-03-24 04:08:31 PM  
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2002-03-24 04:09:39 PM  
Yeah, this is good news

Tell me what is with the world in its absolute desire to shrug off every single last influence from any mention of the past? Honestly I don't see what is so wrong with ideals such as love, marriage, and/or basic rules such as Dont Kill, Dont Steal, etc. These aren't exactly the most difficult of concepts to consider and were generally made for a *reason*.

Well, whatever, this goes along just perfectly with my concept of sex becoming a mere passtime (as described in the "Unpaid Whores" comments). Not that I have much hope in the direction the world's taking these days anyways.
2002-03-24 04:11:48 PM  
Over here in the Netherlands marriage is limited to gay people. It's illegal to marry someone of the opposite sex.
2002-03-24 04:16:03 PM  
Starless, I doubt you can link marriage and murder as similar decline in morals.

The US as a nation promotes murder and marriage, while both the rate of murder and marriage is lower in Europe. Somehow it doesn't add up.
2002-03-24 04:22:40 PM  
What OrphanedWombat meant to say was "When New York, California, Wyoming share a currency and have freedom of movement over internal borders your comment will have a little more value."

The Eu is cool. Any EU citizen now has the right to live anywhere in the EU they wish. Of course, they still need a Residence Permit from the local government to move to a different EU state, but the local government can't refuse to issue the permit. Unless they have a reason.

Ahh, but whtat do I know? All I know about the EU I read on their web site.
2002-03-24 04:37:23 PM  
DrRatchet: I actually meant exactly what I wrote, since joining Mexico, Canada and the US would be a more valid comparison.

I'm impressed by your extensive research of the EU's website, but I don't see what you're getting at. I'm sure you are able to realize that joining nations that have been separate entities for decennia is more of a challenge than joining some colonies.
2002-03-24 04:42:35 PM  
DrRatchet: I actually meant exactly what I wrote, since joining Mexico, Canada and the US would be a more valid comparison.
Wrongo. Canada has about as many people as California or New York. Mexicans feel free to move here and work whether they are citizens or not. I don't see what more we have to do... ;)
2002-03-24 04:44:46 PM  
Crotchrocket Slim, Sweden was very pro-nazi, and so was Norway too, before Germany invaded them....
2002-03-24 04:49:47 PM  
Shuh: You have a point.
2002-03-24 04:52:39 PM  
Crotchrocket Slim, as far as I know, Norway didn't fight the nazis until they were invaded by them. If the nazis had invaded Sweden, I can promise you the Swedes would have fought the nazis as well. Sweden didn't have almost one million people in the army for nothing during those years, you know.

Sweden was just doing what Switzerland, the US and other countries were doing at the time, trying to stay out of the war.
2002-03-24 04:59:40 PM  
Joining canada, mexico, and the US would be more like joining the EU, North Africa, and Switzerland. Or something.

Two hundrid and mumble years ago, before the colonies formed the US, they were very much seperate states (in the "state=country" sense.) They did, however, share a common cultural background (the first 13, that is. Later, there was Louisiana, which was a French colony, and the western territories, which had been Spanish, to some degree.)

The colonies had at most a couple of hundred years of history at the time of union, where the Euro states typically have a thousand or more. This made things easier, I'm sure. If the Euro states had only tens of years as separate entities, as OrphanedWombat suggests, it would be really easy.

Even after the constitution was ratified, the states kept a deep identity as seperate entities. Over the next few hundred years, this identity faded somewhat, with the Civil War and WWII both being events that resulted in a strengthining of the central federal government.

Anyway, there's a simple way to experiance just how seperate and individual the states are... Come to the US, rent a fast car, and get yourself arrested for speeding in Ohio, Texas, Louisiana, and California. I think you would be amazed at how difference the experiance would be in each state. Save Louisiana for last, and bring bribe money.
2002-03-24 05:07:11 PM  

Europe? Isn't that the place where they are just now getting around to having a union and a common decimal-based currency like the United States?

The United States? Isn't that the place where they are just now getting around to using a standardized, decimal-based measurement system?

Oh, wait, the US isn't even close to doing so. Never mind.
2002-03-24 05:11:37 PM  
DrRatchet: If you really believe that joining the different states that make up the US was more complicated than overcoming the historical differences between the nations of Europe, then I'm sure we can agree to disagree.

And with decennia, I meant of course erm... many, many decennia. Hundreds! Erm... yes. *cough*
2002-03-24 05:11:45 PM  
Hey, our measuring system is standardized and decimal-based. It's just that we all have twelve fingers...
2002-03-24 05:20:35 PM  
OrphanedWombat, No, I believe the opposite. I said that joining the states of EU is more difficult than the joining of the colonies was. I'm also saying that the joining of the EU states is a closer analogy to the joining of the US states than would be the joining of the US and canada and mexico.

I'm also saying that with time, the individual identity of the EU nations may fade in a few centuries, just as it did with the US states. And, thanks to my "Alex Chui" magnetic shoes, I hope to be there to see it.
2002-03-24 05:27:22 PM  
DrRatchet: I would still say that the difference between Denmark and Portugal and between those and Poland (which is due to join the EU) are quite similar to the difference between the US and Mexico. Think language barrier, different laws, different type economies and so on.

All that said, I will go and enjoy my hangover in front of the TV, where there's less of a danger of my fragile intellect being challenged.
2002-03-24 05:39:09 PM  
DrRatchet: I would still say that the difference between Denmark and Portugal and between those and Poland (which is due to join the EU) are quite similar to the difference between the US and Mexico. Think language barrier, different laws, different type economies and so on.

This would also describe the differences between Virginia and Louisiana. Language barrier (English and French) different laws (English common law v. Napoleonic Code) And Louisiana was using, I think, Spanish money at the time.

Now, 200 years later, We're starting it all again with the North American Free trade thingie. So perhaps, in 200 years or so, the EU will have had time to solidify in to nationhood, the US and Canada and Mexico will have united (the natural extension of NAFTA, I think) and the time will be right for the EU to form a union with the UsCanMex alliance! Yes! a NEW WORLD ORDER!!

Have fun with the hangover, OW, TV probably sucks less where you are than here.
2002-03-24 06:21:00 PM  
And this is cool because of... why?
2002-03-24 07:37:46 PM  
What's passe is the "cool" tag probably hit up by a Cannanite for this article.
2002-03-24 08:21:05 PM  
A story similar to this one apppeared in today's New York Times. I bet you $20 it was more interesting and better researched than this one from Seattle.
2002-03-25 09:04:10 AM  
This is not cool. This is sad. What the fark is so wrong with marriage?

It gives new meaning to the term "European bastard."
2002-03-25 04:35:54 PM  
Marriage is great for most, but if you don't want to get married for personal reasons, just live together for a few years and have kids. You can then be considered "common law", with is recognized by most US states.

The institution of marriage is older than Ancient Eygpt, in the US it is mostly social and legal pressures that force people to get married.
2002-03-25 05:49:33 PM  
Great! Open communities, shared cooperative parenting, and relationships based on friendship and children rather than on sex and ownership. So after good ole Henry Ford almost killed it, it looks like the Village is making a comeback. Outstanding!!
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