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2005-03-21 12:08:07 AM
lies! I got kicked out of karate as a kid for being too hyper.

but it's probably good I didn't learn taekwondo. I've never had much use for kicking samurai off horses.
 
2005-03-21 12:08:46 AM
ADD isn't a made up disease, and no, adult ADD isn't crap.

And yeah, martial arts classes do help. It's not physical activity, or the fear of getting hurt making you pay attention. It's learning to focus in a different way.

I've never taken ritalin or anything, although it'd help. I've been strongly considering going back into martial arts again because it DID help so much when I was.

Jimbo: Do you have an Aikido instructor near you? Tai Chi would probably suit you well, too, although most classes concentrate more on the fitness aspect and aren't terribly interesting. If you can find one that's not, it's a lot of fun.
 
2005-03-21 12:08:53 AM
Felgraf

Haha yep! I never used to be able to read or study either. I explain it to people like this...

You know when you're on the phone with someone and you're watching TV at the same time? You try to listen to the person on the phone, but you just end up hearing the TV. That's what it was like in my head. I would end up reading the same paragraph over and over again and never retain anything.

I wish I could give the "ADHD is BS" people a day to live in my unmedicated brain. That would convince them.

I call them my crazy pills! hehe
 
2005-03-21 12:09:58 AM


ahhhh focus daniel san
 
2005-03-21 12:10:01 AM
Felgraf

And hey! 200 years ago, they didn't have Alzheimers or Cancer, either! Or Quarks or black holes or supernovas!

Oh, no, wait. They still existed, we just didn't know they existed.

(Saying "Well, we didn't have it in BLA BLA BLA" doesn't prove anything. Something can exist without having been discovered.)


Have you had the balance of your humors checked lately? You seem to be a bit high-strung. Mayhaps you should see my barber-surgeon, Dr. John Dee?
 
2005-03-21 12:11:34 AM
Asmodeus
Rogue classes rocked...Ranger was the bestest of the rogue variations.

/end geekiness


Actually, rangers were a fighter variant, not a rogue. You know a lot about everything you pipe up on, don't ya?
 
2005-03-21 12:11:43 AM


who needs karate when there's this wonder drug?
 
2005-03-21 12:13:36 AM
bbcrackmonkey

Pretty much what I said, really.. 's the mind of a hunter-gatherer stuck in a farmer's world. One of the reasons I love to play paintball when the opportunity presents itself, really.. I'm allowed to let my mind be in it's 'natural environment', as it were.

'S like sticking a coyote in a small cage and placing rabbits outside of the cage. Damn right that thing's gonna be twitchy and distracted, even if you've trained it to do tricks, and such.
 
2005-03-21 12:13:46 AM
Jimbo

I took TaeKwonDo for three years and found it to be one of the best ways to stay fit. The problem with your previous experiance may have been the intstructor as the quality of the instructor makes a HUGE difference. If you can find a Jeet Kun Do center near you, you might want to check that out too.
 
2005-03-21 12:13:47 AM
People with ADHD *can* come up with coping mechanisms. Anyone who didn't get diagnosed until they were an adult probably has a million. I bet Karate is a great coping mechanism.

Unfortunately, if it's truly ADHD with the busy brain and not just a behavior problem, medication is the only way to quiet the brain. I have a friend who has known he had ADHD since he was a kid, but never went on meds. He goes to me "I've gone this long and I'm fine." But I finally convinced him to go to the doctor when I said "You don't have to just cope and you don't have to feel like this. It doesn't have to be so hard." He's on meds now and last I heard it was helping him a lot.
 
2005-03-21 12:14:39 AM
Jimbo

Yeah, but you know what I'm saying. People are so willing to avoid personal responsibility for their own lives. ugh.
 
2005-03-21 12:15:02 AM
AtomicPenguin

Actually, rangers were a fighter variant, not a rogue. You know a lot about everything you pipe up on, don't ya?


Depends, are we talking about 2nd Edition or 3rd Edition?

How appropriate, of course, that a thread about ADHD becomes a thread about AD&D.
 
2005-03-21 12:15:59 AM
PerroLoco
'tis true. I see people all the time claim to have ADD, and, since I have it myself, I know they're full of shiat. At least I take responsibility for being a failure thus far.
 
2005-03-21 12:16:40 AM
LincolnLogolas

Have you had the balance of your humors checked lately? You seem to be a bit high-strung.

Everyone with ADHD is high strung. We're usually a lot of fun though! We get bored so easily that we're usually trying to find new things to do.
 
2005-03-21 12:16:45 AM
Felgraf
what do you take for it?
 
2005-03-21 12:17:10 AM
fearmymullet
*Shudders* Ugh. I took that stuff for a month, and lost 10 pounds.. being the wiry, skinny guy that I am, they took me off that stuff quite swiftly. God, but I hated it.

LincolnLogolas
Good point. But that still doesn't mean ADD or ADHD doesnt exists, now does it? Advances have been made both ways: we've found things that we didn't know existed, and we've discarded ideas that we found to be wrong. Again, my personal experience has shown me that my brain opperates in a different fashion from most people. Just because it may be overdiagnosed because some people want to avoid responsibility doesn't mean that's so in every case.

Pehaps I shall introduce you to a demon possesed friend of mind, who hears the voices of the devil in his head? Even the most powerful preist can't seem to purge them! I guess we'll have to burn him at the stake, for the good of the village....
 
2005-03-21 12:17:11 AM
Felgraf

'S like sticking a coyote in a small cage and placing rabbits outside of the cage. Damn right that thing's gonna be twitchy and distracted, even if you've trained it to do tricks, and such.


So you're saying that you've constantly got a parade of boobies in front of you? I'd either say you're lucky, or a schizophrenic with VERY nice hallucinations.
 
2005-03-21 12:17:45 AM
Suleimon
Yeah, this instructor wasn't the greatest. I guess I'll try it again at a different dojo...or maybe this jeet kun do.
/forgot to keep it in one post again
 
2005-03-21 12:20:18 AM
Felgraf

Pehaps I shall introduce you to a demon possesed friend of mind, who hears the voices of the devil in his head? Even the most powerful preist can't seem to purge them! I guess we'll have to burn him at the stake, for the good of the village....


Now now, people who were often subject to fits (ie Epileptic seizures) were usually viewed as saintly, not demonic. Julius Seizure was rumored to be subject to such fits. Of course, this was subject to politics.
 
2005-03-21 12:20:56 AM
monkeybiatch
Currently? I'm taking stratera. I took part in the drug studies for it, and I must say, I like it if only because it's not a stimulant . I can eat, sleep, and I don't feel like there's a gun forcing me to focus. I can sorta choose to 'fade' back to that unfocused state if I want to. It makes it so I'm *able* to focus. But it's not for everyone, of course.

Lincoln Logolas
Oh, I wish... 'twas just an analogy. Perhaps a ferret in a cage with several shiny objects would have been a better analogy (because, really, shinies are what distract us. Or moving things. Or sounds. Or.. Oooh! Bird!)

rose8199
That is one aspect I rather enjoy. I've been able to amuse myself with a peice of string or a pen cap for about a half an hour or so.
And damn, if you give me them both...
 
2005-03-21 12:22:33 AM
ADHD is the perfect disorder for rock band drummers... actually, most drummers I've known did have ADD or ADHD.
 
2005-03-21 12:23:19 AM
PerroLoco
Yes, some people do use it as an excuse to avoid personal responsibility, and that's probably one of the reason's it's overdiagnosed.

Which is kinda irritating to those of us who do have it and don't use it as an excuse, to tell you the truth...
 
2005-03-21 12:24:11 AM
LincolnLogolas
Did you make that edit? That's awesome.
 
2005-03-21 12:25:22 AM
People who can go fark themselves;

shoeeater, RobDude, joelawyer, asmodeus224, PerroLoco, and anyone else I may have missed.
 
2005-03-21 12:26:08 AM
Felgraf

Were you a fidgeter too? I totally was. I could never stop moving around in my seat. I was always playing with someing (pen cap, string) or chewing a pen. I had my tongue pierced for a couple months, but had to take it out because couldn't stop clicking it against my teeth.

I'm on Strattera too... it rocks now that it stopped making me sick.
 
2005-03-21 12:26:25 AM
maybe because in class they have a dude that's paid to kick their ass telling them to sit down and shut the fark up? it's a miracle! the epidemic has a cure! they were gonna call it discipline, but that won't sell so they changed the name to Xonax
 
2005-03-21 12:28:36 AM
LincolnLogolas, I'm DYING over here! Sweet jebus I can't stop laughing!
 
2005-03-21 12:30:16 AM
Felgraf,
I just started a norepineferine reuptake inhibitor (effexor) myself - How long did you find it took before it really started to kick in?
 
2005-03-21 12:32:14 AM
monkeybiatch

I felt like I was on cold medicine for the first week (I realized that was because my brain was just slowed down).

About three weeks later I noticed a big difference.
 
2005-03-21 12:32:23 AM
Logolas...... that is freakin' great.
 
2005-03-21 12:34:13 AM
 
2005-03-21 12:34:54 AM
Still laughing

/fav pic
 
2005-03-21 12:35:09 AM
My own personal hypothesis is, give any student a prescription to amphetamines, their grades will improve.

/diagnosed adhd inattentive type
//20mg dexedrine daily
///often skip doses
////often take more than recommended daily dose
 
2005-03-21 12:36:55 AM
A good friend of mine has ADD. She's 19 now, but she was diagnosed when she was 9, I think. She's a university student and she has to take Ritalin or she can't focus at all. Even when she's on it, it can be frustrating talking to her sometimes because she has a terrible memory as a result of the ADD. I'll tell her about something one day and she'll completely forget about it. If I mention it again later, she'll be like, "What? When did you tell me that?" I'm like, "I told you yesterday!" Or she'll forget that she was supposed to be somewhere at a certain time. And sometimes, she gets hyperfocused, where she'll be so focused on a task that she won't stop until she's completed it, whether it's important or not. And when she's not on the meds...man. If we're having a conversation, she'll randomly change the subject and stuff like that. And she just gets really spacy. But she's a legitimate ADD case. Whenever people say stuff like, "ADD is made up," I want to say to them, "Oh really? Let me introduce you to my friend, then."
 
2005-03-21 12:40:16 AM
sexfuneral

What gives? You train your body and mind to do what you WANT them to do. You learn discipline to control your actions. It's not rocket science.

There are two kinds of people: those who learn to overcome their limitations, and those who depend on them. So ask yourself, which are you?


jimbo, felgraf

Kepp rockin' guys. (no pun intended)
 
2005-03-21 12:40:41 AM
LincolnLogolas

that's farking great!

//wipes tear from eye
 
2005-03-21 12:41:53 AM
CraicBaby
I promise you, the random subject changes will make sense in her head. -_^

Our train of thoughs (Our, being ADD/ADHD people) tend to go like this: Someone mentions X. X reminds us of Y. We think about Y for a few moments, and Y reminds us of Z. Z can remind us of B, which we then begin to talk about. (Add however many extra degrees in their we want).

We live inside of "6 Degrees from Kevin Bacon" generators. Or that Connections show. That show kicked ass.
 
2005-03-21 12:43:57 AM
I always wanted a thing called tuna sashimi.
 
2005-03-21 12:47:29 AM
My son has symptions of ADHD, and is taking TKD with me.

So far it has helped him. He has better focus, discipline, respect, and self-control now. First day of class he was able to break a board.

Our Master Instructor says that 60% of the children he teaches have ADHD, and have shown improvements.

For my son, he was able to do better in school.

There is a lot more to martial arts for children, other than becoming a little ninja or whatever. There is a lot about leadership that is taught as well.

I was diagnosed with depression as a child, this was before ADHD was discovered and children who had that type of problem got diganosed as depressed. I've had a lifetime of misery living with depression, suicide attempts and all. TKD helps to teach me self-control, if I can control my body, eventually I can control my mind and fight back the mental illness.

Some people joke about it, but Martial Arts can teach a child to handle ADHD on their own. Martial Arts can also provide the discipline and other things that modern parents are not teaching their children.
 
2005-03-21 12:50:31 AM
I can't focus on a damn thing, I must have ADD.
 
2005-03-21 12:51:46 AM
CraicBaby: A good friend of mine has ADD. She's 19 now, but she was diagnosed


Maybe she is just farking stupid? Did you ever think of that?

Oh yeah ADD is made up.
 
2005-03-21 12:52:10 AM




/Okay now, Timmy. Can you tell me: In Chapter 7, what kind of car did Gatsby drive?
 
2005-03-21 12:54:53 AM
monkeybiatch

... Um... if that's what STratera is, then it'll probably take about 3 weejs to a month or so to build up in your system and kick in, yeah.

And the side effect of 'wierd dreams'? That's accurate, I think. Then again, I don't really *mind*...
 
2005-03-21 12:56:59 AM
PerroLoco
Thanks.

Priapulid
Considering you are making a positive assertion (I.e, that ADD is made up), I would liek to see some evidence of this. You have not, I shall remind you, asserted that ADD is overdiagnosed. That I will not disagree with. You have stated it does not exist, period. Paragraph. That no one ever had it. That I don't have it. Please, by all means, prove this. I will laugh as I watch you try.
 
2005-03-21 12:59:54 AM
two of my 4 kids have adhd.

those two kids were getting straight Fs in school. and my son was on the verge of getting expelled for being a contstant bother in class. No amount of butt whooping, screaming, timeouting, thearpy, talks, punishment, removal of toys, fun, dignity worked. So take that argument and shove it. I'm a stellar parent of all of my kids, the other non ADD kid gets sraight As.

On meds, my two ADD kids get Straight As also.
If there is nothing wrong with them, then why does this medication provide such a dramatic improvement in behavior that NOTHING else does?
 
2005-03-21 01:00:42 AM
And my inability to spell 'like' does not stem from my ADD. It stems from either lack of sleep, or, more likely, because I am a physics major. What is this "Grammer" and "Spelling" that you speak of? BAH! I have no need of these 'eeeeeennngggllish courses'. Away with you!

:)
 
2005-03-21 01:00:48 AM




/voted for Kerry, btw...but still teh funnay
 
2005-03-21 01:01:31 AM
Felgraf:

Considering you are making a positive assertion (I.e, that ADD is made up), I would liek to see some evidence of this. You have not, I shall remind you, asserted that ADD is overdiagnosed. That I will not disagree with. You have stated it does not exist, period. Paragraph. That no one ever had it. That I don't have it. Please, by all means, prove this. I will laugh as I watch you try


Actually Im refuting your positive assertion that it does exist. Prove to me that it does and you just arent a normal person that wants an excuse for being distracted.
 
2005-03-21 01:07:01 AM
lionfish:

If there is nothing wrong with them, then why does this medication provide such a dramatic improvement in behavior that NOTHING else does?


Drugs can produce positive / negative results in many different areas:
If I take a depressent I get sleepy.
If I take a stimulant I become more awake /alert.

No magic there.

Im not saying your kids dont have problems focusing, shiat that is part of life, I have trouble focusing sometimes. But relying on drugs to "fix" your attitude is wrong in my opinion.

Looking at as "oh something is wrong with me" rather than "I better get my shiat together" is a growing problem.
 
2005-03-21 01:13:32 AM
Well, considering that ADHD is a bullshiat disease

Screw you too, joelawyer.
 
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