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(Aftenposten.no)   Paramedics diagnose woman as "dead," leave her. Police upgrade her to "alive." Hospital later upgrades her to "glad you're feeling better, have a nice day, come back and see us some time"   (wjla.com) divider line 48
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2005-03-19 04:16:31 PM  
That's just scary. But I wish the article was a little more in-depth, because I don't quite understand this part. The woman in question says it wasn't the first time something like that has happened.

Does that mean it's happened to her before? Maybe she needs to start keeping a note on herself somewhere: Attention paramedics: please check for pulse and heartbeat more than once, I've been mistaken for dead before.
 
2005-03-19 07:30:39 PM  
Raven77:

Attention paramedics: please check for pulse and heartbeat more than once, I've been mistaken for dead before.

Don't they make a bracelet for that?
 
2005-03-19 08:04:03 PM  
we need a pic of this lady.. some people just have that "died fifteen years ago" look about them.
 
2005-03-19 08:04:38 PM  
i think the point was it's happened before to other people.. still creepy.
 
2005-03-19 08:04:49 PM  
nice.
 
2005-03-19 08:05:04 PM  
Bring out yer dead!
But I'm not dead yet.
I feel happeeeee!
 
2005-03-19 08:07:31 PM  
Burns was rushed to a nearby hospital where he was pronounced dead. He was then transferred to a better hospital where doctors upgraded his condition to "alive".
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/just trying to correct the slightly muddled reference in the headline
 
2005-03-19 08:07:37 PM  
Paramedic one: "She breathin?"

Paramedic two: "Uhhh, I dunno. Uhhh, no."

Paramedic one: "You hungry?"

Paramedic two: "Yeah."

Paramedic one: "Let's roll."
 
2005-03-19 08:11:05 PM  
I didn't know paramedics were allowed to pronounce someone dead unless it was in the "obviously dead" class. That's things like missing a head.
 
2005-03-19 08:12:04 PM  
dancingbaptist: Bring out yer dead!
But I'm not dead yet.
I feel happeeeee!


For some reason when I read that I thought of Santa.

/watching WAY too much Robot Chicken

//yes, I know it's supposed to be a Monty Python reference
 
2005-03-19 08:12:14 PM  
The exact same thing happened to Jesus after a Jagermeister and crack bender. But he had good insurance, and three days later he was as good as new, except for all the holes.
 
2005-03-19 08:15:31 PM  
Picture here
 
2005-03-19 08:15:54 PM  
"I think I'll go for a walk."
"You're not fooling anyone."
 
2005-03-19 08:17:26 PM  
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2005-03-19 08:17:30 PM  
Strange...

no cheapshots towards social democracy yet...
 
2005-03-19 08:17:57 PM  
I'm getting better!

/yeah, it's been said
 
2005-03-19 08:18:44 PM  
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2005-03-19 08:21:59 PM  
I blame that subpar socialized medicine...

/yes, I read the article.
 
2005-03-19 08:22:29 PM  
Major Thomb you are co-rect sir. I worked as an EMT for a little while and someone aint dead until they're "warm and dead". You make every effort to ressucitate until a doctor or other authorized medical staff tells you otherwise, or the patient is the aforementioned "warm and dead".

"Obviously dead" (lol) would cover my first "patient" which turned out to be a 77 year old woman that had died of natural causes in her Lazy-Boy.


3 weeks previously.


In July.



Her TV was still on and she still had the remote control fused (I mean FUSED) to her hand. Normally this would be a job for the coroner, but those wacky guys in dispatch decided to send the new "Boots" to go deal with it.

Yeah, those wacky coroners, friggin' hilarious...
 
2005-03-19 08:23:17 PM  
Does nobody use CPR or defib these days?
 
2005-03-19 08:37:27 PM  
"What'll we do? She's dead."

"Wanna just dump her? At a convenience store or something?"
 
2005-03-19 08:39:37 PM  
I ATEN'T DEAD
 
2005-03-19 08:43:26 PM  
Don't you have to be a doctor or something like that to be allowed to declare somebody dead on most of the world?

If I happen across a body I am fairly sure I would have to try to keep it alive until someone told me I could or I could get in trouble.

And nothing short of actual decapitation should be taken as proof that someone is real dead. You would be surprised to learn how dead some alive people can actually look.
 
2005-03-19 08:47:04 PM  
Major Thomb
I didn't know paramedics were allowed to pronounce someone dead unless it was in the "obviously dead" class. That's things like missing a head.

A relative of mine quit his EMT job after having to perform CPR on a dead body for the 20-minute drive to the hospital, because he wasn't allowed to just say, "she's dead." Oh, that and the same weekend responding to a call for a stabbing, and having the stabber turn up to try and finish off the job while he was still there, but before police had arrived . . .
 
2005-03-19 08:48:52 PM  
steveGswine
I ATEN'T DEAD

Ever wake up wondering why your mouth tastes like mice, or thinking you should be able to fly?
 
2005-03-19 08:49:06 PM  
steveGswine: I ATEN'T DEAD
She was just on a Borrowing, eh?

Turns out she was only mostly dead.

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2005-03-19 08:50:04 PM  
Private Dick

I think your post outlines every reason why I'm not in a medical profession.

Ugh... Just... Ugh.
 
2005-03-19 08:52:45 PM  
I blame the last paragraph for this.
 
2005-03-19 08:57:44 PM  
She ain't dead...

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/obvious
//going to Hell.
 
2005-03-19 09:03:09 PM  
The union hired a lawyer to dispute the case and try to get her job back...


Next time I see a medical emergency, it may be better NOT to call 911
 
2005-03-19 09:03:15 PM  
"...the union has hired a lawyer for the dismissed medic, who had an administrative hearing on Friday and is fighting for her job back."

'cause as long as you pay your dues you're qualified...
 
2005-03-19 09:04:57 PM  
Fantastic_Dan:

Burns was rushed to a nearby hospital where he was pronounced dead. He was then transferred to a better hospital where doctors upgraded his condition to "alive".

I always thought that line would have been funnier if the second hospital had upgraded his condition to "not dead."

/Not to say that it's not already funny
 
2005-03-19 09:05:21 PM  
doubleagent99
Ever wake up wondering why your mouth tastes like mice, or thinking you should be able to fly?

It'zz the beezzz that zzzcrew me up.

/more of a Vimes type personally
 
2005-03-19 09:18:30 PM  
steveGswine
/more of a Vimes type personally

I'd like to flatter myself and say I'm an Angua, but honestly I'm about 70% Granny and 30% Nanny - or I will be in another 50 years . . .

/just grateful not to be Magrat
 
2005-03-19 09:35:52 PM  
You've all disappointed me.

Was a Yassir Arafat joke THAT hard to make?
 
2005-03-19 10:08:19 PM  
Why does this have a Norwegian newspaper tag when it happened in Arlington, VA and was reported by a local TV station? Why not something more apropos like say a DUMBASSES tag?
 
GCD
2005-03-19 10:17:18 PM  
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2005-03-19 10:56:43 PM  
A relative of mine quit his EMT job after having to perform CPR on a dead body for the 20-minute drive to the hospital, because he wasn't allowed to just say, "she's dead."

But the EMT school from the matchbook never said anything about having to perform CPR for 20 minutes...
 
2005-03-19 10:57:50 PM  
My question would be why didn't these "paramedics" listen to breath and heart sounds before pronouncing, or do a 12 Lead EKG Before pronouncing this person.

Take away their licensure!
 
2005-03-19 11:00:50 PM  
Also, the presumptive signs of death mean nothing unless more than three are present, (AAOS 8th Edition, Emergency Care and Transportation of the Sick and Injured), and a ALS crew and doctor should make the presumptive call.

In otherwords, if they don't have liver mortis, rigor mortis, or dependant lividity, then..they should be coded until called in ER.
 
2005-03-19 11:08:02 PM  
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Let me know at once if his condition changes. (hangs up). He's dead.
 
2005-03-19 11:27:30 PM  
This happened in my town a few years ago, except the woman was declared dead at the scene and actually put in a body bag and brought to the funeral home.

She woke up a while later while down in the morgue still in the body bag. The funeral director, luckily, was down there at the time and heard her. Can't imagine what must have gone through his head...

/true story
//just one of many stupid things in this town
 
2005-03-19 11:35:59 PM  
whoa! the same thing happened at a hospital in kentucky where i used to live. some extremely old woman is brought in "frozen to death," placed in the morgue, and then wakes up a day later. scared the shiat out of some orderly.
 
2005-03-19 11:48:32 PM  
How can unions be so vital to keeping workers' rights secure but be so completely asinine in so many cases?
 
2005-03-20 12:05:06 AM  
Once paramedics have arrived on scene and have a legal duty to act, they generally can't leave until a physician agrees to pronounce the patient dead and sign the death certificate. This is generally done through medical control. Each area has different protocols for determining the feasibility of resuscitative efforts to prevent situations like this. In my area there have to be obvious signs of death as hardinparamedic stated: lividity, rigor mortis, obviously mortal trauma such as decapitation, etc. At the very least they should have put her on an EKG. Dead people ain't got no rhythm. Except for this guy:
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2005-03-20 01:35:54 AM  
...i think this thread's dead, but i just hafta say that was very well played Toxic. kudos to you!
 
2005-03-20 08:02:36 AM  
"My question would be why didn't these "paramedics" listen to breath and heart sounds before pronouncing, or do a 12 Lead EKG Before pronouncing this person.

Take away their licensure!"

Ditto. A 5 second 'quick' peek would of been enough.
 
2005-03-20 12:19:44 PM  
What about when you show up, the patient is obviously dead, he has DNR scrawled across his charts, there's a ragin' blizzard outside making the truck driving extremely hazardous (two trucks already hit snowbanks that evening) and the consulting physician at the hospital says "don't treat him, he's dead"?

/brother's a paramedic
//well, not anymore
///stupid lawyers
 
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