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2005-03-18 10:37:56 AM
seeing as both "adamantium" and "light sabers" don't exist, how can nothing overcome nothing?


fags.
 
2005-03-18 10:38:25 AM
groininjury: Actually that whole Mithril thing had me second-thinking.

Magic completley throws all the rules out of the window. That's why I let you answer the question first. My first answer would be no, adamantium couldn't damage mythril, but I must admit I'm not geek/nerd enough to have read everything ever written about mythril, and as a consequence I'm not qualified to answer the question.
 
2005-03-18 10:38:38 AM
dramaticpause it nice to see that while nerds and geeks are typically feeble & viable targets for poundings that they too can be a bully

/hurray I get to be a bully too!
 
2005-03-18 10:39:08 AM
When Frodo got stuck with the spear by the cave troll, why did the Mithil just not line the outside of the blade and pass through his body?

Magic.

How about -- Legolas is firing arrows at Kwai Chang Caine...
 
2005-03-18 10:39:13 AM
Pro Zack: So which is tougher, superman's cape or The Hulk's pants?

On chili night?
 
2005-03-18 10:39:34 AM
On the same note, I am surprised that a geek somewhere hasn't asked who would win in a fight between Wolverine and Ridley Scott's alien...

Adamantium vs. caustic acid blood and spit... hmmm. That is a tough one...
 
2005-03-18 10:39:51 AM
Groininjury
I read yesterday that they finally found out why oil keeps steel parts from wearing. under tremendous force, it basically turns into rubber, and absorbs the impact. mithril may be the same way - absorbing the impact - turning it into heat, rather than transmitting it to the fragile skin of said hobbitses. of course, hobitses are more resiliant than they look.
 
2005-03-18 10:39:53 AM
...but there is also adamantium from D&D....

Actually, in D&D there is no adamantium. It's adamant[b]ine[/b]. And it's not indestructable, just very hard and tough. A lightsaber from the Star Wars D20 game could cut through it no problem.

So there! Make a Will save or suffer my wrath!
 
2005-03-18 10:40:23 AM
Lightsaber, what's that suppose to be? Perhaps a small fusion reaction contained in a beam by magnetic confinement? If so, the heat of it would burn the holder of it to a crisp.

At least wolverine has cool sideburns.
 
2005-03-18 10:40:23 AM
Which is tighter:

Hulks pants, or Bon Scott's pants?

/Jesus, my balls hurt
 
2005-03-18 10:41:44 AM
Xzibit! Pimp my saber!
 
2005-03-18 10:42:22 AM
The excess nerd energy just make my desk fan spin around like it's haunted.
 
2005-03-18 10:42:27 AM
Yes, it can.

We already know Adamantium can be severed by a high powered energy blast. In one of the alternate universe X-Men comics, Wolverine was missing a hand because Cyclops blew it off, sheering through his adamantium coated bones.

I'd argue that there are definite similarities between the type of damage caused by a lightsaber and Cyclops' optic energy blast.
 
2005-03-18 10:42:31 AM
lexslamman
that would definitely test Wolverine's healing abilities -

but anything that eats iron ore has to be a tough customer...
 
Xai
2005-03-18 10:43:10 AM
considering that both adamantium and light sabers are fiction (barely theoretical) and do not currently exist, it is not known if a light saber could in fact cut adamantium.

In theory because all matter is simply an arrangement of atoms, any material can be cut with sufficient energy.

However since neither exists you could never cut anything with a non-existant device so the answer is no.

Flame on!
 
2005-03-18 10:43:15 AM
seeing as both "adamantium" and "light sabers" don't exist, how can nothing overcome nothing?


fags.


Seeing as this is completely obvious, what is the need for saying it?

Fag mirror reflects back at you.
 
2005-03-18 10:43:34 AM
The Saint of Killers

Yes, you are wrong. http://www.answers.com/topic/adamantium

If you're going to lame out and start researching this on the net then you ought to at least go to the source:

http://www.marveldirectory.com/misc/adamantium.htm
 
2005-03-18 10:43:52 AM


Wow, I'm lonely.
 
2005-03-18 10:44:17 AM
CatholicSamurai

Anything in the Marvel Univ. that is made of adamantium (Wolverine's skeleton, Cyber's skin, Bullseye's spine, Ultron itself, Cap America's shield) is pretty much indestructable.

Just a side note: Cyber no longer has his adamantium skin--in fact he was killed for it. When Wolverine was in his feral, post-adamantium stage he was captured by a pack of bad guys (who's names I can't recall) that attempted to infuse Wolverine with the adamantium from the recently departed Cyber. Wolverine rejected it and forceably expelled it from his body, killing half the people in the room with flying adamantium shards.

Also, Cap's shild is not adamantium. According to Marvel:

Adamantium: An artificially created alloy of iron that is the most impervious substance known on Earth, with the exception of the unknown Adamantium-Vibranium alloy of which Captain America's shield is composed.

If I recall correctly, that combination was made on accident and never replicated.

Back to the original question: A lightsaber could cut through adamantium; however, as many of my fellow nerds have said, it would take an exceptional amount of time to do. Much easier to use the Jedi Mind Trick on Wolvie and convince him you aren't the Jedi he's looking for.

Oh, by the way NineInchNader, Wolverine should have never beaten Lobo. That was a travesty.

And Overlord, the correct spelling is adamantium.

Now if you guys want to engage in a serious nerd debate, let me ask who would win in a battle between the Imperial Navy of Star Wars, and Starfleet of Star Trek. My vote: Imperial Navy.
 
2005-03-18 10:44:37 AM
I always liked the Gamma World system of indestructible materials. They had Duralloy and Powered Duralloy. Duralloy was hard, as hard as diamond, but it could be destroyed. When you applied power to it, though, a molecular force field set up throughout the material and nothing could damage it. The only way to stop something made of powered duralloy was to first take out its power source.

/rpg nerd.
 
2005-03-18 10:44:51 AM
I wonder who would win in a fight - Wolverine or Vision

/intangibility is so frustrating
 
2005-03-18 10:45:52 AM
Some history of Adamantium

Adamantium is a virtually indestructible man-made steel alloy which does not occur in nature and whose exact chemical composition is a United States government classified secret. Adamantium is not an element: its properties do not qualify it for any known space on the Periodic Table of Elements. Adamantium is a series of closely related compounds of iron created through a secret process discovered by the American metallurgist Dr, Myron MacLain.

MacLain began experimenting with the process that created Adamantium as a young scientist in the employ of the United States government in the early 1940s. Assigned to create a super-metal with which to build tanks, MacLain labored for month, experimenting with various iron alloys. One of his experiments utilized the rare meteoric ore now known as Wakandan Vibranium. He tried to fuse the Vibranium to the iron alloy numerous times without success. Then one night when he dozed off, some as yet unknown factor entered the process, and permitted the fusion to occur. Upon discovering his success, MacLain poured the molten metal into a disc-shaped mold. The disc, once solidified, has proven to be the most impervious object ever created on Earth. MacLain turned the disc over to the government and it was given to Captain America to use as his shield. Neither MacLain nor anyone else has ever been able to discover what was the x-factor that entered the process, or has been able to fuse Vibranium with another metal. (The unknown iron-Vibranium alloy of which the shield is composed resembles True Adamantium, although Adamantium itself contains no Vibranium,)

Over the following decades MacLain experimented, attempting to duplicate the process that create the shield. Finally, in recent years, he succeeded in developing the process by which the substance known as True Adamantium is created. True Adamantium is nearly as strong as Captain America's shield, and is, for all practical purpose, indestructible. The degree of impermeability varies directly with the thickness of the Adamantium. A direct blow from Thor's hammer, conveyed with the thunder god's full strength, will slightly dent a solid cylinder of True Adamantium. A sufficient mass of Adamantium could survive a direct hit from a nuclear weapon.

Adamantium is created through the mixing of certain metals whose composition is a United States government secret. For eight minutes after the metals are mixed, the Adamantium can be molded into a particular shape as long as it is kept at a temperature of 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit (815.6 Celsius) After this brief period the process of creating Adamantium is completed. The extremely stable molecular structure of the Adamantium prevents it from being molded further, even if the temperature remains high enough to keep it in liquefied form. Only a device celled a Molecular Rearranger can alter the form of hardened Adamantium.

Some thoughts on Light Sabers

According to astrophysicist Yakov Borisovich Zel'dovich, a rapidly spinning conductor will cause the creation of virtual particle radiation at its surface. Particle production is controlled by the charge, angular velocity (of rotation) and radius of this charged conductor.

If we imagine a rod shaped charged field of atomic-scale cross-section, which is superconducting and rotating at near-lightspeed, then charge regulation becomes the control for the particle emission type and quantity. Such charged fields would tend to repel one-another (if they are of like polarity), which means the blades would BLOCK one another. NOTE: a sabre would have to be built carefully and tuned correctly! A badly adjusted sabre would subject its user (and everyone in range) with considerable amounts of gamma radiation!.

The glow of the sabre blade consists of virtual-photons energised by the rotating field into real photons ... virtual light make real! The opaque 'thumb-thick' blade shape may be a swirl of ionised atmospheric particles (the AIR) drawn in and swirling about the core. When you IONISE a gas, you actually have a PLASMA (as it is meant by terrestrial physics) ... and this would glow JUST LIKE A FLUORESCENT TUBE (which is ALSO a plasma!) ... BUT this thumb-thick plasma zone is merely a by-product ... the REAL cutting is performed by minuscule core of the true blade ... leaving almost microscopically thin cuts. (The blade would STILL glow fiercely in even in a vacuum, as it throws off 'virtual photons - made real' ... but the thumb-thick core may not be visible.)

Such a tight rapidly spinning charged superconducting field would rend (tear) through most matter by stripping off electrons which bind atoms together. The ionized matter about the 'cut', as well as field-excited atomic movement in the localized area of the 'cut', would mimic great point-of-contact heat. A wound to a soft-tissue organic being would appear to be a microscopically thin BURN - and such a wound would usually tend to be cauterized (depending on how slowly the blade passed through - a large blood vessel cut too quickly may not be sufficiently 'burned' to cauterize). Dense metals which have loosely bound electrons (which are free to wander about their lattice structure) would be more resistant to cutting. The 'atom stripping' effect would take a little longer to cut through, because such materials have more electrons 'to spare' before their lattice structure becomes 'torn'.

Metals are also more highly conductive, and the localized 'heat' effects are minimized because the heat is carried away and dispersed through the material more quickly. This means that even though with varying amounts of effort, a lightsabre could cut through virtually anything, some materials would offer more resistance to a sabre blade, and therefore we can now understand how Lord Vader's armour was able to ward off most of Luke's glancing blow, saving his life. Mr Albert Forge has gone further, and has postulated a mechanism for the generation of the spinning field which creates the blade described above. Imagine a tiny sphere of unknown composition. Rapidly spin this into a disk by the effect of inducing fields (probably EM). The disk deformed and elongated into a tube, or rod (imagine the sleeve of a shirt being turned inside out) by an axially mounted and powerful electron gun (like the tube of your TV).

The Conclusion

As it turns out, 815.6 Celsius is hot for ordinary materials, but is actually a very cold temperature in plasma physics -- note that the photosphere of the sun (its cold (!) outer edge) has a temperature in the neighborhood of 6000 C. Experimentally, the biggest problem in generating (and sustaining) a plasma at a temperature of thousands or even low ten-thousands of degrees Celsius is that the plasma will be very susceptible to impurity radiation. In other words, rather than getting the atoms/ions in the plasma to collectively radiate as a blackbody, you'll most likely end up with lots of low-charge-state atomic and ion radiation. Consider the discharge in a fluorescent tube, for example -- the electrical discharge in the tube excites a few high-energy emission lines, and those photons then excite the fluorescent material lining the tube, producing a broad-band spectrum we perceive as nearly-white light.

If Adamantium changes state at 815.6 Celsius, I submit that this is no match to any type of plasma device.
 
2005-03-18 10:46:22 AM
You'reWrong

Non-Canon. The shield predates the discovery of adamantium by decades. The confusion is understandable, a lot of people get their marvel trivia from cards and handbooks instead of going to the source.
 
2005-03-18 10:46:45 AM
I can't believe I'm about to comment on this........

As for the "light saber would cut through the entire planet" line, the blade would be activate only as long as the supporting electronics were. As soon as the grip hit something hot enough to melt a wire or two, or got cut, you'd have a well-buried piece of junk.

Man, I am SO ashamed.
 
2005-03-18 10:47:04 AM
"The only two things I can recall being broken or destroyed would be Cap's shield (which has a combination of other metals in it) and Wolverine's skeleton during the Infinity Gauntlet series."

The Scarlett Witch cracked Ultron.

And Schling Flo, Wolverine has indeed cut through the Hulk, issue 338 I believe he rammed his claws through Hulk's chest out the back. The Hulk drops and Wolverine leaves and in the coolest scene ever, he sniffs the air and says you gotta be kidding me, turns around and Smart Hulk is standing there with this shiat eating grin. :-D
 
2005-03-18 10:47:11 AM
I love this thread.
/using RageAgainstTheMachine's precedent makes sense to me
 
2005-03-18 10:47:16 AM
Wolverine vs. Alien:

Wolverine and alien slash each other to ribbons, much of Wolverine's flesh is burned away but regenerates, Alien isn't so lucky. Unless Wolverine's bones (to which adamantium is grafted) are damaged to the point where the poor bastard just falls apart.

/32, not a virgin, just basking in the nerdosity of this thread
 
2005-03-18 10:47:50 AM
Sorry, the correct answer is who gives a shiat.
 
2005-03-18 10:48:11 AM
Here is an arguement I have not seen yet though. Would a light saber be able to cut a Stasis Sword as it is explained by Larry Niven in the RIngworld series.
 
2005-03-18 10:48:12 AM
Hookersville

Just a sec...I've got that same info somewhere in my pocket-protector here...
 
2005-03-18 10:48:20 AM
Nerds of this thread...I salute you!!!! (raises right hand to forehead with index finger and thumb in the shape of an L)
 
2005-03-18 10:48:50 AM
Shrugging Atlas:

Oh, by the way NineInchNader, Wolverine should have never beaten Lobo. That was a travesty.

I thought some of the main fights were rather one-sided. Quicksilver vs. Flash? Oh, come on! Not even funny. However some of the single-panel fights I would very much have liked to have seen: Batman vs. Venom? farking awesome! I'd pay cash money to see that.
 
2005-03-18 10:48:53 AM
Using admantium tipped bullets would be about as useful as using "magic missiles" to attack the darkness.

/red lightsaber camp
//this tread needs voting enabled
 
2005-03-18 10:49:16 AM
On the same note, I am surprised that a geek somewhere hasn't asked who would win in a fight between Wolverine and Ridley Scott's alien...

Adamantium vs. caustic acid blood and spit... hmmm. That is a tough one...


Pfthh... easy... one swipe from Wolverine's claws and off goes the head.. claw might take some damage from the acid but hey it would put a "W" in Wolvermine's corner.
 
2005-03-18 10:50:36 AM
Shrugging Atlas is right about pretty much everything as far as I can see. Now that you mention it I think you're right about the accident of the shield's creation. And it is tougher than adamantium.
 
2005-03-18 10:51:18 AM
Fark.

Cool one minute....exponentially nerdy the next.
 
2005-03-18 10:51:21 AM
Ok, Wolverine Adamantium vs. Star Wars lightsaber:

Lightsabers are tightly controlled energy fields, controlled by a complicated system of crystals. They cut objects through a combination of overheating and forcing the core energy field (with implied zero thickness) against the object. Energy shields and cortosis weave work by interacting with the specific energy field used to confine the energy of the lightsaber, disrupting it to the point of instability and sometimes 'breaking' the blade requiring it to be reformed.

The strength of adamantium comes from its inability to be shaped, broken, or melted after being cooled for the first time. This was simply stated as fact, so it puts the lightsaber at a disadvantage. When a lightsaber attempted to cut adamantine it would simply be immune to the melting or separating power, where as a normal object would be testing the energy required to melt the local material against the capacity of the energy cell powering the lightsaber.

Conclusion: A lightsaber would not be able to cut through adamantine, although it may heat it up quite a bit.
 
2005-03-18 10:51:23 AM
How much heat can adamantium withstand? The lightsabre appears to be at least partially a heat weapon, as it tends to cauterize flesh wounds. Also note the specific TPM scene with QGJ and OWK (pardon the TLAs) melting through Nute Gunray's door on the Trade Federation ship, which seems to suggest that the action consists largely of heat conduction.

Adamantium must have a non-astronomical specific heat, as it can be forged, so therefore with enough heat it can probably be put into the liquid phase, though its melting point and the heat of the lightsabre are unknown quantities.

It takes it time to cut through whatever Gunray's door was, probably an iron or aluminum alloy (assuming that atomic physics is pretty much the same in the Star Wars universe and there aren't any oddball elements, except adamantium for the sake of discussion). My answer, then is this: "Yes, but slowly."

/Nerd
 
2005-03-18 10:51:34 AM
Hookersville:

Then one night when he dozed off, some as yet unknown factor entered the process, and permitted the fusion to occur.

Chemical X anyone?
 
2005-03-18 10:51:38 AM
Oh, by the way NineInchNader, Wolverine should have never beaten Lobo. That was a travesty.

Pissed you off too, huh? Of course, by then Lobo's writing had turned to crap and the entertaining Psychopathic version had turned into yet another lame Sociopath. He simply no longer had a competative fanbase. I blame the change on Dox for castrating him.
 
2005-03-18 10:51:39 AM
I want to grab each and every one of you by the shoulders and violently shake you.
 
2005-03-18 10:52:05 AM
"But in ROTS, supposedly General Grevious' magnaguard droids are armed with staffs which cannot be cut by lightsabers"

I also heard this.
 
2005-03-18 10:52:47 AM
Not to throw another item into the mix, but I was suprised that no one mentioned Thor's hammer in all this. There was an issue about a year & a half ago where Thor dented the crap outta Cap's shield. Then after the fight he pounded it back to normal before leaving. Soooo, what does that do the the lightsabre V Adamantium debate?
 
2005-03-18 10:53:18 AM
"Adamantium is a virtually indestructible man-made steel alloy which does not occur in nature and whose exact chemical composition is a United States government classified secret."

Not completely indestructible, just virtually.

However, "True Adamantium is nearly as strong as Captain America's shield, and is, for all practical purpose, indestructible. The degree of impermeability varies directly with the thickness of the Adamantium. A direct blow from Thor's hammer, conveyed with the thunder god's full strength, will slightly dent a solid cylinder of True Adamantium. A sufficient mass of Adamantium could survive a direct hit from a nuclear weapon."

"The extremely stable molecular structure of the Adamantium prevents it from being molded further, even if the temperature remains high enough to keep it in liquefied form. Only a device celled a Molecular Rearranger can alter the form of hardened Adamantium."

(http://www.marveldirectory.com/misc/adamantium.htm)

GWShenlong05 gave a good answer within 4 posts, though. The mass of Wolverine's Adamantium skeleton is probably not sufficient to rate "for all practical purposes, indestructible."

Wikiknowledge on lightsabers can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_saber#Lightsabers
 
2005-03-18 10:53:50 AM
some of you know far too much about fictional technologies.
 
2005-03-18 10:54:07 AM
It would be physically impossible for this thread to have too many pictures from any of the following movies:

Revenge of the Nerds
Any Star Wars flick
Napoloen Dynamite
Star Trek
Any comic book related movie (Spiderman, FF, etc.)

That is all.
 
2005-03-18 10:54:35 AM
Lurker_John

Then that's like the airplane 'black box' theory. If it's so indestructible, why don't they just build the whole plane out of that stuff?

/credit to appropriate comedian in 3...2...1..
 
2005-03-18 10:55:22 AM
Chemical X anyone?

Oh, god... Power Puff Girls vs. Totaly Spies armed with Light Sabres and Adamantium shields...
 
2005-03-18 10:55:46 AM
Yes a lightsabre can cut through adamantium. A true jedi/sith would be a force to be reconed with in a super human world. A good force choke and your going down.. wolverine wouldn't stand a chance again a higher powered sith/jedi.
 
2005-03-18 10:55:58 AM
For thos who apparently don't know how to relax and have fun go fark yourselves. Oh, I'm gonna be witty and call people nerds and virgins. I'm so smart!
 
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