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2005-03-18 01:30:03 AM  
Submitter is a girl?

Would you like to see my Drizzt Do-urden book collection?
 
2005-03-18 01:30:27 AM  
Can you cut food with a tube after I eat you?
 
2005-03-18 01:32:50 AM  
Yes.
 
2005-03-18 01:35:23 AM  
Adamantium cannot be penetrated by any other solid object.

However, a light-saber is not exactly solid. It is a grouping of accelerated particles. It doesn't so much cut as it simultaneously separates and overheats the component molecules of any object it comes into contact with.

So the answer is yes.
 
2005-03-18 01:40:49 AM  
Yes, for all the reasons as spoken by my geeky overlord GWS.
 
2005-03-18 01:40:52 AM  
GWShenlong05: So the answer is yes.

Nerd alert! How sexy!!
 
2005-03-18 01:42:26 AM  
MelLuvsDMB: Nerd alert! How sexy!!

*cough*

I mean...

What kinda lame question is this?! F*ck off, nerd-boys! I wanna see some titties! Where tha sexy TFettes at?
 
2005-03-18 01:45:15 AM  
Owned!
 
2005-03-18 01:45:21 AM  
MelLuvsDMB: Nerd alert! How sexy!!

Hey there, good looking.

*quickly puts on deodorant*

Want to go out tonight?
 
2005-03-18 01:47:13 AM  
*quickly puts on deodorant*

Very smooth. I almost didn't even notice.
 
2005-03-18 01:47:38 AM  
GWShenlong05:

It doesn't so much cut as it simultaneously separates and overheats the component molecules of any object it comes into contact with.

You make it sound like a light saber could heat through any material enough hot enough to melt it, we all know this is not the case.
 
2005-03-18 01:48:18 AM  
SurgeonDryHog: Very smooth. I almost didn't even notice.

Do you like Elton John?
 
2005-03-18 01:51:06 AM  
Custom5:

You make it sound like a light saber could heat through any material enough hot enough to melt it, we all know this is not the case.

I remember reading that if a light saber were to fall end-over-end, it would continue falling through an entire planet, unaffected by friction. Now I know that this might be an exaggeration, but I'm sure that a light saber would melt through nearly any solid object.

Where have you found evidence to the contrary?
 
2005-03-18 01:55:27 AM  
GWShenlong05: Where have you found evidence to the contrary?

There are weapons used in the Star Wars universe to protect things from the light saber's parallel plasma energy beam, one of which was shown in the Clone Wars cartoon by a robohenchman. I'm sure they developed something in the movies but I don't recall every seeing anything that a light saber couldn't eventually destroy.
 
2005-03-18 01:59:00 AM  
oh

my

god
 
2005-03-18 01:59:27 AM  
Custom5:

but I don't recall every seeing anything that a light saber couldn't eventually destroy.

Dude, a lightsaber couldn't destroy Elvis. The King is forever, in fact Elvis is in every single one of us. He's everywhere...he's everybody, he's still the king.

Man, oh man, what I want you to see, is that the big "E" is inside of you and me.
 
2005-03-18 01:59:49 AM  
Custom5:

I'm sure they developed something in the movies but I don't recall every seeing anything that a light saber couldn't eventually destroy.

Ah, gotcha. I'm only going by the movies, here. I haven't gotten into the books or other spin-off properties. There are limits to my geekiness.
 
2005-03-18 02:00:17 AM  
Cortosis ores, energy shields and Mandalorian iron are the names I found for such things on the wikipedia page just now.
 
2005-03-18 02:01:38 AM  
Could either cut through Superman?
 
2005-03-18 02:02:22 AM  
GWShenlong05:

Adamantium cannot be penetrated by any other solid object.

However, a light-saber is not exactly solid. It is a grouping of accelerated particles. It doesn't so much cut as it simultaneously separates and overheats the component molecules of any object it comes into contact with.

So the answer is yes.


Wow.

Just... wow.
 
2005-03-18 02:03:53 AM  
ThatDevGuy: Wow.

Just... wow.


AAAAAAAACK!

I did not post these comments!

(Waves hand)

This is not the TotalFarker you are looking for.
 
2005-03-18 02:04:08 AM  
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A lightsaber would so pwn Adam Ant! That goody two shoes...
 
2005-03-18 02:04:28 AM  
Wow, I thought this thread had died....

GWShenlong05: Where have you found evidence to the contrary?

Oh yeah baby!! That sexy talk is making me soooooo hot!

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Dimensiation: *quickly puts on deodorant*

Make sure you get those deodorant balls caught in your armpit hair. I love those! *purrrr*
 
2005-03-18 02:05:07 AM  
GWShenlong05:

I did not post these comments!

(Waves hand)

This is not the TotalFarker you are looking for.


You are so toast. I'm ruining your cred from now on.
 
2005-03-18 02:05:12 AM  
never odd or even: Could either cut through Superman?

I thought we were already off this "cutting" topic..

But I would have to say it could probably hurt him and with kryptonite near-by it could kill him quite easily.
 
2005-03-18 02:08:32 AM  
Dude maybe if Superman was weakened by the kryptonite first, then you could kill him with the light saber.
 
2005-03-18 02:08:39 AM  
never odd or even: Could either cut through Superman?

Well that would depend on the source of Superman's matter-deflecting power, as evidenced by his ability to withstand bullets. This, however, can be accomplished by any sufficiently hard material or by an energy field.

If the bullets actually touch Superman's chest, then yes, he could be killed by both an adamantium bullet (and/or claw) or a lightsabre. He is constructed of matter like the rest of us, but merely has superhuman abilities due to being an alien. If adamantium cannot be destroyed by any known matter, then Superman's molecules, however dense, would not deflect the bullet.

If Superman projects some sort of thin energy field around his body which prevents them from touching his chest, the adamantium would still be deflected but the light sabre might slice through it. That would depend on the particle interactions between the light sabre and the energy field in question. Most known energy fields would simply redirect the light sabre's particles around Superman. For instance, you would see the sabre touch him and then spread out behind his back. The wielder might actually be affected by some of those particles deflected back at him.

/also a nerd
 
2005-03-18 02:09:53 AM  
Lightsaber is one word, and it would own that adamantium in a matter of seconds, if not instantanious.

Superman could logically deflect the lightsaber blade for a matter of minutes by way of his heat vision.

/also a Geek girl.
 
2005-03-18 02:11:16 AM  
tonkin:

Dude maybe if Superman was weakened by the kryptonite first, then you could kill him with the light saber.

An interesting point. That Superman's lack of strength as a result of kryptonite poisoning means he can be killed or restrained by mundane objects would imply that the case is, in fact, a small consciously-maintained energy field around his body. This is similar to the Green Lantern.

Ok I'm done. Seriously. Don't laugh at me.
 
2005-03-18 02:11:28 AM  
NEEEERRRRRRDDDDDDSSSS!
 
2005-03-18 02:11:30 AM  
ThatDevGuy:

If Superman projects some sort of thin energy field around his body which prevents them from touching his chest, the adamantium would still be deflected but the light sabre might slice through it. That would depend on the particle interactions between the light sabre and the energy field in question

NERRRRRRD!!

Thanks for taking the heat off of me
 
2005-03-18 02:11:43 AM  
ThatDevGuy:

If adamantium cannot be destroyed by any known matter, then Superman's molecules, however dense, would not deflect the bullet.

He could deflect it, doesn't mean he's going to destroy it.
The speed of the adamantium bullet would actually have to reach a speed much, much faster than that of a normal bullet to actually have any real effect.
 
2005-03-18 02:13:37 AM  
Custom5:

The speed of the adamantium bullet would actually have to reach a speed much, much faster than that of a normal bullet to actually have any real effect.

Right. Adamantium is supposed to be incredibly light, right? Kinetic energy and all.

Maybe an adamantium rail gun. That would imply that adamantium could be manipulated by magnetic forces, though, which I'm pretty sure Magneto has used on Wolverine in one of the two movies. Rail guns work by magnetically accelerating the projectile in an incredibly short period of time. Thus, an adamantium rail gun would theoretically be possible.
 
2005-03-18 02:14:33 AM  
I need to leave this thread. This nerdy talk is too much for one woman to take, especially when it's coming from GWShenlong05, ThatDevGuy, and Dimensiation!

"No, no, it'sa too sexy!!"

*off to find Mr. Buzzy*
 
2005-03-18 02:15:17 AM  
Aw, Mel, we were just getting started! I even turned it to electromagnetism for you!
 
2005-03-18 02:16:33 AM  
ThatDevGuy: I even turned it to electromagnetism for you!

Oh.My.God! I think that just sent me over the edge.....
 
2005-03-18 02:16:34 AM  
MelLuvsDMB: *off to find Mr. Buzzy*

Mwahahahahahaha! My plans are coming to fruitition.
 
2005-03-18 02:18:28 AM  
Unubtainium. Nothing can affect Unubtainium.

/RPG nerd.
 
2005-03-18 02:19:23 AM  
MelLuvsDMB: Oh.My.God! I think that just sent me over the edge.....

Hey, you never IMed me. I had to do SOMETHING to seduce you...

(Psst ... I'll electrify your body using Coulomb's law!)
 
2005-03-18 02:22:18 AM  
ThatDevGuy: (Psst ... I'll electrify your body using Coulomb's law!)

Holy shiat, I don't even know what that means, but I LIKE it!

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AFeastOfMaggots: Unubtainium. Nothing can affect Unubtainium.

/RPG nerd.


You boys netter watch out! Looks like another hotty just entered the room!
 
2005-03-18 02:22:35 AM  
MelLuvsDMB: *off to find Mr. Buzzy*

(Snicker)

ThatDevGuy:

Aw, Mel, we were just getting started! I even turned it to electromagnetism for you!

Now that I think about it, I still think that Superman could turn away an adamantium bullet. Even fired by a rail gun.

Think about it this way. The component molecules of two objects do not need to be destroyed upon collision of said objects. The molecular composition would have to be warped if one of those objects loses its form, but a loss of form (e.g. the bullet becoming "mushroomed) is not necessarily going to happen in a collision between that bullet and Superman's skin.

Now, if the bullet hit his skin and both the bullet and his skin kept their shape, energy would have to be released by the collision somehow. In a collision between two objects, those energy by-products are sound, light and heat.

So, with your theoretical rail gun situation, the bullet's collision could cause both a momentary flash of intense heat and light, followed by the mother of all Ka-POWs. But Superman's skin wouldn't necessarily be punctured.
 
2005-03-18 02:22:56 AM  
ThatDevGuy: Thus, an adamantium rail gun would theoretically be possible.

But would it puncture Superman, what I mean is his speed would allow him to dodge it, if that's not the case then his speed would also probably be the answer as to why it would not puncture him, wouldn't his particles be accelerated or something that would help deflect the bullet?

And if the bullet did manage to cut through him, he'd heal faster than the fastest healing object of healer, so Adamantium is probably out for killing him, unless you've got a hell of a lot to waste.
 
2005-03-18 02:24:46 AM  
GWShenlong05:

So, with your theoretical rail gun situation, the bullet's collision could cause both a momentary flash of intense heat and light, followed by the mother of all Ka-POWs. But Superman's skin wouldn't necessarily be punctured.

I did not see this before posting what I just did, I'm feeling very Bizarro smart right now.
 
2005-03-18 02:25:08 AM  
What about upsidaisium? That's some anti-gravity material from Rocky and Bullwinkle. Not only am a nerd, but I watch old cartoons.

GWShenlong05:

So, with your theoretical rail gun situation, the bullet's collision could cause both a momentary flash of intense heat and light, followed by the mother of all Ka-POWs. But Superman's skin wouldn't necessarily be punctured.

Very true. We'd have to hone the point of the hypothetical bullet to the size of a Superman skin cell, so it would work its way between components of his flesh, and work out the aerodynamics of the rest so that the air resistance did not deform the bullet in transit.
 
2005-03-18 02:26:14 AM  
Custom5:

I did not see this before posting what I just did, I'm feeling very Bizarro smart right now.

Isn't "Bizarro" from Superman to begin with?
 
2005-03-18 02:27:54 AM  
ThatDevGuy:

work out the aerodynamics of the rest so that the air resistance did not deform the bullet in transit

That layer of enery isn't looking so bad now.
 
2005-03-18 02:28:48 AM  
ThatDevGuy: Isn't "Bizarro" from Superman to begin with?

Yes, I was stating that I felt stupid.
 
2005-03-18 02:29:06 AM  
Plus, wouldn't they have had to cut the adamantium somehow in order to shape it or whatnot to fit on Wolverines bones? If they had the tech in the US army to do that, well, then, I think a Lightsaber would cut right through it.
 
2005-03-18 02:29:27 AM  
Dimensiation: NEEEERRRRRRDDDDDDSSSS!

It needed to be restated.
 
2005-03-18 02:29:51 AM  
mrjared:

Plus, wouldn't they have had to cut the adamantium somehow in order to shape it or whatnot to fit on Wolverines bones? If they had the tech in the US army to do that, well, then, I think a Lightsaber would cut right through it.

They form it while it's still liquid. When it cools and hardens, it cannot be damaged in any way.
 
2005-03-18 02:32:18 AM  
mrjared:

Plus, wouldn't they have had to cut the adamantium somehow in order to shape it or whatnot to fit on Wolverines bones?

Yes, they had to melt it though, i'm not exactly sure how they got it to such a high melting point, were able to find something to hold the liquid so that they could create the structure and allow it to cool, but apparently they did, so yes you're probably right there, unless of course if once cooled Adamantium couldn't be melted ever again.

Ah, fictional elements.
 
2005-03-18 02:32:28 AM  
ThatDevGuy:

Very true. We'd have to hone the point of the hypothetical bullet to the size of a Superman skin cell, so it would work its way between components of his flesh,

Not possible, I don't think. When Superman died, the Army attempted to autopsy him, and it wasn't possible, because his skin kept turning away the needles. I'm sure the Army would have developed needles for just such an occasion, and they still failed in clinical trial.

Skin isn't one thin layer with the cells lined up next to each other perfectly; it's like a micro-chain mail, which overlaps and wrinkles. Even if that bullet made its way past two individual cells, it would be turned away by the grouping of cells behind it. The bullet could not actually penetrate the cells. Remember, molecules of different objects do not merge, because they have a repellent force. Even his skin cells would be bulletproof.

and work out the aerodynamics of the rest so that the air resistance did not deform the bullet in transit.

Adamantium cannot be deformed by transit. Collision with other particles in the air would result in destruction of those particles, and the bullet would be transferred from point A to point B with perfect retention of its properties.

Remember Old School? When Frank blacks out and debates James Carville? That's kinda what happens to me when I talk geeky.
 
2005-03-18 02:32:50 AM  
Custom5: unless of course if once cooled Adamantium couldn't be melted ever again

I'm pretty sure that's how it works...
 
2005-03-18 02:33:37 AM  
GWShenlong05

Touche, sir.
 
2005-03-18 02:34:50 AM  
ThatDevGuy: I'm pretty sure that's how it works...

Remember that Bizarro thing I said earlier, it applies here too. Dang posting after someone says exactly the same thing and not knowing until too late.
 
2005-03-18 02:37:11 AM  
GWShenlong05:

Adamantium cannot be deformed by transit. Collision with other particles in the air would result in destruction of those particles, and the bullet would be transferred from point A to point B with perfect retention of its properties.

An Adamantium bullet as small as Superman's cells couldn't exactly travel very far anyway, gravity and the like.
 
2005-03-18 02:38:07 AM  
Old School? When Frank blacks out and debates James Carville

That was NOT debate. Not even close.

/debate nerd.
 
2005-03-18 02:40:28 AM  
An Adamantium bullet

if all this stuff is true about the adamantium destroying particles and whatnot, how would one fire an adamantium bullet? I would think then that the hammer would just get farked when in struck the bullet. I don't know enough about guns to figure that out.
 
2005-03-18 02:43:47 AM  
I remember reading that if a light saber were to fall end-over-end, it would continue falling through an entire planet, unaffected by friction.

Yeah, but it took em what, a few minutes just to cut through a metal door. Imagine that happening with rock (higher melting point). Which brings us to the following questions.

1) Just how long would it take for a lightsabre to melt its way through an entire planet.

2) How deep into the planet can the sabre go before the heat becomes too great and destroys the hilt and the mechanics contained within.
 
2005-03-18 02:43:57 AM  
mrjared: I would think then that the hammer would just get farked when in struck the bullet.

There was a rail gun idea introduced, it works for know, but I doubt that the hammer would get destroyed.
 
2005-03-18 02:45:25 AM  
mrjared:

I would think then that the hammer would just get farked when in struck the bullet. I don't know enough about guns to figure that out.

ThatDevGuy postulated that the bullet would be fired by a rail gun, which uses high-powered magnets to fire (project?) the bullets at an extremely high velocity, rather than gunpowder.

Custom5:

An Adamantium bullet as small as Superman's cells couldn't exactly travel very far anyway, gravity and the like.

He only said that the point of the bullet would be honed small enough to wedge between two cells. Still wouldn't penetrate the skin.

With that, I'm off to bed.
 
2005-03-18 02:48:01 AM  
Lightsabers ignore the hardness of any material when attacking an object. Additionally, lightsabers ignore the Damage Reduction of manufactured armor. Energy shields, cortosis weave, and other lightsabers are the only things that can reliably be used to block or deflect a lightsaber strike.

So, short answer, yes.
 
2005-03-18 02:52:22 AM  
lordargent:

1) Just how long would it take for a lightsabre to melt its way through an entire planet.

2) How deep into the planet can the sabre go before the heat becomes too great and destroys the hilt and the mechanics contained within.


1. If the handle wasn't destroyed it would probably take more than a few days, a Death Star would be much more efficient.

2. If the rock has a higher melting point than the metal handle then it probably wouldn't take too long before the cell is destroyed and the crystal is rendered useless as a planet destroying object.
 
2005-03-18 02:52:51 AM  
I am going to go all geeky for a minute.

In the last series of books that I read, some alien species had come through from another universe, or somewhere that the Republic could not explore.

Their warriors had living staffs that had several abilities. One was to be able to block lightsabers.

These aliens also could not be felt by the force. They kicked serious Jedi ass.

Continue your geekdom.
 
2005-03-18 02:54:53 AM  
Dimensiation: These aliens also could not be felt by the force. They kicked serious Jedi ass.

Didn't they wage a giant war killing Anakin, Luke's son?
 
2005-03-18 02:58:55 AM  
Custom5: Didn't they wage a giant war killing Anakin, Luke's son?

I don't know. I've only read one or two, and haven't followed it since 4 years ago or so.

Chewie died to save Han's son Anakin.

They kill tons of people, and destroy some planets. The Republic had no idea what to do when I last read.
 
2005-03-18 03:01:38 AM  
...that if a light saber were to fall end-over-end, it would continue falling through an entire planet, unaffected by friction.

Lightsabers, are activated by the jedi and his manipulation of the force and metachlorians within himself. When a lightsaber is separated from it's jedi knight, it becomes deactivated until reunited with said knight. (usually by using telekinetic force.)

If a light saber were to fall end-over-end, it would hit the floor, and roll into a corner, just slightly out of reach of the jedi knight.
 
2005-03-18 03:06:26 AM  
KleanKutKid:

Lightsabers, are activated by the jedi and his manipulation of the force and metachlorians within himself. When a lightsaber is separated from it's jedi knight, it becomes deactivated until reunited with said knight. (usually by using telekinetic force.)

Light sabers aren't activated by the force, they actually use buttons, it is possible to control a saber by the force, but the force isn't a contributing factor. If it was Han Solo wouldn't have been able to use it while Luke was knocked out if I can correctly remember.
 
2005-03-18 03:09:22 AM  
crap.
forgot that scene.

/what the hell was Han doing with light saber? That's like giving a chimpanzee a revolver.
 
2005-03-18 03:09:35 AM  
KleanKutKid:

Lightsabers, are activated by the jedi and his manipulation of the force and metachlorians within himself.

According to my geek boyfriend:

Metacholorians have nothing to do with lightsabers. Han Solo activated Luke's lightsaber by pressing a button on the saber to slice open the Taun-taun(sp?) to keep Luke warm on the planet Hoth.

Vader, used the force to keep the button on the lightsaber depressed when he threw it at Luke on the gangway. Then he pressed the button again when he retreived it.
 
2005-03-18 03:11:22 AM  
KleanKutKid
metachlorians

Bzzzzt! Disqualified!

The above posts address the lightsaber part of your post, and you should be kicked out for referencing that metachlorian crap in an argument about Star Wars.

/now that is a geeky comment
 
2005-03-18 03:33:52 AM  
It seems to me, ages and ages ago, when my friends (who, though I was a nerd, were so much more nerdier than I,) played the Star Wars RPG, one of them explained to me that while someone who cannot use the force (IE Han Solo) can technically use a lightsaber, the user must be force-sensitive to effectivly use it in combat. The reasoning was that the blade, being made of accelerated particles, was weightless, so you wouldn't have a lot of sense of movement in swinging it. So it took an awareness of the Force to know where the blade was at all times, to avoid lopping of one's head, arms, or whatever.

It's completely useless to the conversation at hand, but it's the one thing I remember from that time, and at the time I thought it was kind of a neat idea.

Also, thanks for bringing up Cortosis weave. I was trying to remember what it was called. when I played Knights of the old Republic I was irked that I could block a lightsaber with a metal sword until my buddy explained it to me.

(Yes, I am a geek, I'm just not as big a geek as some.)
 
2005-03-18 09:20:55 AM  
Would you like to see my Drizzt Do-urden book collection?


can someone please explain to me the significance of Drizzt Do-urden?
 
2005-03-18 09:23:09 AM  
captain kirk would find a way to win
 
2005-03-18 09:25:58 AM  
Can the monorail out run the Flash?
Yes.
Can Superman outrun the Flash?
Sure why not...

/random Simpsons quote
 
2005-03-18 09:26:51 AM  
Adamantium? I'm guessing this is an element named after Adam Ant?
 
2005-03-18 09:27:04 AM  
Short answer - wolverine would be shish kabob
 
2005-03-18 09:27:42 AM  
What about Administranium? "Slows down chemical reactions; a reaction normally complete in less than a second will take several days in its presence."

Or Atmospherium? It has powers that have yet to be discoverd by Science!
 
2005-03-18 09:27:57 AM  
I think the real question is, who would win in a fight between Batman and a lightsaber?
 
2005-03-18 09:28:33 AM  
The answer is no.

Anything in the Marvel Univ. that is made of adamantium (Wolverine's skeleton, Cyber's skin, Bullseye's spine, Ultron itself, Cap America's shield) is pretty much indestructable. The only two things I can recall being broken or destroyed would be Cap's shield (which has a combination of other metals in it) and Wolverine's skeleton during the Infinity Gauntlet series.
 
2005-03-18 09:29:14 AM  
For the record, Superman can move very fast. Say a random Jedi on one side and an expert marksman with an adamantium bullet loaded rifle. So batman told him that jedi can use mental powers, so to be careful, so superman just flies at ungodly speed towards the jedi (spinning the earth on it's axis type of speed). Force powers or not, even from a couple of hundred feet, the jedi has no chance to react and Superman will simply rip his head off. Then just as fast, Superman could hurl the Jedi's head at the marksman so fast that it would burst into flames on the way there and the burning jedi skull would fly into the marksman at such devastating speed, it would kill him instantly. So even if Adamantium and a lightsaber could penetrate Superman's skin, we'll never really know. Now, if you gave a lightsaber to Flash...
 
2005-03-18 09:30:06 AM  
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2005-03-18 09:30:44 AM  
rogue's hiney would kill a man or maybe a man would kill for rogue's hiney
/obvious
 
2005-03-18 09:30:45 AM  
Ah ha ha ha!!

You guys are fun! :D
 
2005-03-18 09:31:31 AM  
Dimensiation [TotalFark]

Custom5: Didn't they wage a giant war killing Anakin, Luke's son?

I don't know. I've only read one or two, and haven't followed it since 4 years ago or so.

Chewie died to save Han's son Anakin.

They kill tons of people, and destroy some planets. The Republic had no idea what to do when I last read.


After something like 19 long, drawn out books, they eventually figured out a way to defeat them, at first by figuring out a bio-engineered retrovirus that the jedi put the kaibosh on for being unethical, after which they realized they were a relation to a planet that was endowed with force abilities, and also the ability to travel independantly throughout their galazy. They tracked down the planet, eventually fought the aliens to a standstill,and offered them a truce if they stayed on that planet. LAME LAME LAME ending to a long winded seemingly endless series if you ask me.
 
2005-03-18 09:31:44 AM  
i thought adamantium couldn't be melted, once it harded
so a lightsaber could go thru it (the engery i mean of it) .. but it wouldn't hurt the metal any.. so if you had adamantium armour.. u'd still die.. but your lightsaber weilding assasain could then pick up your armor and it would be fine.. if not slighty hot

// whoa.. i dunno where that came from
 
2005-03-18 09:31:58 AM  
Do you remember how long it takes to slice through blast doors? I expect that a lightsaber could cut through admantium, but it would take a long time - like the age of the universe long.
 
2005-03-18 09:32:53 AM  
I'd say if the adimantium is coated with cortosis, the light saber wouldn't be able to penetrate it.
 
2005-03-18 09:33:28 AM  
Of course you could kill Superman W a lightsaber, simply modify the blade W a kryptonite crystal at a workbench and youd cut him to ribbons.

Bask in my geekiness for incorporating Game, comic, and SW geekiness all in one post.
 
2005-03-18 09:33:50 AM  
Damn straight it can. Obi-wan could take Wolverine any day.
 
2005-03-18 09:33:56 AM  
NERDS!
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/still loving the thread...
 
2005-03-18 09:34:00 AM  
Who would win in a fight, a hurricane, or Mike Ditka?

Keep in mind the hurricane's name is Ditka.

[image from snl.jt.org too old to be available]
 
2005-03-18 09:34:42 AM  
Light sabers can't cut through light sabers. Why is that?
 
2005-03-18 09:34:46 AM  
Nonsense, CatholicSamurai, what about when Magneto extracted the adamantium from Wolverine's skeleton? That was a pretty major change to the metal itself (though one could argue that the indiviual particals were simply ripped out through W's pores, I suppose).

Personally, I don't think a sabre could cut through true adamantium, though I'm sure it'd make a mess of the secondary stuff. The REAL question, though, is what it would do vs. Wakandan Vibranium.

I say a light sabre would be powerless against that stuff.
 
2005-03-18 09:35:00 AM  
what is the lightsaber handle made out of? am i the only one wondering this?
 
2005-03-18 09:35:41 AM  
Why the hell can't I meet girls like the ones in this thread in real life?

Anyway, I would say no, since a lightsaber can't cut through the aformentioned "cortosis" and admantium is supposed to be the hardest substance in the universe. Then again, cortosis is an EU (expanded universe, meaning not in the actual films) and therefore doesn't really exist. Everything in the films does. Or did. Thank you.
 
2005-03-18 09:35:59 AM  
CatholicSamurai

Anything in the Marvel Univ. that is made of adamantium (Wolverine's skeleton, Cyber's skin, Bullseye's spine, Ultron itself, Cap America's shield) is pretty much indestructable.


Captain America's shield is actually not made of Adamantium. It is composed of Vibranium which is Adamantium's energy absorbing cousin. Since both metals were invented by Myron McClain, they are often mistaken for one another.

/Kurt Busiek has nothing on THIS geek
 
2005-03-18 09:36:21 AM  
Yes. Lightsabers are some sort of tight, non-thermal parallel beam of plasma energy. That Plama energy causes what ever it touches to heat up and melt (or if like skin, vaporize)

Some Starwars Geek Lore:
Force is only used at the end of construction. Once all the pieces are assembled, the Jedi uses the Force to meld them on a molecular or lower level, permitting unheard-of energy efficiency. This efficiency is what allows the blades to remain lit and active for long periods of time. The only real energy drain is when the blade comes into contact with something.
 
2005-03-18 09:36:22 AM  
NineInchNader:

Nonsense, CatholicSamurai, what about when Magneto extracted the adamantium from Wolverine's skeleton? That was a pretty major change to the metal itself (though one could argue that the indiviual particals were simply ripped out through W's pores, I suppose).

Dude, Magneto can control freaking magnetism! Of course he could rip it out, but it didnt slide out, it just was forced out because he controls the very essence of what keeps it together.
 
2005-03-18 09:36:39 AM  
what if the light saber had a kryptonite crytal?

what about a kryptonite tipped adamantium bullet?
 
2005-03-18 09:37:50 AM  
This thread is certainly the pinnacle of the internet, what it's nerdy architects had one day envisioned. God bless America.

*sheds tear*
 
2005-03-18 09:38:33 AM  
Goku can block both adamantium and lightsabre, and kill yoda with his spirit bomb

/anime fans
 
2005-03-18 09:38:34 AM  
The Saint of Killers:

Captain America's shield is actually not made of Adamantium. It is composed of Vibranium which is Adamantium's energy absorbing cousin. Since both metals were invented by Myron McClain, they are often mistaken for one another.


It has touch traces of adamantium in it. That's what makes it indesructuable, along with the Vibranium that allows it to absorb shocks.

/Proud owner of a 1991 Marvel card set with the Cap. America's Shield weapon card, fools.
 
2005-03-18 09:38:56 AM  
Is there some Anakin vs. Wolverine spinoff that I don't know about?
 
2005-03-18 09:39:10 AM  
Back to the subject of an adamantium bullet, I think the bullet could peirce supermans skill if you could get enough force behind it. However I don't think that you could. It isn't lack of bullet hardness so much as lack of force behind the bullets that makes Superman bulletproof.

As to a lightsaber cutting adamantium the problem is that it can't be melted. Light sabers essentially melt whatever the beam comes in contact with. The question is can adamantion not be melted of can it simply not be melted at any practicle temperature. Also howcome light sabers don't create unbearable heat as a side effect?

-- Richard Zeien
 
2005-03-18 09:39:32 AM  
For the sake of balance in any theoretical standoff, I'd treat adamantium as a cortosis weave.
 
2005-03-18 09:40:17 AM  
timtoews2000 -

Drizzt is 5'4" Drow (or dark elf). He is an expert at swordplay and a good guy. He once flipped a bunch of coins into the air and caught them on his fingertips. Such is his badassness. Drow are an evil branch of dark skinned elves that live underground under Matriarchal rule worshipping Lloth, a half spider/half woman deity. They like to raid the surface, cut the hands of off gnomes, and kill each other. Drizzt was raised by a bunch of evil biatches who always wanted to kill him or boss him around or whip him with their snakes. His mother almost sacrificed him to the spider queen at birth, but his brother died and he was spared. His dad was the weapons master and woman were scared of him and respected him because he wielded a whip and a sword and would whip the tongues out of people in combat. He was THAT good. He taught Drizzt to be a good guy and how to kill women with swords. His dad was murdered and he escaped to the surface only to return years later to kill his family (or something). In the process, he met a gnome with no hands, a large monster called Peck, a dwarf and his human daughter, a 7 foot barbarian, and a blind archer. Oh and he has a pet black panther who lives in a little figurine.

These books seemed so much cooler 10 years or so ago.
 
2005-03-18 09:40:19 AM  
timtoews2000

can someone please explain to me the significance of Drizzt Do-urden?

He's a character from a D&D world called "Forgotten Realms." The submitter most likely referenced him to show his (the submitters) relative level of nerdliness.
 
2005-03-18 09:40:41 AM  
What if we are all wrong, and it is the lightsaber's sound that does the damage...
 
2005-03-18 09:40:45 AM  
Listen, i'm not gunna bother reading all of this, but in Ep 1, Qui gon tried cuuting thru a door and met with alot of resistnace, ie: it took a long time to cut it, as it was to hard to melt. now adamantine cannot be re-melted, so.. light sabres can't cut it.

also, in knights of the old republic, they introduced swords with a crossant weave, or somthing, that stops light sabres form cutting thru them.
 
2005-03-18 09:41:29 AM  
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/captainamerica.htm
 
2005-03-18 09:41:34 AM  
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Unavailable for comment?
 
2005-03-18 09:42:06 AM  
Dude, Magneto can control freaking magnetism! Of course he could rip it out, but it didnt slide out, it just was forced out because he controls the very essence of what keeps it together.

Which leads me to ask... Adamantium is ferrous? Wolverine is gonna rust, or WTF?
 
2005-03-18 09:42:15 AM  
custom5 - Didn't they wage a giant war killing Anakin, Luke's son?

Anakin was Han and Leia's third son, and he died in the destruction of a nest of voxyn, which were big lizard hunting animals designed by the Vong which could track Jedi using the Force. They also spat acid, and had horrible diseases to infect their prey with in their footpads.

Luke and Mara's son is Ben, and Ben hasn't done anything but be a baby so far, hiding out in the Maw cluster while dad and mom took care of whippin Vong ass.
 
2005-03-18 09:42:20 AM  
AFeastOfMaggots:

Unubtainium. Nothing can affect Unubtainium.

Unobtainium. Yeesh.
 
2005-03-18 09:42:25 AM  
I want a black lightsaber.
 
2005-03-18 09:42:55 AM  
For the ultimate nerdly answer, and hoping it hasn't already been said....

"Yes, unless the adamantium has cortosis weave."


DAMN YOU, Lakedaimonios, DAAAAAMN YOOOOU! :p

(Yes, I know the platypus essentially said it first..)
 
2005-03-18 09:42:57 AM  
Worst. Thread. Ever.

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2005-03-18 09:43:10 AM  
This is the most awesome discussion topic ever.
 
2005-03-18 09:43:31 AM  
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2005-03-18 09:45:18 AM  
What about neutronium?
 
2005-03-18 09:45:24 AM  
I know, I'm a giant dork to even respond to this, but here it goes: a yellow light saber, made from the appropriate Kyber Crystal, can cut through absolutely anything, even another light saber
 
2005-03-18 09:45:50 AM  
I am in awe of the geekdom contained within this thread.

It's as if at any moment the entire thread itself is going to collapse from the massive density of geekness and turn into a giant sucking black hole of nerdom.

Quick, to the event horizon if you have time!
 
2005-03-18 09:45:51 AM  
Mr Miracle
Unless Captain Picard is around, in which cause Captain Kirk automatically selflessly sacrifices himself for the good of the universe.
 
2005-03-18 09:46:14 AM  
xenophon10k
Adamantium? I'm guessing this is an element named after Adam Ant?


That is some seriously funny shiat. Anyone care to PS some metal structure so that it looks made entirely from Adam Ant?

/don't drink, don't smoke, what do ya do?
 
2005-03-18 09:46:34 AM  
rczeien

Also howcome light sabers don't create unbearable heat as a side effect?

Because George Lucas said so.
 
2005-03-18 09:46:51 AM  

QUESTION NEEDS CLARIFICATION

Are we talking "Captain America's shield"-style adamantium (technically and adamantium/vibranium alloy) or the kind fused to Wolverine's bones (amongst others)?

/breathing through mouth

 
2005-03-18 09:47:07 AM  
Megganlomaniac:
You have been bookmarked... :P
 
2005-03-18 09:47:13 AM  
onew0rd & yellowbeard

muchas gracias.
 
2005-03-18 09:47:23 AM  
IIRC, adamantium is able to penetrate the Hulk's skin, but only if the person doing the penetration has the requisite strength.

Wolverine, however, did not have the requisite strength to pierce the Hulk's skin with his claws.

So, what we need to do is give Wolverine a light saber. If he is able to penetrate the Hulk's skin with the light saber, then the light saber should be able to cut through adamantium.

/bad logic
//excellent geekiness :)
 
2005-03-18 09:47:59 AM  
Submitter is useless without pictures.
 
2005-03-18 09:48:20 AM  
Captain America's shield isn't pure adamantium..it's a Vibranium/Adamantium alloy..

and what about Vibranium anyways? If it has the vibration dampening properties, wouldnt that stop the molecules from being expanded by the lightsaber? When Cappy was just "The Captain" he had a replacement shield mad out of the stuff and it allowed him to survive a fall from an airplane..

/just saying..Don't Forget the Vibranium..
 
2005-03-18 09:48:26 AM  
2005-03-18 02:08:39 AM ThatDevGuy

never odd or even: Could either cut through Superman?

Well that would depend on the source of Superman's matter-deflecting power, as evidenced by his ability to withstand bullets. This, however, can be accomplished by any sufficiently hard material or by an energy field.

If the bullets actually touch Superman's chest, then yes, he could be killed by both an adamantium bullet (and/or claw) or a lightsabre. He is constructed of matter like the rest of us, but merely has superhuman abilities due to being an alien. If adamantium cannot be destroyed by any known matter, then Superman's molecules, however dense, would not deflect the bullet.

If Superman projects some sort of thin energy field around his body which prevents them from touching his chest, the adamantium would still be deflected but the light sabre might slice through it. That would depend on the particle interactions between the light sabre and the energy field in question. Most known energy fields would simply redirect the light sabre's particles around Superman. For instance, you would see the sabre touch him and then spread out behind his back. The wielder might actually be affected by some of those particles deflected back at him.

/also a nerd


Those of us of a certain age know that Superman, while not affected by bullets, could be killed by a thrown gun. So, if the adamantium bullets failed to do the trick, throwing the gun from which the bullets were fired would easily do him in.

/remembers George Reeves ducking
 
2005-03-18 09:48:47 AM  
I think I hear the SA goons snickering in the background
 
2005-03-18 09:49:30 AM  
Another question -- who would win in a fight... Prince Vegeta or Lobo?

Since Lobo has already had his ass handed to him by Wolverine, I'd give this one to Vegeta.
 
2005-03-18 09:50:04 AM  
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NEEEEEEEEEERDS!!!!!

/got nuttin
 
2005-03-18 09:50:17 AM  
never odd or even

in response to your question...no, superman could not be killed by adamantium or a lightsabre so long as he is not weakened by kryptonite.
Superman comic books addressed the issue (as well as one of the spin off TV shows) as to why when he is shot, burned, crushed, etc-his uniform is never torn. The Kryptonian physiology is such that the yellow sun of earth causes superman to generate a thin "aura" which is actually what protects him from all that bad stuff.

thus, as long as he is on earth-nowhere near kryptonite, or a bad writer, he would be fine and would pwn wolverine and luke skywalker.

/up up and away.
//spiderman would kick his pansy ass though
 
2005-03-18 09:50:23 AM  
I seem to remember that Ultron, who was made of Adamantium, had a Molecular Rearranger built inside of him. That's why he had to take out the Scarlet Witch, so her hex powers could not activate it.

I know most of the characters in the Marvel universe have been teleported one time or another. That usually constitutes the breakdown and rebuilding of molecules. Including Adamantium.

During the secret wars I think, the Molecule Man dissipated Captain Americas shield, and the Silver Surfers Surfboard.


/Some hypnotist who has been reading comics since the 70's.
 
2005-03-18 09:50:30 AM  
I think it depends on whether the adamantium in question is enchanted or not. I mean, what if the adamantium were enchanted so as to be indestructable?

Also, is it 'adamantium' or 'admantium'? I see both spellings here...
 
2005-03-18 09:51:11 AM  
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//anime geek
 
2005-03-18 09:51:33 AM  
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Undoubtedly
 
2005-03-18 09:51:45 AM  
someguy

Those of us of a certain age know that Superman, while not affected by bullets, could be killed by a thrown gun. So, if the adamantium bullets failed to do the trick, throwing the gun from which the bullets were fired would easily do him in.


My keyboard thanks you for the extra caffiene this morning!
 
2005-03-18 09:52:08 AM  
girls like the one in this thread are few and far between, mugato. but we're generally already taken by guys like the ones in this thread so... ;)

/proud geek love
 
2005-03-18 09:52:53 AM  
Oh dear Lord in heaven. If all you nerds were to put as much energy into finding a member of the oposite sex as you do debating this farking crap, none of ya'll would still be virgins.

/lightsaber would cut through adamantium.
//I'm a nerd too but have had sex.
 
2005-03-18 09:53:42 AM  
CatholicSamuari:

You can't reference the Infinity Gauntlet series, everything that happened there was altered reality. Thanos did what he wanted because he had control over every aspect of the universe and could change it to make for some colorful deaths. With Wolverine, he could make Adamantium into rubber, which is what I think he did.

Magneto was overdrived completely when he ripped the Adamantium off Wolverine's bones. Remember Uncanny X-Men #304 at Illyana's funeral? He held Avalon above the cemetary with his powers alone. He was never that strong before.

More on point, he didn't cut or slice Wolvierine's adamantium, he just molded it off of him (and out through his skin), kind of like pulling silly putty off a newspaper. It came out in streams.

A light saber was created by George Lucas. Adamantium was created, in part due to, Stan Lee. The answer is simple from that info: Adamantium cannot be cut by a lightsaber, because Stan Lee didn't ruin one of my favorite all time series.

Now the Schwartz on the other hand, is an entirely different story altogether.
 
2005-03-18 09:53:55 AM  
Note to self: Find out about this "Star Wars" movie that so many speak of.

/turns tape recorder off
 
2005-03-18 09:54:36 AM  
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I definitely needed a change of scenery.
 
2005-03-18 09:55:42 AM  
How about a +6 Light Sabre of Smiting vs. a Buffed Adamantium Golem? Assuming, of course, that you were wearing your +5 Grease Helmet and your Cloak of the Unwashed.

And hasted, don't forget that you are hasted.
 
2005-03-18 09:56:01 AM  
But in ROTS, supposedly General Grevious' magnaguard droids are armed with staffs which cannot be cut by lightsabers. Or else, they can be cut, but it just takes the lightsabers awhile to cut through them.
 
2005-03-18 09:56:31 AM  
I say Yes.
Adamantium can apparently be liquified & is therefore not as "indestructable" as believed. Based on Qui Gonn's saber usage on the Blast Doors in Phantom Menace (although they were hardly adamantium), it seems a plausable theory.
 
2005-03-18 09:57:27 AM  
Wow. That's a lot of real physics being applied to fictional devices.

Cartoon physics (Gravity doesn't take effect until you look down)
Cat physics (If you stare at a refrigerator long enough, eventually someone will open it and give you something)
And now Fark Physics? The world is truly a wonderful place.
 
2005-03-18 09:57:55 AM  
filthy assistant

Wow - so you understand geekiness and you have a Scottish accent? Man. Too bad I am getting married in a month... ;)
 
2005-03-18 09:59:35 AM  
Nerd - someone who considers whether a lightsaber can cut adamtium

SuperNerd - someone who, besides the films, brings animated versions and novels in as canonically supporting evidence

Normal - what everyone else is and you are not

/my heart just isn't in it
//so?
 
2005-03-18 09:59:50 AM  
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You guys are retarded! GOSH!
 
2005-03-18 10:00:09 AM  
Real Name: Steven Rogers
Occupation: crimefighter, (former) freelance artist
Legal Status: Citizen of the United States with no criminal record
Identity: Secret
Other Aliases: Nomad, the Captain
Place of Birth: New York City
Marital Status: Single
Known Relatives: Joseph (father, deceased), Sara (mother, deceased)
Group Affiliation: Former member of the Invaders, former partner to Bucky, the Falcon, and Nomad, current member of the Avengers
Base of Operations: New York City
First Appearance: CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS #1 (1941)

History: Steve Rogers was born during the Depression and grew up a frail youth in a poor family. His father died when he was a child, his mother when he was in his late teens. Horrified by newsreel footage of the Nazis in Europe, Rogers was inspired to try to enlist in the Army. However, because of his frailty and sickness, he was rejected. Overhearing the boy's earnest plea to be accepted, General Chester Phillips of the U.S. Army offered Rogers the opportunity to take part in a special experiment called Operation: Rebirth. Rogers agreed and was taken to a secret laboratory in Washington, D.C. where he was introduced to Dr. Abrahan Erskine (code named: Prof. Reinstein), the creator to the Super-Soldier formula.

After weeks of tests, Rogers was at last administered the Super-Soldier serum. Given part of the compound intravenously and another part orally, Rogers was then bombarded by "vita-rays," a special combination of exotic (in 1941) wavelengths of radiation designed to accelerate and stabilize the serum's effect on his body. Steve Rogers emerged from the vita-ray chamber with a body as perfect as a body can be and still be human. A Nazi spy who observed the experiment murdered Dr. Erskine mere minutes after its conclusion. Erskine died without fully committing the Super-Soldier formula to paper, leaving Steve Rogers the Sole beneficiary of his genius.

Roger was then put through an intensive physical and tactical training program,teaching him gymnastics, hand-to-hand combat and military strategy. Three months later, he was given his first assignment, to stop the Nazi agent called the Red Skull. To help him become a symbolic counterpart to the Red Skull, Rogers was given the red, white, and blue costume of Captain America.

During the war, he served as both a symbol of freedom and America's most effective special operative. Then, during the final days of the war, he was trying to stop a bomb-loaded drone-plane launched by Nazi technician Baron Heinrich Zemo when the plane exploded, killing his partner Bucky; and throwing him unhurt into icy Arctic waters. The Super-Soldier formula prevented crystallization of Captain America's bodily fluid, allowing him to enter a state of suspended animation. Decades later, he was rescued by the newly-formed Avengers and became a cornerstone of the team. His might undiminished. Captain America remains a symbol of liberty and justice.

Height: 6 ft. 2 in.
Weight: 240 lbs.
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Blond

Strength Level: Captain America represents the pinnacle of human physical perfection. While not superhuman, he is as strong as a human being can be. He can lift (press) a maximum of 800 pounds with supreme effort.

Known Superhuman Powers: Known

Abilities: Captain America has agility, strength, speed, endurance, and reaction time superior to any Olympic athlete who ever competed. The Super-Soldier formula that he has metabolized has enhanced all of his bodily functions to the peak of human efficiency. Notably, his body eliminates the excessive build-up of fatigue-producing poisons in his muscles, granting him phenomenal endurance.

Captain America has mastered the martial art of American-style boxing and judo, and has combined these disciplines with his own unique hand-to-hand style of combat. He engages in a daily regimen of rigorous exercise (including aerobics, weight lifting, gymnastics, and simulated combat) to keep himself in peek condition. Captain America is one of the finest human combatants Earth has ever known.

Limitations: Captain America is subject to all human vulnerabilities, although his immunity to diseases is extraordinary.

Weapons: Captain America's only weapon is his shield, a concave disk 2.5 feet in diameter, weighing 12 pounds. It is made of a unique Vibranium-Adimantium alloy that has never been duplicated. The Shield was cast by American metallurgist Dr. Myron MacLain, who was contracted by the U.S. government to create an impenetrable substance to use for tanks during World War II. During his experiments, MacLain combined Vibranium with an Adamantium-steel alloy he was working with and created the disc-shaped shield. MacLain was never able to duplicate the process due to his inability identify a still unknown factor that played a role in it. The shield was awarded to Captain America by the government several months after the beginning of his career.

The shield has great aerodynamic properties: it is able to slice through the air with minimal wind resistance and deflection of path. Its great overall resilience, combined with its natural concentric stiffness, enables it to rebound from objects with minimal loss of angular momentum. It is virtually indestructible: it is resistant to penetration, temperature extremes, and the entire electromagnetic spectrum of radiation. The only way it can be damaged in any way is by tampering with its molecular bonding.
 
2005-03-18 10:00:53 AM  
I've been wondering something.

Is adamantium some kind of amorphous metal? There has been research into amorphous metals (with a structure not unlike glass) that have nearly 100% elasticity. A ball bearing dropped on a piece of amorphous steel from 1 foot will bounce for about a minute and a half. Normal stainless steel becomes "pitted" when a ball bearing is dropped in this manner, while ASTeel doesn't take such damage. It seems if you combined certain alloys, especially one with an "Ice-9" like quality of raising the melting point past an ungodly temperature once it cools, into an amorphous structure, we can have a workable version of adamantium. Of course, said amorphous structure probably lowers the melting point...

Back to the topic, Lightsaber(sabre?) vs. Adamantium, Lightsaber wins.

/nerd off
//why yes ladies, I'm single
 
2005-03-18 10:01:23 AM  
The answer is no. Adamantium is indestructible, and light sabers can NOT cut through anything. There are a couple of materials mentioned in the book immune to light sabers.
 
2005-03-18 10:01:34 AM  
CatholicSamurai

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/captainamerica.htm


Sorry, but you and whatever clown wrote that piece doesn't know their geek trivia. This is taken from Avengers Annual 2001:

Edwin Jarvis: "No, there's no adamantium in Captain America's shield, though the confusion is understandable. He (Dr. McClain) was attempting to bond a sample of Wakandan vibranium to a new steel alloy, without success...and awoke to find the metals had bonded. He tried for decades to re-create his miracle metal, but the closest he was able to come was his far later creation, adamantium. So it's understandable that people occasionally confuse Dr. McClain's two great discoveries. But it's no more than that, the shield pre-dates adamantium by decades."

Adamantium was created in Avengers #66 (1966) at which point the shield had been in use for over 25 years.

/I know this isn't really important, but sometimes a man has to stand up for what's right
 
2005-03-18 10:01:52 AM  
Could God make an adamantium rock so big he couldn't lift if with a light saber?
 
2005-03-18 10:03:15 AM  
The bullet George Reeves blew himself away with must have been made of admantium.

And for the record, this thread kicks ass and there is such a thing as comic book and Star Wars geeks who fall within their recommended weight limit, have their own place and have plenty of sex. Well, a fair amount of sex anyway. Ok, I haven't had sex in a month, get off my back!
 
2005-03-18 10:03:39 AM  
If you had an octarine gem in your lightsaber, you could probably cut through the admantium, or turn it into a bunch of geraniums... but very few people could see the blade.

if your lightsaber projected warp particles, you could bend spacetime in such a way as to snap the admantium like a twig. I suppose it would have to be made with a dilithium crystal.

and finally:

if you were to tune your lightsaber to project a finite improbability field of sufficient strength, you could turn the admantium into spaghetti- making it quite easy to break... but I am not sure what type of chrystal you would use... we could probably figure out the probability of finding one though...
 
2005-03-18 10:03:49 AM  
lukelightning

Or Atmospherium? It has powers that have yet to be discoverd by Science!


I bow to you Sir...


//I'm a scientist, I don't believe in anything
 
2005-03-18 10:04:11 AM  
Stop talking about comic books or I'll kill you.
I don't care if the Hulk could defeat the Man of Steel.
I'm gonna rearrange your face if you continue to debate
whether Logan's claws could pierce
Steve Roger's shield.
I just couldn't care less if they bring back Kraven,
and I don't care if Spiderman's a clone.
Stop spending all our cash on back issues of the Flash,
or I swear to God you're gonna spend
your twilight years alone.
Okay, you can call them graphic novels,
but they're still just plain old comic books to me,
and I don't see why you must always ceaselessly discuss
the post-Zero hour continuity.
For the last time I won't read those Kirby X-men.
You know that I prefer the work he did for DC.
And if you don't want to die
you'll lose that Overstreet Price Guide,
Comic Buyer's Guide, and Wizard Magazine,
but please get the new Invisibles for me.


--Ookla the Mok, Stop Talking about Comic Books or I'll Kill You
 
2005-03-18 10:04:31 AM  
 
2005-03-18 10:04:55 AM  
Ademantium?

Hardly knew 'im!

Thank you, goodinght!
 
2005-03-18 10:05:01 AM  
Adamantium is created through the mixing of certain chemical resins whose composition is a United States government secret. For eight minutes after the resins are mixed, the Adamantium can be molded into a particular shape as long as it is kept at a temperature of 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit. After this brief period the process of creating Adamantium is completed. The extremely stable molecular structure of the Adamantium prevents it from being molded further, even if the temperature remains high enough to keep it in liquefied form. Only a device called a Molecular Rearranger can alter the form of hardened Adamantium.

The question is does a lightsaber qualify as a "molecular rearranger"?
 
2005-03-18 10:05:11 AM  
OK so what's the chemical composition of adamantium?
 
2005-03-18 10:05:25 AM  
Can we get some pictures of the poster, preferably as Princess Leia, circa Bubba Fet slave.
 
2005-03-18 10:05:25 AM  
Actually, cortosis (according to d20 game mechanics, anyway..:) only causes the lightsaber to shut down... 'shorting it out' so to speak. Cortosis armor/weapons still don't get their hardness or damage reduction vs. a saber.
 
2005-03-18 10:05:31 AM  
Okay, the answer is simple...

1. A Lightsaber "can cut through any solid object, with the exception of ... (cortosis, etc.)" Adamantium is _not_ on the list.
2. Adamantium is _not_ unbreakable, it's "nigh unbreakable", by the standard Marvel vernacular. Colossus's steel hide was also "nigh invulnerable", and he was quite vulnerable. Hence, adamantium is breakable. (NERD ALERT: For the trully nerdy, S'ym broke one of Wolvie's claws in Limbo, and both Uru and Adamantium-Vibranium alloy (the stuff Cap's shield is made of) are stated to be stronger- hence, since two unbreakable materials would be equally strong, adamantium must be breakable).
3. Most importantly, Lightsabers are from Star Wars, which has more fanboys than Marvel.

Lightsaber wins.

Now, for a more complicated question, if you balanced Captain America's shield on edge against Wolverine's claws and started wiling on it with Thor's hammer, what would happen...?

/nerd
//geek
///spaz
////dork
//total slashwhore
 
2005-03-18 10:06:23 AM  
filthy assistant

girls like the one in this thread are few and far between, mugato. but we're generally already taken by guys like the ones in this thread so... ;)

/proud geek love


Oh man, and you're Scottish too. You're killing me, I hope you're happy.
 
2005-03-18 10:06:50 AM  
2005-03-18 10:03:15 AM Mugato

The bullet George Reeves blew himself away with must have been made of admantium.



Actually, I think he just threw a gun up in the air and stood under it.
 
2005-03-18 10:07:29 AM  
I really want to know, so I'm asking again:

Can lightsabers cut through other lightsabers? And if so, by what mechanism?
 
2005-03-18 10:08:05 AM  
Knights of the Old Republic doesn't do Cortosis Weave correctly.

You can't cut through Cortosis with a lightsaber because it sets up an energy feedback that turns off a lightsaber when it comes in contact.
 
2005-03-18 10:08:51 AM  
Whether or not a light saber can cut through adamantium is unimportant!

Question is; can a light saber cut cheese?

And not just the runny stuff, any cheese really, evenly and in nice thin slices.
 
2005-03-18 10:09:00 AM  
Captain America's shield is the only instance of True Adamantium, which is Adamantium mixed with an unknown agent that no one witnessed mixing. The lightsaber wouldn't touch the Cap's shield (a nuclear explosion directly on top of it would leave a scratch, maybe), but the lightsaber would own regular adamantium.

/has 30-40 year old Marvel character books
 
2005-03-18 10:09:45 AM  
I know that SLASH'EM (Super Lotsa Added Stuff (Net)Hack -- Extended Magic) had lightsabers, but I'm not sure it had adamantium armor. Anyway, even in games that feature adamantium, it's usually not the strongest armor...

/SLASH'EM also had darksabers. I know! Yeah, I'm a roguelike geek.
//But, getting married by the end of the year, so bite me
 
2005-03-18 10:09:54 AM  
ipsiad:

That's the gazzilion dollar question. See my above post for speculation.
 
2005-03-18 10:10:12 AM  
"Adamantium" comes from the word "adamant" which is a very old word for diamond, which is by a huge amount the hardest substance known to man, but diamonds can be destroyed with a (relatively) small amount of heat (6900 degrees F.)

Assuming adamantium is simply diamond, if a lightsaber can generate that much heat it should be able to destroy it--however, there is a catch. Diamond is (depending on its purity and makeup of the type of carbon atoms) a superconductor of heat. So a lightsaber at, say, 7000 degrees F. might not melt through, the adamantium might sink the heat away and cook Wolfman's flesh from the inside long before the whole skeleton reached the melting point. Even with his super mutant healing abilities, I submit that if his skeleton was heated to even a relativly low 2000 degrees, it would roast all the cells in his body and leave nothing left alive to start the regeneration process.

How's that for geekiness?
 
2005-03-18 10:10:32 AM  
2005-03-18 10:08:51 AM Zingraff

Whether or not a light saber can cut through adamantium is unimportant!

Question is; can a light saber cut cheese?

And not just the runny stuff, any cheese really, evenly and in nice thin slices.



What do you want, Miracles?!
 
2005-03-18 10:10:43 AM  
On the other hand, my dad may have answered this one years ago...

Q. What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?

A. An unbelievable mess.
 
2005-03-18 10:11:16 AM  
BillCosby... go for the handle...
 
2005-03-18 10:11:31 AM  
Lightsabers and adamantium are silly. If Batman and James Bond got into a fight, who would win?

And Captain America's shield is stronger than Wolverine's claws. Everyone knows that. :-P
 
2005-03-18 10:11:32 AM  
[image from mulletman.org too old to be available]
 
2005-03-18 10:12:40 AM  
you guys know that neither of them are real right?
 
2005-03-18 10:12:55 AM  
Since my "adamantium can't be re-melted" and "adamantium could be cortosis weave" arguments have been used, I have to use another one! lol

NineInchNader: Which leads me to ask... Adamantium is ferrous? Wolverine is gonna rust, or WTF?

Magneto isn't restricted to ferrous metals. He's able to control magnetic fields in general, not just metals that have magnetic properties. As a result, really, his powers have a LOT more potential than just manipulating metals.
 
2005-03-18 10:13:24 AM  
For the record, Superman can move very fast. Say a random Jedi on one side and an expert marksman with an adamantium bullet loaded rifle. So batman told him that jedi can use mental powers, so to be careful, so superman just flies at ungodly speed towards the jedi (spinning the earth on it's axis type of speed). Force powers or not, even from a couple of hundred feet, the jedi has no chance to react and Superman will simply rip his head off. Then just as fast, Superman could hurl the Jedi's head at the marksman so fast that it would burst into flames on the way there and the burning jedi skull would fly into the marksman at such devastating speed, it would kill him instantly. So even if Adamantium and a lightsaber could penetrate Superman's skin, we'll never really know. Now, if you gave a lightsaber to Flash...

Awesome.
 
2005-03-18 10:13:28 AM  
holmw13

You win.
 
2005-03-18 10:13:28 AM  
artthehypnotist

Is that from the "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe" series that ran circa 1982-83?

I have the entire collection in a box among some other early 80's goodies (about 400 in all).

/wonders what it's all worth
 
2005-03-18 10:13:33 AM  
If threatened with a lightsaber or an adamantium weapon, your best defense is the threaten to use the Corbomite Device.

/adding another mythology to the discussion
 
2005-03-18 10:14:09 AM  
2005-03-18 10:03:39 AM Pro Zack

No crystal needed for the Improbability Field. Just a Golden Bail. The question, then, is "Would the Lightsaber look like a running shoe?"
 
2005-03-18 10:14:25 AM  
Webgrunt
Wolvarine must be able to survive high temperatures - since he survived the molten adamantium being applied to his skeleton...
 
2005-03-18 10:14:47 AM  
This thread should be about what it is like to be a 30+ year old virgin because there are obviously TONS adding their comments. BTW, sticking a lightsaber up your ass doesn't count.
 
2005-03-18 10:14:48 AM  
This thread is certainly the pinnacle of the internet, what it's nerdy architects had one day envisioned. God bless America.

*sheds tear*


This just needed to be restated and slightly modified to include pron... other than that, keep geeking folks!

/back to lurking due to lack of geeky knowledge
//funny thread though
 
2005-03-18 10:15:11 AM  
[image from videogamesprites.net too old to be available]
 
2005-03-18 10:15:29 AM  
For some reason I read "cut through an aquarium", which is a much more interesting question.

/superheros are lame
//except Orgazmo
 
2005-03-18 10:16:31 AM  
And btw, the Drizzt Do'Urden book collection is a great joke from an old photoshop contest . . . does anyone have that thread?
 
2005-03-18 10:16:33 AM  
woodstock827- Goku can block both adamantium and lightsabre, and kill yoda with his spirit bomb

And here I thought the Spirit Bomb only worked on people. I gotta watch more DBZ
 
2005-03-18 10:17:59 AM  

I really want to know, so I'm asking again:

Can lightsabers cut through other lightsabers? And if so, by what mechanism?


Well, if you read all the EU crap, a red lightsaber (Christ, I can't believe I'm writing this instead of working) has an (sigh) artificial crystal in it that's supposedly stronger than the natural crystals used by the Jedi. So maybe a Sith's saber blade cut cut through a Jedi's. I don't know what is the implication of Mace Winu's purple saber.

But then the Dark Side is overall stronger. Sure Yoda will tell you different but who is ruling the galaxy and who is sitting in a swamp? Oh, he gets to be a ghost when he dies. Ok.
 
2005-03-18 10:18:01 AM  
The original shield was a hybrid... the original shield is what it is, no matter what writer changes it to be.

It has adamantium and Klaw's hard-on vribro metal in it. End of discussion.
 
2005-03-18 10:18:42 AM  
JUst readin this thread makes my dick look huge

/thankyou all for proving I am not teh only geek
 
2005-03-18 10:18:59 AM  
[image from geocities.com too old to be available]
 
2005-03-18 10:19:32 AM  
Since neither exists, and to cut something is to change it, then the lightsaber can't as the adamantium remains unchanged, even if only a figment of someone's imagination, so no.
 
2005-03-18 10:19:48 AM  
But then the Dark Side is overall stronger. Sure Yoda will tell you different but who is ruling the galaxy and who is sitting in a swamp? Oh, he gets to be a ghost when he dies. Ok.

Meoww!!! Say that to his face, would you?
 
2005-03-18 10:20:13 AM  
Mugato

You mean the Kyber crystal?

I'm pretty sure there isn't a lot of light-sabre cutting going on, since in pretty much any duel they just make a big flash of white light when they collide.

/just sayin is all
 
2005-03-18 10:21:10 AM  
groininjury

and the sound, don't forget the sound... or poland.
 
2005-03-18 10:21:22 AM  
Here's several thins about the Superman, lightsaber, adamantium thing.

1. In the old school Superman it was said his body projected a small field of protection around his skin. Which was why in the original comics his costume never got destroyed. (This has since been dropped I believe but I found it interesting enough to add)
2. The current Superboy is only invunerable through a similar field that surrounds his body and he derives most of his super strength and abilities through projecting that field. (Again this is changing with time)

3.Adamantium can be peirced and cut by a certain Material as shown in Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy series. In which one of the main characters (Vance Astro AKA Major Victory) originally wore a protective Adamantium suit to protect him from aging. In one issue his suit was breached using a bullet made of a specific material. Hence Adamantium is not indestructable or inpenetrable in the future (When the comic was set). Guardians of the Galaxy #18 was the issue if anyone cares to look up what the bullet was made of.

4. As further proof adamantium can be broken. In another issue of Guardians of the Galaxy a descendent of Wolverine attempts to track down either his body or him. The descendent finds one of Wolvies metal claws that had been broken off. Eventually it turns out the in that future Doom has killed woverine then mounted his own brain in a robot made of Wolvies skeleton. Complete with broken claw.
not sure on the issue number there.

Ok that's it. all I can add.
/geek off.
 
2005-03-18 10:21:47 AM  
I think that a lightsaber could do it, because the technology is of a completley different galaxy. Considering that this is a discussion about two pieces of two different universes colliding, I think we need to look at the fact that in the SW universe they can bend light to create a lightsaber. Thats something I dont think that the creators of the adamantium skeleton thought of, since to them it doesnt exist.

/nerd as well.
 
2005-03-18 10:22:00 AM  
CatholicSamurai

It's not "end of discussion" just because you say so. The sources that you have cited (cards, handbooks) are non-canon. I got it straight from the horses mouth. Adamantium didn't even exist when Cap's shield was made.

/I hate people who say "end of discussion"
 
2005-03-18 10:22:20 AM  
wolverine would tear the crap out of a jedi before he had a chance to get to his lightsaber

:)
 
2005-03-18 10:22:23 AM  
Mace Windu says...
[image from sgtfretsurfer.com too old to be available]
Women dig my purple saber...
[image from sgtfretsurfer.com too old to be available]
...And they like my laser sword, too.
[image from mibeercans.com too old to be available]
Colt 45. May the funk be with you.
 
2005-03-18 10:23:02 AM  
I thought that lightsabers didn't generate any heat, although that would probably not be true otherwise Luke would have bled to death after his dad went a bit too far with the corporal punishment.

The real question should be who wins in a fight between the Wonder Twins and an inanimate carbon rod?

My money's on the rod.
 
2005-03-18 10:23:43 AM  
 
2005-03-18 10:24:16 AM  
Captain America's shield is an Adamantium/Vibranium alloy. The exact composition is a mystery that died with it's creator, Dr. Myron MacLain. MacLain did not invent Vibranium however. Vibranium came to the earth in meteors.
 
2005-03-18 10:24:17 AM  
The Saint of Killers

And here I thought the Spirit Bomb only worked on people. I gotta watch more DBZ

That may be the funniest thing I've read all day.

/if you don't find it funny, you too are a nerd, and not in the good way
 
2005-03-18 10:25:17 AM  
Thanks EvilJordan.

Can someone please make this discussion thread more interesting and post a NSFW boobies link? That would make it much more interesting.
 
2005-03-18 10:25:39 AM  
[image from imagenes.yonkis.com too old to be available]
 
2005-03-18 10:25:52 AM  
I thought Mace's sabre was supposed to be a long red sabre with a purple tip?

/acknowledges implied phallic symbolism
 
2005-03-18 10:25:53 AM  
I don't know what is the implication of Mace Winu's purple saber.

The implication is that when Jules Winnfield says he wants a purple lightsaber 'because it looks cool and no one else has one', he gets it.
 
2005-03-18 10:26:30 AM  
I think the question is overly vague. There are several kinds of adamantium/adamantine metals in many different areas of geekdom. There is the aforementioned adamantium from the Marvel universe, but there is also adamantium from D&D, as well as adamantium in Morrowind (at least, if you get Tribunal).

So basically, here's my response to the two underdiscussed adamantium possibilities. If it's the D&D adamantium, then the lightsaber could do it, provided that the lightsaber does more damage per second than the adamantium's hardness plus HP per inch. However, the hardness is relatively high, so it's possible that a standardized lightsaber from some d20 incarnation of the SW RPG might list lightsaber damage and fail to bypass adamantine armor or shields.

As to the Morrowind version of adamantium, a lightsaber could cut through it like it wasn't even there. I mean, shiat, if you hit rats enough with an adamantine sword, or if rats bite into your adamantine armor enough, it just breaks. Because everything in Morrowind breaks, if it's a weapon or piece of armor. So, logically, if a rat can break adamantium, then a lightsaber would have no problem.
 
2005-03-18 10:26:36 AM  
 
2005-03-18 10:27:53 AM  
[image from cabalcity.com too old to be available]

Bring it on!
 
2005-03-18 10:28:04 AM  
1. In the old school Superman it was said his body projected a small field of protection around his skin. Which was why in the original comics his costume never got destroyed. (This has since been dropped I believe but I found it interesting enough to add)

Ooo, ooo my turn!!! In the comics, Doomsday not only beat the snot out of Superman, but shredded his costume with his exoskeleton... how does this weigh in, or is that considered to "new" of Superman? Discuss.

/trys to puff out nerdy chest, but needs help from inhaler
 
2005-03-18 10:28:05 AM  
Mace Windu and Lando Calrissian, the two smoothest ass brothers in the galaxy.

If threatened with a lightsaber or an adamantium weapon, your best defense is the threaten to use the Corbomite Device.

Bullshiat! The Corbomite Device doesn't really exist. Kirk pulled that out of his ass. Twice.

And for everyone biatching about this thread, I'll hang out with someone who wastes work time bullshiatting about this stuff over sports freaks anytime.
 
2005-03-18 10:28:32 AM  
2005-03-18 10:23:02 AM NathanAllen

The real question should be who wins in a fight between the Wonder Twins and an inanimate carbon rod?

My money's on the rod.



The Rod is a hero! In Rod we trust!


[image from nohomers.net too old to be available]
 
2005-03-18 10:28:38 AM  
unowho13:
This just needed to be restated and slightly modified to include pron... other than that, keep geeking folks!

[image from billpullman.org too old to be available]

I see your Schwarz is as big as mine...
 
2005-03-18 10:29:15 AM  
artthehypnotist:

The only way it can be damaged in any way is by tampering with its molecular bonding.

Actually, it was shattered during the first Secret Wars.
 
2005-03-18 10:29:59 AM  
The real beauty is, that we are having a stoner conversation while most of us are on company time.
 
2005-03-18 10:30:01 AM  
I see your Schwartz is as big as mine.
 
2005-03-18 10:30:04 AM  
You'reWrong

Captain America's shield is an Adamantium/Vibranium alloy.


Yes, you are wrong. http://www.answers.com/topic/adamantium
 
2005-03-18 10:31:04 AM  
2005-03-18 10:28:05 AM Mugato

If threatened with a lightsaber or an adamantium weapon, your best defense is the threaten to use the Corbomite Device.

Bullshiat! The Corbomite Device doesn't really exist. Kirk pulled that out of his ass. Twice.


That's why I said threaten.
 
2005-03-18 10:32:17 AM  
The real beauty is, that we are having a stoner conversation while most of us are on company time.

Couldn't have said it better myself. And I'm in charge of a lot of people's money.
 
2005-03-18 10:32:26 AM  
but more importantly can a geek beat up a nerd?
 
2005-03-18 10:32:28 AM  
Would Wolverine's claws be able to pierce Mithril?
 
2005-03-18 10:32:51 AM  
God, everytime a good geek discussion comes up someone throws the sex farctor in

who ever you people are that think that sex is anti geek you are wrong - I have wilder and more sex in one saturday then you have in your boring "normal" lifetime.

I am a geek - I like anime, I like comics, I like cartoons, I like expanded universes and most of all I like having sex after delving in some of the aforementioned hobbies.

The perfect saturday - hockey followed by video games followed by some comics or novels followed by karate followed by sex followed by dinner followed by more sex finishing with sex or some video games (depends on who is more tired)

/with a real woman
//who is my wife
///your arguement sucks
 
2005-03-18 10:33:11 AM  
SockMonkeyHolocaust:

Dude, a lightsaber couldn't destroy Elvis. The King is forever, in fact Elvis is in every single one of us. He's everywhere...he's everybody, he's still the king.

Elvis is, indeed, inside everyone.

Everyone but this guy:

[image from news.bbc.co.uk too old to be available]

And, as we've come to learn, acute Elvis deficiency causes Parkinson's Disease.
 
2005-03-18 10:33:25 AM  
unowho13

Supposedly from the comics written in the "Aftermath" of his death. Superman's body acts as a huge solar battery. When he was presented with Doomsday for some reason the insuing battles drained his energy reserves faster then normal (I think they said "It was the hardest he'd ever fought" or some schlock)So when Doomsday really started wailing on him he just didn't have the energy left for his body to be invunerable to Doomsday. He was still bullet proof and needle proof etc. But Doomsday hit like comet impact. At least that's what they said. Now that he's back though he's had several changes in his powers. Even becoming energy at one point. I think though the Doomsday thing was the begining of the end for the "Aura" of invunerability
I think now they just say he's a tough bastard. Perhaps with a touch of the aura left. But his cape and shiat still gets shredded all the time.
 
2005-03-18 10:34:05 AM  
Groininjury I think so, typicly in the Final Fantasy Series mythril is not the most powerful metal.
 
dwg
2005-03-18 10:34:08 AM  
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no i dont think taht GI Joe could beat the Transformers in a battle cuz Optomus prime would like totally kill the shiat out of duke and waht do u know about anything anyway u reteard
/I roll 20's
//nothing funnier than an imaginary dick contest
 
2005-03-18 10:34:15 AM  
tonkin: Dude maybe if Superman was weakened by the kryptonite first, then you could kill him with the light saber.

That may be the geekiest sentence ever written in the english language. I think I'm in awe.

/just helping the nerd thread get to infinity.
 
2005-03-18 10:34:31 AM  
I see you people's money Mugato and raise you alot of company's money!

/refusing to GBTW
 
2005-03-18 10:34:44 AM  
Actually that whole Mithril thing had me second-thinking.

When Frodo got stuck with the spear by the cave troll, why did the Mithil just not line the outside of the blade and pass through his body?

The Mithril would still be intact, but it's all pliable like and could pass through his fragile skin with enough force.

/damn science fiction
 
2005-03-18 10:35:26 AM  
Can a light saber cut through adamantium? Discuss

Briefly, the answer would be yes. However, only the Force could stop a pissed off T-1000.

/No fate but what we make.
 
2005-03-18 10:35:54 AM  
eye wuz ear: but more importantly can a geek beat up a nerd?

Ironically, they can probably both beat up a Dork.
 
2005-03-18 10:35:56 AM  
I'll go with lightsabre. on a crit it behaves like a vorpal weapon.

/Double your geeky, double your fun...
 
2005-03-18 10:36:10 AM  
WARNING!

Critical nerd mass achieved.
Thread implosion imminent.
 
2005-03-18 10:36:13 AM  
dwg
It's funny cause I don't see this as an argument. people are being pretty civil I think. I'm just enjoying being able to talk about all the useless fake data I've inadvertantly memorized over the years.
 
2005-03-18 10:36:31 AM  
Magnaguard droids!
 
2005-03-18 10:36:33 AM  
So which is tougher, superman's cape or The Hulk's pants?
 
2005-03-18 10:36:38 AM  
iccky

That may be the funniest thing I've read all day.


It is, but not in the way I've intended. DBZ fans can become quite belligerent in discussions due to DBZ's non-existent continuity. Like a Pre-Crisis DC comic (God, I am a geek) DBZ has hundreds of explanations and origins for the characters and their powers and they all contradict each other. Best to stay away from any discussion about DBZ, for that and other obvious reasons.
 
2005-03-18 10:37:56 AM  
seeing as both "adamantium" and "light sabers" don't exist, how can nothing overcome nothing?


fags.
 
2005-03-18 10:38:25 AM  
groininjury: Actually that whole Mithril thing had me second-thinking.

Magic completley throws all the rules out of the window. That's why I let you answer the question first. My first answer would be no, adamantium couldn't damage mythril, but I must admit I'm not geek/nerd enough to have read everything ever written about mythril, and as a consequence I'm not qualified to answer the question.
 
2005-03-18 10:38:38 AM  
dramaticpause it nice to see that while nerds and geeks are typically feeble & viable targets for poundings that they too can be a bully

/hurray I get to be a bully too!
 
2005-03-18 10:39:08 AM  
When Frodo got stuck with the spear by the cave troll, why did the Mithil just not line the outside of the blade and pass through his body?

Magic.

How about -- Legolas is firing arrows at Kwai Chang Caine...
 
2005-03-18 10:39:13 AM  
Pro Zack: So which is tougher, superman's cape or The Hulk's pants?

On chili night?
 
2005-03-18 10:39:34 AM  
On the same note, I am surprised that a geek somewhere hasn't asked who would win in a fight between Wolverine and Ridley Scott's alien...

Adamantium vs. caustic acid blood and spit... hmmm. That is a tough one...
 
2005-03-18 10:39:51 AM  
Groininjury
I read yesterday that they finally found out why oil keeps steel parts from wearing. under tremendous force, it basically turns into rubber, and absorbs the impact. mithril may be the same way - absorbing the impact - turning it into heat, rather than transmitting it to the fragile skin of said hobbitses. of course, hobitses are more resiliant than they look.
 
2005-03-18 10:39:53 AM  
...but there is also adamantium from D&D....

Actually, in D&D there is no adamantium. It's adamantine. And it's not indestructable, just very hard and tough. A lightsaber from the Star Wars D20 game could cut through it no problem.

So there! Make a Will save or suffer my wrath!
 
2005-03-18 10:40:23 AM  
Lightsaber, what's that suppose to be? Perhaps a small fusion reaction contained in a beam by magnetic confinement? If so, the heat of it would burn the holder of it to a crisp.

At least wolverine has cool sideburns.
 
2005-03-18 10:40:23 AM  
Which is tighter:

Hulks pants, or Bon Scott's pants?

/Jesus, my balls hurt
 
2005-03-18 10:41:44 AM  
Xzibit! Pimp my saber!
 
2005-03-18 10:42:22 AM  
The excess nerd energy just make my desk fan spin around like it's haunted.
 
2005-03-18 10:42:27 AM  
Yes, it can.

We already know Adamantium can be severed by a high powered energy blast. In one of the alternate universe X-Men comics, Wolverine was missing a hand because Cyclops blew it off, sheering through his adamantium coated bones.

I'd argue that there are definite similarities between the type of damage caused by a lightsaber and Cyclops' optic energy blast.
 
2005-03-18 10:42:31 AM  
lexslamman
that would definitely test Wolverine's healing abilities -

but anything that eats iron ore has to be a tough customer...
 
Xai
2005-03-18 10:43:10 AM  
considering that both adamantium and light sabers are fiction (barely theoretical) and do not currently exist, it is not known if a light saber could in fact cut adamantium.

In theory because all matter is simply an arrangement of atoms, any material can be cut with sufficient energy.

However since neither exists you could never cut anything with a non-existant device so the answer is no.

Flame on!
 
2005-03-18 10:43:15 AM  
seeing as both "adamantium" and "light sabers" don't exist, how can nothing overcome nothing?


fags.


Seeing as this is completely obvious, what is the need for saying it?

fag mirror reflects back at you.
 
2005-03-18 10:43:34 AM  
The Saint of Killers

Yes, you are wrong. http://www.answers.com/topic/adamantium

If you're going to lame out and start researching this on the net then you ought to at least go to the source:

http://www.marveldirectory.com/misc/adamantium.htm
 
2005-03-18 10:43:52 AM  
[image from img92.exs.cx too old to be available]

Wow, I'm lonely.
 
2005-03-18 10:44:17 AM  
CatholicSamurai

Anything in the Marvel Univ. that is made of adamantium (Wolverine's skeleton, Cyber's skin, Bullseye's spine, Ultron itself, Cap America's shield) is pretty much indestructable.

Just a side note: Cyber no longer has his adamantium skin--in fact he was killed for it. When Wolverine was in his feral, post-adamantium stage he was captured by a pack of bad guys (who's names I can't recall) that attempted to infuse Wolverine with the adamantium from the recently departed Cyber. Wolverine rejected it and forceably expelled it from his body, killing half the people in the room with flying adamantium shards.

Also, Cap's shild is not adamantium. According to Marvel:

Adamantium: An artificially created alloy of iron that is the most impervious substance known on Earth, with the exception of the unknown Adamantium-Vibranium alloy of which Captain America's shield is composed.

If I recall correctly, that combination was made on accident and never replicated.

Back to the original question: A lightsaber could cut through adamantium; however, as many of my fellow nerds have said, it would take an exceptional amount of time to do. Much easier to use the Jedi Mind Trick on Wolvie and convince him you aren't the Jedi he's looking for.

Oh, by the way NineInchNader, Wolverine should have never beaten Lobo. That was a travesty.

And Overlord, the correct spelling is adamantium.

Now if you guys want to engage in a serious nerd debate, let me ask who would win in a battle between the Imperial Navy of Star Wars, and Starfleet of Star Trek. My vote: Imperial Navy.
 
2005-03-18 10:44:37 AM  
I always liked the Gamma World system of indestructible materials. They had Duralloy and Powered Duralloy. Duralloy was hard, as hard as diamond, but it could be destroyed. When you applied power to it, though, a molecular force field set up throughout the material and nothing could damage it. The only way to stop something made of powered duralloy was to first take out its power source.

/rpg nerd.
 
2005-03-18 10:44:51 AM  
I wonder who would win in a fight - Wolverine or Vision

/intangibility is so frustrating
 
2005-03-18 10:45:52 AM  
Some history of Adamantium

Adamantium is a virtually indestructible man-made steel alloy which does not occur in nature and whose exact chemical composition is a United States government classified secret. Adamantium is not an element: its properties do not qualify it for any known space on the Periodic Table of Elements. Adamantium is a series of closely related compounds of iron created through a secret process discovered by the American metallurgist Dr, Myron MacLain.

MacLain began experimenting with the process that created Adamantium as a young scientist in the employ of the United States government in the early 1940s. Assigned to create a super-metal with which to build tanks, MacLain labored for month, experimenting with various iron alloys. One of his experiments utilized the rare meteoric ore now known as Wakandan Vibranium. He tried to fuse the Vibranium to the iron alloy numerous times without success. Then one night when he dozed off, some as yet unknown factor entered the process, and permitted the fusion to occur. Upon discovering his success, MacLain poured the molten metal into a disc-shaped mold. The disc, once solidified, has proven to be the most impervious object ever created on Earth. MacLain turned the disc over to the government and it was given to Captain America to use as his shield. Neither MacLain nor anyone else has ever been able to discover what was the x-factor that entered the process, or has been able to fuse Vibranium with another metal. (The unknown iron-Vibranium alloy of which the shield is composed resembles True Adamantium, although Adamantium itself contains no Vibranium,)

Over the following decades MacLain experimented, attempting to duplicate the process that create the shield. Finally, in recent years, he succeeded in developing the process by which the substance known as True Adamantium is created. True Adamantium is nearly as strong as Captain America's shield, and is, for all practical purpose, indestructible. The degree of impermeability varies directly with the thickness of the Adamantium. A direct blow from Thor's hammer, conveyed with the thunder god's full strength, will slightly dent a solid cylinder of True Adamantium. A sufficient mass of Adamantium could survive a direct hit from a nuclear weapon.

Adamantium is created through the mixing of certain metals whose composition is a United States government secret. For eight minutes after the metals are mixed, the Adamantium can be molded into a particular shape as long as it is kept at a temperature of 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit (815.6 Celsius) After this brief period the process of creating Adamantium is completed. The extremely stable molecular structure of the Adamantium prevents it from being molded further, even if the temperature remains high enough to keep it in liquefied form. Only a device celled a Molecular Rearranger can alter the form of hardened Adamantium.

Some thoughts on Light Sabers

According to astrophysicist Yakov Borisovich Zel'dovich, a rapidly spinning conductor will cause the creation of virtual particle radiation at its surface. Particle production is controlled by the charge, angular velocity (of rotation) and radius of this charged conductor.

If we imagine a rod shaped charged field of atomic-scale cross-section, which is superconducting and rotating at near-lightspeed, then charge regulation becomes the control for the particle emission type and quantity. Such charged fields would tend to repel one-another (if they are of like polarity), which means the blades would BLOCK one another. NOTE: a sabre would have to be built carefully and tuned correctly! A badly adjusted sabre would subject its user (and everyone in range) with considerable amounts of gamma radiation!.

The glow of the sabre blade consists of virtual-photons energised by the rotating field into real photons ... virtual light make real! The opaque 'thumb-thick' blade shape may be a swirl of ionised atmospheric particles (the AIR) drawn in and swirling about the core. When you IONISE a gas, you actually have a PLASMA (as it is meant by terrestrial physics) ... and this would glow JUST LIKE A FLUORESCENT TUBE (which is ALSO a plasma!) ... BUT this thumb-thick plasma zone is merely a by-product ... the REAL cutting is performed by minuscule core of the true blade ... leaving almost microscopically thin cuts. (The blade would STILL glow fiercely in even in a vacuum, as it throws off 'virtual photons - made real' ... but the thumb-thick core may not be visible.)

Such a tight rapidly spinning charged superconducting field would rend (tear) through most matter by stripping off electrons which bind atoms together. The ionized matter about the 'cut', as well as field-excited atomic movement in the localized area of the 'cut', would mimic great point-of-contact heat. A wound to a soft-tissue organic being would appear to be a microscopically thin BURN - and such a wound would usually tend to be cauterized (depending on how slowly the blade passed through - a large blood vessel cut too quickly may not be sufficiently 'burned' to cauterize). Dense metals which have loosely bound electrons (which are free to wander about their lattice structure) would be more resistant to cutting. The 'atom stripping' effect would take a little longer to cut through, because such materials have more electrons 'to spare' before their lattice structure becomes 'torn'.

Metals are also more highly conductive, and the localized 'heat' effects are minimized because the heat is carried away and dispersed through the material more quickly. This means that even though with varying amounts of effort, a lightsabre could cut through virtually anything, some materials would offer more resistance to a sabre blade, and therefore we can now understand how Lord Vader's armour was able to ward off most of Luke's glancing blow, saving his life. Mr Albert Forge has gone further, and has postulated a mechanism for the generation of the spinning field which creates the blade described above. Imagine a tiny sphere of unknown composition. Rapidly spin this into a disk by the effect of inducing fields (probably EM). The disk deformed and elongated into a tube, or rod (imagine the sleeve of a shirt being turned inside out) by an axially mounted and powerful electron gun (like the tube of your TV).

The Conclusion

As it turns out, 815.6 Celsius is hot for ordinary materials, but is actually a very cold temperature in plasma physics -- note that the photosphere of the sun (its cold (!) outer edge) has a temperature in the neighborhood of 6000 C. Experimentally, the biggest problem in generating (and sustaining) a plasma at a temperature of thousands or even low ten-thousands of degrees Celsius is that the plasma will be very susceptible to impurity radiation. In other words, rather than getting the atoms/ions in the plasma to collectively radiate as a blackbody, you'll most likely end up with lots of low-charge-state atomic and ion radiation. Consider the discharge in a fluorescent tube, for example -- the electrical discharge in the tube excites a few high-energy emission lines, and those photons then excite the fluorescent material lining the tube, producing a broad-band spectrum we perceive as nearly-white light.

If Adamantium changes state at 815.6 Celsius, I submit that this is no match to any type of plasma device.
 
2005-03-18 10:46:22 AM  
You'reWrong

Non-Canon. The shield predates the discovery of adamantium by decades. The confusion is understandable, a lot of people get their marvel trivia from cards and handbooks instead of going to the source.
 
2005-03-18 10:46:45 AM  
I can't believe I'm about to comment on this........

As for the "light saber would cut through the entire planet" line, the blade would be activate only as long as the supporting electronics were. As soon as the grip hit something hot enough to melt a wire or two, or got cut, you'd have a well-buried piece of junk.

Man, I am SO ashamed.
 
2005-03-18 10:47:04 AM  
"The only two things I can recall being broken or destroyed would be Cap's shield (which has a combination of other metals in it) and Wolverine's skeleton during the Infinity Gauntlet series."

The Scarlett Witch cracked Ultron.

And Schling Flo, Wolverine has indeed cut through the Hulk, issue 338 I believe he rammed his claws through Hulk's chest out the back. The Hulk drops and Wolverine leaves and in the coolest scene ever, he sniffs the air and says you gotta be kidding me, turns around and Smart Hulk is standing there with this shiat eating grin. :-D
 
2005-03-18 10:47:11 AM  
I love this thread.
/using RageAgainstTheMachine's precedent makes sense to me
 
2005-03-18 10:47:16 AM  
Wolverine vs. Alien:

Wolverine and alien slash each other to ribbons, much of Wolverine's flesh is burned away but regenerates, Alien isn't so lucky. Unless Wolverine's bones (to which adamantium is grafted) are damaged to the point where the poor bastard just falls apart.

/32, not a virgin, just basking in the nerdosity of this thread
 
2005-03-18 10:47:50 AM  
Sorry, the correct answer is who gives a shiat.
 
2005-03-18 10:48:11 AM  
Here is an arguement I have not seen yet though. Would a light saber be able to cut a Stasis Sword as it is explained by Larry Niven in the RIngworld series.
 
2005-03-18 10:48:12 AM  
Hookersville

Just a sec...I've got that same info somewhere in my pocket-protector here...
 
2005-03-18 10:48:20 AM  
Nerds of this thread...I salute you!!!! (raises right hand to forehead with index finger and thumb in the shape of an L)
 
2005-03-18 10:48:50 AM  
Shrugging Atlas:

Oh, by the way NineInchNader, Wolverine should have never beaten Lobo. That was a travesty.

I thought some of the main fights were rather one-sided. Quicksilver vs. Flash? Oh, come on! Not even funny. However some of the single-panel fights I would very much have liked to have seen: Batman vs. Venom? farking awesome! I'd pay cash money to see that.
 
2005-03-18 10:48:53 AM  
Using admantium tipped bullets would be about as useful as using "magic missiles" to attack the darkness.

/red lightsaber camp
//this tread needs voting enabled
 
2005-03-18 10:49:16 AM  
On the same note, I am surprised that a geek somewhere hasn't asked who would win in a fight between Wolverine and Ridley Scott's alien...

Adamantium vs. caustic acid blood and spit... hmmm. That is a tough one...


Pfthh... easy... one swipe from Wolverine's claws and off goes the head.. claw might take some damage from the acid but hey it would put a "W" in Wolvermine's corner.
 
2005-03-18 10:50:36 AM  
Shrugging Atlas is right about pretty much everything as far as I can see. Now that you mention it I think you're right about the accident of the shield's creation. And it is tougher than adamantium.
 
2005-03-18 10:51:18 AM  
Fark.

Cool one minute....exponentially nerdy the next.
 
2005-03-18 10:51:21 AM  
Ok, Wolverine Adamantium vs. Star Wars lightsaber:

Lightsabers are tightly controlled energy fields, controlled by a complicated system of crystals. They cut objects through a combination of overheating and forcing the core energy field (with implied zero thickness) against the object. Energy shields and cortosis weave work by interacting with the specific energy field used to confine the energy of the lightsaber, disrupting it to the point of instability and sometimes 'breaking' the blade requiring it to be reformed.

The strength of adamantium comes from its inability to be shaped, broken, or melted after being cooled for the first time. This was simply stated as fact, so it puts the lightsaber at a disadvantage. When a lightsaber attempted to cut adamantine it would simply be immune to the melting or separating power, where as a normal object would be testing the energy required to melt the local material against the capacity of the energy cell powering the lightsaber.

Conclusion: A lightsaber would not be able to cut through adamantine, although it may heat it up quite a bit.
 
2005-03-18 10:51:23 AM  
How much heat can adamantium withstand? The lightsabre appears to be at least partially a heat weapon, as it tends to cauterize flesh wounds. Also note the specific TPM scene with QGJ and OWK (pardon the TLAs) melting through Nute Gunray's door on the Trade Federation ship, which seems to suggest that the action consists largely of heat conduction.

Adamantium must have a non-astronomical specific heat, as it can be forged, so therefore with enough heat it can probably be put into the liquid phase, though its melting point and the heat of the lightsabre are unknown quantities.

It takes it time to cut through whatever Gunray's door was, probably an iron or aluminum alloy (assuming that atomic physics is pretty much the same in the Star Wars universe and there aren't any oddball elements, except adamantium for the sake of discussion). My answer, then is this: "Yes, but slowly."

/Nerd
 
2005-03-18 10:51:34 AM  
Hookersville:

Then one night when he dozed off, some as yet unknown factor entered the process, and permitted the fusion to occur.

Chemical X anyone?
 
2005-03-18 10:51:38 AM  
Oh, by the way NineInchNader, Wolverine should have never beaten Lobo. That was a travesty.

Pissed you off too, huh? Of course, by then Lobo's writing had turned to crap and the entertaining Psychopathic version had turned into yet another lame Sociopath. He simply no longer had a competative fanbase. I blame the change on Dox for castrating him.
 
2005-03-18 10:51:39 AM  
I want to grab each and every one of you by the shoulders and violently shake you.
 
2005-03-18 10:52:05 AM  
"But in ROTS, supposedly General Grevious' magnaguard droids are armed with staffs which cannot be cut by lightsabers"

I also heard this.
 
2005-03-18 10:52:47 AM  
Not to throw another item into the mix, but I was suprised that no one mentioned Thor's hammer in all this. There was an issue about a year & a half ago where Thor dented the crap outta Cap's shield. Then after the fight he pounded it back to normal before leaving. Soooo, what does that do the the lightsabre V Adamantium debate?
 
2005-03-18 10:53:18 AM  
"Adamantium is a virtually indestructible man-made steel alloy which does not occur in nature and whose exact chemical composition is a United States government classified secret."

Not completely indestructible, just virtually.

However, "True Adamantium is nearly as strong as Captain America's shield, and is, for all practical purpose, indestructible. The degree of impermeability varies directly with the thickness of the Adamantium. A direct blow from Thor's hammer, conveyed with the thunder god's full strength, will slightly dent a solid cylinder of True Adamantium. A sufficient mass of Adamantium could survive a direct hit from a nuclear weapon."

"The extremely stable molecular structure of the Adamantium prevents it from being molded further, even if the temperature remains high enough to keep it in liquefied form. Only a device celled a Molecular Rearranger can alter the form of hardened Adamantium."

(http://www.marveldirectory.com/misc/adamantium.htm)

GWShenlong05 gave a good answer within 4 posts, though. The mass of Wolverine's Adamantium skeleton is probably not sufficient to rate "for all practical purposes, indestructible."

Wikiknowledge on lightsabers can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_saber#Lightsabers
 
2005-03-18 10:53:50 AM  
some of you know far too much about fictional technologies.
 
2005-03-18 10:54:07 AM  
It would be physically impossible for this thread to have too many pictures from any of the following movies:

Revenge of the Nerds
Any Star Wars flick
Napoloen Dynamite
Star Trek
Any comic book related movie (Spiderman, FF, etc.)

That is all.
 
2005-03-18 10:54:35 AM  
Lurker_John

Then that's like the airplane 'black box' theory. If it's so indestructible, why don't they just build the whole plane out of that stuff?

/credit to appropriate comedian in 3...2...1..
 
2005-03-18 10:55:22 AM  
Chemical X anyone?

Oh, god... Power Puff Girls vs. Totaly Spies armed with Light Sabres and Adamantium shields...
 
2005-03-18 10:55:46 AM  
Yes a lightsabre can cut through adamantium. A true jedi/sith would be a force to be reconed with in a super human world. A good force choke and your going down.. wolverine wouldn't stand a chance again a higher powered sith/jedi.
 
2005-03-18 10:55:58 AM  
For thos who apparently don't know how to relax and have fun go fark yourselves. Oh, I'm gonna be witty and call people nerds and virgins. I'm so smart!
 
2005-03-18 10:56:07 AM  
The unknown iron-Vibranium alloy of which the shield is composed resembles True Adamantium, although Adamantium itself contains no Vibranium,

Thank you, Hookerville, I couldn't have said it better myself. I hope that puts to rest this debate. Now on to more pressing matters.

Who here's read the story where the Green Goblin nails Spidey's girlfriend, knocks her up, and then kills her because she won't let him see his kids?

/JMS sucks. As does Chuck Austen
 
2005-03-18 10:56:48 AM  
therealburkazoid

You couldn't be more correct. The side fights were far more entertaining. I'm a far greater fan of Marvel, (Batman is the only DC character I'm fond of), but frankly the DC universe should squash Marvel's.
 
2005-03-18 10:58:55 AM  
TinyPrancer shut up, it's a public forum and if some of us want to nerd bash we can, it doesn't mean you have to read the nerd bashin post

/I'm a geek, but some of you are geek to the tenth power
 
2005-03-18 10:59:42 AM  
eye wuz ear

some of you know far too much about fictional technologies.

Dude, I pull fictional technologies out of my ass as a hobby, like demon-killing HERF guns.
 
2005-03-18 10:59:57 AM  
Irrelevant question. Besides, Alan Scott and Hal Jordan, da first two Green Lanterns, owns all you suckas.
[image from auntie.com too old to be available][image from auntie.com too old to be available]

/I'm just sayin'...
 
2005-03-18 11:00:34 AM  
JMS sucks

Bite your tongue biatch.
 
2005-03-18 11:00:53 AM  
eye wuz ear, go fark your self. If your too good for the thread then get out.
 
2005-03-18 11:01:10 AM  
Have any of you nerds ever even seen a vagina?

/obscure?
 
2005-03-18 11:01:46 AM  
THIS THREAD is why I enjoy getting my news from Fark.

Thank you for proving there are living nerds as cool as me.
 
2005-03-18 11:02:02 AM  
You're missing one, Master of the Flying... what? Those things fly now?

[image from gulacy.com too old to be available]
 
2005-03-18 11:02:05 AM  
Shrugging Atlas

I'm a far greater fan of Marvel, (Batman is the only DC character I'm fond of), but frankly the DC universe should squash Marvel's.

Did you read Avengers/JLA? Because that's exactly what happened. Wonder Woman took out half of the Avengers by herself, and Thor had his ass handed to him by Superman.
 
2005-03-18 11:02:29 AM  
Saint of Killers, if I didn't like JMS' other books so much I would have dropped them completely when he screwed with Gwen Stacy. I just can't fathom that Marvel let him do that.
 
2005-03-18 11:03:00 AM  
Programmer Cat so when you pull out the fiction technologies does it hurt? or is the pain only fictional?

TinyPrancer dude calm the fark down before I take your pocket protector away. I wasn't taking a shot at you I was mearly stating a fact.
 
2005-03-18 11:03:04 AM  
I hate threads like these. I always come in too late. Like the Superman vs Thor thread. Anyone with half a brain knows Superman would take him, but yet in the Fark comments, it was said to be contrary. In fact, someone used a page from the comic where Superman *beat* Thor to argue otherwise. Curse my tardiness.
 
2005-03-18 11:03:32 AM  
NTidd6

Have any of you nerds ever even seen a vagina?

I licked my wife's before I went to work this morning.

/console rpg geek
/knows that Elric could make Drizzt his biatch
 
2005-03-18 11:04:22 AM  
And, as we've come to learn, acute Elvis deficiency causes Parkinson's Disease.


If I'm allergic to Elvis can I get a supplement of some sort?

/I'm made of adamantium, suckah!
 
2005-03-18 11:04:22 AM  
shiat, I wish I could hang around for the rest of this thread. I gotta go pick up the old lady....damn women...
 
2005-03-18 11:04:36 AM  
On closer inspection, the magnaguard's droids staffs are not made of any hard material, but are themselves like an energy weapon.

"As see in the Star Wars databank under General Grievous.
The tall MagnaGuard droids wield a special electrostaff pole coursing with energy, allowing them to parry lightsaber attacks."
 
2005-03-18 11:04:37 AM  
NineInchNader

That was the OG guy with the Lantern that Alan got, right? The one powered by the Malthusian Starheart, if I'm not mistaken. If so, his story always made me feel that Alan's weakness to wood wasn't so bad.

And, oh yes, Guillotines do fly -- fly to kill the one-armed boxer!
 
2005-03-18 11:05:28 AM  
Mugato

Then again, cortosis is an EU (expanded universe, meaning not in the actual films) and therefore doesn't really exist. Everything in the films does. Or did. Thank you.

Preach on! The Expanded Universe is nothing short of heresy.
 
2005-03-18 11:06:05 AM  
eye wuz ear

so when you pull out the fiction technologies does it hurt? or is the pain only fictional?

Well, the demon-killing HERF gun hurt a bit, and the human-emulating AI built from nanomechs stretched me out for a few days.
 
2005-03-18 11:07:17 AM  
Master of the Hovering Safety Razor, nope, that's Jong Li, the first human approached by a member of the Green Lantern Corps to be this sector's Green Lantern.
 
2005-03-18 11:07:19 AM  
Ummm if lightsabres are so powerful how come the rails on the cloud city of bespin were able to deflect them (Vader Luke fight ESB)?

How come the sabre 'bounced off' the railing on the DS in ROTJ?

Sabres arent nearly as powerful as everyone thinks, it's just that metals in the SWU are basically as tough as silly putty. Blasters prove this again and again.

Adamantium doesn't need to be indestructible to fend off a lightsabre.

Wolverine vs a Jedi or Sith:
Result: Dead Jedi or Sith.

Wolverine vs lots of Jedi or Siths:
Result: Lots of dead Jedi or Siths.

Case closed thank you for playing.
 
2005-03-18 11:08:13 AM  
The Saint of Killers:

Non-Canon. The shield predates the discovery of adamantium by decades. The confusion is understandable, a lot of people get their marvel trivia from cards and handbooks instead of going to the source.


Yeah, the offical handbook of the marvel universe wouldn't be a good source for offical handbook material.

Can't you just admit that the farking shield has andamantium in it?
 
2005-03-18 11:09:05 AM  
Guillotine

Good name / good movie
 
2005-03-18 11:09:28 AM  
I think I have learned to appreciate these posts (like the blackhole one yesterday).

The consequence of these 'nerd-magnet' posts is that all the really funny links and the good boobies links don't get farked, and I can enjoy them while all the nerds are fapping to girls posting shiate about light sabers.
 
2005-03-18 11:09:33 AM  
CatholicSamurai

Jesus, do you even read comics?
 
2005-03-18 11:09:54 AM  
I just wanted to add to the above comments that adamantium, as hard as it is, cannot "destroy" partials. Matter cannot be created of destroyed. It can change shape and form. If you fired a bullet at superman and he did deflect it the probability is that the energy from the moving bullet would knock them both down/away from each other. Newton's Third law "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." They would just transfer the kinetic energy from one to the other.

As far as the adamantium vs. lightsaber goes....if adamantium is indestructible the moment it hardens then even a lightsaber couldn't melt it again. It would however probably get really really hot and thus the bearer of the lightsaber would probably when the battle against adamantium claws.
 
2005-03-18 11:10:13 AM  
kasarul: Wolverine can't touch a Jedi thanks to force powers. If it was a normal person with a lightsaber, sure. But with force powers, the Jedi can backflip and lightning the living hell out of Wolverine before even gets close.
 
2005-03-18 11:12:08 AM  
The Saint of Killers

Did you read Avengers/JLA? Because that's exactly what happened. Wonder Woman took out half of the Avengers by herself, and Thor had his ass handed to him by Superman.

I didn't know that, but I'm glad to hear it. JLA is simply the most powerful group of super heroes ever assembled.

If I were to get back into reading comics (I stopped in the last 90's but still follow things in Wizard, for all its faults), JLA would be tops on my list.

Also, Marvel needs to bring back the Deadpool title. That was the only comic that ever made me laugh out loud.
 
2005-03-18 11:12:28 AM  
portnoyd

Wolverine can't touch a Jedi thanks to force powers. If it was a normal person with a lightsaber, sure. But with force powers, the Jedi can backflip and lightning the living hell out of Wolverine before even gets close.

1) You're assuming that Wolverine wouldn't try to bushwhack the Jedi.

2) Wolverine, based on the movies and the few comics I read as a kid, is one stubborn motherfrkker. The Schwartz might not be enough.
 
2005-03-18 11:13:24 AM  
[image from planetnintendo.com too old to be available]
 
2005-03-18 11:14:30 AM  
canaryfarmer

Final Fantasy (original) was the beginning of the end for me.
 
2005-03-18 11:14:54 AM  
Adamantium?
Lightsaber?

They both sound made up to me? But then I again, I don't get to stay in often.
 
2005-03-18 11:15:03 AM  
Im like.. reading fark.. by using the Knoppix (linux) OS... pretty cool stuff

LIGHTSABRES PWN ALL SUPER HEROS
 
2005-03-18 11:15:06 AM  
Master of the Flying Guillotine

The best Green Lantern will and always has been Guy Gardner. None of those punks even comes close.

TinyPrancer

I just can't fathom that Marvel let him do that.


Sure they would, just like they're letting Bendis screw with the Avengers right now. Don't worry though. In a couple of years they'll get Geoff Johns or Kurt Busiek or James Robinson to change everything back to the way it should have been all along.
 
2005-03-18 11:15:16 AM  
"kasarul: Wolverine can't touch a Jedi thanks to force powers. If it was a normal person with a lightsaber, sure. But with force powers, the Jedi can backflip and lightning the living hell out of Wolverine before even gets close."

You mean like Obi-Wan did against Jango Fett? I missed the backflip part as all I saw was Obi-Wan getting his hands tied, being knocked around by ill-aimed rockets and blaster fire and losing in fist fight.
Oh wait you mean like how that Jedi was gunned down by Jango Fett when he landed on the balcony... Oh wait.
No, you mean how Mace Windu backflipped against that charging rhino monster and didn't end up losing his sabre nor did he end up knocked to the ground...

Oh wait.

I can provide proof all day long about how badly Jedis and Sith suck. Please either provide canonical proof to support your position or capitulate.
 
2005-03-18 11:15:27 AM  
canaryfarmer, who's the moran that didn't put his fighter through class change before tackling the Mirage Tower and the Sky Castle?
 
2005-03-18 11:15:53 AM  
"As far as the adamantium vs. lightsaber goes....if adamantium is indestructible the moment it hardens then even a lightsaber couldn't melt it again. It would however probably get really really hot and thus the bearer of the lightsaber would probably when the battle against adamantium claws."

Im assuming that adamantium can conduct heat. I could be wrong on that.
 
2005-03-18 11:16:08 AM  
I must say it is sad how much some of these people calling themselves nerds know about fictional science without any apparent understanding of actual physics or chemistry. I'm basing this mainly from reading some of the early posts, I got bored and skipped to the end. True nerds know real science - which helps us make real money in the real world.
 
2005-03-18 11:16:53 AM  
Didn't read the entire thread, but a few things.

Adamantium is made through a chemical reaction. Once hardened it's impossible to bend, cut, etc.

Super-man's bullet proofedness comes from his tactile telekinesis. Not common knowledge.

Captain America's shield is a vibranium/adamantium alloy.

/random
 
2005-03-18 11:17:11 AM  
themessenjah

LIGHTSABRES PWN ALL SUPER HEROS

Yeah, but Han Solo gets the pussy in the end. And he shoots first, too.
 
2005-03-18 11:17:27 AM  
NineInchNader: Wolverine should have never beaten Lobo. That was a travesty.

Didn't they have to write it that way because the outcome was based on votes? My favorite was the Aquaman vs. Namor fight, even though Namor should have won. You just can't beat seeing a big orca come flying out of the water and landing on Namor to smoosh him.

There was also a What if... where Wolverine went to an alternate universe and killed Conan. I think he lost a hand, though, perhaps by magic?
 
2005-03-18 11:18:15 AM  
I did'nt check the whole thread... But back away from the computer and get out of the basement now.
 
2005-03-18 11:19:08 AM  
mark110468
True nerds know real science - which helps us make real money in the real world.

werd.
 
2005-03-18 11:19:11 AM  
Where was the JLA when doomsday came calling eh?

/Marvel fan
 
2005-03-18 11:19:14 AM  
NineInchNader

Ahhh... Gotcha. How was that series? Is it in TPB?

So, let me rephrase...

Alan Scott and Hal Jordan would still own all you suckas!
 
2005-03-18 11:19:22 AM  
There was also a What if... where Wolverine went to an alternate universe and killed Conan.

Didn't see that one, but my favorite What If will always be Tony Stark, Sorcerer Supreme. Now there was an undeniable badass that would own every reference in this thread.
 
2005-03-18 11:20:13 AM  
Programmer Cat:

1) You're assuming that Wolverine wouldn't try to bushwhack the Jedi.

This is very true. I think a Sith Lord wouldn't worry, because he would probably sense how farking crazy Wolvie would be, and just toast his arse extra crispy.

However a Jedi would probably be skewered post haste. Judging by how on the ball they are in the prequel trilogy, they wouldn't realize Wolvie is a threat until they've lost a few limbs and a pint of blood.

2) Wolverine, based on the movies and the few comics I read as a kid, is one stubborn motherfrkker. The Schwartz might not be enough.

Keeping him down would be tough, but the nature of their power should allow them to turtle long enough to wear him down.

Now if it was the Schwartz Wolvie was up against, then Yogurt would probably convince him to license himself up (much like real life) for Wolverine: The T-Shirt, Wolverine: The Lunchbox, Wolverine: The Breakfast Cereal, Wolverine: The Coloring Book, Wolverine: The FLAMETHROWER (The kids love this one), and lastly, Wolverine: The Doll (May da sknit be wit you).

Adorable.
 
2005-03-18 11:20:56 AM  
"Where was the JLA when doomsday came calling eh?"

They fought him and got WTFPWNED.
Although it was a rather weak version of the JLA at the time.

/Marvel fan as well
 
2005-03-18 11:21:08 AM  
Ahhh... Gotcha. How was that series? Is it in TPB?

Only three issues to the series, so I'm not sure if it was ever put to trade.

Not bad, the artwork was nice in spots and Jade Moon had a sweet ass. Rrroowwwrr...
 
2005-03-18 11:21:13 AM  
who's the moran that didn't put his fighter through class change before tackling the Mirage Tower and the Sky Castle?

Someone so badass, they didn't need to.
 
2005-03-18 11:21:17 AM  
My plus ten Gamwar axe could take 'em both.
 
2005-03-18 11:21:48 AM  
The Saint of Killers

Guy's okay because of his attitude, but I think Alan's got the experience and Hal's the fearless hero thing down.

btw, Preacher rules.

/you gotta be one of the good guys, son, because there's way too much of the bad out there
//or something like that
 
2005-03-18 11:23:22 AM  
Geeker026 - Where was the JLA when doomsday came calling eh?

/Marvel fan


The JLA fought Doomsday alongside Superman, although it was a pretty lame incarnation of the JLA sporting such luminaries as Ice Maiden, Booster Gold and Bloodwynd.

/Formerly a marvel zombie, now all about the DC
 
2005-03-18 11:23:30 AM  
The Saint of Killers: Jesus, do you even read comics?

Nope, never in my life. Haven't touched one.


Kangaroo_Ralph:

Didn't they have to write it that way because the outcome was based on votes? My favorite was the Aquaman vs. Namor fight, even though Namor should have won. You just can't beat seeing a big orca come flying out of the water and landing on Namor to smoosh him.

Lobo sucks donkey ass. Wolverine has fought tougher chumps than that douche-bag in a one-off comic that is used to tie people over for the next story arch.

The real freaking travesty in Marvel VS DC that Cap lost to Batman. I'm sorry, but DC writers write their chracters like they are indestructable. Cap should have won that freaking match, and the voters who voted for Batman are complete idiots.

Let's see. A guy with spectacular dective and fighting skills vs a guy who is probably the best field general in comic history, has the best physical condition that you can have and still be considered a normal human and has been fighting more than just street thugs the majority of his career.

No freaking contest.
 
2005-03-18 11:23:54 AM  
NineInchNader

Heck, if I spent some a little cash getting the full run of the 25-issue android Hourman series, I can spend some on the kung-fu Lantern series. Will look out for it.
 
2005-03-18 11:24:09 AM  
canaryfarmer

Someone so badass, they didn't need to.

Ah. Me, I grab every advantage I can get without cheating. If I wanted a hard game of FF, I'd use a Monk, a Red Mage, a White Mage, and a Black Mage.
 
2005-03-18 11:25:47 AM  
Can Fark fark /. or would /. fark Fark?
 
2005-03-18 11:25:53 AM  
justin2209:

"As far as the adamantium vs. lightsaber goes....if adamantium is indestructible the moment it hardens then even a lightsaber couldn't melt it again. It would however probably get really really hot and thus the bearer of the lightsaber would probably when the battle against adamantium claws."

Im assuming that adamantium can conduct heat. I could be wrong on that.



It can conduct heat, but still survive. In an issue of X-Men before they did yet another (well needed) "restart" Phoenix and Wolverine were on a spaceship that was plummeting to the sun. Wolverine got roasted up good, but the skeleton was still intact.
 
2005-03-18 11:25:55 AM  
Actually, as all good star wars geeks know, there is an ore that shorts out/counteracts the lightsaber. It begins with a C, but I don't quite remember the name of it, as it has been years since I've read any of the novels. It appears in Zahn's triology, his duology, and at least a few other books (I'm thinking of the book on Corran Horn that is outside of the X-Wing series.)

/damn, I'm terrible with names
//when I get home, I think I'll reread some of my collection
 
2005-03-18 11:26:16 AM  
"This is very true. I think a Sith Lord wouldn't worry, because he would probably sense how farking crazy Wolvie would be, and just toast his arse extra crispy."

The same way the Emporer sensed that Vader was going to grab him from behind and throw his ass down a well?

Also, Force lightning is slow as molasses, Wolverine would simply dodge it or heck let it hit him and regenerate from it's weak power. When Luke is Force fried in ROTJ, the surrounding area is hit by Force lightining including a few metal barrels that remain unscathed. Force lightning doesn't even burn clothing (it barely makes it smolder) as evidenced by several scenes.

Sorry but again, Wolverine makes a mockery of ANY Force user.
 
2005-03-18 11:26:37 AM  
This is a new low. Not only is this one of the nerdiest threads ever...but, I'm actually making a comment in it.

I should have been able to ignore this discussion. What's happening to me?!?!?!??!
 
2005-03-18 11:27:07 AM  
[image from photodump.com too old to be available]


Can't believe I read this whole thread let alone posted to it.
 
2005-03-18 11:27:17 AM  
ah, cortosis ore. That was what I was thinking of. Thanks, self, for looking like a jackass and not reading.

/no problem, self
 
2005-03-18 11:29:12 AM  
Yes, but could a lightsaber or adamantium claws cut the ring? Could Frodo's quest be ended by a jedi?
 
2005-03-18 11:29:23 AM  
NathanAllen

"I thought that lightsabers didn't generate any heat, although that would probably not be true otherwise Luke would have bled to death after his dad went a bit too far with the corporal punishment."

Lightsabers only generate heat when they are in contact with a conductive material. This is due to the fact that the lightsaber contains a extremely high density of magnetic flux that rotates at the third harmonic of the emitter crystals natural frequency. This extremely high rate of rotation causes eddy currents within the material in an area of one half the wavelenth of the rotation frequency.
 
2005-03-18 11:29:27 AM  
Can rock really crush sissors? How big must the rock be?
 
2005-03-18 11:30:07 AM  
I can provide proof all day long about how badly Jedis and Sith suck. Please either provide canonical proof to support your position or capitulate.

Well, two things come into play here:

1. Main characters vs. extras.
Oh wait you mean like how that Jedi was gunned down by Jango Fett when he landed on the balcony... Oh wait.

Some noname Jedi is going to take out a main character. Right. This is a movie, keep this in mind.

2. God mode is not as fun.
You mean like Obi-Wan did against Jango Fett? I missed the backflip part as all I saw was Obi-Wan getting his hands tied, being knocked around by ill-aimed rockets and blaster fire and losing in fist fight.
No, you mean how Mace Windu backflipped against that charging rhino monster and didn't end up losing his sabre nor did he end up knocked to the ground...


Again, this is a fantasy situation, and more importantly, a movie. Watching a Jedi kick untold amounts of arse is fun, but adding tension and making the fight even (when, on paper, it shouldn't be) is what a movie is all about.

Even more importantly, this is a movie series by George Lucas. He's going to do whatever he can to make this series NOT cool.

If a Jedi wasn't held down by the laws of moviedom, I still think that the Jedi would come out on top over Wolverine.
 
2005-03-18 11:30:08 AM  
themessenjah: LIGHTSABRES PWN ALL SUPER HEROS

I'm gunna throw out my tardiness to the thread (The lady wouldn't let me out of bed) and suggest the possible matups of either... Dark Phoenix or Silver Surfer vs. Masses of Jedi/Sith and put my money on SS and DP, Also Magneto would have a field day (that whole slowing the iron in your blood to cause clotting in your arteries so your heart would stop) in which case you could add Iceman to the fun as he could easily freeze all of the water in your body...

/A marvel fan from a young age
//Doesn't care about real science
 
2005-03-18 11:30:45 AM  
icy_one:

I think the real question is, who would win in a fight between Batman and a lightsaber?


What the hell kind of fanboy are you?! In a fight against anyone, Batman always wins!
 
2005-03-18 11:31:49 AM  
Failing_Junk:

NathanAllen

"I thought that lightsabers didn't generate any heat, although that would probably not be true otherwise Luke would have bled to death after his dad went a bit too far with the corporal punishment."

Lightsabers only generate heat when they are in contact with a conductive material. This is due to the fact that the lightsaber contains a extremely high density of magnetic flux that rotates at the third harmonic of the emitter crystals natural frequency. This extremely high rate of rotation causes eddy currents within the material in an area of one half the wavelenth of the rotation frequency.


Dude, I, for one, can sit there an recite all the special armors that Iron Man has had through the years and I have every figure from the Iron Man series but you have just defeated me in Nerd Knowledge.

/passes the crown
//The king is dead! Long live the king!
 
2005-03-18 11:32:05 AM  
This is kind of a moot arguement. You are assuming that anything made of adamantium would get close enough to a lightsaber to even test everyones theories on the subject.

To get a lightsaber, you have to be a Jedi, or Sith. Both are trained in the Force. Think Darth Maul vs Wolverine... why bother swinging a lightsaber when you can just force choke the bejeezus out of someone, or bury them under a pile of rubble, simply by thinking it?

Excuse me, my pocket protector is showing.
 
2005-03-18 11:32:12 AM  
I'm breaking a New Year's resolution to stop wasting time posting to Fark but this is the best thread in the history of time.

My take: lightsabers can cut through adamantium. Not sure about how long it would take but it could.

Reasoning?

1. I like Star Wars more than Marvel.

2. I'd want a lightsaber more than an adamantium skeleton/shield/whatever. Mostly because it looks cooler, not for purely practical reasons.

3. While it's been stipulated that adamantium can't be destroyed, it's clear that it can be at least bent. It also seems that it can't be melted after it hardens. Fine. However, I haven't seen any comments about it's transition from a solid to a gas, just solid to liquid. If the plasma of a lightsaber blade are of the right temperature, they might excite the adamantium molecules (or atoms?) to the point where they become either a gas or part of the plasma stream.

If you refer to Phantom Menace and the Clone Wars cartoons, lightsabers seem to melt through metal doors. God knows what the doors are made of. Perhaps they are going molten or perhaps the door material adjacent to the blade are just heated by the metal vapor ejected from the blade.

Now perhaps a lightsaber won't be able to cut through adamantium by melting it and pushing it aside but I'm guessing that it could vaporize it. Again, this wouldn't necessarily be quick; a fight between a Jedi and an adamantium droid might last to the point where the Jedi looses simply due to sleep deprivation or dies of thirst. A Jedi/Wolverine fight would probably go to the Jedi since the Jedi could probably remove all of Logan's tissue before his healing factor could compensate. I don't think he could live without organs or with a severed spinal cord.

Now as for Superman, I'm not sure how he's stand up to a lightsaber but he can survive a nuclear blast (Dark Knight Returns) so you can take that however you want. But as the Death of Superman taught us, (post-crisis) Superman can be killed simply by beating him up enough. Thus, if he is railgunned by enough railguns firing adamantium slugs at sufficient energy for long enough, I'm sure he would succumb. It would have to hurt him faster than his ability to hearl of course. He'd have to be patient or suicidal though. If he's suicidal, kryptonite is much more practical.

/believe it or not, I've had sex as recently as last weekend.
 
2005-03-18 11:32:34 AM  
Cut through the administration?

What's that sound?

Sounds like... turbine engines.

OH NOES, BLACK HELICOPALJFASLDHAHfasAHHAHH
 
2005-03-18 11:32:48 AM  
2005-03-18 11:30:07 AM portnoyd

If it weren't for the laws of moviedom, Jedis wouldn't even exist. Woah, paradox!
 
2005-03-18 11:32:50 AM  
If somebody had bothered to just say "infinity plus one" at the start of this thread, we could avoided all of this unpleasantness.
 
2005-03-18 11:32:51 AM  
I could debate this all day, but eventually i'd neeed to get high to continue. And for the record, Final Fantasy rules, except 11, MMORPG was the worst idea for Finaly Fantasy.
 
2005-03-18 11:32:58 AM  
nightninja76

What the hell kind of fanboy are you?! In a fight against anyone, Batman always wins!

A friend of mine once said, "Batman will always win a fight because Batman cheats."

Have to agree.
 
2005-03-18 11:33:13 AM  
For the record, Superman can move very fast. Say a random Jedi on one side and an expert marksman with an adamantium bullet loaded rifle. So batman told him that jedi can use mental powers, so to be careful, so superman just flies at ungodly speed towards the jedi (spinning the earth on it's axis type of speed). Force powers or not, even from a couple of hundred feet, the jedi has no chance to react and Superman will simply rip his head off. Then just as fast, Superman could hurl the Jedi's head at the marksman so fast that it would burst into flames on the way there and the burning jedi skull would fly into the marksman at such devastating speed, it would kill him instantly. So even if Adamantium and a lightsaber could penetrate Superman's skin, we'll never really know. Now, if you gave a lightsaber to Flash...

But a Jedi would know that Superman is about to move long before Superman did, and could thus move to counteract this, assuming the Jedi was not in the mood for a well-timed snap-hiss to seriously injur Superman. Also, you forget that Jedi were capable of devastating speed due to their accessing pretty much the fabric of the universe.

Also, what if such a fight were to happen outside of Earth? Would Superman even leave Earth knowing that he would be less than worthless?

More interesting I think would be a pissed off, Dark-side Luke (from the comics) moving against a series of more conventional comic book characters. That would be something worth seeing.
 
2005-03-18 11:33:27 AM  
So what happens if you take Death's scythe or sword and try to slice through Adamantium or Superman or a lightsabre?

I mean, the scythe and sword cut atoms apart and cut the life from a body, and we know there's no defense against Death, so....
 
2005-03-18 11:33:57 AM  
Oh com on! This one's easy. It's just like the irresistible force meets the immovable object... The universe will simply cease to exist.
 
2005-03-18 11:34:15 AM  
Programmer Cat:
/knows that Elric could make Drizzt his biatch

Oh c'mon... that's just wishful thinking. I love Elric, too, but Drizzt would make mincemeat of him before he could pull his sword out of its scabbard or mutter a spell (which would prove fruitless against Drizzt anyway). Personally, I'd like to see Solomon Kane take them both down, but I know it wouldn't happen. I'd just have to placate myself knowing that they'd both go to hell after they died.

CatholicSamurai

You're right about Batman vs. Capt. America, but it would have to be an honorable fight, and no time for Batman to prepare. If Batman was tracking Cap in order to kill him, Cap would die. A closer contest would be Batman vs. Daredevil, but Batman would win that one, too. Batman has had more writers than any other fictional character in history, and they all honed their writing skills making him win, even when the odds were against him.
 
2005-03-18 11:34:30 AM  
The same way the Emporer sensed that Vader was going to grab him from behind and throw his ass down a well?

Wolverine is an obvious enemy, Vader was an obvious ally. Anyway, Vader was kicking Luke's arse moments before.. it was kind of a split second decision.

Force lightning doesn't even burn clothing (it barely makes it smolder) as evidenced by several scenes.

But it kept Anakin's arse down on the ground in Episode II for a good 2-3 minutes. Granted, he's a pussy, but the point is it doesn't burn, it disables.

This nerd fight is fun, and killing time at work. Yay!
 
2005-03-18 11:35:28 AM  
onew0rd:

For the record, Superman can move very fast. Say a random Jedi on one side and an expert marksman with an adamantium bullet loaded rifle. So batman told him that jedi can use mental powers, so to be careful, so superman just flies at ungodly speed towards the jedi (spinning the earth on it's axis type of speed). Force powers or not, even from a couple of hundred feet, the jedi has no chance to react and Superman will simply rip his head off. Then just as fast, Superman could hurl the Jedi's head at the marksman so fast that it would burst into flames on the way there and the burning jedi skull would fly into the marksman at such devastating speed, it would kill him instantly. So even if Adamantium and a lightsaber could penetrate Superman's skin, we'll never really know. Now, if you gave a lightsaber to Flash...

I object! Jedi or Sith for that matters could anticpate the future few moments ahead and therefore, could get out of the way before superman rams into them. The Jedi then, could simply use the force to raise superman and do all kinds of tricks (stun, force scream, etc etc) and then use the lightsaber to cut him down.

/Plays KOTOR:SL
//Stands down his geek alert
 
2005-03-18 11:35:31 AM  
null


I mean, the scythe and sword cut atoms apart and cut the life from a body, and we know there's no defense against Death, so....


No defense against Death? Tell it to Simon Belmont.
 
2005-03-18 11:36:55 AM  
icy_one:f it weren't for the laws of moviedom, Jedis wouldn't even exist. Woah, paradox!

gahhhhh paradox i'm melting into a pile of nerd soup nooooo...
 
2005-03-18 11:37:14 AM  
SpiffyandRedhot:

This is kind of a moot arguement. You are assuming that anything made of adamantium would get close enough to a lightsaber to even test everyones theories on the subject.

To get a lightsaber, you have to be a Jedi, or Sith. Both are trained in the Force. Think Darth Maul vs Wolverine... why bother swinging a lightsaber when you can just force choke the bejeezus out of someone, or bury them under a pile of rubble, simply by thinking it?

Excuse me, my pocket protector is showing.



What is the Force considered? If it is some kind of mental power, then Wolverine has probably had enough shielding from mental attacks to stop it?

A true geek fight would be between who is regonized as the greatest Force weilder and someone like Phoenix. Someone who is supposedly supposted to be the most in-tuned to the power of the universe vs someone who is the manifestation of the power of the universe.
 
2005-03-18 11:37:17 AM  
Building a light saber is much simpler than it sounds. First, as far as materials go, there are a number of different things which you need to consider. What color do you want your light saber to be? In my opinion, its best to have one that brings out the color of your eyes. Light saber color relies exclusively on the color of the magnetic crystals that you use. I usually use Covergirl #47 Fire Engine Red, but the choice is up to you. You will also need some sort of handle and light source---I recommend a cardboard handle, as it is usually the easiest to find, but again, the choice is yours. I have seen light saber handles made from wood, Chinese finger traps, a pair of Elvis' TCB sunglass frames, and even the state of Vermont, so have fun! For a light source, you can use a simple flashlight.

Place one of your magnetic crystals on your flashlight, but DO NOT TURN THE FLASHLIGHT ON YET, OR YOU WILL SEND OUT AN INFINITE BEAM OF LIGHT THAT WILL CUT THE UNIVERSE IN TWO. Place the other crystal three feet above the flashlight---if the magnetic frequencies line up, you should have yourself a crystal hovering in the air directly above your light source and handle. What causes a light saber to work is the light going from one magnetic crystal to another, and reflecting directly back into the first crystal. I know its difficult to follow, but this is the very essence of the intensity that causes light sabers to be so bright that they attract a shadow of dark matter wherever they go. Turn it on, and let er rip!

The one danger of staging a light saber battle, I should warn you, is coming into contact with a person who has a light saber with the same magnetic frequencies as you. If this happens, both of your top magnetic crystals will fall off (or cancel each other out), and THEY WILL BOTH BECOME INFINITE BEAMS OF LIGHT THAT WILL CUT THE UNIVERSE IN TWO. A safe way to combat this is to test you and your friends light sabers out before you battle each other to the death. Also remember that light sabers can be used to cauterize wounds and make toast.

http://www.lostinfront.com/cogs/duax/101302.html
 
2005-03-18 11:38:02 AM  
WAIT, Lets save all of you from a nerdy hell and answer an old question

Mike Ditka would beat hurricane Ditka. This is because the hurricane is actually just trying to be as cool as the real Mike Ditka. Ditka would just own the hurricane by the same name. It would be interesting to watch. Now the real question is, who would win the indy 500? Jeff Gordin, or DAAA' Bears Bus? Keep in mind that Ditka is driving the bus. I will give you a bit of time to decide before giving my input
 
2005-03-18 11:38:03 AM  
Null I'd have to check my sources but I believe that the Ribbon from FF protects against death/stone/sleep/poison/confusion.
 
2005-03-18 11:38:17 AM  
So who is whipping out the Magic cards?
 
2005-03-18 11:38:48 AM  
Yes, but could a lightsaber or adamantium claws cut the ring? Could Frodo's quest be ended by a jedi?

Ohh that's a whole new can of worms but I think lightsaber yes, adamantium no. Some lousy lava can melt that ring; I would like to think a lightsaber could too.
 
2005-03-18 11:39:25 AM  
Programmer Cat:

null

I mean, the scythe and sword cut atoms apart and cut the life from a body, and we know there's no defense against Death, so....

No defense against Death? Tell it to Simon Belmont.



Dude... you stand in the corner and throw cross boomerangs. If you are in a castle and trying to get body parts, just dodge the scythes and throw crystals.

/Flame whip, fool.
 
2005-03-18 11:39:29 AM  
Kangaroo_Ralph

Oh c'mon... that's just wishful thinking. I love Elric, too, but Drizzt would make mincemeat of him before he could pull his sword out of its scabbard or mutter a spell (which would prove fruitless against Drizzt anyway).

Maybe, maybe not. I only read one Salvatore novel, compared to grabbing everything by Moorcock that I could. Personally, I think Richard Rahl could pwn both their asses if he's in his "I'm going to kick some frkking ass" mode and not his "let's channel Ayn Rand" mode.
 
2005-03-18 11:40:54 AM  
CatholicSamurai - The real freaking travesty in Marvel VS DC that Cap lost to Batman. I'm sorry, but DC writers write their chracters like they are indestructable. Cap should have won that freaking match, and the voters who voted for Batman are complete idiots.

At last, we agree on something! Batman has devoted himself to several disciplines including criminology, escape artistry, running Wayne Enterprises, etc. Captain America knows nothing but combat. Batman may be willing to cheat, but Captain America is willing to kill and that's a far more effective way of winning a fight.

Master of the Flying Guillotine

What the hell kind of fanboy are you?! In a fight against anyone, Batman always wins!

A friend of mine once said, "Batman will always win a fight because Batman cheats."


Two words: Broken Back.
 
2005-03-18 11:40:59 AM  
"If a Jedi wasn't held down by the laws of moviedom, I still think that the Jedi would come out on top over Wolverine."

Although I understand and agree with you to a certain extent, for the purposes of debate you gotta take what ya get. So movies are to be based as fact and therefor we have to assume that a Jedi/Sith will perform exactly as they do on screen. Otherwise we are merely making stuff up to support our positions...

Wolverine also is poorly written from time to time...

Executioners Song:
Wolverine; "Took a point blank shot from Gauntlet, ribs shattered lung punctured, gimme sec for my healing factor to kick in.."

Marvel did retract the scene though so his adamantium is still unbreakable.
 
2005-03-18 11:41:04 AM  
Ugh...the nerdiness. My head asplode.
 
2005-03-18 11:41:16 AM  
CatholicSamurai

Dude... you stand in the corner and throw cross boomerangs. If you are in a castle and trying to get body parts, just dodge the scythes and throw crystals.

Cross boomerangs? Screw that. I just get in the bastard's face and whip his arse.

/never uses those silly items. just the whip, or the sword if playing SOTN...
 
2005-03-18 11:43:35 AM  
CatholicSamurai
Remember how disoriented Obi-wan was when Alderaan was destroyed? Imagine how bad off a Jedi would be when Dark Phoenix absorbs a star. Dark Phoenix wins, easily.
/Unless DP turned back into Jean Grey, then the mind trick or healing Force powers may change the outcome.
 
2005-03-18 11:43:40 AM  
[image from entopia2002.com too old to be available]

Luke: So we'll just make a quick incision here, and . . .

Obi-Wan: Use the Force, Luke.

Luke: Really, but . . .

Obi-Wan: Just use the Force.

Luke: OK.

Woman: Arrrrrrggghh!!!

Luke: There, are you happy now?

Obi-Wan: I've never been happy.
 
2005-03-18 11:44:30 AM  
What is the Force considered?

You're kidding, right?

[image from images.google.ca too old to be available]
"The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together."
 
2005-03-18 11:44:44 AM  
The Saint of Killers

Oooh... low blow. Bane out-cheated him, given, but in a different era when DC wasn't trying to make an epaulet wearing bad@$$ into its new Bats in order to compete with the machismo of Image, Bats would win. That was the 90s, a dark, nihilistic time for comicbookdom when editors wanted to be extreme to the max, max meaning maximum.
 
2005-03-18 11:45:51 AM  
A Jedi/Wolverine fight would probably go to the Jedi since the Jedi could probably remove all of Logan's tissue before his healing factor could compensate. I don't think he could live without organs or with a severed spinal cord.

Is this the Wolvie without an admantium skeleton or with? Because the adamantium skeleton would preclude the severed spinal cord. See Gray's Anatomy for location of the spinal cord inside the adamantium-encased spine.

/Of course, whacking the organs makes the argument moot.
 
2005-03-18 11:46:33 AM  
"But it kept Anakin's arse down on the ground in Episode II for a good 2-3 minutes. Granted, he's a pussy, but the point is it doesn't burn, it disables."

Obi-Wan received a single cut from Dookus sabre on the leg and was out of the fight for a long time as well. I doubt it's the Force lightning that is keeping them down but that they are in fact pansies.

Sides' Jedis don't regenerate...
 
2005-03-18 11:46:54 AM  
So is this Star Wars or Star Trek we're talking here?
 
2005-03-18 11:47:06 AM  
The Saint of Killers:

At last, we agree on something! Batman has devoted himself to several disciplines including criminology, escape artistry, running Wayne Enterprises, etc. Captain America knows nothing but combat. Batman may be willing to cheat, but Captain America is willing to kill and that's a far more effective way of winning a fight.


Cap is very limited on who he will kill. I think he killed Baron Blood and perhaps someone else, but that's about it.
 
2005-03-18 11:47:24 AM  
What is the Force considered? If it is some kind of mental power, then Wolverine has probably had enough shielding from mental attacks to stop it?

Judging from Vader's choke and the reaction in SW, I'd say it wasn't mental, rather physical.

Wolverine; "Took a point blank shot from Gauntlet, ribs shattered lung punctured, gimme sec for my healing factor to kick in.."

Did he actually say all that with shattered ribs and a punctured lung? Wow.
 
2005-03-18 11:47:26 AM  
Lest we all forget:

Wolverine had the adamantium torn from his bones by Magneto in the comics. The damage taht did to him almost killed him, and he reverted to a ferral beast for a time while he recovered.


/pwnage by Magneto
//pwned myself... i am a HUGE nerd.
 
2005-03-18 11:47:56 AM  
Superhuman powers
The Hulk possesses the capacity for virtually limitless physical strength. The Hulk's strength level can escalate through corresponding surges of adrenaline caused during stressfull situations, such as feelings of extreme anger, rage, and frustration. The Hulk has never been provoked to demonstrating a maximum limit of his strength, so it remains a mystery. The heaviest he has handled so far was holding up the side of a 150 billion ton mountain (136 Gt).

The gamma radiation added over 900 pounds of muscle, bone and tissue to Banner's body. The source of this additional mass is unrevealed but could, possibly, be extra-dimensional. Aside from his great strength, his gamma enhanced body possesses a high degree of resistance to injury. His skin can withstand the impact of high caliber military cannons or exposure to temperatures in excess of 5,000 degrees Farenheit (2760 degrees Celsius) and as low as -190 degrees Farenheit (-123 degrees Celsius) without damage. Although it is possible to injure him, the Hulk's body possesses an accelerated healing power that can enable him to repair massive injuries or tissue loss within a span of a few minutes at most. To actually kill the Hulk would require injuring him faster than he could heal, leaving extreme options as the only viable methods, such as a nuclear weapon.

The Hulk's highly advanced musculature produces considerably fewer fatigue toxins than the bodies of ordinary human beings, granting him the ability to sustain himself at maximum exertion for several days. His powerful leg muscles allow him to leap several miles in a single bound, he was once observed as nearly jumping into Earth's orbit so it is possible that his leaping strength increases with adrenaline surges as well.

Unrelated to his superhuman physique, the Hulk also possesses two other abilities. He is capable of seeing astral forms, and regardless of his current location, will always be able to locate the gamma bomb test site that birthed him (which is not really a power on his part).

Further unrelated to his powers, the Hulk also possesses a degree of resistance to mind-control. This is owing to the fact that there is more than one distinct mind in the Hulk's brain. If one of them is under siege, the others would fight it off.

whatever...the hulk could kill everyone...
 
2005-03-18 11:48:36 AM  
DrSieb

So is this Star Wars or Star Trek we're talking here?

Jesus H. Christ on a hydrogen-powered Harley-Davidson with a bottle of Jack Daniels in each hand and Mary Magdalene in a black leather thong riding pillion, man! When did Star Trek ever have frkking lightsabers?
 
2005-03-18 11:49:16 AM  
Oh...my...god

The geekiness of this thread knows no bounds...NEEEEEERRDDSSS
 
2005-03-18 11:49:23 AM  
Nerds! I need your help! Why is a lightsaber a finite length? If it's a beam of energy, what keeps it to four feet or however long it is? Is this off topic? Is this thread too far gone for anyone to care? I think so.
 
F42
2005-03-18 11:49:27 AM  
Master of the Flying Guillotine: Green Lanterns, owns all you suckas.


Yeah? I got a YELLOW brick here says otherwise.
And a baseball bat. For the golden age pussy ring wearer...
 
2005-03-18 11:51:14 AM  
F42

As far as I know, yellow is no longer and issue for Hal after some recent happenings in GL.

Alan... well... He'll have to be a bit careful in woodshop.
 
2005-03-18 11:51:36 AM  
Shrugging Atlas:

Oh, by the way NineInchNader, Wolverine should have never beaten Lobo. That was a travesty.

Well, I dunno. Which Lobo are we talking about?

[image from phillyburbs.com too old to be available]

[image from epguides.com too old to be available]
 
2005-03-18 11:52:24 AM  
Duh, a lightsaber can cut through adamantium. A lightsaber can cut through anything but another lightsaber. And some other EU stuff I can't remember, but it's rare, and it's not adamantium.
 
2005-03-18 11:52:26 AM  
JakeElwood There is a reason, and I belive it is because the crystal used to construct the lightsaber is cut in such a way that it bends light after a certain distance, thus giving you the lightasaber "blade". The Jedi learns to cut the crystal in such a way during their training.
 
2005-03-18 11:52:34 AM  
mrjared:

if all this stuff is true about the adamantium destroying particles and whatnot, how would one fire an adamantium bullet? I would think then that the hammer would just get farked when in struck the bullet. I don't know enough about guns to figure that out.


The hammer doesn't strike the bullet, it just drives the firing pin forward into the cartridge to detonate the powder inside and propel the bullet forward. No moving parts actually hit the bullet themselves, so there's no reason a rimfire cartridge with an adamantium bullet wouldn't be possible. You know, if they existed and all.

Superman would still deflect the bullet, though I think it'd just ricochet off of him rather than flatten and drop.

A lightsaber could probably not cut through adamantium; it can't be destroyed by any means known in the comics, and although technology like a lightsaber really doesn't exist yet in that world for them to judge it the properties are pretty similar to those of an industrial plasma torch (that can cut steel incredibly easily).
 
2005-03-18 11:52:34 AM  
Oh come on, Simon Belmont is dead and you know it. And since he's dead, that means Death has come for him. It merely pleased Death to play a minor role and appear to lose.
 
F42
2005-03-18 11:52:48 AM  
Icthyologist:

Like the Superman vs Thor thread. Anyone with half a brain knows Superman would take him


Well, the Kryptonian IS vulnerable to magic. And Thor has a handy magic hammer...
 
2005-03-18 11:53:23 AM  
"But a Jedi would know that Superman is about to move long before Superman did, and could thus move to counteract this, assuming the Jedi was not in the mood for a well-timed snap-hiss to seriously injur Superman. Also, you forget that Jedi were capable of devastating speed due to their accessing pretty much the fabric of the universe."

When have we EVER seen a Jedi use precognition in a film?
(If you go the blaster blocking route I will disprove it so don't bother)

If Jedis have this precognition and super speed you speak of how was it they were all slaughtered on the bug planet?

Superman could simply exhale and kill every Jedi and Sith ever seen. You really need to lay off the crack pipe.

Heh, I haven't argued with Warsies in a good long time, this is fun.
 
2005-03-18 11:53:25 AM  
Adamantium first appeared in Avengers #66, and throughout its history it has been generally described thusly: Adamantium is a virtually indestructible man-made steel alloy which does not occur in nature.

Notice the phrase "virtually indestructible," this may be key. One then must wonder what kind of force can be used to harm the metal? We know from cannonical sources that the Incredible Hulk has ripped apart Adamantium, but this most likely was not what is called "True Adamantium," and therefore was slightly less resiliant. However, Captain America's shield was crushed by Thanos using a power gem, but that's vibranium and not True Adamantium.

It seems that the so-called "secondary Adamantium" was invented as a writer's crutch to explain when and why Adamantium was broken so they could keep the axiom of "Adamantium can't be broken," intact. The only true way to defeat True Adamantium is to circumvent its nature via the use of molecular rearrangement or atomic manipulation; without such methods True Adamantium cannot be broken or bent.

Then the question is this: how does a lightsaber work? Molecular rearrangement? Plasma? A tight forcefield? Laser? Magnetic force? The blade of the lightsaber is important to know about. Clearly, it is not heat of any sort or all those poor Jedi would have scalded hands--heat at the power enough to melt through a metal door doesn't end at the point of creation, it radiates outward.

So, plasma is out. Laser? Not nearly powerful enough, or else that's what every beam firing weapon in the SW universe would use, the effect would be like a energy sabot or railgun, which by itself would be a cool idea, but not what we're after.

Molecular rearrangement? Probably not, it just doesn't seem to make sense.

Magnetic force fields? Possibly, but since no metallic material has ever been shown to be attracted to a lightsaber's blade, we may discount that. A forcefield of an elongated torus? Possibly, but no other forcefields shown in the SW universe have ever been known to slice-'n'-dice like a saber, unless we consider the possibility that a very tightly woven forcefield in torus configuration that rotates would have the effect of teeth plus cauterization. We know there's some heat due to the evidence we have available.

So, the best bet is that a lightsaber is a tightly confined, rotating, toroidal forcefield/energy field. But can that cut through a metal that has resisted all other attempts at disection? The answer is in the cannonical comics themselves, as they state: Only a device called a Molecular Rearranger can alter the form of hardened Adamantium. So, it seems a lightsaber cannot harm True Adamantium in the slightest, and any instance where we would (unlikely) see such an event would be "Secondary Adamantium", which is far less resiliant.

/Too geeky for my own good....
 
2005-03-18 11:53:29 AM  
Adamantium can be melted (how they got it into wolverine) and it can be molded by magnetism (when Magneto stripped it out of Wolverine). So, if the lightsabre's point temperature is above the temperature at which adamantium melts, then yes, it could slice off a piece.

I don't know either of the temperatures, so you can't say for sure.

/Geek and proud of it.
 
2005-03-18 11:53:54 AM  
JakeElwood

Nerds! I need your help! Why is a lightsaber a finite length? If it's a beam of energy, what keeps it to four feet or however long it is? Is this off topic? Is this thread too far gone for anyone to care? I think so.

I think it's called a lightsaber not because the blade itself is a ray of light, but because whatever composes the blade is at a high enough temperature to radiate light. Perhaps it's a plasma blade contained by a magnetic field, but then the handle should be too hot to handle.

/not a Star Wars geek.
 
2005-03-18 11:54:20 AM  
while I was reading this thread, by ballz fell off from the nerd overload.

/and I thought I was somewhat of a nerd. I dont hold
a candle to some of you'se
 
2005-03-18 11:54:56 AM  
kasarul

Sides' Jedis don't regenerate...

Pfft, the heck they don't! My level 14 Jedi Consular has a +3 robe of regeneration on her. That's for both health and force points. Get it together man...
 
2005-03-18 11:55:10 AM  
Captain America is willing to kill and that's a far more effective way of winning a fight.

Ultimate Cap would be more than willing to kill, but Marvel Universe Cap has a very strong aversion to killing, same as Batman. The one time he had to shoot an ULTIMATUM terrorist, he only did it because the terrorist was in the middle of gunning down a crowd of civilians, and the act tormented him for a long time, even though it was entirely justified.

In Cap's favor, there is the fact that his knowledge of martial arts has allowed him (both Ulitmate and MU versions) to stand against the Hulk (for a while, at least).

So here's my question: could a Jedi/Sith defeat Juggernaut?
 
2005-03-18 11:56:01 AM  
Nothing is stronger than catfartium.
 
2005-03-18 11:57:10 AM  
I think you ahve to assume a light sabre is heat based as when Luke's hand was cut off in Empire, the wound didn't bleed, so we can assume Vader's light sabre immediately cauterized the wound.

Therefore again, if the blade is hot enough to revert adamantium to liquid, it can go through it like the proverbial hot knife.
 
2005-03-18 11:57:11 AM  
Best. Thread. EVER.

/Lighsaber would win
 
2005-03-18 11:58:22 AM  
In more important news, Jesse Custer can kick everyone's asses.
[image from univie.ac.at too old to be available]

/Preacher does, in fact, rule.
//Lightsaber can totally cut through Adamantium
 
2005-03-18 11:58:38 AM  
See, this is why I always go full munchkin and say I'm playing The Beyonder. Being the Beyonder makes the argument go away. And if it doesn't, then I'm the Beyonder+Molecule Man combo so I'm a freakin' universe.
 
2005-03-18 11:59:36 AM  
"Pfft, the heck they don't! My level 14 Jedi Consular has a +3 robe of regeneration on her. That's for both health and force points. Get it together man..."

Curses! Foiled again by Phat Lewt!!!11one!!
 
2005-03-18 12:00:36 PM  
Ohh that's a whole new can of worms but I think lightsaber yes, adamantium no. Some lousy lava can melt that ring; I would like to think a lightsaber could too.

Yeah, but then you have to take into account the whole "cursed magic" factor. The ring needs to be destroyed by being thrown into the volcano at Mordor, not any volcano. I get the sense that it could survive getting tossed into any OTHER volcano and then do fun things like cause an eruption to get it tossed back out to the world of man, but that specific one is how to destroy the curse.
 
2005-03-18 12:00:38 PM  
I was under the impression that adamantium was defeated by captainsensiblium. Or simply questionable musical ability and dorky outfits.

/too much MTV during me teen years
 
F42
2005-03-18 12:00:47 PM  
AtomicPenguin:

A lightsaber could probably not cut through adamantium; it can't be destroyed by any means known in the comics


Cyclops' eye beams can blast through adamantium, as demonstrated in Age of Apocalypse.
That would be the comics where alternate-universe Wolvie has only one hand and alternate-universe Cyclops has only one eye, and it's not a coincidence.

Those two never get along, no matter what universe...

Anyway, therefore, lightsabers can cut through adamantium. Case closed.
 
2005-03-18 12:01:01 PM  
Ok end of argument:

Lightsabe COULD cut through adamantium. It WONT because there are no lightsabers in the Marvel Universe.
 
2005-03-18 12:01:09 PM  
kasarul

Curses! Foiled again by Phat Lewt!!!11one!!

Here. Want to borrow my +7 Revolver of Demon Banishing? I bagged it off this prettyboy monk who went around wearing a scroll draped over his shoulders.
 
2005-03-18 12:02:04 PM  
Son of Thunder

I didn't say that Cap has no problem with killing, but when he kills he does so with relatively little hesitation as he did with Baron Blood.

So here's my question: could a Jedi/Sith defeat Juggernaut?

Can Jedi/Sith perform mind-tricks? I believe they do. Juggernaut is a mental midget and can be easily defeated with his helmet off. Hell, even Spider-Man defeated the Juggernaut once.
 
2005-03-18 12:02:52 PM  
Nickface

[image from comolo.redsectorart.com too old to be available]

Everyone?

Would pay good money for this one, c'mon Ennis get to it!
 
2005-03-18 12:03:18 PM  
yeah, i think it could melt it... but are we taking into account that someone like wolverine would be hard to hit in the first place? I mean, come on, his heightened senses are like a force power all their own. Add to that a healing factor, and a lone jedi is in trouble. plus, while we have seen sabers cut metal quickly before, we can also assume it wasn't nearly as strong, so then the jedi would basically have to his saber to his bones to cut through them... something he most likely wouldn't patiently sit and let him do.

god i'm a nerd
 
2005-03-18 12:03:31 PM  
Bah screwed up the html..

[image from temple.edu too old to be available]

There we go...
 
2005-03-18 12:03:54 PM  
So here's my question: could a Jedi/Sith defeat Juggernaut?

Absoultely. A Jedi could use the force to remove Juggernaut's helmet, then dominate him. A Jedi is also probably 1000x quicker than Juggernaut and could probably cut a leg off if Juggs got uppity.
 
2005-03-18 12:04:09 PM  
No. Neither of those two objects exist.

/a late entry
 
2005-03-18 12:04:26 PM  
Guys (and token geek girls), it's wolverine's SKELETON that is adamantium. His flesh is normal, just heals a lot faster. So if the discussion is about whether wolverine would die in a fight with some jedi then the answer is yes. they would just carve off chunks of his muscle until he was deaded.

/greatest thread evar
 
2005-03-18 12:04:27 PM  
Preacher, in my opinion, was an immense disappointment. Just a bunch of potty jokes.
 
2005-03-18 12:04:36 PM  
Not a chance. We've seen surfaces smoke after being cut by a lightsaber (and Luke's wrist was cauterized). The door penetrated by the saber in TPM began to melt. This tells us that the beam is an energy effect. Adamantium has been demonstrated to withstand energy effects directed at it, so a light saber would just bounce off. Sorry Warsies, but you lose this one.
 
F42
2005-03-18 12:04:42 PM  
kasarul:

If Jedis have this precognition and super speed you speak of how was it they were all slaughtered on the bug planet?


Was it on P or on K?

/They'll keep fighting, and they'll WIN!
 
2005-03-18 12:07:27 PM  
See, a jedi works partly with his lightsaber, but partially with the force as well, in a fight. A Jedi's mental powers assit then in a scuffle, maybe fooling their enemy into thinking they are not quite where they are, like Obi Wan, or maybe preying upon their fear, like vader.

BUT!

Wolvie has an adamantium skull, which makes his mind impervious to psychic attack. I think a Jedi trying to face him down wouldn't get a read on him, or his intentions, until it was too late.
 
2005-03-18 12:08:54 PM  
"Absoultely. A Jedi could use the force to remove Juggernaut's helmet, then dominate him. A Jedi is also probably 1000x quicker than Juggernaut and could probably cut a leg off if Juggs got uppity."

Juggs simply slams his hands together and the Jedi explodes.

Get friggin' real. Juggernaut has withstood MUCH more powerful things than lightsabres and the telepaths that mind screw him make Jedis look like Madame Cleo
 
2005-03-18 12:08:59 PM  
On the issue of Superman vs. Doomsday and the energy field theory...

I think that since Doomsday was later revealed to be from Krypton himself (he was some sort of kryptonian super-monster) then it would be safe to assume he too had the same energy aura that Supes has. So it's possible that the two energy fields had a nullification effect on one another. Then all you had left was two incredibly strong/fast/powerful beings beating the crap out of each other, but the pure invulnerability was gone, at least to blows from each other.

that would also explain why superman's comstume took a serious beating and supes was actually cut and bled from Doomsday's attacks, but wasn't further injured by the buildings that were falling down on him. The buildings weren't nullifying his protective aura.

/nerd
//don't we have enough slashes already in this thread?
///nope
 
2005-03-18 12:09:41 PM  
Cyclops has blasted Wolverine a few times with his lazer eyes, and it didnt melt him.. so I call bullshiat on that.. Wolverine would kick some serious Jedi ass.

Now Magneto on the other hand.. he would own mr. Logan.

/Can't believe I participated in this.. and that my work paid me for it.
 
2005-03-18 12:09:43 PM  
ok- I wanna know why on the Fark front page there is currently only one link to a Boobies page and there isn't even boobies on it... WTF Farkers, very disappointed...
 
2005-03-18 12:10:25 PM  
TakeThatYouStupidCorn

Preacher, in my opinion, was an immense disappointment. Just a bunch of potty jokes.


Starr: "How much to piss in your mouth, Mrs. Thatcher?"
 
2005-03-18 12:10:34 PM  
kasarul:

If Jedis have this precognition and super speed you speak of how was it they were all slaughtered on the bug planet?

I said a few moment, not a whole freakin day worth of precognition. If they did have that kind of ability, the slaughter on that "bug" planet would never happened. And if you have seen The Phantom Meance, one of the early scene was Obi Wan and Quin Gon quickly escaping the Droidia

This thread was started by a girl! Blah! It's another ruse by women to rid the planet of men.

/Begun, the nerd war has
 
2005-03-18 12:10:46 PM  
[image from x-mencharacters.com too old to be available]

Do you really want to mess with this?
 
2005-03-18 12:10:52 PM  
Can Jedi/Sith perform mind-tricks? I believe they do. Juggernaut is a mental midget and can be easily defeated with his helmet off. Hell, even Spider-Man defeated the Juggernaut once.

Okay, you got that one. If Shatterstar was able to cut Juggernaut's helmet off, it should be fairly easy for a Jedi/Sith to cut the helmet off, then make with the mind tricks.
 
2005-03-18 12:12:01 PM  
In a fight, who would win: Admiral Akbar, or the killer rabbit from Holy Grail? Think about it:

The rabbit -- looks cute and harmless, thus luring the unsuspecting into its trap.

Akbar -- Is leery of traps.
 
2005-03-18 12:12:45 PM  
JohnnyRingo: Lightsaber COULD cut through adamantium. It WONT because there are no lightsabers in the Marvel Universe.

But didn't Marvel print the old Star Wars comics?
 
2005-03-18 12:12:47 PM  
Randomhero
Cyclops' eyes create a concussive force, not a hot laser. Gosh! Idiot!
 
2005-03-18 12:12:52 PM  
Get friggin' real. Juggernaut has withstood MUCH more powerful things than lightsabres and the telepaths that mind screw him make Jedis look like Madame Cleo

And yet, everyone seems to know that they just have to remove his little hat and he's toast.
 
2005-03-18 12:13:05 PM  
The rabbit. Akbar doesnt carry holy hand grenades.
 
2005-03-18 12:13:45 PM  
Wahre
seeing as both "adamantium" and "light sabers" don't exist, how can nothing overcome nothing?
fags.


It's called willing suspense of disbelief ;)
 
2005-03-18 12:14:27 PM  
canaryfarmer I dont know, but I don't think there will ever be any cross-universe action between Star Wars and Marvel.
 
2005-03-18 12:14:33 PM  
2005-03-18 12:12:47 PM TakeThatYouStupidCorn

Randomhero
Cyclops' eyes create a concussive force, not a hot laser. Gosh! Idiot!

-LOL, Geek test!

/A concussive laser? he sure concusses the hell out of those sentinels on the tv show..
 
2005-03-18 12:14:37 PM  
(I forgot to add a dramatic musical chord at the end of my last post. Because there's supposed to be one, you see.)
 
2005-03-18 12:15:27 PM  
People give jedi WAAAYYY to much credit. I blame the the stupid non canon books. Listen, some droids can kill jedi, Jango can kill jedi. Any super hero listed in this thread could kill a jedi. Could they take out THE BEST jedi? That would be a better question.
 
2005-03-18 12:15:29 PM  
Where's the Mountain Dew?
 
2005-03-18 12:16:21 PM  
Juggs simply slams his hands together and the Jedi explodes.

Assuming the Jedi can't see it coming and get out of the way, which is very doubtfull. It also assumes the Jedi can't block said hands with the Force. However, yes, if Juggernaut slams a Jedi it would kill him.

Get friggin' real. Juggernaut has withstood MUCH more powerful things than lightsabres and the telepaths that mind screw him make Jedis look like Madame Cleo

With his helmet on, yes. Should the helmet get taken off, he's screwed. I'm not saying the jedi bounces through the helmet, but he could probably very well figure out some way to use the force to get the helmet off before trying to screw with Juggernaut's head.
 
2005-03-18 12:17:24 PM  
Zylon

Its in the fridge, duh.
 
2005-03-18 12:17:53 PM  
Programmer Cat,

Nah, read the new book: Spellfire for Rahl, he's seriously pussified.

1. No Kalahan
2. No Sword of Truth
3. Anytime he actually figures out how to use his magic there's some stupidly named blood beast that'll come to kill him
4. He's more likely to make the situation worse by sticking to the whole "this is my life and I'll live it however I see fit... even if that means destroying all of existance because I missed my wife"

So basically he's a guy who suffers periodic migranes, is constantly going through seperation after seperation with his wife, who hangs out with a blonde dominatrix, a former pron star, and three old farts.

But at least he's close to figuring out that all he had to do from umm Book 3 on was go back to the People's Palace and open the Boxes of Ordan, oh wait, too late they're gone too.
 
2005-03-18 12:18:00 PM  
randomhero Oh, I'm king of the friggin' geeks. Nothing to be done for it. I'm so geeky I've even read the Halo books!
 
2005-03-18 12:18:17 PM  
Custom5:

There are weapons used in the Star Wars universe to protect things from the light saber's parallel plasma energy beam, one of which was shown in the Clone Wars cartoon by a robohenchman. I'm sure they developed something in the movies but I don't recall every seeing anything that a light saber couldn't eventually destroy.

Alledegly General Grevious' (the robot dude from the last episode of Clone Wars) henchmen have staffs that are capable of blocking a light saber.

Also in Clone Wars there is a robot/slimy animal thing that has lighsaber deflecting energy shields built into his forearms.

overlord: Also, is it 'adamantium' or 'admantium'? I see both spellings here...

Aluminium/Aluminum deal possibly? :-)

To cap it all I have just had a thought about the whole deflecting of lightsabers deal.

Almost any energy field of suffient power should be able to deflect a lightsaber blade, if you think about it, laser bolts are DEFLECTED by a lightsaber blade, i.e. they bounce off. So if we throw Newtons laws at it.

1st Law: object will remain at rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless compelled to change its state by the action of an external force.

So when (for instance) a droid warrior fires a blaster bolt at a jedi, it travels in a straight line. The jedi blocks the bolt, therefore because of the 1st law an external force has been applied to the blaster bolt to change its direction.

Now we bring the 3rd law into play: for every action (force) in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction

So when the force from the lightsaber acts onto the blaster bolt, the blaster bolt is acting back on the lightsaber.

Therefore you can block a lightsaber with an energy field.

Oh, and any claims "this happens in different universes" can be ignored by simply remembering the words "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away". Same universe, just in th epast, therefore same laws of physics apply :-P
 
2005-03-18 12:18:27 PM  
I'm sorry but taking juggs helmet off is not simple task. Someone like Yoda or Dooku could "maybe" force lift it off, otherwise the jedi would have to get close and try and cut it....by then juggs would just clap his hands and the jedis ears would explode.
 
2005-03-18 12:18:47 PM  
2005-03-18 12:15:27 PM armageddonbound

People give jedi WAAAYYY to much credit. I blame the the stupid non canon books. Listen, some droids can kill jedi, Jango can kill jedi. Any super hero listed in this thread could kill a jedi. Could they take out THE BEST jedi? That would be a better question.



I give them a slight edge against Jubilee:

LOL, to imagine being lucky enough to have mutant powers, then finding out all you can do is make little fireworks.. ha!
 
2005-03-18 12:20:13 PM  
Hebalo
The trick is in getting the helmet off. It's not that easy to do.
/Did anyone else see the What if where Prof. X became the Juggernaut? It negated pretty much every weakness.
 
2005-03-18 12:21:03 PM  
2005-03-18 12:12:01 PM Captain Irreverence

In a fight, who would win: Admiral Akbar, or the killer rabbit from Holy Grail? Think about it:

The rabbit -- looks cute and harmless, thus luring the unsuspecting into its trap.

Akbar -- Is leery of traps.


Standoff. Rabbit can't lure Ackbar in, Ackbar can't get close enough to do any damage to the rabbit.
 
2005-03-18 12:22:18 PM  
2005-03-18 12:18:00 PM TakeThatYouStupidCorn

randomhero Oh, I'm king of the friggin' geeks. Nothing to be done for it. I'm so geeky I've even read the Halo books!


Ouch, I thought I was geeky for watching Red vs Blue.. I bow to your pale, chalky skinned feet and beg for forgiveness for my insolence.
 
2005-03-18 12:23:53 PM  
I'm sorry but taking juggs helmet off is not simple task.

Then how come EVERYONE does it, almost EVERY time juggie shows up?
 
2005-03-18 12:24:18 PM  
I don't think there will ever be any cross-universe action between Star Wars and Marvel.

Why not? It happened with Star Trek three times. (pops)
 
2005-03-18 12:25:40 PM  
Oh, no people are calling this nerdy. Won't be most popular in high school. . . . Oh, wait high school is over and I don't give a shiat.

Also somebody said this is an imaginary dick contest.

1) Not everyone conforms to the "I'm insecure so I have to show others as inferior/pathetic" mentality that you ironically exibit

2) If you don't like this sort of stuff don't read this thread.

-- Richard Zeien
 
2005-03-18 12:26:05 PM  
Forgiveness granted, my young ward. Let us now proceed to the feast of 1,000 cheetos!
 
2005-03-18 12:26:44 PM  
I was about to point out that every good guy ever has managed to get Juggernaut's helmet off, but Hebalo did it for me.

You want to throw Magneto out there as someone who can kick a Jedi's ass, I'll give you that in a second. Juggernaut? Not so much.
 
2005-03-18 12:27:09 PM  
JakeElwood
It's not cannonical, but according to the SW Guide to Tech (or some such, I'm at school, and it's currently sitting on my shelf at home, so I can't exactly look it up), the light is merely a side effect of pure energy being projected outwards, and then being attracted back towards the negatively charged antinode inside the concentric ring of the emitter.

/wow, that makes no sense...
//oh well
///go read the japanese knife thread!
 
2005-03-18 12:27:23 PM  
mrjared - re: adamantium bullets...

A bullet is but one component of an ammunition round. A firearm catridge typically consists of 4 components: a primer cap, a cartridge, gun powder, and the bullet itself. The primer is a percussion cap which is struck by the firearm's hammer, igniting (not exploding) the gunpowder, which causes intense gasious decompression (it's a physical reaction of some sort which I'm not too sure of the chemistry involved). This then pushes the bullet (the hardened projectile) through the barrel.

The amount of damage a given particle of matter can meter out is partially dependant on its velocity, and partially dependant on its size. Density (ie, weight, basically) will also play a role in how far the projectile can travel against resistance, as the initial force of propulsion disipates due to friction. Though, the projectile of choice being adamantium, a metal which is incredibly resistant to damage, it seems likely to me that it might also have a very high friction coefficient, giving it a very low friction factor (I'm not sure what I just said, but it kind of makes sense!). So adamantium might be able to travel fairly indefinately with only minimal frictional resistance.

I think that, theoretically, you could get a small enough projectile moving fast enough to penetrate Superman's skin: skin might be "chainmail-like" but just like any other cell, there is space between them just as there is with molecules. (Unless, of course, Superman is also super-dense, in which case he'd likely weigh several hundred tons. Which is technically feasable, as he can fly and all - this might explain his super-strength.)

Additionally, if you were to fire the adamantium from a rail gun - say, a bullet shapped like 1' long wedge, starting with a micrososcopic tip - I suspect that it would slide off the initial cells of skin and slip between them: partially due to velocity, partially due to the adamantium properties, and partially due to the profile of the projectile. It would be entirely too fast for Superman to dodge. Too bad he doesn't have Wolverine-style healing ability!
 
2005-03-18 12:27:26 PM  
"Then how come EVERYONE does it, almost EVERY time juggie shows up?"

Actually I have almost all of juggs appearences and it doesnt happen very often. It takes a good amount of super strength to take it off. Also, its the only way the writers can find to have someone actually beat the juggs half the time.
 
2005-03-18 12:27:28 PM  
RandomHero

Jubalee knocked the Juggernaught on his ass.

-- Richard Zeien
 
2005-03-18 12:28:24 PM  
The answer is No. A light saber does not exist in nature. A fact is something that has been scientifically proven or proven to a point that it cannot or has not been disputed. Please, someone, try to dispute me with physical evidence through reproduction.
 
2005-03-18 12:28:47 PM  
Also, is it 'adamantium' or 'admantium'? I see both spellings here...

It is Adamantium, since the term is derived from the word "adamant".

For those enjoying this thread, check out these geeks.
 
2005-03-18 12:29:03 PM  
2005-03-18 01:59:27 AM SockMonkeyHolocaust

Dude, a lightsaber couldn't destroy Elvis. The King is forever, in fact Elvis is in every single one of us. He's everywhere...he's everybody, he's still the king.

Man, oh man, what I want you to see, is that the big "E" is inside of you and me.


Elvis eats boats. Elvis eats boats. Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis eats boats.
 
2005-03-18 12:29:34 PM  
I think the important question here is:

"If Wolverine was piloting the Deathstar, vs. a Jedi/Sith piloting the Enterprise-D, would you rather have Captain Kirk or Captain Picard on the bridge? And could either one outrun Darth Vader's Star Destroyer?"
 
2005-03-18 12:29:51 PM  
My two cents: the lightsaber would eventually cut through adamantium, if given enough time. See the beginning of the Phantom Menace where it took some time for the Jedis to get through the blast door with their sabers.

For practical application (i.e., a Jedi versus Wolverine battle), any connection between the lightsaber and Wolverine's claws or skeleton would be too brief to allow the lightsaber to cut through the metal. Therefore, Wolverine's flesh cut by the saber would heal, and Wolverine would eventually get his claws on the Jedi. End of Jedi.
 
2005-03-18 12:32:01 PM  
And could either one outrun Darth Vader's Star Destroyer

I don't know, but I'm sure the max speed for both, and their equivalent to the speed of the light, is listed somewhere.
 
2005-03-18 12:32:31 PM  
machinerevvingtension
The answer is simple. The erson you would want would be a dc/marvel-esque amalgamation of BOTH Picard and Kirk. Think of it: a man with the common sense of Picard and the chest hair of kirk. Dammit, it would be GLORIOUS!
 
2005-03-18 12:34:08 PM  
someguy: Standoff. Rabbit can't lure Ackbar in, Ackbar can't get close enough to do any damage to the rabbit.

Correct! Next question:

In a fight, who would win: Ben Richards or Logan 5?

Richards: Good at running.

Logan: Good at catching runners.
 
2005-03-18 12:34:48 PM  
All of you talking about taking off Juggernaut's helmet seem to forget that he also has skullcap that he made out of leftovers from his helmet. So even if his helmet (which is "welded" on) is taken off, he's got protection against the dirty Jedi mind tricks.

/sorry if someone else already raised this point
 
2005-03-18 12:35:43 PM  
The erson you would want would be a dc/marvel-esque amalgamation of BOTH Picard and Kirk. Think of it: a man with the common sense of Picard and the chest hair of kirk. Dammit, it would be GLORIOUS!

Composite Captain Picirk?
 
2005-03-18 12:36:33 PM  
[image from members.aol.com too old to be available]

Even Comic Book Guy is shocked at how geeky this thread is.
 
2005-03-18 12:36:43 PM  
Vacuously, the answer is yes.

Since neither Adamantium exists nor does a light sabre, it is vacuously true that a light sabre can cut Adamantium.
 
2005-03-18 12:37:20 PM  
WHat did no Jedi (or Sith) ever make a Light Saber that has an extra feature- when this feature is activated, the LS will, upon contact with another LS, turn off for a fraction of a second, allowing the swing of the weilder to continue, then turn back on? It would come on handy when you swing at the other guy, and he blocks at the last second. ::poof:: you LS appears to 'cut ' thru his and chops his head off.
 
2005-03-18 12:38:28 PM  
If they both existed in nature, yes. But since they both do not, the true answer is an astounding no.
 
2005-03-18 12:39:16 PM  
Captain Irreverence

In a fight, who would win: Admiral Akbar, or the killer rabbit from Holy Grail? Think about it:

The rabbit -- looks cute and harmless, thus luring the unsuspecting into its trap.

Akbar -- Is leery of traps.



HA Thanks man, you made my day!
 
2005-03-18 12:41:21 PM  
fredklein: because the lightsaber also has to protect against blows from sabers coming at the wielder of the saber with such a function; too much to ask that a Jedi be able to activate or deactivate the feature in the midst of such a fast-moving fight. See Yoda's fight against Dorku (whatever his name was) in Phantom Menace.
 
2005-03-18 12:41:50 PM  
2005-03-18 12:27:28 PM rczeien

RandomHero

Jubalee knocked the Juggernaught on his ass.

- Really? Juggernaught really needs to work on his offence.
 
2005-03-18 12:41:58 PM  
All of you talking about taking off Juggernaut's helmet seem to forget that he also has skullcap that he made out of leftovers from his helmet.

I know, but for some reason he seems to have lost it or something.

You want a truly unstoppable Juggernaut, see the old "What If..." issue "What If Professor X Had Become the Juggernaut". Unstoppable body containing the world's most powerful telepathic mind. The only way he was eventually defeated was to trick him into a situation in which he could be blasted into space. Didn't hurt him, but he had no way to stop himself from floating off.
 
2005-03-18 12:43:21 PM  
Boy does this bring back memories...

Could the Enterprise defeat a Star Destroyer?
 
2005-03-18 12:43:49 PM  
machinerevvingtension:

I think the important question here is:

"If Wolverine was piloting the Deathstar, vs. a Jedi/Sith piloting the Enterprise-D, would you rather have Captain Kirk or Captain Picard on the bridge? And could either one outrun Darth Vader's Star Destroyer?"


I'd rather use Kirk since he'll shoot first and ask question later while Picard has to follow Starfleet regulation strict which is the following:

- Scan ship
- Hail ship
- Interact with ship's captain
- Ship's captain threatens to destroy Picard
- Picard cuts off screen
- Calls for a meeting with the officers
- Determine course of action
- Return to bridge
- Go to red alert
- Destroy enemy
- File report with Starfleet

While with Kirk

- Destroy enemy
- Hail the ship
- No response
- Go off to find a klingon ship to pick a fight with
 
2005-03-18 12:43:51 PM  
I don't understand a thing in this thread, yet felt compelled to post in it.

Maybe I'm a would-be nerd.
 
2005-03-18 12:45:44 PM  
Simple: Yeah. Something has to cut adamantium. Pure energy reflected through crystals? Yeah, simple as answer as anything else.
 
2005-03-18 12:46:07 PM  
Lightsaber wins, but only if adamantium-weilder is incapacitated enough to not fight back. I'm too lazy to write up discussion on why at the moment, you can gmail me for it later if you wish.

Point of interest... in all the above comments, no one has mentioned Hijarna stone?

//to set the record straight in lieu of certain previous comments, I'm a married girl geek :P
 
2005-03-18 12:47:42 PM  
Yo, I like star wars and all that, but my god some of you are some straight up nerds!!! Especially the "Jedi Knights of Cleveland" HA, get a fark'n life!
 
2005-03-18 12:47:43 PM  
Pro Zack

Wolvarine must be able to survive high temperatures - since he survived the molten adamantium being applied to his skeleton...

I thought his skeleton was replaced with an adamantium one? I am not an expert on that, though, can anyone verify?.

But id molten adamantium was applied, it didn't have to be applied to his whole skeleton at once. As long as you leave part or most of his body alive, he can heal; but if you kill every cell in his body, there's nothing left to heal and he's done for.
 
2005-03-18 12:50:31 PM  
While with Kirk

- Destroy enemy
- Hail the ship
- No response
- Go off to find a klingon ship to pick a fight with


Dude, you totally left out the green women.
 
2005-03-18 12:52:35 PM  
Qermaq:

SuperNerd - someone who, besides the films, brings animated versions and novels in as canonically supporting evidence

I hate to argue, but Star Wars: Clone Wars is part of the SW canon, as are all of the Lucasarts Star WArs games.

The novels on the other hand are pretty much non-canonical tripe.

Pro Zack:

Wolvarine must be able to survive high temperatures - since he survived the molten adamantium being applied to his skeleton...

I believe the only reason he survived is due to his extraordinary healing powers.
 
2005-03-18 12:52:38 PM  
NineInchNader:

Dude, you totally left out the green women

shiat, how could I?

/off to spend a few hours in *insert alien race name* torture chamber
 
F42
2005-03-18 12:53:07 PM  
RandomHero:

Cyclops has blasted Wolverine a few times with his lazer eyes, and it didnt melt him.. so I call bullshiat on that.. Wolverine would kick some serious Jedi ass.

Now Magneto on the other hand.. he would own mr. Logan.



And lightsabers have batted people around like a club on numerous occasions, that's no reason to call bullshiat, that's just writer lazyness and cheap SFX.

Cyclops has different energy settings on his mask. Like a phaser, it goes from stun to disintegrate.

And Magneto has pwn3d Wolvie on several occasions. It's why I like Logan so much: He just keeps coming back!
 
2005-03-18 12:54:31 PM  
Obscure challenge: in a hand to hand fight, who would win: James Kirk or James West?
 
2005-03-18 12:54:39 PM  
Saw only one reference to it, but it appears that Thor's hammer, Mjolner, which is made of uru, would also be able to withstand a lightsaber (subject to my previous comments re: the length of contact between the two).
 
2005-03-18 12:55:12 PM  
Another question (since no one has taken a whack at my Richards/Logan question):

In a fight, who would win: The Blob, or The Thing?

The Thing: Absorbs some organic matter and duplicates it

The Blob: Absorbs ALL organic matter and gets really, really big
 
2005-03-18 12:56:10 PM  
Oh
My
God.
 
2005-03-18 12:57:05 PM  
Captain Irreverence

In a fight, who would win: Admiral Akbar, or the killer rabbit from Holy Grail? Think about it:

The rabbit -- looks cute and harmless, thus luring the unsuspecting into its trap.

Akbar -- Is leery of traps.


According to my friend: "it probly depends on if akbar has a holy hand grenade [of antioch] or not."

and he can count to three.
 
2005-03-18 01:03:37 PM  
On a related note, what do Star Wars blasters fire? Can't be lasers b/c you can see them leave the guns and seem to be about a foot long. If they WERE lasers one pull of the trigger and insta fry, no time to swing a light saber.
 
2005-03-18 01:05:05 PM  
You folks need another hobby..
 
2005-03-18 01:05:52 PM  
RandomHero

Cyclops has blasted Wolverine a few times with his lazer eyes, and it didnt melt him.. so I call bullshiat on that..

Two things:

First, Cyclops fires concusive blasts from his eyes. They don't heat or melt anything.

Second, in the Age of Apocalypse story line, Wolverine only had one hand. The reason? Cyclops blew the other one off at the wrist.
 
F42
2005-03-18 01:08:14 PM  
TakeThatYouStupidCorn:

Wolvie has an adamantium skull, which makes his mind impervious to psychic attack.

That is TOTAL bullshiat! His adamantium skull has no effect on psychic attacks, in fact, wolvie's mind is one of the most famously fractured ones of any universe.

However, jedi mind tricks don't work on a beserker like wolvie: He's not paying attention to the trick, he's too involved in his attemps at disemboyelling everything in sight.
As far as looking at the future, a Jedi could focus his attention to the future... But when you have a pissed-off Wolverine in front of you, if you do not focus your attention on the present, the only thing the future will include is a world of pain.
 
2005-03-18 01:08:16 PM  
Yet another question:

In a sci-fi sing-off, who would win: Audrey II, or Dr. Frankenfurter?

Audrey II: A mean green mother from outerspace

Frankenfurter: A sweet transvestite from transsexual Transylvania
 
2005-03-18 01:08:43 PM  
atlas you are like WAY behind the curve.
 
2005-03-18 01:12:34 PM  
Zygar

On a related note, what do Star Wars blasters fire? Can't be lasers b/c you can see them leave the guns and seem to be about a foot long.

They are lasers, though. They turn on, start emitting a laser pulse, then turn off after about a foot of beam has been blasted. The reason you can see them is because they're slow lasers.
 
2005-03-18 01:13:14 PM  
I *love* you all. Easily one of the best threads.
 
2005-03-18 01:13:59 PM  
Zygar

On a related note, what do Star Wars blasters fire? Can't be lasers b/c you can see them leave the guns and seem to be about a foot long.

They're either plasma throwers or just high-energy slugthrowers. If you were to fire a tracer round through an AK-47 you'd see a visible light trail that vaguely resembles that of a SW blaster.
 
2005-03-18 01:16:29 PM  
[image from images.amazon.com too old to be available]

AdamAntium?

/got nothin'
 
2005-03-18 01:16:59 PM  
...

\stares in utter disbelief at the amount of ppl contributing to this thread...
 
2005-03-18 01:17:08 PM  
I wonder how many farkers will lose their jobs today because the spent the whole friggin day reading this dumb thread.

Third dumbest thread ever.
 
2005-03-18 01:18:58 PM  
zygar: never say anybody in Star Wars ever reload, so I doubt they are slug throwers :)
 
2005-03-18 01:25:09 PM  
fark should have three or four threads like this every day. Enough to keep the utter and complete losers busy~
 
2005-03-18 01:25:15 PM  
The Saint of Killers:

What the hell kind of fanboy are you?! In a fight against anyone, Batman always wins!

A friend of mine once said, "Batman will always win a fight because Batman cheats."

Two words: Broken Back.


Come on! That was a one time thing. Besides, Azrael (Temporary replacement Batman) completely pWn3d Bane, and after Bruce's back healed he made fake-Batman cry.
 
2005-03-18 01:25:38 PM  
NathanAllen

Nah, read the new book: Spellfire for Rahl, he's seriously pussified.

I pre-ordered Chainfire and read it several times.

1. No Kahlan

Business as usual. Goodkind always separates those two.

2. No Sword of Truth

He's been denied the use of the SoT before. Hell, at the end of one book he went all Mortal Kombat on one of his relatives and ripped out the guy's spine with his bare hands. That was cool. And by cool I mean totally sweet!

3. Anytime he actually figures out how to use his magic there's some stupidly named blood beast that'll come to kill him.

So? Sure, the name was a biatcheesy, but one of the "old farts" had named one of the earlier baddies after his frkking cat. It's a beast of some kind, and it's tuned to Richard through his blood. "Blood beast" will do for now until Richard reads the right manual and figures out what it really is.

4. He's more likely to make the situation worse by sticking to the whole "this is my life and I'll live it however I see fit... even if that means destroying all of existance because I missed my wife"

Actually, the threat to existence isn't his fault. It's the fault of some uber-biatches meddling with the spell whose name is the title of the book, remember?

So basically he's a guy who suffers periodic migranes, is constantly going through seperation after seperation with his wife, who hangs out with a blonde dominatrix, a former pron star, and three old farts.

And Wolverine is an amnesiac with a bad attitude who sprouts claws, has issues with authority and teamwork, and doesn't know when to quit.

But at least he's close to figuring out that all he had to do from umm Book 3 on was go back to the People's Palace and open the Boxes of Ordan, oh wait, too late they're gone too.

Actually, he already figured out that he needed Orden to undo Chainfire. Did you actually read the frkking novel, or did you just skim the damned thing?
 
2005-03-18 01:26:24 PM  
just wanted to add my two cents here. I would think a lightsaber would easily cut through adamantium. Simply because Adamantium is the strongest substance known on earth. That leaves a lot of leeway for other things to be stronger than it, especially things of an otherworldy origin such as a lightsaber.

that being said wolverine would make a good dark jedi.... lightsaber claws anyone? That would be entirely too bad ass...

/come to the dark side my child
 
2005-03-18 01:26:55 PM  
I want the last hour back. That hour I spent reading this.
 
2005-03-18 01:27:46 PM  
Captain Irrelevance

Audrey II: A mean green mother from outerspace

Frankenfurter: A sweet transvestite from transsexual Transylvania


Neither.

[image from 5thelement.jinak.cz too old to be available]

The Diva would rule them both.
 
2005-03-18 01:27:55 PM  
.....too.......many...nerds.

......losing.....power.....


.....
 
2005-03-18 01:28:09 PM  
Hahahaha

What a great thread. No slapping!
 
2005-03-18 01:28:48 PM  
What about a BONGsaber?
 
2005-03-18 01:29:14 PM  
MatterEatLad

.....too.......many...nerds.

......losing.....power.....


Stop whinging or I'll summon Bahamut all over your hard drive.
 
2005-03-18 01:29:30 PM  
GWShenlong05: Adamantium cannot be penetrated by any other solid object.


Then how do they make Wolverine's skeleton and claws out of it? I mean, if they can't cut/shape or form it, how do they do that?

errrm.... *cough* I mean, where's the boobies?
 
2005-03-18 01:30:41 PM  
Re: Enterprise v. A destroyer.

It's rather obvious. Since Phaser weapons fire FASTER than the speed light, and the enterprise can travel faster than light [multiples of warp] and fight at the same time, while the destroyers fire regular lasers which would travel AT the speed of light. I'd have to hand the victory to the enterprise based on speed and capability.
 
2005-03-18 01:31:28 PM  
Submitter, why do you hate Captain America?
 
2005-03-18 01:32:05 PM  
Sigh, the Enterprise/Star Destroyer debate was settled a long time ago.

Enterprise scans shield freqency of the the SD; adjusts transporters; beams anti-matter bomb on Vader's lap. SD goes boom. Riker has sex with slave girls. The End.

As for Can a light saber cut through adamantium?...

Adamantium could block a lightsaber since it can't melt. Neither could cut Superman (OK Wolvies claws DID scratch him in a crossover but not deeply), unless the lightsaber has a kyrtonyte focusing crystal. And none of them can dystroy the One Ring because it is magic.

Sorry, no shortcuts for Frodo, he still has to march for months in to Mordor and have homoerotic adventures with Sam.
 
2005-03-18 01:32:06 PM  
*engages inner nerd*

1) Although adamantium cannot be DESTROYED by any known matter, the act of a lightsaber cutting it would not destroy it, just heat and separate the molecules.
2) The reason Superman is invulnerable to begin with is the extreme density of his molecules (at least according to old-school canon), therefore the theoretical adamantium bullet would not penetrate his skin, unless:
---a)the tip were honed to a monomolecular point, and
---b)Superman's molecules are larger than said point
3) As soon as the lightsaber sliced through enough planetary material to immerse the weapon fully, the heat of the molten material would indeed begin destroying the hilt, and therefore the weapon, qed.
4) A bullet made of admantium could be fired from a standard firearm without destroying the hammer because firearms fire projectiles by using the rapid expansion of explosive gasses, forcing the bullet down the barrel. The only theoretical damage the firearm would take would be extreme wear on the barrel, and thus any rifling present.
5) Cyclops' eyebeams are force, not heat. They do impact damage. On few occasions he has focused his eyes into a small enough beam to burn through something using the heat generated by the resulting friction, but according to what I have read, they aren't "laser beam eyes".
6) Wolverine, due to his weak mind, would be sorely vulnerable to a Jedi's many psionic-based abilities. His admantium skeleton would conduct the force-generated lighting like a lightning rod, destroying his tissues, and the lightsaber itself would burn away the flesh from his adamantium skeleton, as well as cut the actual bones for reasons already discussed.
7) Wolverine is no longer vulnerable to Magneto's powers due to the fact that Magneto tore the admantium from Wolverine's bones through the very pores in his skin, burning out his mutant healing factor in the process (unless much has changed since I stopped reading). Wolvering would give Magneto a much tougher run for his money now that the metal is gone. As a side note, this very injury make Wolverine less likely to survive the encounter detailed in "6", above.

/uber-nerd
/waits eagerly for attention from Mel
/stopped reading the thread 33% of the way through
 
2005-03-18 01:33:58 PM  
Let's not forget that in KOTOR there are blades that can go head to head with lightsabers. There are also body sheilds that can deflect lightsabers.

Of couse this is all a couple of thousand years before the original trilolgy, so other things have most likely been developed by some outlying races.
 
2005-03-18 01:34:01 PM  
Adamantium requires 20,000 joules of energy to melt (yes, I googled it...)

http://www.hoboes.com/html/RPG/BrandX/Rules/AdventuringAids.html

While a light saber (or plasma sword if you prefer) operates in a pure plasma state, confied by an energy field of unknown origin and focused by crystals of unknown origin.

Plasma for fusion is kept at 100 million degrees Kelvin:

http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/phys/fusion-confine.html

It would easily melt through adamantium.
 
2005-03-18 01:34:07 PM  
What about lightningbolts?
 
2005-03-18 01:34:27 PM  
In a fight, who would win: A Jedi knight made out of solid adamantium, or Wolverine with lightsabers for claws?
 
2005-03-18 01:35:17 PM  
I just spent 4 hours reading this thread, I'm amazed.

also.

I do not believe the lightsabre would use heat/plasma/anything that generates photons. if it did, it would mean that the containment for the radiation is quite poor since you can actually see the sabres blade. and if you can see the blade that means that other things from the light spectrum are also escaping from the surface of the blade...heat....radiation.. so anyone near it would burn up..well if its as powerful as thought. I'm going with that the actual blade is invisible and there is a small LED light in the sabre weilders handle that projects the light, dim enough to filter through the invisible blade/catching whatever is moving around in there and thats why we can see the sabre.....on a side note. I make no sense
 
2005-03-18 01:35:34 PM  
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one last hoorah
 
2005-03-18 01:37:19 PM  
All right, hand over the lunch money. All of it!
[image from cjonline.com too old to be available]
 
2005-03-18 01:37:29 PM  
also. Wolverine, his skeleton is hard to break/unbreakable... why break his ones? just pop them out of their sockets.... easy as that. I'm sure he does not have ademantium cartalidge
 
2005-03-18 01:37:32 PM  
I would like to see the Excalibur sword from the original Final Fantasy (made with Adamant) go up against the Light Saber. Although that's probably like saying someone with a Light Axe taking on someone with the Masmune would be cool too.

/surprizingly not a geek
 
2005-03-18 01:38:40 PM  
Think you'd be pissed as Jubilee founding out her powers are fireworks? Imagine being this guy:

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/cypher.htm
 
2005-03-18 01:38:58 PM  
lewisbrett, I'll see your FF1 Excalibur and raise you a FF4 Ragnarok (aka the "crystal sword" in FF2 for SNES)
 
2005-03-18 01:41:06 PM  
ALSO.....

Geeks are nerds with social skills.
/psuedo geek
 
2005-03-18 01:41:23 PM  
Unless Wolverine's ligaments are also admantium, they could be separated. Thus separating a few vertebrae would be achievable, and sucking the sweet crazy straw of nerve tissue we like to call a cord, out. Or something.
 
2005-03-18 01:42:43 PM  
Actually stopped playing after FF2.
Someone told me that chicks don't dig guys that play RPGs.
 
2005-03-18 01:42:48 PM  
Last comment before I get back to work. Anyone still wondering about who would win in a fight between Batman and Captain America?

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Not Batman.
 
2005-03-18 01:43:28 PM  
Wow..I love Star wars and all but this is really really sad... unlimited posts?! :/
 
2005-03-18 01:43:53 PM  
Zygar
Yea, Cypher died -pretty- quick.
 
2005-03-18 01:45:12 PM  

Lightsabers are constructed out of the most sacred and rare crystals. Padwan learner Jedi must make their own before they are able to advance in their training. The crystal emits a beam of thightly focused energy, coming from the crystal it has in it, and dependent on the color of the crystal, the beam comes out a specific color. The lightsaber is able to cut through absolutely ANYTHING...except another lightsaber beam...so, yes, the answer is YES...weeee....



/slice
//looked it up on the internet...and am a HUGE star wars geek
 
2005-03-18 01:45:25 PM  
Of course a lightsaber would cut through adamantium.

As for the question of could Wolverine be beaten by a lightsaber, it would depend on who is weilding it. Obviously, Joe-Schmo would get his ass handed to him, but put the saber in the hands of a Jedi or someone who is a servent the Dark Side, Wolverine wouldn't stand a chance.

As for the comment about Yoda getting destryoed by Goku, first, why would that ever happen? Second, Force users can have this ability to absorb or dissipate energy which comes in contact with their bodies (ala the Empire Strikes Back when Han shoots blaster bolts at Vader are he puts up his hand and the shots do nothing), so I don't think that the Spirit Bomb would do too much. Not to mention that a Spirit Bomb is based on the same energy as the Force itself, so if needed, Yoda would be able to halt the entire process of collecting the energy to begin with.

As for the theory of lightsaber claws, I'm not going to touch that with a ten foot pole.
 
F42
2005-03-18 01:46:05 PM  
Captain Irreverence:

In a fight, who would win: A Jedi knight made out of solid adamantium, or Wolverine with lightsabers for claws?


You bow to no one!

And it would be Wolverine, because a Jedi statue made of solid metal is neat an' all, but you just gave 6 lightsabers to wolverine! : )
 
2005-03-18 01:46:41 PM  
Saint of Killers
Panel 3 of that page leads me to believe that Batman would, in the end, win. He wouldn't hesitate.
 
2005-03-18 01:47:15 PM  
Yea, Cypher died -pretty- quick.

Cypher (Doug) was brought in to be a romantic foil for the Kitty Pryde/Colossus relationship. She should NEVER have been made into a mutant and added to the NM. Oh, and after he died, he should have NEVER been brought back.
 
2005-03-18 01:47:52 PM  
lewisbrett

Actually stopped playing after FF2.
Someone told me that chicks don't dig guys that play RPGs.


That someone was lying. You've just got to find the right chick. My wife's a Neverwinter Nights junkie, and she still hasn't given back my GBA and my copy of Sword of Mana.
 
2005-03-18 01:48:26 PM  
Panel 3 of that page leads me to believe that Batman would, in the end, win. He wouldn't hesitate.

It's like you read my mind.
 
2005-03-18 01:49:00 PM  
What if Wolvie could manipulate the force and the jedi had a healing factor?
oooooh...

/blowing his own geeky mind...
 
2005-03-18 01:49:45 PM  
Okay, so it's possible for adamantium to plausibly be effected by a lightsaber. But someone mention said jedi "cutting off" the helmet of Juggernaut, yet even Wolverine's claws didn't cut it. I believe it was a combination of Cyclops, Jubille, Jean Grey, and Wolverine that were able to remove the helmet. So how would a Jedi get it done? And if I'm not mistaken isn't Juggs' incredibly fast? There were a few times where he rammed Wolvy before he could get out of the way.

But I still pose this question:

Luke vs. Anakin?

Dark Phoneix or Silver Surfer vs. All of the Jedi/Sith in existence?

And a more interesting fight than a jedi and Wolvy, how 'bout Jango vs. Wolvy? Hunting one another
 
2005-03-18 01:50:42 PM  
Damn, I feel like I'm gaining weight and sprouting a goatee just reading this. Still, I think it's hilarious, especially the anti-nerd invective that has been unleashed. Thank you to those who posted the "how lightsabers work" info.
 
2005-03-18 01:50:52 PM  
Hebalo
Cypher (Doug) was brought in to be a romantic foil for the Kitty Pryde/Colossus relationship. She should NEVER have been made into a mutant and added to the NM. Oh, and after he died, he should have NEVER been brought back.

Surely you do not mock... DOUGLOCK!

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2005-03-18 01:51:47 PM  
And they wonder why America's productivity continues to fall.

/the intarweb will be America's downfall
//hypocrit
 
2005-03-18 01:52:56 PM  
The FF series got more into story and away from mindlessly looking for random battles to level up and get more gold.
That didn't appeal to me.

/special bus rider
 
2005-03-18 01:55:00 PM  
This is funny, I just started playing Knights of the Old Republic 1 and now everything I look at seems to mention Star Wars in some way. All I can really contribute to this thread is by saying Bastila is one sexy momma.
 
2005-03-18 01:55:00 PM  
Who would win: A women with adamantium boobies, or a man with a lightsaber for a weener?
 
2005-03-18 01:55:12 PM  
okay, here's the deal..

The reason it took so long for the Lightsabre to cut through the door in Episode 1, was not because it was hindered in movement.. But simply because the door was thicker then the length of the blade. If they had cut a circle out, the door would have sat there with a circular incision.

Hence, it was more effective to use the Saber to melt the door, then to cut through it. The metal did -not- slow down that saber at all. :)
 
F42
2005-03-18 01:56:02 PM  
The Saint of Killers:

Anyone still wondering about who would win in a fight between Batman and Captain America?

It depends, is Batman expecting a fight with Cap, or is this a random encounter deal?

'cause if Batman is prepared, he will not loose. But he'd get his ass handed to him if the Cap just upped and attacked him, sure. Bats wasn't mutated by the army.
 
2005-03-18 01:58:02 PM  
One thing to remember: you don't have to be Jedi or Sith to use a lightsabre -- Han Solo used one just fine to slice a tauntaun, and Ben Kenobi in Episode IV seemed to imply they were at one point the predominant weapon of the Star Wars universe.
 
2005-03-18 01:58:16 PM  
This topic is the EXACT reason why I love Fark. Jesus I can't believe this thing went to infinity. Incredible.
 
2005-03-18 01:58:25 PM  
Batman defeated Wolverine
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...the Punisher...
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...and a Predator.
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The Saint of Killers:

Batman may be willing to cheat, but Captain America is willing to kill and that's a far more effective way of winning a fight.

Batman is above killing random street thugs, but he has no problem with taking the lives of other superheroes/villains. If you can recall, he refused to join the Justice League until he figured out how to kill all of them. Hell, he keeps a wad of Krpytonite in his back pocket at all times just in case! He has an Uncle Ben-like attitude towards people with powers: he figures if they aren't responsible enough to know what they are doing and the risks they are taking, they have no business living with said abilities.

In addition to Captain America and the above pictures,Batman has historically defeated Superman, the Swamp Thing and Tarzan. It doesn't matter who the enemy is, Batman always wins.
 
2005-03-18 01:59:35 PM  
2005-03-18 01:55:00 PM Captain Irreverence


Who would win: A women with adamantium boobies, or a man with a lightsaber for a weener?



We would all lose.
 
2005-03-18 02:01:26 PM  
lewisbrett

The FF series got more into story and away from mindlessly looking for random battles to level up and get more gold.
That didn't appeal to me.


Funny; I buy FF games for the story. If I just wanted hack 'n slash, I'd play Nethack.
 
2005-03-18 02:02:11 PM  
We've already lost
 
2005-03-18 02:03:03 PM  
YOU PEOPLE DO REALISE THAT NONE OF THIS IS REAL?
 
2005-03-18 02:03:33 PM  
Who would win: rhubarb or a banana?