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2005-03-18 02:32:18 AM  
mrjared:

Plus, wouldn't they have had to cut the adamantium somehow in order to shape it or whatnot to fit on Wolverines bones?

Yes, they had to melt it though, i'm not exactly sure how they got it to such a high melting point, were able to find something to hold the liquid so that they could create the structure and allow it to cool, but apparently they did, so yes you're probably right there, unless of course if once cooled Adamantium couldn't be melted ever again.

Ah, fictional elements.
 
2005-03-18 02:32:28 AM  
ThatDevGuy:

Very true. We'd have to hone the point of the hypothetical bullet to the size of a Superman skin cell, so it would work its way between components of his flesh,

Not possible, I don't think. When Superman died, the Army attempted to autopsy him, and it wasn't possible, because his skin kept turning away the needles. I'm sure the Army would have developed needles for just such an occasion, and they still failed in clinical trial.

Skin isn't one thin layer with the cells lined up next to each other perfectly; it's like a micro-chain mail, which overlaps and wrinkles. Even if that bullet made its way past two individual cells, it would be turned away by the grouping of cells behind it. The bullet could not actually penetrate the cells. Remember, molecules of different objects do not merge, because they have a repellent force. Even his skin cells would be bulletproof.

and work out the aerodynamics of the rest so that the air resistance did not deform the bullet in transit.

Adamantium cannot be deformed by transit. Collision with other particles in the air would result in destruction of those particles, and the bullet would be transferred from point A to point B with perfect retention of its properties.



Remember Old School? When Frank blacks out and debates James Carville? That's kinda what happens to me when I talk geeky.
 
2005-03-18 02:32:50 AM  
Custom5: unless of course if once cooled Adamantium couldn't be melted ever again

I'm pretty sure that's how it works...
 
2005-03-18 02:33:37 AM  
GWShenlong05

Touche, sir.
 
2005-03-18 02:34:50 AM  
ThatDevGuy: I'm pretty sure that's how it works...

Remember that Bizarro thing I said earlier, it applies here too. Dang posting after someone says exactly the same thing and not knowing until too late.
 
2005-03-18 02:37:11 AM  
GWShenlong05:

Adamantium cannot be deformed by transit. Collision with other particles in the air would result in destruction of those particles, and the bullet would be transferred from point A to point B with perfect retention of its properties.

An Adamantium bullet as small as Superman's cells couldn't exactly travel very far anyway, gravity and the like.
 
2005-03-18 02:38:07 AM  
Old School? When Frank blacks out and debates James Carville

That was NOT debate. Not even close.

/debate nerd.
 
2005-03-18 02:40:28 AM  
An Adamantium bullet

if all this stuff is true about the adamantium destroying particles and whatnot, how would one fire an adamantium bullet? I would think then that the hammer would just get farked when in struck the bullet. I don't know enough about guns to figure that out.
 
2005-03-18 02:43:47 AM  
I remember reading that if a light saber were to fall end-over-end, it would continue falling through an entire planet, unaffected by friction.

Yeah, but it took em what, a few minutes just to cut through a metal door. Imagine that happening with rock (higher melting point). Which brings us to the following questions.

1) Just how long would it take for a lightsabre to melt its way through an entire planet.

2) How deep into the planet can the sabre go before the heat becomes too great and destroys the hilt and the mechanics contained within.
 
2005-03-18 02:43:57 AM  
mrjared: I would think then that the hammer would just get farked when in struck the bullet.

There was a rail gun idea introduced, it works for know, but I doubt that the hammer would get destroyed.
 
2005-03-18 02:45:25 AM  
mrjared:

I would think then that the hammer would just get farked when in struck the bullet. I don't know enough about guns to figure that out.

ThatDevGuy postulated that the bullet would be fired by a rail gun, which uses high-powered magnets to fire (project?) the bullets at an extremely high velocity, rather than gunpowder.

Custom5:

An Adamantium bullet as small as Superman's cells couldn't exactly travel very far anyway, gravity and the like.

He only said that the point of the bullet would be honed small enough to wedge between two cells. Still wouldn't penetrate the skin.

With that, I'm off to bed.
 
2005-03-18 02:48:01 AM  
Lightsabers ignore the hardness of any material when attacking an object. Additionally, lightsabers ignore the Damage Reduction of manufactured armor. Energy shields, cortosis weave, and other lightsabers are the only things that can reliably be used to block or deflect a lightsaber strike.

So, short answer, yes.
 
2005-03-18 02:52:22 AM  
lordargent:

1) Just how long would it take for a lightsabre to melt its way through an entire planet.

2) How deep into the planet can the sabre go before the heat becomes too great and destroys the hilt and the mechanics contained within.


1. If the handle wasn't destroyed it would probably take more than a few days, a Death Star would be much more efficient.

2. If the rock has a higher melting point than the metal handle then it probably wouldn't take too long before the cell is destroyed and the crystal is rendered useless as a planet destroying object.
 
2005-03-18 02:52:51 AM  
I am going to go all geeky for a minute.

In the last series of books that I read, some alien species had come through from another universe, or somewhere that the Republic could not explore.

Their warriors had living staffs that had several abilities. One was to be able to block lightsabers.

These aliens also could not be felt by the force. They kicked serious Jedi ass.

Continue your geekdom.
 
2005-03-18 02:54:53 AM  
Dimensiation: These aliens also could not be felt by the force. They kicked serious Jedi ass.

Didn't they wage a giant war killing Anakin, Luke's son?
 
2005-03-18 02:58:55 AM  
Custom5: Didn't they wage a giant war killing Anakin, Luke's son?

I don't know. I've only read one or two, and haven't followed it since 4 years ago or so.

Chewie died to save Han's son Anakin.

They kill tons of people, and destroy some planets. The Republic had no idea what to do when I last read.
 
2005-03-18 03:01:38 AM  
...that if a light saber were to fall end-over-end, it would continue falling through an entire planet, unaffected by friction.

Lightsabers, are activated by the jedi and his manipulation of the force and metachlorians within himself. When a lightsaber is separated from it's jedi knight, it becomes deactivated until reunited with said knight. (usually by using telekinetic force.)

If a light saber were to fall end-over-end, it would hit the floor, and roll into a corner, just slightly out of reach of the jedi knight.
 
2005-03-18 03:06:26 AM  
KleanKutKid:

Lightsabers, are activated by the jedi and his manipulation of the force and metachlorians within himself. When a lightsaber is separated from it's jedi knight, it becomes deactivated until reunited with said knight. (usually by using telekinetic force.)

Light sabers aren't activated by the force, they actually use buttons, it is possible to control a saber by the force, but the force isn't a contributing factor. If it was Han Solo wouldn't have been able to use it while Luke was knocked out if I can correctly remember.
 
2005-03-18 03:09:22 AM  
crap.
forgot that scene.

/what the hell was Han doing with light saber? That's like giving a chimpanzee a revolver.
 
2005-03-18 03:09:35 AM  
KleanKutKid:

Lightsabers, are activated by the jedi and his manipulation of the force and metachlorians within himself.

According to my geek boyfriend:

Metacholorians have nothing to do with lightsabers. Han Solo activated Luke's lightsaber by pressing a button on the saber to slice open the Taun-taun(sp?) to keep Luke warm on the planet Hoth.

Vader, used the force to keep the button on the lightsaber depressed when he threw it at Luke on the gangway. Then he pressed the button again when he retreived it.
 
2005-03-18 03:11:22 AM  
KleanKutKid
metachlorians

Bzzzzt! Disqualified!

The above posts address the lightsaber part of your post, and you should be kicked out for referencing that metachlorian crap in an argument about Star Wars.

/now that is a geeky comment
 
2005-03-18 03:33:52 AM  
It seems to me, ages and ages ago, when my friends (who, though I was a nerd, were so much more nerdier than I,) played the Star Wars RPG, one of them explained to me that while someone who cannot use the force (IE Han Solo) can technically use a lightsaber, the user must be force-sensitive to effectivly use it in combat. The reasoning was that the blade, being made of accelerated particles, was weightless, so you wouldn't have a lot of sense of movement in swinging it. So it took an awareness of the Force to know where the blade was at all times, to avoid lopping of one's head, arms, or whatever.

It's completely useless to the conversation at hand, but it's the one thing I remember from that time, and at the time I thought it was kind of a neat idea.

Also, thanks for bringing up Cortosis weave. I was trying to remember what it was called. when I played Knights of the old Republic I was irked that I could block a lightsaber with a metal sword until my buddy explained it to me.

(Yes, I am a geek, I'm just not as big a geek as some.)
 
2005-03-18 09:20:55 AM  
Would you like to see my Drizzt Do-urden book collection?


can someone please explain to me the significance of Drizzt Do-urden?
 
2005-03-18 09:23:09 AM  
captain kirk would find a way to win
 
2005-03-18 09:25:58 AM  
Can the monorail out run the Flash?
Yes.
Can Superman outrun the Flash?
Sure why not...

/random Simpsons quote
 
2005-03-18 09:26:51 AM  
Adamantium? I'm guessing this is an element named after Adam Ant?
 
2005-03-18 09:27:04 AM  
Short answer - wolverine would be shish kabob
 
2005-03-18 09:27:42 AM  
What about Administranium? "Slows down chemical reactions; a reaction normally complete in less than a second will take several days in its presence."

Or Atmospherium? It has powers that have yet to be discoverd by Science!
 
2005-03-18 09:27:57 AM  
I think the real question is, who would win in a fight between Batman and a lightsaber?
 
2005-03-18 09:28:33 AM  
The answer is no.

Anything in the Marvel Univ. that is made of adamantium (Wolverine's skeleton, Cyber's skin, Bullseye's spine, Ultron itself, Cap America's shield) is pretty much indestructable. The only two things I can recall being broken or destroyed would be Cap's shield (which has a combination of other metals in it) and Wolverine's skeleton during the Infinity Gauntlet series.
 
2005-03-18 09:29:14 AM  
For the record, Superman can move very fast. Say a random Jedi on one side and an expert marksman with an adamantium bullet loaded rifle. So batman told him that jedi can use mental powers, so to be careful, so superman just flies at ungodly speed towards the jedi (spinning the earth on it's axis type of speed). Force powers or not, even from a couple of hundred feet, the jedi has no chance to react and Superman will simply rip his head off. Then just as fast, Superman could hurl the Jedi's head at the marksman so fast that it would burst into flames on the way there and the burning jedi skull would fly into the marksman at such devastating speed, it would kill him instantly. So even if Adamantium and a lightsaber could penetrate Superman's skin, we'll never really know. Now, if you gave a lightsaber to Flash...
 
2005-03-18 09:30:06 AM  
 
2005-03-18 09:30:44 AM  
rogue's hiney would kill a man or maybe a man would kill for rogue's hiney
/obvious
 
2005-03-18 09:30:45 AM  
Ah ha ha ha!!

You guys are fun! :D
 
2005-03-18 09:31:31 AM  
Dimensiation [TotalFark]

Custom5: Didn't they wage a giant war killing Anakin, Luke's son?

I don't know. I've only read one or two, and haven't followed it since 4 years ago or so.

Chewie died to save Han's son Anakin.

They kill tons of people, and destroy some planets. The Republic had no idea what to do when I last read.


After something like 19 long, drawn out books, they eventually figured out a way to defeat them, at first by figuring out a bio-engineered retrovirus that the jedi put the kaibosh on for being unethical, after which they realized they were a relation to a planet that was endowed with force abilities, and also the ability to travel independantly throughout their galazy. They tracked down the planet, eventually fought the aliens to a standstill,and offered them a truce if they stayed on that planet. LAME LAME LAME ending to a long winded seemingly endless series if you ask me.
 
2005-03-18 09:31:44 AM  
i thought adamantium couldn't be melted, once it harded
so a lightsaber could go thru it (the engery i mean of it) .. but it wouldn't hurt the metal any.. so if you had adamantium armour.. u'd still die.. but your lightsaber weilding assasain could then pick up your armor and it would be fine.. if not slighty hot

// whoa.. i dunno where that came from
 
2005-03-18 09:31:58 AM  
Do you remember how long it takes to slice through blast doors? I expect that a lightsaber could cut through admantium, but it would take a long time - like the age of the universe long.
 
2005-03-18 09:32:53 AM  
I'd say if the adimantium is coated with cortosis, the light saber wouldn't be able to penetrate it.
 
2005-03-18 09:33:28 AM  
Of course you could kill Superman W a lightsaber, simply modify the blade W a kryptonite crystal at a workbench and youd cut him to ribbons.

Bask in my geekiness for incorporating Game, comic, and SW geekiness all in one post.
 
2005-03-18 09:33:50 AM  
Damn straight it can. Obi-wan could take Wolverine any day.
 
2005-03-18 09:33:56 AM  
NERDS!


/still loving the thread...
 
2005-03-18 09:34:00 AM  
Who would win in a fight, a hurricane, or Mike Ditka?

Keep in mind the hurricane's name is Ditka.

 
2005-03-18 09:34:42 AM  
Light sabers can't cut through light sabers. Why is that?
 
2005-03-18 09:34:46 AM  
Nonsense, CatholicSamurai, what about when Magneto extracted the adamantium from Wolverine's skeleton? That was a pretty major change to the metal itself (though one could argue that the indiviual particals were simply ripped out through W's pores, I suppose).

Personally, I don't think a sabre could cut through true adamantium, though I'm sure it'd make a mess of the secondary stuff. The REAL question, though, is what it would do vs. Wakandan Vibranium.

I say a light sabre would be powerless against that stuff.
 
2005-03-18 09:35:00 AM  
what is the lightsaber handle made out of? am i the only one wondering this?
 
2005-03-18 09:35:41 AM  
Why the hell can't I meet girls like the ones in this thread in real life?

Anyway, I would say no, since a lightsaber can't cut through the aformentioned "cortosis" and admantium is supposed to be the hardest substance in the universe. Then again, cortosis is an EU (expanded universe, meaning not in the actual films) and therefore doesn't really exist. Everything in the films does. Or did. Thank you.
 
2005-03-18 09:35:59 AM  
CatholicSamurai

Anything in the Marvel Univ. that is made of adamantium (Wolverine's skeleton, Cyber's skin, Bullseye's spine, Ultron itself, Cap America's shield) is pretty much indestructable.


Captain America's shield is actually not made of Adamantium. It is composed of Vibranium which is Adamantium's energy absorbing cousin. Since both metals were invented by Myron McClain, they are often mistaken for one another.

/Kurt Busiek has nothing on THIS geek
 
2005-03-18 09:36:21 AM  
Yes. Lightsabers are some sort of tight, non-thermal parallel beam of plasma energy. That Plama energy causes what ever it touches to heat up and melt (or if like skin, vaporize)

Some Starwars Geek Lore:
Force is only used at the end of construction. Once all the pieces are assembled, the Jedi uses the Force to meld them on a molecular or lower level, permitting unheard-of energy efficiency. This efficiency is what allows the blades to remain lit and active for long periods of time. The only real energy drain is when the blade comes into contact with something.
 
2005-03-18 09:36:22 AM  
NineInchNader:

Nonsense, CatholicSamurai, what about when Magneto extracted the adamantium from Wolverine's skeleton? That was a pretty major change to the metal itself (though one could argue that the indiviual particals were simply ripped out through W's pores, I suppose).

Dude, Magneto can control freaking magnetism! Of course he could rip it out, but it didnt slide out, it just was forced out because he controls the very essence of what keeps it together.
 
2005-03-18 09:36:39 AM  
what if the light saber had a kryptonite crytal?

what about a kryptonite tipped adamantium bullet?
 
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