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2005-03-17 01:25:56 AM
kidneystone:
PUH-leeze...yes the french are tyrants
there are reasons for those laws...look it up
 
2005-03-17 01:39:54 AM

I bet, if she did some research on the Internets, she could find some treatment ideas for his asthmas.


I bet, if you did some research on the Internets, you could find some treatment ideas for your incredibly small penis as well.

If not, I can forward about 1/2 my in-box to you, no problem.

/i keed i keed
 
2005-03-17 01:53:27 AM
shiatty kids come from shiatty parents. Duh.

Thats not true, you should be ashamed. IM pretty shiatty, but my parents are great. They really should have stopped at 1 kid though.
 
2005-03-17 02:07:40 AM
Donaldson said the boy has asthmas and other medical problems

Ahhh, sucks to his ass-mar.
 
2005-03-17 02:09:18 AM
what no tag?

I stole the teacher's goodbars..
now what will she do
oops
caused another melee

I blame Hershey's.
 
2005-03-17 02:15:45 AM
king_nacho: Um, arren't medical issues excused?
In Kentucky it doesn't matter. You get so many days of excused medical absences. Anymore and they are unexcused. So, if your child happens to catch the flu that keeps him out of school for a week, then gets the flu again in a month that keeps him out a week, some of those days will be unexcused. And, probably, that child will exceed the unexcused absence limit, and he's screwed for taking the tests he missed, making up the homework, etc. Now, suppose, your sick child has just had enough of school and you want to take him on a field trip... be a good parent... you just can't do it.


Xazer: but are simply too busy with their job or jobs or some other LEGITAMATE excuse
Hmm, too busy with a job to care for your child? I personally don't think ANY job is so important that you fail to raise your kid properly. It's not a legitamate excuse.
 
2005-03-17 02:32:50 AM
Oh yes, in school suspension. I had several of those for fighting in school. Hated school so much I skipped the entire month. So I was sent to Special Ed for the rest of the school year. They say that those were your best years of your life, BULL.
 
2005-03-17 03:22:16 AM
I don't know why kentucky wants to imprison parents for refusing to send their kids to prison.

Seems like a waste to me
 
2005-03-17 03:37:02 AM
Wheee! She gets stressed so she binge-eats! WTG Grandma! as the 5 year olds primary caregiver you should really try to plan on being alive when he turns 10 - stupid cow....
 
2005-03-17 04:12:38 AM
Kick ass!
 
2005-03-17 05:03:50 AM
This will surely set of a crazed search for the truancy geneome in 3.. 2.. 1 ..
 
2005-03-17 05:20:29 AM

Cecelia Donaldson, who received a letter about her 5-year-old grandson's absences, went to the school where the meeting was held but refused to enter the auditorium where the other parents heard remarks from county officials.


Donaldson said the boy has asthmas and other medical problems.


"I don't want to hear what Randy Nichols has to say," she said. "He needs to call my house when (my grandson is) up at 3 in the morning throwing up everything he ate."


Donaldson said she was furious after receiving Nichols' letter.


"I sat down and I ate three Mr. Goodbars because I was so angry," she said. "You can't lump parents in one group."



Sounds like the typical ashat parents in the school district in which I teach. IOW, she cannot be bothered to do a damn thing about their kid's education.

Let's look at this sorry-assed excuse for a grandmother/responsible parent. The kid is five, i.e., kindergarten age, the same as my granddaughter, yet he is starting off with a big attendance problem. He allegedly has asthma and Ms Donaldson is going on about how he is "throwing up at 3 in the morning everything he ate." Well, I just checked the Merck Manual to be sure and I do not see emesis as a listed symptom of asthma. Further, given common digestive times, it is exceedingly unlikely the kid is throwing up "everything he ate" at 3 AM unless he has been up for midnight or later snacks.

As to this indignant grandma showing up at the auditorium in response to the letter, yet refusing to go in and participate, it seems to me that is more due to her being not able to prove her case than anything else. It is much more easy to throw grenades via the press than to have to defend one's self in a public meeting where the school can offer counter arguments.

As to her being so angry that she was forced to chow down 3 candy bars, well, that just speaks volumes about her lack of self control and ability to enforce control on her grandchild or, for that matter, the kid's mother.

There are many days that I just cringe to think of what kind of world we have to face when these kids are adults.

 
2005-03-17 06:54:19 AM
Public schools are NOT free, people need to quit using that word. I pay hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars per year for your public school.

I also see nobody agreed with my concern that many of these cases were just record-keeping errors on the part of the government. I guess you are all right, the government is infallable in everything it does, and should be worshipped like a deity.
 
2005-03-17 07:11:10 AM
As long as they're skipping 8th grade or higher, it's fine. I missed around a year of school from 8th grade to 12th grade and it doesn't seem to have sent me packing for the welfare line. No, for some strange reason I'm one of the people paying for welfare. Farking socialist taxes.

/hit the bong, not the books
 
2005-03-17 07:23:22 AM
jack21221,I agree with you.The schools do not keep the best attendence records.My daughter had shoulder surgery,had to wear a sling to school,and the school still didn't believe she had surgery.I guess I'll have to take the bill into them.BTW,I don't live in Tn,I live in De
 
2005-03-17 07:41:25 AM
Oh and by the way...someone else referred to it but lets make it clear: The main reason the school district cares is because they don't get money for absent student. Doesn't matter if they're absent due to cancer/hit-by-a-bus or just truant. So I wouldn't put it past them to threaten any kids parents, even a sick kid

That's not quite the most stupid thing I've ever read on Fark, but it's close.

Schools receive their funding before the school year begins. Absent students have no role whatsoever in setting funding levels. Please, before you go and pull some random thought out of your backside, try to at least put a little effort into ensuring it's even halfway reasonable.

Why do schools care about absent and truant students? Well, the "from the book" answer is that schools are charged with making sure all students learn, and if students aren't in school they can't learn. Plus, during the school day, the student is technically a ward of the school. If a child leaves home and is supposed to go to school, and isn't there, and schools make no effort to find out *why* the child isn't there or *where* the child might be, litigous parents might go a little apeshiat.

But the real reason schools care about absent/truant students? Well, in this modern age in which education is centered about the vast, unfunded turd of idiocy that is the No Child Left Behind Act, high-stakes testing is the only thing that really matters to public schools anymore. If a school can't show that its students are all passing at the arbitrary level set by politicians in DC, and, further, can't show continous improvement (AYP)regardless of how high or low their scores might be, bad things happen. Bad things like losing money, losing local control, etc etc. Which, really, is the whole point of NCLB; a backhanded way for conservatives to get support for vouchers growing.
 
2005-03-17 08:44:29 AM
One point I didnt see anyone mention was that the other side of the truancy laws (and the reason for the compulsory part of the UN statement) is to make sure parents arent keeping their kids out of school to exploit them. Having that 12 year old work cleaning houses or in a sweatshop so the parents can pocket some cash, then toss the kid when it costs more to keep then it can bring in would cause a few social problems.

Another that wasnt mentioned is that (at my high school at least) if you missed 20 classes (excused or not) you failed the course. There are government rules as to the minimum hours of class you had to be there for if you wanted the credit. You missed 20 or more classes and you didnt have the minimum hours of instruction.

I'm not defending the school district, Im sure they are as worried about funds or standardized tests or something else at least as much as that the kids arent learning. But their job is to put asses in the seats so the teachers can try to teach. And since not everyone who pays the local taxes that pay for schools have kids, they probably do have to justify taking that money and turning out dropouts to people who dont want to pay for the teacher to lecture to an empty chair.

/doing my B.Ed. now.
//First time off for March Break in years!
 
2005-03-17 08:58:09 AM
//First time off for March Break in years!

If it's your first time off for March Break in years, what the hell are you doing on Fark? Get to the beach, son. Live a little.
 
2005-03-17 09:08:31 AM
"I sat down and I ate three Mr. Goodbars because I was so angry," she said. "You can't lump parents in one group."
_
Did they get this article from the Onion? Dare I call shenanigans? (I still have his number.)
 
2005-03-17 09:15:34 AM
Aulus, what do you think you're doing, introducing evidence and logic and critical thinking into a FARK discussion thread?

I once made that mistake once long ago and have since realized that no one here is going to be persuaded by that sort of thing.

C'mon, dude. Just make fun of the candy bars like everyone else.
 
2005-03-17 09:24:13 AM

One point I didnt see anyone mention was that the other side of the truancy laws (and the reason for the compulsory part of the UN statement) is to make sure parents arent keeping their kids out of school to exploit them. Having that 12 year old work cleaning houses or in a sweatshop so the parents can pocket some cash, then toss the kid when it costs more to keep then it can bring in would cause a few social problems.


Actually we have laws against that already that are no where related to truancy. Obviously if you homeschool your child, truancy laws don't apply and you can engage in this behavior if you wanted to - except you can't, because its illegal.


I'm not defending the school district, Im sure they are as worried about funds or standardized tests or something else at least as much as that the kids arent learning. But their job is to put asses in the seats so the teachers can try to teach. And since not everyone who pays the local taxes that pay for schools have kids, they probably do have to justify taking that money and turning out dropouts to people who dont want to pay for the teacher to lecture to an empty chair.


Standardized tests play a big role in many communities starting to enforce truancy laws. The way these guys are going about it however is mildly retarded (But hey, look what state they are in so what do you expect?). The way many local schools here are doing this is by having the police actually dedicate truancy officers to enforcing these laws during the school year. They do all sorts of things such as visiting kids homes and parents workplaces asking about their kids. Let me tell you, the first time someone gets a visit at their workplace by a police officer asking them "Why isn't your son in school?" is usually the last time said kid gets away with ditching.

It does no good to punish parents for their kids ditching school after the kids have already ruined their school year. The reason why these laws generally have fines and jail time associated with them is so that the DA can prosecute parents are willingly abet their kids ditching, not parents who have kids that can't be controlled or who are expert con-men. (Hey, I managed to get away with a hell of a lot myself when I was in school and my parents never had a clue.)

Also, this sort of heavy handed tactic is bone headed simply by the virtue that now you've managed to go from being a parents "ally" in getting their kids to stay in class, to being a direct antagonist to their parents. Nothing brings a misbehaving kid and their parents closer together than the parents feeling like the school (or in this case the DA) has it out for them.

Why do people get elevated to positions of power when they lack the fundemental understanding of how to get people to co-operate with them? I'll personally never understand it.
 
2005-03-17 09:41:58 AM
Why do people get elevated to positions of power when they lack the fundemental understanding of how to get people to co-operate with them? I'll personally never understand it.

Well, the reasons vary from profession to profession. In teaching, it's mainly because virtually the only way to get a poor teacher out of a classroom is to move him or her up into administration. Firing teachers for anything short of sexually abusing a child is almost impossible to do.
 
2005-03-17 09:59:26 AM
Why is Ms. Donaldson going to a meeting about the grandson? Maybe I'm being presumptuous, but I would bet the boy's parents are unfit. Gee, I wonder why? And the cycle of stupidity continues. This town needs a visit from Dr. Phil!
 
2005-03-17 10:02:13 AM
whilst
 
2005-03-17 10:03:30 AM
it's official: we're scared to use the irony tag now.
 
2005-03-17 10:13:37 AM
flg8or:

2005-03-16 11:48:25 PM flg8or

"I sat down and I ate three Mr. Goodbars because I was so angry," she said.

"Pain leads to anger. Anger leads to Mr. Goodbars. Mr. Goodbars lead to obesity. Fat you will be."


Made up a quick graphic for you



Link to image links
http://img176.exs.cx/done.php?l=img176/4572/fattenyoda3cy.jpg
 
2005-03-17 10:20:22 AM
triplenickel03 --
"Why is Ms. Donaldson going to a meeting about the grandson? Maybe I'm being presumptuous, but I would bet the boy's parents are unfit. Gee, I wonder why? And the cycle of stupidity continues. This town needs a visit from Dr. Phil!"


If "dead" qualifies as "unfit" then I guess you're right.

There's a lot of reasons to be raised by one's grandparents.


Aulus --
"Let's look at this sorry-assed excuse for a grandmother/responsible parent. The kid is five, i.e., kindergarten age, the same as my granddaughter, yet he is starting off with a big attendance problem. He allegedly has asthma and Ms Donaldson is going on about how he is "throwing up at 3 in the morning everything he ate." Well, I just checked the Merck Manual to be sure and I do not see emesis as a listed symptom of asthma. Further, given common digestive times, it is exceedingly unlikely the kid is throwing up "everything he ate" at 3 AM unless he has been up for midnight or later snacks."


Wow, just farking wow. You're a teacher posing as a doctor. You can make a diagnosis from a news bite, not a medical report mind you, a farking news bite. Damn, you're good. Why are you teaching? You should be making the big bucks as the psychic doctor.

If you taught at my kid's school, I would be really hesitant about sending him too. Why in the hell would I want my kids to be taught by an asshat such as yourself?

Oh, but wait, that's not all!


"As to this indignant grandma showing up at the auditorium in response to the letter, yet refusing to go in and participate, it seems to me that is more due to her being not able to prove her case than anything else. It is much more easy to throw grenades via the press than to have to defend one's self in a public meeting where the school can offer counter arguments."


That's one beautiful example of critical thinking or I should say, conclusion jumping. Yea, I want my kids taught by you. No doubt about it. You need to take that psychic talent on the road, seriously. At least you would be away from kids.



"As to her being so angry that she was forced to chow down 3 candy bars, well, that just speaks volumes about her lack of self control and ability to enforce control on her grandchild or, for that matter, the kid's mother."

How about that self-control. A simple news bite has you here on Fark blasting these people from end of the spectrum to the other and making judgements about them.



"There are many days that I just cringe to think of what kind of world we have to face when these kids are adults."

I think we're in worse straights with a person like you as a teacher. You're a walking poster child for the elimination of teacher's unions.

Please, for the sake of our kids, get a new profession. You have no business being around children.
 
2005-03-17 10:40:35 AM
The last high school I went to had a unique way of dealing with absenteeism. You were alotted 10 missed classes (can't remember if the for only unexplained or not) for the semester. At the end of the semester the added all the missed classes above the 10 for all four courses and each missed represented 1 hour of "In-Lieu of time".

This time was spent in the lecteur theater sitting quietly reading, tiwddling you thumbs etc. The time was scheduled for after exams so studying wasn't an option. If you choose not to do the time you failed the class.

Total of 17 hours.
 
2005-03-17 10:41:08 AM
great story, love the goodbar ending.
 
2005-03-17 10:50:50 AM
Gee, that's a surprise.
 
2005-03-17 10:52:27 AM
Pretty obvious.

So many parents are just useless these days.

I had a table at the restaurant I worked at about a year ago. It was both parents and 3 or 4 kids. While the parents where eating the kids were climbing on and under the table. They were climbing all over the booths bothering other tables. Making a huge mess with their food. The parents DID NOTHING. They just sat there and ignored their kids while they turned our restaurant into their personal playground. It took the manager to tell them to keep the kids in their seats and the parents gave the manager a look like 'who the hell are you to tell us how to raise our kids.' This isn't uncommon anywhere you go. I would have caught a backhand when I was a kid doing that.
 
2005-03-17 10:54:17 AM
SoggyKeyboard: PROOF, definative proof that yor child was sick or otherwise unable to attend

she should bag her kid's vomit and send it in. Why keep letting the toilet get all the great vomit? It seems like the school is jealous of the porcelain.
 
2005-03-17 11:37:57 AM
And you also sounded so darned surprise that the government could 1) provide FREE education and 2) MAKE kids attend school.

The government cannot provide FREE education. Things like education don't just grow on trees. It costs money. A lot of money actually. Your "free" public schools in the US cost about twice as much per student per year as your average US private school. That's not free.

All the government can do is use force. They can force people to pay more for inferior education and can then force people to use it. That's about it.

Actually, in 1948, UNESCO asserted that "free compulsory elementary school education" was a basic human right. But somehow, I doubt you're a big fan of the U.N.

I'm not a fan of the UN, either. I'm also not a fan of butchering the meaning of words. The word "right" has a very definate meaning. It comes from English common law where actions a person might make were divided into "rights" and "wrongs," with rights being those actions you can legally make, and wrongs being those they cannot. The word has, since the beginning, been about choices and actions. Trying to say a thing or service is a "right" isn't even good grammer, much less in line with the actual legal meaning of the word.

Go pick up a copy of Blackstone and read it. You'll learn a lot.

Oh, and that the UN decided that this education which is a "right" is also "free" isn't surprising. Their reality is not our reality.

But basically, the notion of free, compulsory education is an historical outcome of both the 18th century Enlightenment and 19th century Industrial Age, and thus springs from 2 notions
1) literacy should be available to all people regardless of class or income
2) people with a minimum of education make better workers.


Actually, it's not. The literacy rate in America before the advent of compulsary, publically-funded education was higher then it is today.

What happened is that education had become pretty much universal. Everybody was paying tuition for their kids. So some political hacks decided to get elected on the platform of taking that financial burden away from the parents (by making someone else pay for it). It had nothing to do with solving any problems in education since the system was working fine. It was about scoring political points by pandering to the masses by giving them a handout.
 
2005-03-17 12:45:01 PM
This law is a joke. They're going after people whose kid missed 5 days in a year, too. It's about money,not about kids getting an education. Missing 5 days of school in Knoxville is like missing Wheel of Fortune. It makes no difference since the schools here suck ass anyway. They're fining people THOUSANDS of dollars in some cases and putting them in jail. Fark Tennessee. The good ole boys need their asses kicked.
 
2005-03-17 02:03:34 PM
"I don't want to hear what Randy Nichols has to say," she said. "He needs to call my house when (my grandson is) up at 3 in the morning throwing up everything he ate."

Donaldson said she was furious after receiving Nichols' letter.

"I sat down and I ate three Mr. Goodbars because I was so angry," she said. "You can't lump parents in one group."


Why isn't this lady on the ballot in this podunk town so that I can vote for her? Seriously, arresting parents for their kkids cutting is not universally effective. Most of these kids have shiat relationships with their parents, so you give them a way to get their parents arrested. Good job.

/most of the parents probably deserve it anyway.
 
2005-03-17 02:30:18 PM
How much do you want to bet that Ms. Donaldson voted for Kerry?

She sounds like the kind of oppressed, underpriveleged person that the Democrats try to motivate to vote for them.
 
2005-03-17 02:34:48 PM
I blame the teachers

sincerely,
no child left behind (w)


/cut the schools funding...all fixed. oh, wait
 
2005-03-17 02:41:05 PM
Your "free" public schools in the US cost about twice as much per student per year as your average US private school.

This is true. And you know why? It's because public schools MUST provide education to bright kids, stupid kids, kids with disciplinary problems, kids with severe mental or physical disabilities, all kids in fact.

Private schools are free to accept only the bright kids (who are cheap to educate) and give the boot to anyone who would cause them additional expense. You can't make a comparison between public and private schools unless their admissions and retention policies are the same.

Trying to say a thing or service is a "right" isn't even good grammer [sic]

Let me guess, you went to a public school?
 
2005-03-17 03:15:28 PM
God Farking Damn this makes me angrier every time I think about it. If someone lets their child skip cosntantly or excessively without a valid reason, yeah they need something done. Punishing people whose kids skip school thinking they won't get caught is a farking travesty. What is it that makes the local politicians here think they're special?
 
2005-03-17 03:50:08 PM
This is true. And you know why? It's because public schools MUST provide education to bright kids, stupid kids, kids with disciplinary problems, kids with severe mental or physical disabilities, all kids in fact.

Actually, it's not. Most of the excess expenditures in public schools go to administration. For instance, the Albuquerque Public Schools have such a large bureaucracy that they have to own and operate one of the largest buildings in the downtown area to just to house them all. We're talking thousands of people on the school payrolls that have nothing to do with teaching children. On average, the number of non-teachers on the payroll of public school systems is 10 times what it is of private schools when normalized for the number of students.
 
2005-03-17 04:03:18 PM
sarek_smile


How much do you want to bet that Ms. Donaldson voted for Kerry?

She sounds like the kind of oppressed, underpriveleged person that the Democrats try to motivate to vote for them.



of course, both parties try to motivate anyone they can to vote for them, but who needs obvious truths when you could have daily talking points to wiz by each other.
partisan politics are a joke.

liberals always...
neo-cons always...
meh. don't be distracted. keep your eye on the ball.
 
2005-03-17 05:50:30 PM
Donaldson said she was furious after receiving Nichols' letter.

"I sat down and I ate three Mr. Goodbars because I was so angry," she said. "You can't lump parents in one group."


I prefer to wolf down some Laffy Taffy.

/Already done 7 times
//Doesn't care
 
2005-03-17 08:35:15 PM
That article was comic gold
 
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