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(Pravda)   Russian federal forces kill their Bin Laden, fugitive Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov   (english.pravda.ru) divider line 240
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2005-03-08 11:44:43 AM  
What's that old adage about one mans' terrorist is another mans' hero?
 
2005-03-08 01:35:21 PM  
Hurray! I think...
 
2005-03-08 01:35:21 PM  
fivenodes: What's that old adage about one mans' terrorist is another mans' hero?

"freedom fighter"
 
2005-03-08 01:35:35 PM  
Great. Now maybe they can help with ours?
 
2005-03-08 01:36:09 PM  
I wish I had read "their" sooner than the third time I read that headline. Damn.
 
2005-03-08 01:36:16 PM  
Aslan is dead? Who will free Narnia now?
 
2005-03-08 01:36:29 PM  
Putin is the Bin Laden for the Chechens.
 
2005-03-08 01:36:32 PM  
Is this the guy that killed a bunch of people, or the guy that did those things that forced the other guy to kill a bunch of people?
 
2005-03-08 01:36:36 PM  
Awesome. Now the hostilities can end.
 
2005-03-08 01:37:00 PM  
Actually, I think Basayev (sp?) is more their bin Laden--he's the one who actually plans out the ruthless attacks (the Beslan school attack, and the Moscow theater attack).
 
2005-03-08 01:37:06 PM  
Could we get a Photoshop of how the baby killer here will be whiling away his days in Hell? Oops! I mean in Paradise with all of his fine ass virgins!


/Burn in Hell you bastard
 
2005-03-08 01:37:50 PM  
Uhg.. comparisons between Al Qaeda and the Chechnyans make me squeamish.
 
2005-03-08 01:38:03 PM  
chechens can always resurrect him at the stone table . . .
 
2005-03-08 01:38:05 PM  
Russian federal forces kill their Bin Laden, fugitive Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov

Probably because they were actually concentrating on getting him and didn't use their army to invade a country that was no threat to them in the first place, resulting in a slow bleeding quagmire.

That'd be my guess.
 
2005-03-08 01:38:52 PM  
At least we can rest assured that no one will rise up to take his place... I mean, once you kill the leader of an enemy, the enemy just goes away, right?

/feeling really sarcastic today.
 
2005-03-08 01:38:54 PM  
Hmmm, I'd be interested in a NON-pravda source...

Who was this guy exactly?
 
2005-03-08 01:39:12 PM  
wrap him in pigskin...after beslan the man deserves to rot in hell.
 
2005-03-08 01:39:18 PM  
Everyone must face his own El Guapo. Ours is a big smelly guy who wants to kill us.

or something like that.
 
2005-03-08 01:40:23 PM  
I mean, once you kill the leader of an enemy, the enemy just goes away, right?

The old saying isn't "Kill the head and the body will hang around and get you sooner or later", now is it???

/a little TOO sarcastic
 
2005-03-08 01:41:42 PM  
I never heard of him, but I've a feeling he just became a martyr somewhere.
 
2005-03-08 01:41:42 PM  
i don't remember bin laden ordering a school full of children held hostage

/just instigatin'
 
2005-03-08 01:41:43 PM  
You can capture terrorists? They can do that nowadays?

/newfangled technology.
 
2005-03-08 01:41:44 PM  
southern dandy=retard
 
B82
2005-03-08 01:41:53 PM  
OMG WHY CAN'T BUSH GET BIN LADEN??!!!!11111

/repeat ad infinitum
 
2005-03-08 01:42:06 PM  
KyngNothing
Hmmm, I'd be interested in a NON-pravda source...

BBC News (pops)
 
2005-03-08 01:44:36 PM  
rodeofrog: Everyone must face his own El Guapo.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of that when I read the headline.
 
2005-03-08 01:44:42 PM  
Uh, slight threadjack, but still keeping with the potential "terrorist vs freedom fighter" flamewar brewing...

I only discovered fark.com months after 9/11 occured. Were these types of political flame wars always heated? Or was that just a by-product of 9/11 that polarized people?

~DJ

/thanks in advance
 
2005-03-08 01:44:51 PM  
I blame Bush?
 
2005-03-08 01:44:56 PM  
B82

Ok!

OMG WHY CAN'T BUSH GET BIN LADEN??!!!!11111

:-)
 
2005-03-08 01:46:28 PM  
"Probably because they were actually concentrating on getting him and didn't use their army to invade a country that was no threat to them in the first place, resulting in a slow bleeding quagmire.

That'd be my guess."


I guess you were unaware that Russia invaded Chechnya and have a large troop commitment there. If Bin Laden were nice enough to hide out in Utah, I'm sure we catch him pretty quickly.
 
2005-03-08 01:46:29 PM  
From Yahweh's link..

"The spokesman said Chechnya's war of independence would not be affected by the death of Mr Maskhadov - the most moderate of Chechen rebel commanders.

Mr Maskhadov was elected Chechen president in January 1997 but was ousted two years later."

Sounds more like he was their Jefferson Davis.
 
2005-03-08 01:46:35 PM  
The astonishing amount of ignorance in here is both unimportant and boring.
 
2005-03-08 01:47:30 PM  
What's the liberal view on this? is it "See how much better the Russians are than the U.S." or is it "It's wrong to kill a freedom fighter."?
 
2005-03-08 01:49:01 PM  
No idea who this Aslan joker was, but if he had a whole country's military after him, he must have done SOMETHING pretty nasty.
 
2005-03-08 01:49:34 PM  
How come they don't string up people Mussolini-style anymore?
 
2005-03-08 01:49:34 PM  
If Bin Laden were nice enough to hide out in Utah, I'm sure we catch him pretty quickly.

Poor state choice, bro. His twin brother kidnapped a pretty white girl and hung out in Utah undetected for quite some time.
 
2005-03-08 01:49:53 PM  
hatechall

But you had to throw in your two bits anyway, didn't ya?
 
2005-03-08 01:50:07 PM  
Johnny Golgotha,

Good thinking Sherlock. ;)
 
B82
2005-03-08 01:50:07 PM  
Isn't it amazing how we never hear about any Chechen civilians killed whenever the Russkies conduct some military exercise? I guess they are just that damn good. I'm sure the Left would be just as outraged over their deaths as Iraqi civilians.

/sarcasm
 
2005-03-08 01:50:14 PM  
No one has mentioned 'oil' yet.

What a bunch of noobies.
 
2005-03-08 01:50:17 PM  
wow. when did we become so gullible as to buy putin's line about the chechen conflict being part of the 'war on terror'?
 
2005-03-08 01:50:36 PM  
Bin Who?

B82: OMG WHY CAN'T BUSH GET BIN LADEN??!!!!11111

Oh, that guy. It's not that Bush can't get him, he's just not interested in ol'd Bin Whatshisname anymore. He served his purpose.

/Emmanuel Bin Goldstein
 
2005-03-08 01:50:37 PM  
The spokesman said Chechnya's war of independence would not be affected by the death of Mr Maskhadov - the most moderate of Chechen rebel commanders.

It would seem to be a bad idea to take out the moderates...

Chechnya's Moscow-appointed Deputy Prime Minister Ramzan Kadyrov told Interfax news agency the intention had been to take Mr Maskhadov alive but that he had been was killed by careless weapons-handling by his bodyguards.

Yeah... it was an... accident... right....


DinoVomit:

What's the liberal view on this? is it "See how much better the Russians are than the U.S." or is it "It's wrong to kill a freedom fighter."?

Personally it's more along the lines of "wow, that sure is a clusterfark over there... i really feel badly for the chechens..." (yes, they've done some bad terrorist attacks, but when 1/4 of your population has been killed in the last decade, I can see being a bit PO'd)
 
2005-03-08 01:51:21 PM  
butfarker = well...butfarker :-D
 
2005-03-08 01:51:22 PM  
I guess it depends which liberal you ask, DinoVomit. Instead of baiting, why not ask people their individual opinion of it, then grow old wondering how people could be so arrogant and yet so uninformed at the same time. It's what i do.
 
2005-03-08 01:51:22 PM  
Interesting tidbit from Interfax's website:

Maskhadov's reported death accidental - Chechen minister

GROZNY. March 8 (Interfax) - Russian forces planned to take separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov alive in a security operation on Tuesday, but he "was killed as a result of negligently handling the weapons of a bodyguard who was standing next to him," First Deputy Prime Minister Ramzan Kadyrov said.

"We were given the task of arresting Maskhadov. No one was going to eliminate him physically," Kadyrov told Interfax.
 
2005-03-08 01:51:43 PM  
Big dealsky. This Russian-Chechen duel has been going on for aeons.

Killing anyone does not resolve the problem.
 
2005-03-08 01:53:07 PM  
Asa Phelps

Damn straight.
 
2005-03-08 01:53:58 PM  
Yay Russians!

The Chechens might be respectable as a fighting force and are indeed freedom fighters, but they are no friends of ours.
 
2005-03-08 01:54:03 PM  


Pravda = teh weird
 
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