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(AP)   "You get $5, $6, $7 for a beaver fur and you spend that trapping it." Fur traders surprised to find themselves in the 21st century   (ap.tbo.com) divider line 101
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2005-02-24 03:09:54 PM
"The dirtiest thing ever said on TV was on Leave It To Beaver when June said to Ward, "You were mighty rough on the beaver last night, Ward."

-cannot recall comedian, no attribution
--try the liver...


That was used during the Fraternity Talent Show segment of the movie Revenge Of The Nerds.

They prolly got it from somewhere else themselves.
 
2005-02-24 03:12:06 PM
Any market for groundhogs?

I trap those bastids all the time in my backyard, 'cause they've been eating my shed. Arrogant rodents, too.

It's a humane trap, but I shoot them afterward.
 
2005-02-24 03:14:01 PM
Beaver populations do have to be controlled, as mentioned earlier, they can cause a lot of tree and root damage and cause erosion.
 
2005-02-24 03:16:12 PM
"What's a beaver fur?"

"Son, you've got some growing up to do".

/got nothin'
 
vjp
2005-02-24 03:19:26 PM
The Humane Society of the United States on its Web site says that leg traps maim the animals.

Yup, and killing and skinning 'em maims 'em even more.
 
2005-02-24 03:21:17 PM
ShapeShift3r:
Yea, never mind the KILLING and SKINNING part that happens later.

/not an animal rights activist. just finding that quote a little odd.


I believe they meant the 'crushed leg bleeding and animal painfully dying over the course of day(s)' part of maim.
 
2005-02-24 03:24:35 PM
Rev. Skarekroe

That looks like my dad in the '70s!
 
2005-02-24 03:29:48 PM
LoveInAction

I live in the burb's and I got an even dozen of them last year!!!!

I don't think some people realize how much damage one of them things can do.
 
2005-02-24 03:38:00 PM
Log Drivers unavilable for comment. Too busy birling down, a-down white water.



(will likely mean nothing to non-Canadians)
\hoping doesn't get pwned on image link..
 
2005-02-24 03:43:40 PM
The Kids in the Hall website on Comedy Central has the fur traders skit as streamable.

It also has the Daves song.

http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thekidsinthehall/
 
2005-02-24 03:50:19 PM
"Hi Mom. Where's Dad?"
"Well if I know your father he's out chasing Beaver"
 
2005-02-24 03:54:17 PM
As long as there are thirsty Navajos, trappers can find cheap pelts.
 
2005-02-24 03:57:03 PM
Yes, leg trapping animals is pretty bad, but I just saw a video where (in China) men were skinning animals WHILE THEY WERE STILL ALIVE!! No shiat, they didn't even kill the animals first, just hung them up by thier feet and started skinning them. They pulled the fur and skin off the animal like a condom, and threw the skinned animal into the back of a truck to lie there and cry. I saw it. It was the most farked up mis-treatment of animals that I have ever seen. If you don't believe me, go to Ogrish.com, and look under the vids section. Be prepared to cry though, and don't say I didn't warn you.


/Not a member of Peta, but hate it when people abuse animals.
 
2005-02-24 03:58:02 PM
Save an animal,
Skin a PETA member!
 
2005-02-24 04:00:14 PM



"Let that one go Francois. He has spirit. One day he might be vice-president."
 
2005-02-24 04:01:33 PM
2005-02-24 02:44:59 PM DupeOfURL

"The dirtiest thing ever said on TV was on Leave It To Beaver when June said to Ward, "You were mighty rough on the beaver last night, Ward."

-cannot recall comedian, no attribution
--try the liver...


I dunno who it was either...
 
2005-02-24 04:02:50 PM
i was a boy scout in the Cache Valley council, named after the chaches of beaver pelt the trappers left, back in the day. my scout uniform had 3 separate patches depicting beavers in all their glory.

i still remember the troop cheer from scout camp:
"Beaver Patrol! Beaver Patrol! RA RA RA!!!"

the camp counselors always cheered our cheer for some reason....
 
2005-02-24 04:03:16 PM
I used to do some trapping when I was in high school. I used live traps and set free whatever I didn't want to keep so get off my ass. Anyway, it was great, back in 1984-86 I was getting about $45-$55 per pelt (raccoon) and I was getting usually two a day. Not bad money for 2-3 hours work a day. The next year I went off to college and decided I'd grab some extra cash with my traps, made my first run to the buyer and the bottom had fallen out of the market, I was offered about $5 each for good pelts. That was the end of my trapping career.

/avoids bad pun/joke about being a monk.
 
2005-02-24 04:04:44 PM
Borninfire

My persona was destroyed when I watched an HBO documentary about animal cruelty 6 or so years ago. In China you get to pick your dog/cat while it's still alive at the restaurant, and then it's on your plate...
Yes, and they even kill and cook them the way everyone kills and cooks lobster.
I hate humanity.
 
2005-02-24 04:10:16 PM
Noexit:

back in 1984-86 I was getting about $45-$55 per pelt (raccoon) and I was getting usually two a day.

Damn, I'd quit my job tomorrow for that rate.
 
2005-02-24 04:12:39 PM
flamingsquirrel23:

Yup. I wear beaver fur every day. A quality cowboy hat is made from beaver fur. They shave the pelt into very fine fibers and then spin it into the fabric used to make a hat. The higher the percentage of fur in the hat = the better the quality = the higher the price. A 100% beaver hat is known as a '10x'. A good 10x hat can easily sell for $500.
 
2005-02-24 04:12:53 PM
My persona was destroyed when I watched an HBO documentary about animal cruelty 6 or so years ago. In China you get to pick your dog/cat while it's still alive at the restaurant, and then it's on your plate...

Similar, but not quite related, but PETA made a huge farkin' stink about the treatment of chickens in the asian street markets in the US a while back. They were horrified at the idea of animals being ALIVE up until the point they were made dead. (Typical...)

What most people seem to neglect is the fact that many cultures, especially overseas, do not have easy access to refrigeration and food preservation. We have refrigerators. They don't.

An animal that is still alive is not decaying. It's just that simple. Once it's dead, without proper storage, it's going to rot. Keeping the animals alive in this case is nothing more than preservation of your foodstuffs.



mitsukomori does anyone know if the skin from slaughtered beefy cows is used for leather?

For the most part, yes. Some animals produce better leathers than others, but even if it's just turned into the most low-grade scraps, everything pretty much gets used up for something.

The sale of the leather is actually a decent percentage of the money made from selling the cows in the first place. You loose the leather, and the price of beef would go way up.

There is very little waste. Bones and scraps get ground up used as fillers in animal feeds. Anything that is left gets made into hotdogs.

/Okay, so maybe the thing about the hotdogs isn't quite true.
//Or maybe it is...
 
2005-02-24 04:13:56 PM
Borninfire I saw some of this going on (on TV). They were skinning dogs alive to put little furry collars on the hoods of coats--that would be sold in the U.S. It was really farking disgusting.

Most of those rodents that are used for fur now need to be controlled because, guess what? We killed off all of the predators that eat them a long time ago.

Humanity, to the rescue again.
 
2005-02-24 04:14:13 PM
God is a Taco,
I know what you mean. Sometimes, I wish that I could take back some of the shiat that I have seen in my life. People's inhumanity to each other, the way people treat animals who trust them. Perhaps it is easier to walk around in your own little bubble, oblivious of the terrible things that go on daily in this world. I sort of envy people who can disconnect themselves from the terrrible truths that exist.
 
2005-02-24 04:27:34 PM
I have a tributary of the Pine River running through my land, the beaver dam it up every year and cause about 25 acres to flood & the standing water causes a huge mosquito problem.

We used to dynamite the damn out twice a year, but I finally cleared a road back there last year and we now use a backhoe to dig the dam out.

Trappers here charge $50-$75 to remove a beaver, and they're very hard to catch in the open to shoot because they are nocturnal. I did manage to shoot one last year, I gave the carcass to a trapper just to get rid of it.

I just thought I'd share my beaver experience with you all. As inhumane as some folks may think it is to kill them, they cause thousands of dollars in damage locally every year, and it's very expensive deal with them. I know some people advocate live-traps, but they really don't work on the beaver around here.

My $.02
 
2005-02-24 04:28:39 PM
Borninfire: I wish your words could be un-read. I know that trying to pretend these things don't happen is childish, and it's hypocritical for me, a meat-eater, to feel badly, but I just can't harden my heart enough to stop myself from crying over the imagery your post put in my head (I certainly don't want to see the video).

Whatever the practical reasons for it, and I'm sure someone has an explanation that makes it sound not-so-bad, I will have a hard night tonight trying not to think about the pain and terror.

Shiat. I hate humans. I won't be the same after this. I've been alive for 35 years, and finally something has affected me profoundly enough that I couldn't clamp down fast enough on the emotion it generates.

shiat.
 
2005-02-24 04:38:02 PM
BadAndy23, mekkab, Cooley55...

EVERY time I think "oh man I have to post X...that's obscure as hell...", I read the comments and someone beats me to it. God I love fark...and The Kids In The Hall.
 
2005-02-24 04:42:05 PM
It's sad to see another American tradition die, though. Always change.

While I agree with this statement, I would have to say that if anything, fur trapping is much more a Canadian tradition than an American one. I'm not denying that there are a good many American trappers, but jeez, our nation was practically founded on the stuff (fur).

Yokes, excellent Log Driver's Waltz ref (birling! of course!). I'm still pissed they replaced those vignettes with those terrible Heritage Minutes.

Up in Northern Saskatchewan, the trappers are having an increasingly difficult time dealing with asshat snowmobilers. Jackasses refuse to stay on marked trails. I think the ratio of courteous snowmobilers to ignorant tool snowmobilers up here is something like 1:100. Don't even get me started. God, I hate those redneck idiots.
 
2005-02-24 04:46:37 PM
Tomorrow, I'm adopting a cat that had fallen in a fan belt and whose owners refused to pay the vet bill. She's scarry but cute.

Last week I adopted a cat who had been traumatized by dogs and small children her whole life. She finally came out from under the couch yesterday.

Sadly I'm now full up on cats. But they make me feel like I'm not entirely a rotten person.
 
2005-02-24 04:55:14 PM
theycallmeCOWBOY: "A 100% beaver hat is known as a '10x'"

Thanks for the info..had NO idea..

/will start calling my gf "beaver hat" from now on.. haha!
 
2005-02-24 04:56:46 PM
Most fox and coyote trapped now are sold live, with the best fur found in the colder north, experts say.

This is new. Anyone out there encountered the live fox and coyote market yet?
 
2005-02-24 04:58:59 PM
if I buy a product, and an animal hasn't suffered in some way for the product, I'm a little disappointed.

/humans are animals too.
 
2005-02-24 05:17:47 PM
Beaver skulls are pretty cool:

... trapper should sell them, too -- seem to be worth at least as much as the pelts.
 
2005-02-24 05:20:28 PM
Beavers caused a lot of flooding problems for a ranch I used ot work on. Even though it was illegal, the owners had a $50 bounty on any beaver you shot.
 
2005-02-24 05:30:51 PM
Mr. Clarence Butterworth:

Most beaver pelt trappers don't use leg traps because they mangle the pelt, dipshiats.

Yes, legtraps ARE often used. Alot of beaver and muskrat traps are set underwater, drowning the animal before they can twist their own leg off. Caught plenty on the Platte River myself this way.
 
2005-02-24 06:09:34 PM
you got to simplify. When you living in a shack in the middle of the woods with nothing but a fire to keep you warm, beaver meat to eat, and occasiaonly wild vegatables to eat for bulkage. $7 can do fine

but when your dirving around in a SUV, eating McDonalds and licving in a metropolitan apartment it is differant
 
2005-02-24 06:12:26 PM
Jerkstore,

I know what you mean. When I saw this vid, I thought that I had seen the most base of human emotions, and vicious acts. But I have to admit, this one takes the cake. To see that poor animal lying in the back of that truck on top of about 40 other skinned animals was heart breaking. All of its fur and skin had been pulled off while it was alive, and it just was looking around at the people who did this to it, and you could see tears running down its cheeks.

/Going to get a drink of vodka. Man I think some people suck, and need to be shot.
 
2005-02-24 06:42:50 PM
Problem with beaver fur is that if you don't keep it shaved it itches as it grows back in.

/But it's a fun itch to scratch.
 
2005-02-24 07:21:24 PM
Borninfire

I know how naive and hypocritical some might say this sounds (yes, I eat meat and wear leather), but I'm so confused over how anyone could ever, EVER do the things you described from that video.
Jerkstore pretty much summed up exactly how I feel.

/just heartbroken :(
 
2005-02-24 07:29:46 PM
My beaver pelt story:

I was assisting a well-known model, getting her ready for a photoshoot. Her costume was a latex body suit. I was handed a one gallon can of liquid latex, a paintbrush, and a bag of disposable razors.

End of my beaver pelt story.
 
2005-02-24 10:34:07 PM
LordVger: It's sad to see another American tradition die, though. Always change.

Ugh. Not so much.
 
2005-02-24 10:43:22 PM
Incidentally, I don't find it hypocritical to eat meat yet be affected by unnecessary suffering.
 
2005-02-25 12:17:56 AM
blahpers

You're right. I can't stop thinking about that video. I can't get it out of my head that these poor creatures are alive, conscious, and feeling every horrible moment. The scene keeps playing out in my mind over and over again, and I keep on crying. I don't get it. I don't understand how anyone could actually do this to another living creature.

/despair
 
2005-02-25 12:59:14 AM
The thing that gets me sad isn't what they are doing in China.
Anyway that's none of our business and we can''t change it or anything.

The thing that pisses me off is we wiped out the buffalo, who used to roam the plains in herds in the thousands (millions? tons of them), now there's a couple diseased ones left protected in some park.

We wiped out the wolves, bears and Mountain lions I guess for kicks. The beavers were so plentiful in the 1800s descriptions have them in every stream and river in numbers.
Now there's probably a percent of one percent of the beavers the NA continent once had.

That pisses me off. Why did we have to do that?
One more thing that pisses me off is why do they have obviously gorgeous babes like danger kittyfox in the personals? Yeah I'm sure she just can't find a boyfriend poor thing.
 
2005-02-25 01:08:50 AM
This is the most horribly depressing submission I've ever made.

I'm so sorry about those poor skinned animals.
 
2005-02-25 01:32:58 AM
Just Ignorant

Me too. Regardless of whatever else I try to think about tonight, thoughts of those animals and their suffering and torture keep coming back to me. I can't get over it.
 
2005-02-25 08:55:07 AM
I can appreciate that you guys feel bad just about HEARING the story on the vid. But shiat, I saw it. If you feel the need to see it, (which I don't recommend) you can view it at ogrish.com, in the vids section.

/dont say I didn't warn you, it's the most horrible thing I have ever had the misfortune to view.
 
2005-02-25 11:31:19 AM
Borninfire

I don't ever want to see that video. Just knowing that something so horrific is happening is enough. How on earth did you cope with it, after you saw it? I know I must sound kinda melodramatic, but I just can't get over this.
 
2005-02-25 01:15:26 PM
When I was young, I thought it would be great to be a Mountain Man and live in the great wilds or even to build a cabin and live in the swamps and forests of Florida.

Then I discovered just how savage and cruel the basic animal traps were. The steel jawed traps break bone and mutilate the legs of animals, keeping them alive and in pain until the trapper comes by, usually in a day or so.

Beaver traps basically drown the poor sucker and I consider that a hideous way to go.

The way I look at it, if you're going to hunt, then do like most good hunters and kill the animal quickly and cleanly.

BTW, I later discovered the city, bars, booze and hot chicks and changed my mind about living in the wilds.
 
2005-02-25 01:33:34 PM
I'm calling bullshiat on the post above. I used to trap when I was a teenager, and I have stuck my fingers in leg-hold traps with only slight bruising. No broken bones. In fact, the instuctor for our trapping class did it first thing (you needed a trapper license, which meant you needed to take a course, much like a hunting license).

Anyone who thinks that steel-jawed leg hold traps break bone has never been near one, much less used one.

Conibear traps are different. They can break bone, in fact that is what they are designed to do. But they are humane because the animal dies quickly (through broken/severed spine).

I still have some traps at my fathers house, but they are probably rusted shut by now. I never really made much doing it, but it was a good excuse to get up early in the morning and take a walk along the river.
 
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