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(subigo)   Colorado school "The Fighting Whities" try to make a statement about "The Man"... instead they end up joining him.   ( divider line
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5878 clicks; posted to Main » on 16 Mar 2002 at 1:46 PM (15 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2002-03-16 12:51:47 PM  
Good story, I propose a new headline though:

Man tries to ripoff someone else's idea and make money. Fails to understand why he is a moron.
2002-03-16 01:14:59 PM  
I agree Markus. I posted this on the other thread with the same link.

"Well, I knew it was only a matter of time before I received something of the sort... so, I wasn't surprised."

Then what is the problem? I don't see where support is deserved if you took copyrighted material in an attempt to profit. I hate the current trend of copyrighting everything under the sun and think some changes are in order, but come on, this seems like blatant theft.
2002-03-16 01:40:33 PM  
Needless to say, I am searching through a batch of copyright and internet attorneys that want to take on the case.

I'm sure he's beating them off with a stick too. "David Boies made a strong presentation... but I'm still mulling other firms."
2002-03-16 01:51:02 PM  
shiat man, this is just like Napster but, uh, with racism. So we'll call it Whitester.
2002-03-16 01:51:24 PM  
Don't mess with the Fighting Whities!
2002-03-16 01:53:04 PM  
come up with your own damn idea. Don't whine when you get shut down tryin to rip off someone else sheesh.
2002-03-16 01:54:22 PM  
It's not ripping people off if I said I was giving 'said people' the money, a free website, AND free designs... try reading the entire letter. ;)
2002-03-16 01:56:44 PM  
the fighting whities could have done so well, but unfortunately their merchandise sucks. they got nation-wide publicity, and they come up with a lame-ass shirt. all i really wanted was a cool looking angry white guy holding a beer or something, something like UNLV's guy, and they give us a lame-ass 50's-era sketch. lame.
2002-03-16 01:58:21 PM  
So what is their address if they are not using the 2 you legally own? Change both the .Net and .Org to explain you are NOT affiliated. Until they get an action of court to remove the domains, you are still the registered owner.

Regardless of why you wanted to maintain .Org and give them .Net, what the cafe is doing is clearly hijacking YOUR legally onwed IP at this point.
2002-03-16 01:58:52 PM  
Do they have some peyote lying around because if they do I'll go beat'em up for it.
2002-03-16 01:59:17 PM  
I don't get it. Does this mean I'm stupid?
2002-03-16 02:02:51 PM  
I say that is the only ones who are really wrong here. If was going to give the school a free domain, plus all the orders that were already processed, then it looks like jumped on this not to help the school... but to help cafepress.
2002-03-16 02:08:09 PM  
Looks to me like he was only planning on giving them the proceeds and domain IF they caught him. That's still taking credit for someone else's idea.

Are they the "Fighin' Whities" or "Fightin' Whites"?
2002-03-16 02:08:17 PM  
Eurytion: Who cares what you're "giving" away. Why couldn't you let the school deal with it? Put your name in and tell them you would design and host a site for free BEFORE you buy said site. Sheesh.
2002-03-16 02:08:18 PM  
The law is on my side here. I know that some of you can't see it as such... but, removing my merchandise and advertising for somebody elses merchandise is the equivalent to K-Mart putting up signs at Walmart that say: "Sorry, we are now closed... please redirect yourself to the nearest K-Mart"
2002-03-16 02:08:34 PM  
Support?!? Eurytion should be banned from Fark for life.

Eurytion saw the fightin whities team and tried to make a fast buck off their notoriety. He's no better than someone selling bootleg concert shirts outside the venue(probably his day job).

And in addition, the scholarship fund he's taking money from is quite a low-income school. He seriously needs to get some morality in his life.

He doesn't own the trademark to fightinwhities and cannot keep The reason? Copyright law.

The law states that in order to keep a trademark, the owner has to defend it's misuse on penalty of loosing the trademark to the public domain.

What does he want the for anyway? So he can dilute their trademark with his own brand of fightinwhites merchandise and pron links? Please!
2002-03-16 02:09:00 PM  
"Man tries to ripoff someone else's idea and make money. Fails to understand why he is a moron."

Dittos to that.

2002-03-16 02:13:31 PM  
Eurytion has actually done something to us... he has made us actually support copyright laws for once... we have to give him that...
2002-03-16 02:19:31 PM  
Its not like the fighting whities was that phenomenal a concept to begin with. Who hasn't thought this idea up before? Sure, this one particular school made national news, but its not like their basic idea was that original or anything. If some team out there was calling themselves the "Nads" and their cheer went "Go Nads, Go Nads," should I get pissed since this was the name of my team many years ago? Would I get pissed that someone had "stolen my idea" and was now selling t-shirts on the net? No, because something as obvious and unoriginal as "Fighting whities" deserves no such protection.
2002-03-16 02:20:59 PM  
Hah. What a loser, he admits right in there he just registered the domain names when he found out about the team... basicaly exactly the same thing that Cafeexpress did, but they beat him to the punch

Dumbass needs to think up his own ideas.
2002-03-16 02:24:55 PM  
Eurytion explicitly admits to getting the idea from them.
"I first read the Fightin Whities story on and was intrigued from the very first minute. It was a great story... a group of school kids beating up on 'Tha man'. I loved it. And, I knew 'Fightin Whities' was going to be the next new catch phrase... much like 'Fight the power', 'Free Kevin Mitnick', etc... so, I decided to jump on the ball and register the domains."
Also, please point us to prior use of "Fighting Whities" as a team name. I'm not aware of any.

"Notre Dame" is standard French, and is the name of many a church. "Fighting Irish" was a common put down around the turn of the last century. You go ahead and start selling shiat with "Notre Dame Fighting Irish" on it and see home many hours it takes for you to be shut down.
2002-03-16 02:27:36 PM  

It's lame that there is any copyright law. Any idea should just flow out there into the marketplace willy-nilly to be exploited and manipulated by whoever.
2002-03-16 02:30:49 PM  
I still say it is legal. Fightin' Whities is not trademarked... look it up.
2002-03-16 02:33:56 PM  
Are they going to take credit for the somewhat obvious rendition of that clip art they've used for their "copyrighted" logo?

Of course, I'm sure I just proved I know zero about copyright law...maybe they did draw it and mail it to themselves and have never opened it.

I was a huge fan and wanted to buy stuff until:

a) CafePress Store: low quality rip-offs
b) Not actual Jerseys are for sale
c) Prices are through the roof
d) Proceeds go to various organizations? Or is that "a portion..."

Whichever. The took the fun out of it at CafePress, IMO.
2002-03-16 02:35:58 PM  
What a dickhead! I hope this "entrepreneur" loses his dumb ass. And fie on the clown who submitted this douche bag's immature whinings! The dildo rolled the dice and crapped out. Ain't my problem!
2002-03-16 02:37:46 PM  
Eurytion, I don't know what you intended to do, but what you actually did was obviously a copyright/trademark violation. They have the team, they came up with the name, they did the promotional work; you piggybacked on this to sell coffee mugs and T-shirts, and then later offerred to donate profits when you were obviously screwed.

By the way, you might want to register a new name on this forum; no one here will take you seriously anymore, since you double-posted your 'cause' in a fairly blatant attempt to misuse Fark to gain a groundswell of support. For your new name I suggest 'Wanker'; it fits.
2002-03-16 02:39:59 PM  
Actually, I posted one of those :)
2002-03-16 02:43:58 PM  
Support this bastard for ripping off a school and infringing on other people's intellectual property! Errrr.... no.
2002-03-16 02:49:08 PM  
Roughy: the mail yourself thing dosn't do any good. To register a copyright you need mail a copy of your stuff to the Library of congress. I don't know if there's a fee or not. *but* if you don't register it, you still have a copyright. Untill you explicety give it up, you have an automatic copyright on anything you create, but unless you register the copyright, you can't collect money from people who used it.

Getting a trademark costs $700 or so. These guys don't have a real trademark, so they don't have a real case, but they could get one easily and Eurytion is still a jackass. He's legal now, but fighting this would only force them to register the tm...
2002-03-16 02:53:34 PM  
Eurytion, I think your case would be better supported if you at least showed us the print of what you were trying to sell. I was under the assumption that you used the teams mascot as your cafepress print up. Your post above seems to suggest otherwise.

On another note, I do think that cafepress was in the wrong by blindsiding the address. They should have posted a notice about the current situation.
2002-03-16 02:55:03 PM  
glad to see the fightin whities are using the rules of "the man" who destroyed their culture protect themselves for a change.
2002-03-16 02:56:24 PM  
Subigo: good for you. In my opinion, it's still a misuse of this forum.
2002-03-16 03:01:57 PM  
Gasmasher: The logo I used on my products was my sites logo... the one with the neck tie on the "F". I created that logo. I also had a picture of pilgrims coming off a ship... lol. But, yeah... all my logos were original. Their logo looks completely different... and they also use a slogan "Everythang's gonna be all white". I had no slogan on my products.
2002-03-16 03:05:18 PM  
Eurytion if that's really the case, then you definatly got ripped off by cafepress.
2002-03-16 03:10:07 PM  
Eurytion: You lost out here because you don't hold any of the cards. You don't control the copyright. You don't control the distribution channel. What did you expect to happen when the rightful owner of the copyright pressures the distribution channel??

I did read your letter through. Maybe you should read the membership agreement with all the way through. Especially the part where it says has retained the right to terminate any customer Web site and account if we believe that it is infringing on another party's intellectual property right.

Now I know your main beef seems to be not with the fact that they terminated your agreement, but with the fact that the URL which used to point to your merchandise now points to the official merchandise. I can't see anywhere in the membership agreement where said they agreed not to do this so guess what? It's their website so they can point the URL wherever the hell they want to after they rightfully terminated their agreement with you.

Don't let this or other comments here get you down though. Keep up the entrepreneurial spirit. Its still better than all the other lazy farks who are too busy whining "Waaaaaa i'm broke all time time waaaaaaa" to actually try to do something about it.
2002-03-16 03:17:09 PM  
"Don't let this or other comments here get you down though. Keep up the entrepreneurial spirit..."

I will second that.
2002-03-16 03:30:39 PM  
Speaking of censorship.
2002-03-16 03:32:47 PM  
"Fighting Whites" is the name of the team, "Fightin'/Fighting Whities" is the slogan/catchphrase Eurytion was trying to "horn in on".
CafeExpress obviously recieved permission and use of the trademarked catchphrase where Eurytion did not before registering the domain names. Thats assuming the slogan is/was indeed trademarked.

What happens if I register the domain name which provides abundant knowledge on protection and safety while travelling though the southeast. Unbeknownst to me, a southern school has adopted a new sports team by the name of "Raging Red Necked People" and trademarked the term "Ragin'RedNecks"
prior to my domain-name acquisition. What about such domains as "" or "".
I wouldn't be entitled to such domain names anymore even if the slogan wasn't obligatory in meaning? I'm still skeptical that the slogan "Fightin' Whities" was trademarked as part of the Fighting Whites if Eurytion beat em to the punch. Who knows for sure?
2002-03-16 03:38:37 PM  
2002-03-16 03:46:03 PM  
"A group of school kids beating up on the man..."

2002-03-16 03:55:49 PM  
03-16-02 03:30:39 PM ShamelessPlug
Speaking of censorship

Deleting posts that include personal information as well as personal insults is not censorship. Read the Farq. Posting such things can get you shown the door pretty quick too.
2002-03-16 03:58:02 PM  
How was I insulting?
I never cursed or defamed anyone.
2002-03-16 04:01:07 PM  
ShamelessPlug, and which of your posts exactly were deleted in this thread? None. Let it go.
2002-03-16 04:03:38 PM  
You givum pretty beads, thunderstick and fire water and they givum "release of claim". Problem solved.
2002-03-16 04:07:55 PM  
I hope it all gets resolved well. I want this to get as much publicity as possible, simply so people will see that no one - least of all whites - cares. Then maybe people will see that maybe, just maybe, there's no real reason to get so paranoid about sports team names after all.
2002-03-16 04:20:27 PM  
As a person from Colorado with some "Native" heritage, this whole thing cracks me up. It went from an attempted political (however sophomoric) statement by some students involved in a Native American Student club, to a debate (here) on the merits of an attempt at Capitalism/trademark infringments. We thread our way from a minority dis-enfranchised from the constiuentcy (if they ever were franchised) to lawyers and copywrite laws.

Question: who would have bought the t-shirts? White, middle-class, early 20s males. Would this have had any impact to the percieved (by "reds") racial discrimination? My experience says not. Would this non-impact have mattered? Probably not. Any "red" causes truly helped by the money? Doubtful. If you want to see true poverty in America, go to a reservation.

A couple of things come to mind:

1. Chris Rock telling black/asian/mexican people to shut-up about being discriminated against saying "How many people here EVEN seen 2 american indians together"

2. "First thing we do, is kill all the lawyers"

3. "just another way for the white-man, to keep the (fill in color here)-man down.

With due respect to Eurytion, what about the fact that this does nothing to help a portion of the population that needs help?
2002-03-16 04:48:24 PM  
Well, I ordered a shirt (despite the fact, Brunowolfe, that I don't fit your profile), and I feel ripped off by this jerk. He should be prosecuted for trademark infringement and deceptive business practices. I thought I was buying my shirt from the UNC team.

If you were gonna be all helpful-like, why didn't you CALL the Fightin Whites and offer your services?

Because you're lying about it...that would be the obvious conclusion!

Shut up now. And GO AWAY.
2002-03-16 05:15:23 PM  
Cadencex - What happens if I register the domain name which provides abundant knowledge on protection and safety while travelling though the southeast. Unbeknownst to me, a southern school has adopted a new sports team by the name of "Raging Red Necked People" and trademarked the term "Ragin'RedNecks"

Seems to me, the difference is glaring. Eurytion has already expressly admitted he saw the story on Fark, and made his strategic marketing moves based on the already-popularized name. He tried to snake his way in, and now he's whining about getting busted for it. Someone needs to call him a Waaahmbulance.
2002-03-16 05:15:35 PM  
2002-03-16 05:18:48 PM  
Yeah, I agree with what seems to be the overwhelming opinion. The funny thing is, that if I didn't misread it, that stupid jerk is a fellow farker so he'll be reading all this. Hee hee hee hee hee!
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