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(www.fightinwhities.net)   Farker Eurytion needs your support at www.fightinwhities.net   (fightinwhities.net) divider line 86
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2002-03-16 01:10:45 PM
"Well, I knew it was only a matter of time before I received something of the sort... so, I wasn't surprised."

Then what is the problem? I don't see where support is deserved if you took copyrighted material in an attempt to profit. I hate the current trend of copyrighting everything under the sun and think some changes are in order, but come on, this seems like blatant theft.
 
2002-03-16 01:50:46 PM
this guy is a rip-off farking squatter. he gets no support from me.
 
2002-03-16 01:56:22 PM
He was going to donate the money and site to the school... read the whole thing.
 
2002-03-16 01:58:41 PM
Damn straight. He rides in fast on the coat tails of the team who drummed up their own support, rips off their branding concept, and tries to capitalize and profit from it. Then he has the balls to say the Whities (hehe) are getting sales off of HIS advertisement efforts? What about their advertisement in concept alone, and all of the radio and television coverage they have gotten. He doesn't have my support, that's for sure. What a tard.
 
2002-03-16 01:59:54 PM
You have no rights in this so just shut up you farking moron. I bet you only decided to donate the money and site to the school AFTER you received that e-mail Cafe Express or whatever it is called. You have no right here, move along.
 
2002-03-16 02:03:25 PM
Who cares if you were goign to donate the profits to the school. You're still squatting. Why couldn't you let the school figure out how to sell their own merchandise?
 
2002-03-16 02:05:47 PM
Wow, a thief crying because he thinks he is getting ripped off? Boo hoo hoo!

Pussy
 
2002-03-16 02:06:40 PM
Support?!? Eurytion should be banned from Fark for life.

Eurytion saw the fightin whities team and tried to make a fast buck off their notoriety. He's no better than someone selling bootleg concert shirts outside the venue(probably his day job).

And in addition, the scholarship fund he's taking money from is quite a low-income school. He seriously needs to get some morality in his life.

He doesn't own the trademark to fightinwhities and cannot keep fighting.net. The reason? Copyright law.

The law states that in order to keep a trademark, the owner has to defend it's misuse on penalty of loosing the trademark to the public domain.

What does he want the fightinwhites.net for anyway? So he can dilute their trademark with his own brand of fightinwhites merchandise and pron links? Please!
 
2002-03-16 02:09:27 PM
Actually... I looked and it seems that Fightun' Whities is not trademarked at all... I may be wrong.
 
2002-03-16 02:09:40 PM
if this guy can sell fighting whities merchandise then the terrorists have already won.
 
2002-03-16 02:10:47 PM
Somebody comes up with a brilliant concept, this guy completely rips them off, and then says he was going to give them the money after he gets busted. What a jerk...

AF
http://www.brassknuckles.net
 
2002-03-16 02:13:09 PM
Go to hell, Eurytion.
And here I thought those Canadian assholes who had and tried to sell www.appleimac.com were bottom of the barrel.
You wanted to sell fightingwhities.org to the school that has trademark on it in exchange for the rights to fightingwhities.net, which they also have trademark on.

Frankly, I'd have to do some serious reading of Shakespeare before I could come up with a sufficient insult for your sorry ass.

And then the gaul to think you're in the right and can use your membership on Fark to rally people to your side...

You're a fu<king waste of oxygen.
 
2002-03-16 02:14:57 PM
Well you could have argued that the domains you registered were generic terms but after the nice letter you left on the web site admitting to the logical relationship of the names, you haven't got a chance... their lawyers probably already have it cached.
 
2002-03-16 02:15:54 PM
Bah, 'Fightin Whities' is a stupid name anyway.
 
2002-03-16 02:16:58 PM
subigo:
Think about what this guy was doing with his offer to "donate the money." He wanted them to give him the right to create fightingwhities.net and thus have a safe area to market other merchandise and the like (for his own profit). The really sick part is that he's trying to steal the profits that would otherwise go to CHARITIES that recieve the profits of the legitimate "finghting whities" merchandise
 
2002-03-16 02:17:21 PM
I was going to log in and make a big argument about this guy being a whining cybersquatter and yada-yada-yada, but it looks like EVERYBODY beat me to the punch. I was kind of expecting this dork would get some sympathy here!
 
2002-03-16 02:19:59 PM
 
2002-03-16 02:20:51 PM
From the "If you have a brain..." Comments

"03-16-02 10:47:03 AM Eurytion
Good job, poster... you excluded all the women farkers"

I don't think I can make my poor weak woman's brain figure out how to give you my money, so I can't. Sorry.

Don't fark with the Farkettes, we could kick your ass.
 
2002-03-16 02:23:52 PM
Hrm, two links to the same topic right next to eachother. Anyway, the fact that Eurytion is a farker dosn't make him any less of an idiot...

(Now I don't know for sure, but I'd say its a fair bet that Eurytion is a white guy... making this whole thing rather ironic)
 
2002-03-16 02:32:23 PM
Don't fark with the Farkettes, we could kick your ass.

Hell, even I learned that lesson.
 
2002-03-16 02:32:37 PM
I still say it is legal. Fightin' Whities is not trademarked... look it up.
 
2002-03-16 02:34:06 PM
"Good job, poster... you excluded all the women farkers"

That was obviously a joke... If you go read my other posts you will realize this.
 
2002-03-16 02:36:11 PM
Ooh, I want to see Eurytion's reply to everyone else!
 
2002-03-16 02:36:26 PM
Subigo, just because it's not a registered trademark doesn't mean they don't have first use rights associated with the merchandice.

Registering a trademark only means that you don't have to provide notice of violation before suing someones arse off.
 
2002-03-16 02:37:47 PM
The guy is scum.He is just thieving anothers great idea.
 
2002-03-16 02:39:01 PM
Eurytion: You tried to scam a few bucks, no matter what you say in retrospect. I hope they scalp you for this one, buddy.
 
2002-03-16 02:39:15 PM
there is a difference between copyright and trademark (which the writer of the letter from cafapress also does not seem to understand).

a trademark is a "mark" identifying a product or a service. a copyright is a "right" to copy a design, creative work, expression of an idea, etc.

a trademark does not have to be registered to claim it. you just start using it, establish a date of first use, and if you are so inclined you put a little 'tm' on it, but i don't even think that is required. i believe this is called a 'common law' trademark.

if somebody tries to rip it off and use it for their own benefit (like this guy) then you have an "actionable" trademark violation as long as you can establish first use, etc., which should be pretty easy for the fighting whities.

either way, this guy tried to benefit from the fighting whities publicity and notoriety, and is not the owner of their trademarks. copyrights have nothing to do with it (unless he was using their actual designs, images, etc., which is yet another "actionable" violation, i.e. violation of their copyrights, which they own as soon as they make the shiat up).

so cafepress is correct, the fighting whities are correct, and as nice as this guy was to offer his site and the profits and whatnot, he is just wrong.

if i wanted to go setup a notre dame fighting irish webstore, you can bet i'd hear from their lawyers.

ok, then.
 
2002-03-16 02:42:47 PM
There are no original ideas... I want to see one person here come up with one.
 
2002-03-16 02:43:56 PM
Heh you shoulda got up and walked away from the table, Eurytion...


This is not the 'good' fight. What you did was pretty smart, but when they called you on it, the game was over...and you shoulda walked away.
 
2002-03-16 02:45:53 PM
There's a difference between original ideas and actually putting something to market before everyone else Subigo.
 
2002-03-16 02:46:28 PM
subigo: so, we are past whether it is a "registered" trademark, down to whether it is an "original idea", and going beyond to just downright indignant that someone actually wants to establish and maintain and protect their intellectual property rights? dude, when you have something of value to protect you will understand. ok, then.
 
2002-03-16 02:55:04 PM
I'm sure he's learning a valuable lesson about posting something like this on Fark!
 
2002-03-16 02:55:12 PM
Like I said before, if you think what he did was wrong that is your opinion. The simple fact is, that what he did IS legal. The profits should go to him (or to the school, should he choose to donate), it should have been his choice...

You think Microsoft came up with the idea for windows? - I bet you are running a windows OS right now.

Case closed.
 
2002-03-16 02:58:09 PM
subigo: if xerox parc had enforced their copyrights with apple and later microsoft, then we'd be using xerox computers. they didn't and they were just stupid. what he did is NOT legal. that is why congress and the farking constitution set out all these rules to PROTECT INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. try it and see for yourself.
 
2002-03-16 03:00:04 PM
Skbubba: are you a lawyer?
 
2002-03-16 03:02:04 PM
no, i am a software company, and i have to deal with idiots trying to steal my my software and my trademarks all the time, so i have had way too much exposure to intellectual property law. if there is an ip lawyer here, i'm sure he or she can set us all straight.
 
2002-03-16 03:04:50 PM
... they are advertising for the teams
merchandise using the traffic I am sending them for MY merchandise and from MY websiteswhich were only created because I read about these guys and decided I wanted to ride their idea like a cheap biatch ho, opportunistic unoriginal rip off artist that I am.




Well now, I ain't-a no lawyer, suh.

But I know a legless asshole when I see one.

Thank you.
Thank you very much.
 
2002-03-16 03:05:07 PM
Thats all I want to know... I have not heard from an actual lawyer... from what I have seen though, it looks legal. He didnt steal anything.
 
2002-03-16 03:07:34 PM
so he has obviously shown that he is reading the responses on here, but yet he doesnt have the balls to respond to any of them...go to hell Eurytion.
 
2002-03-16 03:07:47 PM
subigo: please. just go here and do some homework and get back to us.

http://www.intelproplaw.com

or better yet just do a google search (be sure to include U.S. Code).

P.S. i am not a lawyer, but i'm pretty sure it is not legal for me to steal my neighbor's gas grill. of course, that's just my "opinion", i could be wrong.

ok, then.
 
2002-03-16 03:12:28 PM
He posted this (he didnt steal his neighbors gas grill):

03-16-02 03:01:57 PM Eurytion
Gasmasher: The logo I used on my products was my sites logo... the one with the neck tie on the "F". I created that logo. I also had a picture of pilgrims coming off a ship... lol. But, yeah... all my logos were original. Their logo looks completely different... and they also use a slogan "Everythang's gonna be all white". I had no slogan on my products.
 
2002-03-16 03:14:08 PM
like i said. ok, then.
 
2002-03-16 03:14:30 PM
I have been responding on the other thread.

I own the copyright on my logo. Period. I created it for my site. How many teams are out there are called the "reds" or the "hornets", etc... its logo that you copyright, not the words. What I have done is legal.

I had a few people email me asking if I was the basketball team... they got a response back saying I was completely un-affiliated with their team...
 
2002-03-16 03:16:59 PM
RandomRandom, you have gone beyond bad taste to do something really just sad and disgusting. Someone's personal privacy is not yours to distribute as you see fit. The fact that you posted someone's personal information without their consent on a site that gets thousands of people passing by each day, is almost as bad as what Eurytion did to deserve your comment in the first place.


I realize that the information isn't "secret" as you were able to pull it up. But there is a difference between information that is availble to the public, and posting that information (especially a phone number) on a forum like this one. Regardless of your personal feelings about someone's actions, at least have the common decency to keep their infomation to yourself.

I would request that a moderator please remove RandomRandom's earlier comment and restore Eurytion's privacy (at least in part). Regardless of his actions, he does not deserve this.
 
2002-03-16 03:17:11 PM
Subigo, the team came up with the name, they have every right to the trademark. If they chose to register it then they could easily get it. Eurytion just chose to take their idea and make money off it, he has no valid claim to it whatsoever other then registering it first.

It's legal for now but all the Fightn' Whities need to do is send a couple faxes and a $750 for it not to be. (if even then, see Skbubba's post about common law trademarks, which I don't know about, IANAL and all that)

There are a lot of cases of people abusing ICANN's UDARP with domain names that people owned before the companies existed, but this isn't one of 'em.
As for people coming up with original ideas? Most ideas are based on other ones. There are a lot of sites that do what Autopr0n.com does, but I did all the coding and design myself, if I just ripped off someone else's HTML and stuck my own ads in it whoever I ripped off would be totally within their rights to sue me.

There are lots of new ideas that crop up all over the place. "The Fighting Whities" themselves came up with their own new idea, didn't they? Yeh, there were precedents, the name itself is a parody, but it really was something that never really existed on it's own before.

There are ideas that are inspired by other ideas, and there are people who rip off others.

As for Xerox, well, that's a case of some idiot managers who didn't realize how cool the stuff their employees were making was.
 
2002-03-16 03:20:17 PM
Eurytion

Dude who are you trying to kid?
You are highjacking this for your own gain.Your not going to win this one just walk away and save some face.
THe word "Reds" and Hornets" are generic words, but "Fighting Whities" is specific to them.Nice try though.
 
2002-03-16 03:22:42 PM
Like Eurytion just said...

My high school football team was the "Broncos"

I guess my school better watch out before the Denver Broncos sue for the banners we sold at games that said "Broncos" - IN ORANGE NO LESS!
 
2002-03-16 03:22:50 PM
I meant he has no valid claim to the domain name other then registering it first. Not the trademark.
 
2002-03-16 03:24:38 PM
yeah...couldnt you think of a better generic name than the "reds" though...I dont know of very many teams named the reds...try the Wildcats, or tigers.
 
2002-03-16 03:24:51 PM
Autopr0n

I didn't use their logos... what you suggest in your comment is that I just went and stole their logo along with their slogan.

No, I did not. What I did was create a website that used a popular catch phrase of the moment. The logo is mine. Period.
 
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