wasnt sure of the symbol at first

Richard_Feynmans_Big_Toe

have you ever been to europe? we don't have an inferiority complex: there is no hatred for america, no mcdonalds being set ablaze, or gm cars being boycotted (but i still clearly recall from the us the shameful freedom fries episode).

we have our cultures, our history, and we're more than happy with that. we have a good standard of living, and, sure, we have our problems too. some of which are due to the us: we've seen how the us is willing to use nuclear weapons on population centers, how it is willing to ignore human rights in vietnam, and how it is willing to fabricate a reason for a war that it wants to have. we've had wars in europe that you guys have fortunately never known. we know who benefits from wars, and why they are started. and we as a people don't want any more of it.

even under bush there's no hatred towards america - just a gradually increasing distance between us.

Geez, now it looks like I have to lay awake every night making sure I know every possible form of slang from every nation on earth so as not to offend some uptight dork with a national inferiority complex.

Mr Reid, who heads the porters' department at Aberdeen Royal Infirmary, said he intends to carry on working.

WTF? He can work for 20 years at 37,000 pound/year and still not earn what he won. Why the FARK are people so stupid? Maybe he should get a life outside work or give the money to me, because I wouldn't work another minute.

I'm pretty sure they're talking about famed Commodore 64 developer Steve Punter, inventor of the Punter Protocol.

Just... wow.

You made my morning. :)

What the fark is going on?

has somebody translated yet?

I think they would rather be called Wankers Mordant.

I heard a story about some jackass on the Howard Stern sho who won $300,000 on an on-line gambling game. They casino kept stringing out the payment, saying things like "it will take a month to get you the money. In the mean-time we will credit your account at the casino so you know that you legally have the money." What happens? The jackass logs on and starts making bigger and bigger bets. Within a month, he's DOWN $20,000. You can be DAMN SURE the casino didn't let him stretch out the payment. In the end, the house always wins...

/MIT blackjack player points and smirks...

2005-02-18 10:12:53 AM ZipBeep

He won something like $1.4 Million. Say he pays off all his debts and what not and ends up with about $1 Million. If he invests all of it and get's a 5% ROI, that's only $50K per year. While that's a nice income for one person, supporting a whole family on that isn't really living high on the hog. Now, if he works for another 10 years and let's the investment build, he can retire in style!!

21-7-b:
we have our cultures, our history, and we're more than happy with that.

When you haven't a future, I guess you have to settle your hopes on something.


/JK! JK!! ;) Not trying to troll! just jokes!
//we've got culture, too.
///Honey? Where'd you put our culture? I can't find it!

2005-02-18 09:35:42 AM, Richard_Feynmans_Big_Toe

As a firm member of the '49%ers', I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis of this issue.

/there are those of us 'yanks' who are right with you
//wishes we could speak softly, though, whilst carrying said stick/gun

Tom-Stueber

So he has $400,000 in debts? I've been to Aberdeen. Even if he bought the nicest house there...

21-7-b:

Incredibly, incredibly noble sentiments. I say kudos to you sir.

It is wonderful that you can ignore 600 plus years of European genocide, conquest, human rights violations, war, etc, because George Bush invaded Iraq. Europeans were running gas chambers to exterminate millions of people, but who cares because Americans used nuclear weapons to avoid the need to invade the Japanese Home Islands and to end World War II.

Tell you what, why dont you guys cut us the check for the lend/lease and Marshall plan payments, and we'll call it a day?

Hell, I'll even throw in a history book or two.

If It's SkyNews, you must post a picture of the future Mrs. Lisa Burke-CCC1138

m053486 "Great" and "Laughed at" are not the same thing.

halfof33

you see that excuse just won't wash. it is precisely because europe has been led into wars by greed/revenge driven leaders that we can see bush for what he is. before you throw your history book at me, maybe you'd like to have a read of it yourself, because any priod before two hundred years ago (out of your 600+) the people quite simply didn't have any say in what happened. even the two world wars were simple - fight or risk death for not fighting, and the people had nothing like the field of vision that we have today. they didn't have access to media and historical literature, that we have - much of which includes the lessons learned from ww1 and ww2. there was no justifiable excuse for the us to use the bomb as id did, nam was a fcuk-up, and iraq was lie. why don't you address those points rather than try to deflect them with an incomparable argument

21-7-b: said

even under bush there's no hatred towards america - just a gradually increasing distance between us.

Just to amplify this comment for Richard_Feynmans_Big_Toe, about 10/15 years ago most things American were looked upon as being rather cool. Now, things are different. As a nation you seem sort of lost now you have won the battle with your former cold-war adversary.

To most Brits, and quite a few French, German, Spanish and others who have had empires we now see the swagger the USA has when it comes to dealing with other nations..... and it isn't good.

The swagger is very reminicent of that of the British Empire shortly before it fell, this blind self-belief that your nation is so farking superior to every one elses. This rampant rah-ra-rah'ism has been seen by us many times, and quite often bad things have followed.

We don't hate you, but we fear what you have become, and what you may become in the future.

If you want an example, look at North Korea. Except we see a lot of little Kim's in the general population of the USA, not just the leader.

This distance is partly political, since Regan the USA has been trying to extend Pax Americana, but unlike how the British did it, your atmepts mirror that of a teenager getting to 2nd base for the first time, clumsy and without subutlty.

Getting back to the old favorite of language. American English is similar to English but with one difference, it's dumbed down a lot. You have lost a lot of the epressiveness that English has here, your version of it is more bland. Look at the way you have changed the spelling of a lot of words, making them simpler. Super, great for non-native speakers to get a grip of, but you lose all the richness.

Sort of like another topic, food. We popularised curry around the world, you gave the world McDonalds.......

AnthraxRipple

Had I been partaking of a beverage, you would have owed my employer a new monitor.

/as it was I just let out a big nerdy snort

halfof33: 600 plus years of European genocide,


Your genocide of the native population happened when?

21-7: I'd be happy to address those points, but your pathetic whitewash of your own history is shameless.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki while regrettable avoided the expected deaths of at least 1 million Allied Servicemen and women, and tens of millions of deaths of Japanese civilians. Now its your turn: please explain Buchenwald, Dachau, Auschwitz, and Majdanek.

Viet Nam was indeed a cock up, but it was at least premised on assisting the South Vietnamese. Now it is your turn: please explain what the French were doing in Algeria.

The Iraq war toppled a dictator, a murderer and suppresser of the Kurds. Now you explain the Balkans genocide to me.

2005-02-18 10:52:59 AM Half Man Half Biscuit
halfof33: 600 plus years of European genocide,
"Your genocide of the native population happened when?"

I'm sorry, I was unaware that the boats carrying small pox and other diseases that decimated the native population in the Western hemisphere from 1500 to 1800 took off from the United States, rather than Lisbon, London, Italy, Holland, Spain, etc.

halfof33:

I was unaware that the boats carrying small pox and other diseases that decimated the native population in the Western hemisphere from 1500 to 1800 took off from the United States, rather than Lisbon, London, Italy, Holland, Spain, etc.

Be aware of the wholesale decimation of the native American tribes by the US government.

Boatd from Europe carried passengers, and as with any form of mass transit of that time, spread desease as a by product.

It was not the deliberate action of the governments, that would be rather silly wouldn't it..... Be the first to plant your flag in a nice bit of real-estate like Manhatten, then drop down dead with typhoid deliberatly carried.....

21-7-b
have you ever been to europe? we don't have an inferiority complex: there is no hatred for america, no mcdonalds being set ablaze, or gm cars being boycotted (but i still clearly recall from the us the shameful freedom fries episode).

Funny you mention the whole freedom fries thing.

Anyone else remember a few years back when the backlash against globalization in France brought about a series of protests and acts of vandalism against McDonalds. You know, French Fries, McDonalds ...

And, in all fairness, there are dicks on either side of the pond. Ours came up with "Freedom Fries", yours (the Europeans, since you seem to speak for them all) came up with "Rosbeefs go home".

http://www.garnertedarmstrong.ws/GTA_Wordfroms/gtanews96.htm
copy/paste - I suck at html

halfof33

address the point then! i'll address a couple of your dodges if you want. europe wasn't to blame for the holocaust, hitler was - that's fairly clear to anyone and everyone (i would hope). then to set straight another point of yours, in times hundreds of years past, rape, pillage, etc were the norm as spoils for war. but the simple fact is that human life wasn't valued then as it is today. infant mortailty was many times higher, medical treatment was non-existent or supremely barbaric, justice was indescrimate, and power was held be a select few. people were not financially indepenent from their lords, and the media and education were available sparingly at best.

if the crux of your continued dodge is to debate the culpability of the common european man 400 years ago to the culpability of the modern common american man now, as being comparable, or even that greater blame lies at the door of the european - you're just talking pie-in-the-sky unsubstaniable waffle

Mutated-Snoopy

it wasn't comparable to the freedom fries for many reasons, imo. but, whatever

21-7-b:

You brought up Hiroshima (1945), I simply point out what was going on in Europe in the same decade.

You brought up Viet Nam (1955-1970) I simply point out Europe's little adventure in Algeria, which was going on in roughly the same period.

You bring up Iraq, fail to notice that several European Nations were fully involved, and I simply ask about that little Balkan adventure that was going on not so long ago, agree?

These events are all roughly in the same time period, why is the US so much worse than Europe?

Oh great.

Every time someone wins a million bucks the conversation turns to mass murder.

halfof33:

I'm sorry, I was unaware that the boats carrying small pox and other diseases that decimated the native population in the Western hemisphere from 1500 to 1800 took off from the United States, rather than Lisbon, London, Italy, Holland, Spain, etc.


By that logic, though, the 600 years of genocide in Europe can be blamed on European Americans as well.

There's enough genocide to go around.

/Bush is the first American to start a war of aggression and it was also based on bullshiat. He has that going for him. Nice legacy, Bush. Worst.President.Ever.

THANK YOU for finally defining what the holy jicama a "punter" is. I've been asking around since I read it on BBC a while back, and all any of the friggin' cowboys I ask think it has something to do with helmets and shouldermapads.

Wait a minute? You guys are taxed for every TV you own??

/ Gets all his information about British culture from Fark

MusicMakeMyHeadPound:

Every time someone wins a million bucks the conversation turns to mass murder.


We gotta stop talking about George Bush's tax cuts for millionaires, that's all.

:D

halfof33

so you've decided the "last 600 years dodge" won't stand up? cool

no european country can be said to be have ever been fully involved in iraq. some provided minimal troops when it appeared that saddam had wmd - mostly to out-of-harm's way locations. since the bush administration lies have been exposed, they haven't hesitated in withdrawing them. the only country to buck the trend is britain.

british public support for the war in iraq has waned, but we have no political option or will to stop our involvement. we have quite simply been held to ransom by the american and british governments. (same for the italians). whereas the italian troops haven't really been involved, the british have, but appear to have conducted themselves, by and large, with far greater disitnction than the americans. i think this offsets some of the public concern for the war. i would hold the british people accountable to some degree, because i think that they and the media haven't held the government to account for this - but the simple fact is that many people consider that it is better to have blair trying to offer a voice of reason to bush, than not. i don't think bush gives a fcuk about what blair thinks, and so i think that they are fooling themselves.

the simple fact is that many feel that if britain pulls out, america will only beome more aggressive as she realizes she is completely isolated from world opinion

it distresses me how ignorant the murdoch educated population are of what goes on in america - there's no talk of gannon whatsoever. and the hutton enquiry and butler report have received precious little critical appraisal. i believe the reason for this is that we know that we already have the left-wingers in power, and if we elected the right-wing in the coming election things would only get worse.

i think things will change after the election this year. if there is a concerted effort to change them before we'll get the illegitmate love-child of thatcher in power, and there will be even more support for all american actions. it's been a rock and a hard place for the british since the extent of the wmd lies became apparent. many now see blair's role as primarily trying to reintroduce the un to peacekeeping, in place of the "liberating" americans. i don't think it will happen. we'll see

Snirtanion: Wait a minute? You guys are taxed for every TV you own??


I believe it's more like a mandatory cable bill. If you own a television, you get cable, you pay.

holy farking sh*t!

21-7-b:

The "last 600 years dodge."

If that is what you wish to call it.

I'd say I'm waiting for the answers to my questions (but, of course, I'm not).

Again, I will fully concede the horrible, horrible Nature of the US, and the infinite superiority of Europe for all time, a Europe that since 2000 has finally blossomed into a sort of Super Nirvana, any misdeeds of which can be laid solely at the feet of the USA. . . .

Just as soon as you guys send the check for the Marshall Funds we paid to rebuild Europe, which funds have allowed the blessed children of Europe to sneer at the evil that is the USA.

Or cash, cash is good.

halfof33:

Just as soon as you guys send the check for the Marshall Funds we paid to rebuild Europe, which funds have allowed the blessed children of Europe to sneer at the evil that is the USA.

Or cash, cash is good.

How much interest do you think they accrued in the last 50 years? Who'd have thought these Europeans were a bunch of deadbeats.

you're continuing to dodge rather than argue - i guess you see threatening to respond to a point is, for you, more effective than actually responding.

i assume therefore that you accept that contrary to your earlier assertion, no european country (let alone several) was fully involved in the iraqi war. it was plainly an absurd thing to say.

you also appear to tacitly accept (by your refusal to argue your case), that your effort to offer up 600 years of european history in comparison to the actions of the supposed democracy that mine and your foreathers fought for, was baseless. glib sarcasm doesn't actually count for anything other than a dodge if you refuse to answer the point

the algerian war, although not as dirty or costly as vietnam, included inexcusable behavior by (mainly the french) europeans - which factor is now recognised by the the political powers; while as we saw with kerry, even suggesting that soldiers carried out war crimes in vietnam is unacceptable to the much of the american public

sure the marshall plan helped europe, but i could argue that the expertise that europe provided america in developing the atom bomb has proved far more valuable. of course the marshall plan was created in large part to enable america to contain the soviet union more easily and to give it a greater say in europe. i'd call it a political rather than economic investment.

seeing as i'm doing all they typing, and you dodging ever onwards, why don't you build a case why the us use of the bomb against japan was comparable to european actions in fighting hitler during the prior period?

I don't want to join the flamewar, but I would like to point out that "I'm Afraid of Americans" is the best David Bowie track I've heard in years. If you haven't heard it yet, check out his latest "Best Of..." disk, it's the new track at the end.

21-7-b:

Argue? I am not arguing.

I now know it was all Hitler's fault, the rest of ya Ver Just Following Orders.

Britain is not involved in Iraq. I know this now. "Fully" anyhow. I GOT to look up that word "fully," cause it'll come in handy: "No, ma, I did not get my girlfriend 'fully' pregnant."

"why don't you build a case why the us use of the bomb against japan was comparable to european actions in fighting hitler during the prior period?"

I now know that only Europe was involved in fighting "Hitler."

"sure the marshall plan helped europe, but i could argue that the expertise that europe provided america in developing the atom bomb has proved far more valuable."

I now know. . .wait, what is your point again? Atom Bombs are bad, right? Wait a minute. . . Maybe your point is they are good?

As I said, you won. Just send US back the freaking money.

"i'd call it a political rather than economic investment." Aw man, I knew you were gonna "Welsh" out on the debt.

halfof33

i'm just asking you to actually expose the reasoning behind your position. it appears that you're choosing to hide behind any avenue that prevents you from doing so. i don't think you're coming across as a great wit, so if that's the aim, i've missed the point. provide a bit of structured reasoning - any form of structured post would be appreciated. if you could substantiate your point, at least in passing, i'd be even happier. if the feeble humor was replaced with something a little sharper, then we'd be... but no, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

just a structured post combined with your reasoning for any of your points would do you more justice, imo

halfof33: As I said, you won. Just send US back the freaking money.

Like to explain the phrase "Indian Giver"?

Anyway, the British Crown would like their land back, time for you to move to Mexico.... Chop chop!

Oh, and if you start on the 'we saved your asses in WW2' line, 3 farking years you sat on the fence about coming in (and most didn't want to get involved until Perl). Still, you made a tidy packet from selling us arms at 'favorable' rates.

You brought up Hiroshima (1945), I simply point out what was going on in Europe in the same decade.

You brought up Viet Nam (1955-1970) I simply point out Europe's little adventure in Algeria, which was going on in roughly the same period.

I love how some Americans lump together several soverign nations into one bloc (excluding the modern EU). From the example above you seem to ignore that America is the single nation.

Let's get back to basics.....

It is wonderful that you can ignore 600 plus years of European genocide, conquest, human rights violations, war, etc.....


Your only point is your nation is so young it hasn't had chance to catch up yet? Actually over the last few years your raw body count is well above the EU average!

/And it 'welch', moran.

21-7-b:

Witty? Well now that I am "fully" done with this conversation, now for something completely different:

Prince: My congratulations, Wilde. Your latest play is a great success. The whole of London's talking about you.
Oscar: There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.
(There follows fifteen seconds of restrained and sycophantic laughter).

Prince: Very, very witty ... very, very witty.
Whistler: There is only one thing in the world worse than being witty, and that is not being witty.
Fifteen more seconds of the same.

Oscar: Your Majesty is like a big jam doughnut with cream on the top.
Prince: I beg your pardon?
Oscar: Um ... It was one of Whistler's.
Whistler: I never said that.
Oscar: You did, James, you did.
The Prince of Wales stares expectantly at Whistler.

Whistler: ... Well, Your Highness, what I meant was that, like a doughnut, um, your arrival gives us pleasure and your departure only makes us hungry for more. (laughter) Your Highness, you are also like a stream of bat's piss.
Prince: What?
Whistler: It was one of Wilde's. One of Wilde's.
Oscar: It sodding was not! It was Shaw!
Shaw: I ... I merely meant, Your Majesty, that you shine out like a shaft of gold when all around is dark.
Prince: (accepting the compliment) Oh.
Oscar: (to Whistler) Right. Right? (to Prince) Your Majesty is like a dose of clap.
Whistler: Before you arrive -- before you arrive is pleasure, and after is a pain in the dong.
Prince: What?
Oscar: and Whistler One of Shaw's, one of Shaw's.
Shaw: You bastards. Um ... what I meant, Your Majesty, what I meant ...
Oscar: We've got him, Jim.
Whistler: Come on, Shaw-y.
Oscar: Come on, Shaw-y.
Shaw: I merely meant ...
Oscar: Come on, Shaw-y.
Whistler: Let's have a bit of wit, then, man.
Oscar Come on, Shaw-y.
Shaw: (blows a raspberry)

"/And it 'welch', moran."

COMEDY GOLD!

halfof33: "/And it 'welch', moran."

COMEDY GOLD!



You n0b :)

1. Login: Half Man Half Biscuit
Fark account number: 191922

Login: halfof33
Fark account number: 155081

2. Welch is a varient of Welsh

3. It is "its" not "it."

4. Moran is, of course, spelled correctly

halfof33:

1. Login: Half Man Half Biscuit
Fark account number: 191922

Login: halfof33
Fark account number: 155081

translation: my knob is bigger than yours. (Should be playing Fark Bingo!)

2. Welch is a varient of Welsh

Nope. Not where I am, about 10 miles from North Wales.

3. It is "its" not "it."

Fugin keyboards.....

1. Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

3 entries found for welch.
Main Entry: Welch
Pronunciation: 'welch
variant of WELSH

2. "Translation: my knob is bigger than yours."

If the pants don't fit, don't wear them.

Translation: I am a woman.

/not really.

It is it's (note apostrophe)

/had to be done