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2005-02-13 12:07:26 PM
Registration is proof that newspaper websites are nothing but a bunch or greedy bastards, even if they report shiatty news.
 
2005-02-13 12:10:31 PM
Ben Sheets is good, he'll be traded anyways midseason and I submitted a funnier article with a better headline...Go Cubs
 
2005-02-13 12:13:37 PM
Out Of Bounds:

Registration is proof that newspaper websites are nothing but a bunch or greedy bastards

I didn't have to register....

*scratches head*
 
2005-02-13 12:16:20 PM
PPL_Wannabe, really? It keeps asking me to register.

http://www.jsonline.com/registration/regform.asp?regcategory=Brew&returnurl =http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brew/fe b05/301402.asp

I wonder why.
 
2005-02-13 12:19:24 PM
Yeah, pro athletes in this country are a bunch of farkin coonts.

To make it worse, they're so retarded they can't even appreciate how enormous their salaries really are!

"Whaddya call that number with the six zeros behind it?"
 
2005-02-13 12:21:14 PM
I think most NHL fans already understand a good deal about greed its incredibly strong correlation to professional sports.
 
2005-02-13 12:22:27 PM
FireFox seems to get you around registering automatically, on this site. But you can only see the first half of the article.
 
2005-02-13 12:24:25 PM
it wants me to register, and i am using firefox
 
2005-02-13 12:24:40 PM
i didn't know further proof was necessary. i would have thought the various strikes, lockouts, charges for autographs and ticket prices would have been ample warning that the sports industry is most concerned with money.
 
2005-02-13 12:28:00 PM
That's one reason I love Aussie Rules Football. The players aren't paid and are required to work regular F-T jobs.
 
2005-02-13 01:11:31 PM
I think it's hilarious when people bag on professional athletes for commanding what the market will pay. I run an organization and I've not had a single employee ever refuse a raise on principle. Come annual review time, they are wach prepared to make their pitch as to why they deserve more money than last year. For those who complain, I would say that it smacks of jealousy that you can't command that kind of money for playing on Fark in your mom's basement.

/sports aren't mandatory
//don't like palyer salaries? don't watch or attend games.
 
2005-02-13 01:13:34 PM
wach=each

/I don't get paid enough to spell check
 
2005-02-13 01:26:16 PM
Howie Spankowitz: //don't like palyer salaries? don't watch or attend games.


I don't. Why would I want to watch a bunch of over-paid babies? I do agree with you though. Too many people complain about it, but still watch
 
2005-02-13 01:28:17 PM
Yeah capitalism is perfect, there are no anomalies where people receive much more or less than they actually should receive based on their contribution. Please. These atheltes make more per week than the people who aren't turning down raises make per year. There is no comparison.
 
2005-02-13 01:44:34 PM
J.Garcia'sRightMiddleFinger: "Yeah capitalism is perfect, there are no anomalies where people receive much more or less than they actually should receive based on their contribution. Please. These atheltes make more per week than the people who aren't turning down raises make per year. There is no comparison."

No one said ca[italism is perfect. However, in a free market, without excessive central control, individual markets set wages within particular business spaces. Define "their contribution." You can't quantify that. The taxes they pay? The charitable contributions theey make? The community pride some regions have in their professional sports teams?
 
2005-02-13 02:05:35 PM
Wait....how is Ben Sheets a greedy bastard for requesting a salary which is below what he would make on the open market anyway?

It's not Sheets' fault the Brewers suck. He was actually very very good last year. If the Brewers would pay players what other teams are willing to pay them, they WOULDN'T suck....but why should a player say "You know, I'm one of the top 10 pitchers in the game....but the team isn't very good, so they shouldn't have to pay me as much as my peers."?
 
2005-02-13 02:06:16 PM
Howie Spankowitz
I sometimes get sick of that argument. Surely, they are being paid market value for their services... but do they REALLY have to piss and moan that they are NOT being paid enough money, when it's time to come up with a collective barganing agreement? And hey, we can complain all we want... we're the ones with the checkbooks (I only attend college games, myself).
A lot of these people aren't even grateful to the fans who pay their salaries. There sure as hell aren't many Cal Ripkens out there... you know, people who will sit around for many hours and sign autographs.
Hell, a lot of players are so full of themselves, they won't even sign something without being paid for it.
 
2005-02-13 02:10:34 PM
Unions of professional athletes make me sick... there are unions out there fighting for people who risk their lives each day... fighting to give people enough money to put food on their families. Heh...
But players' unions are fighting to keep inflating salaries and to keep drug testing out of their sport...
 
2005-02-13 02:10:59 PM
I feel sorry for the poor Selig family. They try so hard. Promise to field a real team to get the taxpayers to build them a new stadium and then continue to use a bunch of minor leagures.

And a team trying to negotiate a contract to avoid an arbitaration dispute over $1 million might not be the best example of greedy players. I also don't know if being on a crappy team that played horribly that despite pitching very well, left me with a losing record would make me want to keep coming back for less money.
 
2005-02-13 02:12:14 PM
puffy999

You will get no argument from me that many professional athletes are bastards You will get no argument from me that many firefighters are bastards and that many data processors are bastards and that many corporate CEO's are bastards...

I tire of it wheen they piss and moan as well. That is why I exercise my right as a consumer to avoid purchasing their jersey, buying products they endorse or glorifying them to my son. They have the right to campaign for what theey can get. I have the right to ignore their existence.
 
2005-02-13 02:15:27 PM
2005-02-13 02:10:34 PM puffy999
Unions of professional athletes make me sick... there are unions out there fighting for people who risk their lives each day... fighting to give people enough money to put food on their families. Heh...
But players' unions are fighting to keep inflating salaries and to keep drug testing out of their sport...


While you DO have a point.....the union isn't necessarily a bad thing....without it, owners would STILL most likely be raising ticket prices until they reached a level fans were unwilling to pay....and instead of paying the athletes, they'd just be pocketing the money.

I hate professional salaries too....but the players make what they command. Hell, the market shifted pretty significantly after A-Rod, and Manny's contracts on its own.....

And yes, the union does have some sketchy stances on most issues....but they are doing their job. The union's job is to look after the best financial interests of the players....not the game. Although, sooner or later the players' interests will most likely be at the detriment to the game, and then things will have to change drastically.
 
2005-02-13 02:21:45 PM
puffy999

Do the owners of professional athletic teams make you equally as sick as they attempt to get taxpayers (sports fans or not) to finance stadiums? How about Corporate CEO's who grovel for tax breaks to keep them from moving their companies and jobs out a partuicular area? I just don't understand this single-minded crticism of professional athletes as the embodiment of greed. I find greed directed at my tax dollars much more nefarious.
 
2005-02-13 02:29:18 PM
Oh, and good points, Buck Futter
 
2005-02-13 03:28:38 PM
Howie Spankowitz:

Do the owners of professional athletic teams make you equally as sick as they attempt to get taxpayers (sports fans or not) to finance stadiums?

The fact that the state uses tax money for new stadiums pisses me off to no end, although at least Cleveland had the decency to let the voters decide if and how they wanted to pay for one. The elected officials didn't even ask the people in PA if we wanted new stadiums, but we got them (and a significant part of the bill). Then ticket prices went up, too. Bastages!

In my opinion, the players are just like the rest of us -- they should get as much money from their employers as they can.
 
2005-02-13 04:03:58 PM
Howie

If they didn't get corporate welfare to pay for stadiums, I wouldn't care at all. The fact is, there has never been a single economic study that has found a sports team to contribute significantly to the local economy where it is located, yet the millionaires and billionaire owners get subsidized so they can have a nice stadium to play in. If the guys can make millions, good for them. I do think they are overpaid, but if someone will pay them that much, good for them. The subsidies are wrong though.
 
2005-02-13 05:31:19 PM
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2005-02-13 06:03:58 PM
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2005-02-13 06:08:03 PM
J.Garcia'sRightMiddleFinger and P7hk9:

I agree wholeheartedly. That's part of the point I was making to puff999 before he skedaddled (perhaps wriggling from the clutches of superior reason?). When pro athletes, many of whom struggled in the minor leagues (in the case of baseball and hockey) or grew up in an economically depressed neighborhood or country try to do what each and every one of us does (try and maximize our earning potential), they are held up as the poster children for "all that is wrong with society." Let them get what they can. The market will adjust. But the owners better stay away from taking my wages to subsidize what they pay their employees and line their own pockets with.
 
2005-02-13 06:17:43 PM
This one should be fun when it goes to the main page.
 
2005-02-13 07:38:42 PM
I would rather have the money going in the players' hands than staying with the greedy owners. Read Ball Four for a great description of the frugality and overall douchebaggery of owners before free agency and capitalism determined salaries.
 
ltb
2005-02-13 07:41:36 PM
Sheets would make at least $10m/season on the open market. How is he greedy for asking for a contract that's well below market value?
 
2005-02-13 07:43:12 PM
Sheets, who made $2.425 million last season, filed a salary request of $6.5 million in his second year of arbitration eligibility. The Brewers countered with an offer of $5.5 million.

Just take it you prick
 
2005-02-13 07:44:20 PM
your dog thinks it's unlikely i'll register to view this story.
 
2005-02-13 07:46:39 PM
This thread just SCREAMS to be overtaken by NHL Discussion.

Too bad all farkers aren't canadian

/Not canadian, but just sayin...
 
2005-02-13 07:47:08 PM
Seriously, now.

If you pay to go watch a baseball game, would you rather the revenue from your ticket go to :

1. The rich owner who struck gold in used cars or something, and has nothing to do with the game

or

2. The player on the field, who you paid to go see


I just don't understand the hatred for the large paychecks. As long as you keep going to games, they will keep getting paid this much.
 
2005-02-13 07:49:30 PM
ltb:

Sheets would make at least $10m/season on the open market. How is he greedy for asking for a contract that's well below market value?

Exactly. What do all you people propose, that the owners pay the players vastly below what they're worth and keep the money for themselves?
 
2005-02-13 07:52:35 PM
Welcome to this month's congregation of Fark Book Club. Just a reminder, for next month's meeting we will be discussing a book called "Major League Losers" by Mark Rosentraub. It outlines the real effect public-financed stadiums have on the economy of the cities footing the bill.

Mark Rosentraub has been researching these effects for many years as a college professor, and is presently at Cleveland State University. He has been retained by various cities and organizations to analyze the economic benefits a new stadium would bring to an area.

/seriously... read the book
//met the man, sat in one of his lectures
///and clicky the amazon.com ad on the Fark frontpage
 
2005-02-13 07:53:07 PM
How is this relevant/significant enough to get green lighted?
 
lfv
2005-02-13 07:54:44 PM
Sports cost about ZERO to follow and enjoy. I don't spend anymore than my cable bill, which I would pay anyways, and the occasional trip to the sports bar during NFL season. And the 5-15 or so hours a week, depending on the season, of enjoyment I get out of it is well worth it.
 
2005-02-13 07:57:54 PM


That's what I think about these registration-required sites.
 
2005-02-13 08:01:01 PM
The_Synergism: How is this relevant/significant enough to get green lighted?

That is what I'm wondering, I'm a big baseball fan and all that good stuff but come on now.
 
2005-02-13 08:03:54 PM
The_Synergism -

There are two reasons why this is relevant. 1) Farkers like to complain about lots of stuff. 2) Because it is a problem that affects many, not all, but many of us.

Let's run with that second reason. Higher player salaries mean higher ticket prices for consumers. There are a few steps in between those points, but that's what it comes down to. I don't like it, but at some point it will all stop. The owners and their Republican capitalist stance will continue to drive prices up until the consumers can't take it anymore. Until then, why should they stop? If some schmo will pay more for a ticket to a game than you would, what should stop him from selling the ticket to the schmo?

I just wish that the game would be brought back to an affordable level, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon. The owners are bungholes, but at the end of the day you can curse them all you want, but they've got your money.
 
2005-02-13 08:06:06 PM
Oh yeah, one more thing... this probably got greenlighted because it had a headline that makes people want to clicky, and also because the touchy issue would bring about a lot of page views for Fark simply from the comments section. I'm a dork.
 
2005-02-13 08:21:23 PM
Submitter's a nut. Sheets is one of the biggest bargains in MLB. I certainly don't fault the guy for negotiating a little bit, Watch what he gets next year.
 
2005-02-13 08:27:14 PM
Higher player salaries mean higher ticket prices for consumers

That's actually a misnomer. Player salaries have very little effect on the price of tickets whatsoever. The tickets are priced at the demand for them. No one wants to go? ...low ticket sales. Everyone wants to go? ...high ticket sales. This same principal is why people will pay $3000 for front row seats of Celine Dione but won't pay $5 cover to see no-name band down at the blues club. Price befits demand.

What the players are arguing about is that they deserve the largest portion of that ticket revenue, which makes sense enough. But whether they get high salaries or not, the balance of your ticket money still goes into owner's pockets....you know, the guy you've never seen before and doesn't contribute one bit to your enjoyment of the game.
 
2005-02-13 08:30:46 PM
Ishkur

*golf clap*

Well done.
 
2005-02-13 08:35:48 PM
I love how a number of people in this thread complain how the "inflated" players salaries lead to higher ticket prices- thus, that is why they should care about what other people are making. These same angelic socialists are the folks who vote to raise the minimum wage (70% for it here in FL) every chance they get- thus leading to higher prices across the board, from fastfood to landscaping. Hypocrisy!
 
2005-02-13 08:39:20 PM
You know most people would be considered morans if they declined to get paid as much as they're worth to their employers. Would you take $40000 a year if an equally skilled worker in the same position were making $100000 a year? If you would, I've got some openings for ya...
 
2005-02-13 08:46:15 PM
for the 43664327th time....

the money is there to be made. Yall dont want the athletes to make the money? ...then you have to be OK w/ owners making $75,000,000/year. SOMEONE has to get the money
 
2005-02-13 08:52:22 PM
How many top talented people have to agree to be drafted and bound for about six years to an employer in order to practice their craft? Actors? Musicians? Accountants?
 
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