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(ABC)   New HIV virus turns to AIDS in just three months. Trojan stock goes through the roof   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 537
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2005-02-12 12:12:38 AM
Yakivegas

Pet Peeve: The "V" in HIV stands for "virus", people.

Pointing out the redundancy or what that just an FYI? ;)
 
2005-02-12 12:12:44 AM
spigi

Oh, and AIDS isn't a cell, it's a syndrome. HIV is a virus that causes AIDS. Viruses are not cells.

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Yep, and it attacks single cells.

So... why aren't our single cells evolving too to ignore it?

Why does evolution only work one way?
 
2005-02-12 12:13:05 AM
Once again... my "constantly-jerking-off" and "never-doing-stupid-shiat-that-may-put-me-in-jeopardy-of-getting-a-blood-trans p lant" is somewhat validated.
 
2005-02-12 12:13:19 AM
I, for one, welcome our new, monkey humping virus overlords
 
2005-02-12 12:13:44 AM
"More homosexuals and drug addicts going bye-bye faster...."


Only at first, but not just that demographic, but these as well:

1) Infants born with AID's
2) People who may have a cheating partner they are not aware of
3) High school teens
4) Rape victims
5) Your averge Joe Six Pack with some girl from the bar

The strain won't stay in a sphere you can feel happy and condescending about; the strain will make its way into circles we tread.
 
2005-02-12 12:13:50 AM
flap flap flap flap
 
2005-02-12 12:14:05 AM
jpboaty
IIRC, some homosexual men have about 50 partners per year.


You seem to be under the impression that only homosexuals get aids... completely untrue.


/why do I keep feeding the trolls?
 
2005-02-12 12:15:12 AM
The only way to fix the HIV/AIDS epidemic, and I know this isn't going to be popular, is to have everyone take the test, and everyone who comes out positive be marked in some way that others can know to avoid sharing needles/bodily fluids with them. Either that or kill them. Sounds harsh, and I wouldn't sponsor such a program, but short of finding a cure, there really isnt another way, as most people do not know they have it until they have potentially spread it to many others (kind of like what happened in the porn industry last year).
 
2005-02-12 12:15:32 AM
Rakishi I don't see why this form of HIV is so bothersome, it kills faster so it spread more slowly
excellent point

Lace Valentine
Generally HIV is latent for about 10 years before full-blown, not all strains but certainly not so quick as three months and then BAM! full-blown AIDs. Wow!

that is blantantly false, it depends on the strain of HIV, the hosts immune status and other medical problems, Pseudomonas had it right
 
2005-02-12 12:15:50 AM
drinkerofh2o

I think they're just trying to say you're more likely to have unsafe and unwanted sex while under the influence. I don't see how it could go any further than that.
 
2005-02-12 12:15:52 AM
JPBOATY IS TROLLING!!!! IGNORE HIM AND HE'LL GO AWAY!!!!
 
2005-02-12 12:16:04 AM
Lace Valentine: Only at first, but not just that demographic, but these as well:

You forgot blood/organ donations/transfusions.
 
2005-02-12 12:16:11 AM
toyotaboy

hate to say it, but thank god i'm straight and married

why do you hate to say that you're straight and married?
 
2005-02-12 12:17:02 AM
1) AIDS is not a "single cell". Its a bit of RNA encapsulated by a protein coat that hooks on to certain immune cells via a marker. I'd be more specific, but its been 10 years since I've had Microbiology and Prokaryotic Genetics.

2) Simply by going full blown in 3 months, this strain of HIV has just caused itself to be LESS favorable in the game of evolution. This means it has LESS time to allow its host to infect others. One of the reasons why Ebola never becomes a world-wide disease - it kills its host way too efficiently and the symptoms are extremely obvious, a warning to others to keep the heck away.
 
2005-02-12 12:17:15 AM
12349876

ok, but why just crystal meth? what about pot? cocaine? heroin? or are they just implying that crystal meth is more commonly used in NYC than other behavior-altering drugs?
 
2005-02-12 12:17:37 AM
I have asked I think about three times now, why aren't our
single cells that AIDS attacks, why aren't those single
cells evolving too?

Why does evolution only work one way, where AIDS changes
rapidly, but our single cells don't budge.

Do we or don't we, evolve?

Yes or no?
 
2005-02-12 12:17:54 AM
jpboaty:
Each cell in your body has roughly the same DNA. If it changes drastically, you get problems like cancer. Your cells cannot evolve independently, like viruses.
 
2005-02-12 12:18:00 AM
gargantuan98

maybe he meant he's unhappily married
 
2005-02-12 12:18:19 AM
jpboaty, white blood cells do not evolve on their own. They are formed in the bones, and do not pass their DNA to their offspring, because they dont produce offspring. Our universal DNA, which is in the nuclei of all our cells, governs the way our body runs, as a whole. Single cells cannot evolve within us. Long-story-short.
 
2005-02-12 12:19:11 AM

Hawaiian Gohnorhea



??
makes your hoo-ha swell up and look like a pineapple?
 
2005-02-12 12:19:37 AM
Lace Valentine

"More homosexuals and drug addicts going bye-bye faster...."


Only at first, but not just that demographic, but these as well:

1) Infants born with AID's
2) People who may have a cheating partner they are not aware of
3) High school teens
4) Rape victims
5) Your averge Joe Six Pack with some girl from the bar

The strain won't stay in a sphere you can feel happy and condescending about; the strain will make its way into circles we tread.


that prediction was made W AIDS 1.0 too but it never bore much fruit. Other than a few isolated cases AIDS is still a disease that affects gays or drug users. And most of the isolated cases involve those associated W gays or drug users.
 
2005-02-12 12:20:16 AM
great, as if AIDS wasn't shiatty enough in it's regular form...

Part of me wants to say this is all his fault for being a drug whore...the other part feels cruel even suggesting that (no matter how true it may or may not be)...

/another reason not to have sex before marriage
//stop laughing at me...my virginity is by choice, damn you! By choice I say!
 
2005-02-12 12:20:18 AM
Pseudomonas
Each cell in your body has roughly the same DNA. If it changes drastically, you get problems like cancer. Your cells cannot evolve independently, like viruses.

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Doesn't the AIDS virus have it's own similar "structure"?

Or is just one AIDS cell wreaking all the damage in a man
and you can get a different AIDS cell for every man infected?

Are the batch of AIDS cells the same or not?

How did the entire batch of AIDS cells change at once?
 
2005-02-12 12:20:25 AM
suicidepoop

so... what you're saying is that, although the article makes this sound like a horrible turn of events, it's actually a step in the right direction?
 
2005-02-12 12:20:36 AM
Digitalstrange:

his point is that people still call it the HIV virus, which is like saying the human immuno-deficiency virus virus. Much as many people still say ATM macine which translates as the automated teller machine machine.

Let's not even mention the people that call it "tuna fish" or those crazy people in "the Hammer" (that's Hamilton, Ontario, eh) with their "Tiger-Cats".

Speaking of, was that "NCIS" show first called "Naval NCIS" (where the "N" stands for "Naval"), or am I just imagining things?

/it was called 1-800-Missing...
 
2005-02-12 12:20:45 AM
Eugenics

Like you said, and like I said, "not all strains." Yes of course one's immune system is involved--that's different for every person. But strains of this strength appear to be a new quality and concern.
 
2005-02-12 12:21:37 AM
Trojan stock goes through the roof

Except in Bush land, kids aren't told about condoms.
 
2005-02-12 12:22:07 AM
jpboaty

the entire batch didn't change, this is just a newfound strain of it. there's still some out there that's slow, but this is a new development, it just happens to have replicated enough to have become evident as of late.
 
2005-02-12 12:23:16 AM
Pretty cool how the aids virus has never been isolated in a lab but is worth billions.
 
2005-02-12 12:23:25 AM
Y'know, maybe we shouldn't be giving the AIDS drugs to people who are very likely to actively spread drug-resistant strains of the virus afterwards. I personally don't think we should risk the effectiveness of these drugs just to keep some meth-head alive a little while longer. With these miracle treatments should come responsibility, and anyone who is unwilling to respect the fact that they put the public at large at risk when they choose to have sex after contracting HIV and taking drugs for it shouldn't be trusted with them. Being addicted to crystal meth should be a pretty damn big tipoff that someone is not going to be responsible.
 
2005-02-12 12:23:56 AM
gargantuan98

toyotaboy

hate to say it, but thank god i'm straight and married

why do you hate to say that you're straight and married?


You've obviously never been straight and married if you have to ask.

/happily divorced.
 
2005-02-12 12:26:08 AM
jpboaty,

We will evolve to beat HIV, but it might take a couple of hundred or thousand generations. I know that creationists find that hard to believe, but that's the way evolution works.
 
2005-02-12 12:26:21 AM
just wait for the virus to evolve to become airborne, then I'll be scared.


It could happen
 
2005-02-12 12:26:23 AM
My bad. Yes, AIDS is the syndrome stemming from HIV infection, but I'm sure most people understood what I meant.

As for the "evolution" concept - human body is a bit more complex than a bacteria or a virus, with orders of magnitude more DNA base pairs, not to mention scads of "junk DNA" called introns that don't code anything (or at least were thought to not code for anything - we're finding out otherwise by studying post-transcriptional modification or something like that).

You've got billions of bacteria with a generational span of 20 minutes, each with about...say...400,000 base pairs (I could be really off there, but you get my point) and no advanced method of killing itself when it senses DNA damage from UV rays or chemical mutagens.

And you've got a billion humans with a gestational period of 9 months, each with billions of base pairs, much of which is sheltered from UV radiation by tissue or protected against mutation by enzymes or cells that will self-terminate (apoptosis) if DNA damage is sensed during the cell growth cycle (P51 gene or something).

So...there's a rather compelling reason why evolution takes place in single celled organisms faster than complex multicellular organisms.

As for why we aren't "evolving" to combat the AIDS crisis? Well...how many generations have we had since the 70's? At best about 2? Besides, as we are all too well aware, people can STILL breed while infected with HIV. That's part of the problem.
 
2005-02-12 12:26:33 AM
Jpboaty, HIV is not made of cells. If you dont understand the basics of evolution, virology, and human physiology, it might be hard to understand.
 
2005-02-12 12:26:55 AM
My brother knew a guy who got the HIV virus threw using the ATM machine after some gay junkie used it right before he did.

It was weird, because he had just finished arguing with some douchebag online about cells and viruses and immune systems and shiat.
 
2005-02-12 12:27:40 AM
Drinkerofh20: There is still a lot of serious scientists who think AIDS via HIV is a myth. Here's a quote from one site:

site = http://www.tperkins.com/aids/hivaids.htm

"...The patient dies (from the AIDS medications). All because they had a harmless marker in their blood system (labeled "HIV") and they bought into the fear of the non existing virus."
 
2005-02-12 12:28:20 AM
Holy fark!!!

This homersexual farker has been all but celibate anyway since the HIV rates started exploding over the last year and so many of the new cases are so resistent to the drugs, but jeez. Three months! You can't even count on the reliability of a test for three months.

Next thing it'll just be boring through your eye contact.

Am wishing *I* was straight and married at this point.
 
2005-02-12 12:29:34 AM
jpboaty

The different strains of HIV can infect one person. An individual can have many versions at one time, while the individual only has one type of human cells to fight back. HIV is not as good as humans are at making copies of itself, but it doesn't have to be. Imagine millions of copies being made, more than half with errors. Many of those errors will lead to an inactive HIV, but there are still millions more that can be as active or even more active than the original virus that entered the body. HIV is not nearly as complex genetically as a human, and variations aren't always a disadvantage for it. It also has a very sloppy copying mechanism, which actually helps it over time. In one individual, there can be many generations of different versions of HIV, and that benefits the virus and increases the chances of drug resistance. Humans breed much slower and have a spell checker for their DNA (unlike some headline submitters). I hope this clears up your misconception. You could also check out some virology websites in google.
 
2005-02-12 12:30:04 AM
See, that's why I never use public toilets.
 
2005-02-12 12:30:41 AM
Just for the record, meth users are more at risk becuase they tend to share used needles...thus facilitating the spread of the virus with direct blood-to-blood contact.

It doesn't get any riskier than injecting the damn thing directly into your bloodstream.

/didn't see if somebody else explained this
 
2005-02-12 12:30:41 AM
crazy_gaijin
the entire batch didn't change, this is just a newfound strain of it. there's still some out there that's slow, but this is a new development, it just happens to have replicated enough to have become evident as of late.

---

OK, so I take it that the AIDS virus, one cell of it changed
to something worse, and divided, then made a bunch more of
the same thing.

Men being humans, they apparently don't evolve to become
stronger against it.

OK.
 
2005-02-12 12:31:12 AM
crazy_gaijin - eh, I'm not up enough on my Epidemiology to say one way or another. Its a really bad strain, to be sure, but I don't think it will have the same longevity or be as wide-spread as more mild strains.
 
2005-02-12 12:31:38 AM
Digitalstrange:

Other than a few isolated cases AIDS is still a disease that affects gays or drug users. And most of the isolated cases involve those associated W gays or drug users.

Wow, won't Africans be relieved to hear that?
 
2005-02-12 12:32:39 AM
An HIV strand that turns into AIDS fast can be a good thing... the people will show signs sooner and not spread it to as many people.
 
2005-02-12 12:32:47 AM
spigi

spigi

jpboaty,

We will evolve to beat HIV, but it might take a couple of hundred or thousand generations. I know that creationists find that hard to believe, but that's the way evolution works.,

We will evolve to beat HIV, but it might take a couple of hundred or thousand generations. I know that creationists find that hard to believe, but that's the way evolution works.


but W jpboaty surviving isn't that a pretty strong disclaimer of the idea that evolution is "working"?

Maybe the "It's just a theory" group has a point.
 
2005-02-12 12:33:56 AM
You know your an alcoholic when you repeat yourself,
You know your an alcoholic when you repeat yourself
 
2005-02-12 12:33:59 AM
jpboaty said "OK, so I take it that the AIDS virus, one cell of it changed to something worse, and divided, then made a bunch more of
the same thing. Men being humans, they apparently don't evolve to become
stronger against it."


Hrm, lesse. HIV has probably had trillions upon trillions of generations since we've discovered it.

Humanity has had about...two or three generations. Plus given the fact that people can still breed when infected with HIV doesn't exactly provide enough evolutionary pressure to see the changes you are looking for.
 
MrJ
2005-02-12 12:34:07 AM
 
2005-02-12 12:34:36 AM
Not sure, but isn't HIV (or any virus for that matter) so small that it could pass through a condom fairly easily? Maybe this was just 15 year old info from middle-school, don't remember.

Serious question. Not trolling.
 
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