Silly Spain. Surrender's for France.

What, there's more than one terrorist group? And they aren't all Islamic radicals? Since when?

/sarcasm

The headline makes no sense, given that ETA's been setting off bombs in the name of Basque independence for decades. This has nothing to do with Iraq.

Submitter has his terrorist groups mixed up. Silly submitter.

See what happens when you forget Poland?

Well ok...but since the troops are gone...then they weren't Iraqi terrorists.

right?

They must know Kerry.



/FlipFlop...
//Love that JibJab movie

Most misleading. Headline. Ever.

Gah.

Submitter doesn't so much have the wrong end of the stick, but is in fact standing in the wrong forest.

"...shattering thick panes of glass in buildings..."

why are the panes of glass thick?

"The headline makes no sense, given that ETA's been setting off bombs in the name of Basque independence for decades. This has nothing to do with Iraq."

I agree. Maybe Fark needs a skill test question for posting new threads...

indeed, different terror groups altogether. The ETA and Al Q has completly different motives for thier attacks.

Because all terrorism is aimed at doing the same thing. By that rationale, we could have another Oklahoma City Bombing by another white guy, and decide to invade Iran over that.

Submitter is a RETARD.

...and by the same logic, i'm going to blame that tsunami on a butterfly that i saw in my garden yesterday.

quiefNpea:

'They'? Who is 'they' in this context?

Um.... are you people saying that Basque separatists who blow shiat up are NOT terrorists????

Technoblake:

Submitter has illustrated an idiotic belief system. Bravo.

Seriously, please brush up on world events.

Care to explain what he did...

Submitter learned reading comprehension skills from ADD sufferers.

This only goes to show that real change in Spain is long overdue. Spain has thumbed its nose at UN resolutions to disarm for long enough.

The US must invade Spain. Spain is a haven for terrorists, its government is dangerously radical, and it possesses (or wishes / intends to possess) the most heinous weapons of mass destruction. We must free the people of Spain from tryanny and spread freedom and liberty amongst the Spanish people.

Either you are with us... or you are with the Spaniards.

To echo Programmer Cat

Submitter is either a troll or has little or no knowledge of Spanish terrorism.

The first bomb on twas by Islamic fundamentalists, the second bomb was by ETA, ETA are Basque seperatists and have absolutely no connection with Al Qaeda etc. The two are completely unrelated.

Bin Laden, from his ETA headquarters in Baghdad, must be rubbing his palms together with abject glee.


AmeriCapitalistPeaceGodofWar bless the USA.
.

My government told me that terrorists = turbans... so... maybe these guys were bombing on cleaning day.

Call it a hunch, but I suspect submitter is a Bushie.

/and submitter deserves to hear it a thousand times: Wrong farkin terrorists asshat
//and you wonder why the lefties mock you when you say the impetus for attacking Iraq was the GWOT. Coffee's brewing, can you smell it yet?

Worst submission ever.

Hoping it was a joke that fell flat, and that it doesn't truly reflect the profound ignorance of the submitter.

Yeah but this time nobody died...so these terrorists are a little "nicer" aren't they? hehe

Gaylord Focker:

That isn't the point.. the point is that ETA != Al Qaeda

I must have missed the speech in which Osama calls upon the faithful to support the Basque cause and drive the spainish imperial heretics into the sea.

All Spain needs to do now is declare war on Israel and the US. Oh, and convert everyone to Islam.

Shocker, someone who uses fox news has a flawed view of global affairs......

Gaylord Focker

Um.... are you people saying that Basque separatists who blow shiat up are NOT terrorists????

By the dark eternal, no! I'm saying that the submitter is a moran for not distinguishing between Islamofascist swine and Basque separatists and using a headline that makes it look to those who didn't RTFA as if the Islamofascist swine set off another bomb despite Spain's withdrawal from Iraq.

Take a nice look folks, this is the same logic that allows them to declare WMD's had nothing to do with why we went into Iraq, and the same that will allow them to declare it a resounding success, ala Vietnam and the War on Drugs. We're simply there to Nation Build.

/but I got a tax cut

This is why people who don't know what they're talking about shouldn't submit stories, and why people on the same level as the submitter mentally should not respond to them.

wait..you mean the basque separatists don't
want to separate Spain from Iraq?

ah hell....
good thing we still have Poland!

wait...we don't?

FARK!

I'm sure the Columbian druglords are to blame. Let's invade Panama.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS,

even if they are the submitter.

Terrah, terrah, terrah, terrah,
terrah, terrah, terrah, terrah,
terrah, terrah, terrah, terrah,
Mushroom (cloud), Mushroom (cloud)!

/ Faa-aake, Faa-aake, oh, it's a faaaaaake!

No one could have seen this coming.

Ok...to all the people that are calling submitter an idiot...

Where did submitter point out which terrorists did anything? A terrorist is defined as somebody that actively tries to cause terror on a group of people through some means of violence. Did the submitter point out one terrorist over the other in some way that I am unaware?

No...he just said terrorist.

Terrorist != AlQ

Worth saying again:

Submitter is a retard

Don't tie in your pathetic Iraq terrorist preaching to Spain's internal problems.

Gaylord Fockers point is that Spain should be Iraq fighting the Basques.

Gaylord Focker must have submitted the headline. It all makes sense now.

Programmer Cat:

who didn't RTFA as if the Islamofascist swine set off another bomb despite Spain's withdrawal from Iraq

Well...then you should RTFA article next time, instead of making a snap decision for a chance to be a dumbass.

GJ Submitter. I'd expect nothing less from a Fox news subscriber.

Dumbass.

xiola: Don't tie in your pathetic Iraq terrorist preaching to Spain's internal problems

He never said anything about different types of terrorists

Moron

This one makes all the gung ho "lets kill em all and let god sort em out" types happy, as on the surface they can surmise that the terrorists are related. But then again who else watches Fox news for anything other than propaganda to support the administration's lies and the nations stupidity.

Submitter implied that the same terrorists struck again after Spain supposedly appeased them by pulling troops out of Iraq. That's the bogus connection.

.

"This is why people who don't know what they're talking about shouldn't submit stories, and why people on the same level as the submitter mentally should not respond to them."

Or vote, either.

True, it's a different terrorist group, and it's also true that ETA has been setting off bombs for decades.

On the other hand, I think it's also true that the Euskadi Ta Askatasuna believes that terrorism can work if the carnage is great enough. Whether or not that is a lesson that was reinforced from the 3/11 bombing is open for debate, but I don't think it lowered the chance of homegrown terrorists using the same weapon that foreign terrorists did.

If Spain would take its troops out of the Basque region as it did out of the Iraq region, I suspect that "terrrorist" attacks from that quarter would cease as well.

BTW the term "terrorist" is now reduced to a propaganda slogan meant to demonize our chosen enemy, much like "hun", "gook" "jap", "untermensch".

They are no longer "People like us but fighting for their side"

They are now, "subhumans, deserving our 'final solution' of Justice, freedom and all the things we call killing them.

Oh, and submitter, you're a freakin' mo-ran.

Submitter=ignorant douche who thinks all terror groups have same agenda.

rocket_uk: That isn't the point.. the point is that ETA != Al Qaeda

You're correct and were did submitter try and make that equality.

Diogenes

bin Laden includes Spain in his list of countries that, in his belief, belong to Islam.

I think that El Cid would disagree, especially if he were alive today to express his objections to bin Laden's opinions. Saying Spain belongs to Osama's longed-for Caliphate because Muslims ruled the place in the past makes as much sense as claiming that Israel belongs to the Jews because they used to live there.

We really should invade the Basque region.
They support terrorist.

Programmer Cat:

as if the Islamofascist swine set off another bomb despite Spain's withdrawal from Iraq.



They did not set off the first bomb either... All ETA.

DistendedPendulusFrenulum:

implied that the same terrorists struck again after Spain supposedly appeased them by pulling troops out of Iraq. That's the bogus connection.

No see...

He made the joke like that becasue he knew idiots would lump them together without reading the damn article.

He just told the events in the order they happened. It's up to idiots to make the wrong connection.

bulldg4life,

My God, you're right! ETA would never set off bombs if spanish troops were still in Iraq! How could I be so stupid! I just didn't see the connection before this was posted! God praise the submitter!!

Oh terrorists are always to blame..
and I agree, anyone who cites FoxNews as a source for global politics esp. relating to any sort of terrorism isn't really paying attention to the real facts.

bulldg4life:

Um, the point is the submitter didn't make the distinction - the headline was deliberatly misleading.

chtorran:

The submitter did not make the distinction between the terrorists who committed the train bombings and the terrorists who committed this bombing. Two separate groups with separate agendas. This bombing was the work of ETA. ETA never asked Spain to get out of Iraq. Their goal has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq. They want Basque independence.

EXACTLY

Diogenes:

It's implied. Are you too daft to recognize that? He ties both acts of terrorism through Spain's position on Iraq.

No...I saw what the headline was going for. I then read the article and saw that it was ETA. Then, I figured he probably did that because it's funny that they pulled troops out of Iraq, and yet they still get bombed..but by somebdoy else.

And he has made no assumptions in that headline. Everybody else has made those assumptions.

Silly Spain. Surrender's for France.

That's kind of funny because France used to give safe haven to the ETA.

bulldg4life: Where did submitter point out which terrorists did anything?

Submitter doesn't have to.

By including all four events in the headline Submitter implies that that chain of 4 events are somehow linked.

wait....what are Basque seperatists doing in Iraq? I guess we really have created a haven for terrorists.

Duuuuuuuuh.

That will pretty much sum up this thread.

Of course Spain pulled out of Iraq. We told them it was going to be quick and easy and they'd be able to leave in a few months. Well, 12 months later they said, "this is what we signed up for, our stint is over, in fact we added 6 months or so, we did more than our fair share especially considering 80% of our population was against ever going anyway"

duh, everyone knows that ETA = Estimated Time of Arrival

Technoblake: All the submitter was trying to do was troll.

Thank you.

Because he knew the amount of dumbasses on this website that would not read the article and instead get all worked up about it in the thread.

And let's not forget the former Spanish President deliberately lied and tried to pin the railway bombing on the ETA. That's why the people voted him out.

The Spanish people filled the streets after the railway bombing to show they weren't afraid, and that they would stand up for there country. The didn't cower in their homes behind duct tape, plastic sheeting, and a "war president".

Maybe what they needed were little magnet ribbins on their car.

I love the people who bash the headline when they don't understand it at all.

Obviously you don't either.

MugzyBrown

I think the fact that the spanish people have stood for many years in the face of being bombed by ETA shows that they do not submit to terrorism.

Remember kids - sort out your own back yard before trying to clean up the neighbourhood..

bulldg4life [TotalFark]

That's implication. It's the same trick Rove used in his white house PR whereby people still think there's a connection between Saddam and 9/11. It's an old lawyer's and propagandist's trick. You don't want to be caught actually stating the untruth, so you imply it, then when everbody spazzes out, you can say you never said it.

.

bulldg4life
The problem is the submitter didn't point out which terrorists did which. Unless you RTFA, you might think the 2nd terrorist attack was Al Qaeda.

Of course none of this matters if you live in Bush's logically bankrupt world.

"You're correct and were did submitter try and make that equality."

How old are you? Really?

Dear submitter,



Joanie sez "Get a brain Moran".

Technoblake:

I usually don't get personal in threads... But that type of attitude is disguesting. Very pro-life of you.

Ok first...are you seriouly going after another Bulldog fan.

Secondly, why are you taking stuff out of context just to be funny?

quienfpea:

George *W*affle Bush

On Oct. 10, 2000, Bush said: "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." On March 6, 2003, Bush expressed support for nation-building when he stated, "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people."

On Sept. 17, 2001, Bush, in a reference to Osama bin Laden, proclaimed, "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" By March 13 of the following year, Bush had gone from wanting bin Laden "dead or alive" to not caring about whether he was either. "I don't know where he is," Bush said at a news conference. "You know, I just don't spend that much time on him ... I truly am not that concerned about him."

In an interview on May 29, 2003, Bush claimed, "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories ... for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."

But it was Bush who was wrong. Appearing on "Meet the Press" on Feb. 7, he said that stockpiles "could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out."

The news media tracked how Bush flip-flopped on creating the 9/11 Commission.

"President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11," CBS News reported on May 23, 2002. On Sept. 20, less than four months later, ABC News reported, "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks."

In the mother of all flip flops, President Bush said on Sept. 25, 2002: "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." On Sept. 17, 2003, he was forced to concede. "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11."

In discussing whether the United States can win the war on terrorism, Bush has done a double-flip.

"One of the interesting things people ask me, now that we're asking questions, is, can you ever win the war on terror? Of course you can," Bush said on April 13 of this year. On August 30, he reversed himself, saying: "I don't think you can win [the war on terror]." The next day, Bush flipped yet again, saying: "Make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win [the war on terror]."

Spain rolled over for Al Qaeda, can't blame the ETA for trying the same. Al Qaeda proved it's a tactic that works with Spain.

Y'all don't get it. It's not the agenda that is the thing. You cave to terrorists, other terrists decide you will give them what THEY want, too, and decide to whack you again. The point is that Spain made a target of themselves when they caved in the first place.

TBone3212:

The problem is the submitter didn't point out which terrorists did which. Unless you RTFA, you might think the 2nd terrorist attack was Al Qaeda.

Wow...think of that...reading the article

What a novel idea.

DistendedPendulusFrenulum:

You don't want to be caught actually stating the untruth, so you imply it, then when everbody spazzes out, you can say you never said it.

And what does that take...

A stupid mass of public.

Cormee:

By including all four events in the headline Submitter implies that that chain of 4 events are somehow linked.

And yet he doesn't do that. Everybody else did.

Everybody else makes the assumption.

THIS THREAD =


Troll Flypaper.

bulldg4life

This is just a corollary of:



Step away with your integrity while you can.

Mr. Clarence Butterworth --
"Obviously you don't either."


No, it's you who didn't get it. Puff up your chest and walk away proud anyway. This is apparently a subtleness that's going to take a few days of thought on your part.

"Spain rolled over for Al Qaeda, can't blame the ETA for trying the same. Al Qaeda proved it's a tactic that works with Spain."

Duuuuuuuuuuh.

I think bulldg4life is the submitter

bulldg4life

Where did submitter point out which terrorists did anything?

The headline clearly implies that the first set of terrorists were linked to Iraq (which they were), AND that the second set of terrorists were also linked to Iraq (which they weren't).

A terrorist is defined as somebody that actively tries to cause terror on a group of people through some means of violence.
That's one (fairly broad) definition of terrorist. There are others.

Did the submitter point out one terrorist over the other in some way that I am unaware?
Yes.

No...he just said terrorist.
The implication was VERY clear.

Terrorist != AlQ
Agreed, Al-Queada is a subset of terrorist. Unfortunately I cannot find the subset symbol on my keyboard.

Oh, and props to cranialsodomy for the lifted Photoshop contest entry (it was the first pic of real flypaper when you GIS that word)

Spain pulled troops out of Iraq and sent them to Afghanistan, where Al-Qaeda actually was. Spain is much smarter than us.

If terrorists want to blow shiat up, they'll probably find a reason anyway.

A55H4T!111 D0NT 1NSULT T3H T3RR1STS!!!!11

ETA Al Qaeda

Submitter needs to RTFA.

Wow... what a misleading headline... It's really a shame that tons of people read fark because now all my right-wing friends are going to e-mail me this link with the subject "told ya so..."

The success of Al-Q in forcing a change of government isn't as simple as "Spaniards are wimps". The Spanish government blamed the train bombing on ETA when they knew it was Al-Q. They did this because they were afraid that if people knew then they would be voted out. Of course, when people found out 2 days before the election that the current government was lying to them, then they did vote them out. Now, was the government removed to appease Al-Q or because they lied to their populace. Most likely half and half.

/The world isn't simple
//Fox News: Simple Answers for Simple People

grizzlydan:

Y'all don't get it. It's not the agenda that is the thing. You cave to terrorists, other terrists decide you will give them what THEY want, too, and decide to whack you again. The point is that Spain made a target of themselves when they caved in the first place.


You mean, like when we decided to sell weapons to Iran back in 1980 in return for hostages?

To all of those peeps (Just about everyone) complaining.
This post is a The Rorschach test and you all failed.
You see what you want to see. Perhaps the submitter is saying, El-Q Terrorists bombed Spain and got results, so now a completely different Terrorist group is looking to do the same. But of course I must be wrong because you are the open-minded intellectuals and I am just a Red state moron.

MacG

because taller buildings actually use the class for some level of structural support (not too much as glass is heavy enough to break itself).

due to the liquid nature of glass, they're Likely to have to replace it every few years, but silicon dioxide is the most abundant chemical in the earth by about 50 times the amount of the next most abundant, so it shouldn't be too expensive (exempting of course the energy costs for heating it and the purifying process, which are noteably more expensive if you want that flat, clear glass that's so popular for looking out of).

Signed, a total nerd.

(also, congrats on having the least inflamitory comment. Bush sucks)

armageddonbound

I think bulldg4life is the submitter


So do I.

HotWing

The ETA has been doing this for years. They didn't need to take and cues from Al Qaeda. Just because they're all called terrorists doesn't mean they get together in a base in an abandoned volcano somewhere in the Pacific and swap stories about the best way to get gun powder residue out of whites.

ETA != al-Qaeda. headline is stupid.

Gaylord Focker

Um.... are you people saying that Basque separatists who blow shiat up are NOT terrorists????

-

Um.... are you saying that the US Military who blow shiat up are NOT terrorists????

Um.... are you saying that US Revolutionary Warriors who blow shiat up are NOT terrorists????

Um.... are you saying that one man's freedom fighter who blow shiat up are NOT another man's terrorists?

Um.... are you saying that YOU have no perspective?

Omega Ohm
Spain rolled over for Al Qaeda, can't blame the ETA for trying the same. Al Qaeda proved it's a tactic that works with Spain.

Ha!

Ha!

Yeah, 'cuz ETA has been sitting on their thumbs for years, hoping and praying that some other group would come along and show 'em how it's done!

Oh, silly ETA, all those bombings, all those decades of terror...didn't you know you hadn't received validation from Al Qaeda yet? You little scamps!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/545452.stm

A stupid mass of public.

Ungrammatical but apt. We call them Bush voters.

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2005-02-09 10:16:33 AM DrFong

I know. You misinterpreted my Duuuuuuuuuh.

You see what you want to see. Perhaps the submitter is saying, El-Q Terrorists bombed Spain and got results, so now a completely different Terrorist group is looking to do the same.

If you look at the goals of AQ and ETA, and the history of Spain with ETA, you can't make this assumption. It is simpleminded and erroneous.

armageddonbound

I think bulldg4life is the submitter

It would explain a lot, given how passionately bulldg4life defends it.

cleverloginname1

Calm down buddy....

HandsUp
I am just a Red state moron.
Well, at least you got something right.
If you would have RTFA, you would have noticed the ETA has been bombing Spain before Al Qaeda even existed.

God bless ETA and the IRA.
For there is only three true gods.
father. son. holy ghost.
happy ash wednesday.

Erin Moran, god she was fugly. How'd she ever get on tv?

Oh yeah... Submitter, you are a dummy.

Programmer Cat: It would explain a lot, given how passionately bulldg4life defends it.

Nope

But of course I must be wrong because you are the open-minded intellectuals and I am just a Red state moron.

I love when neocons add things like this to the end of their posts. It's either self-loathing or a pre-emptive strike against people making fun of them.

xenophon10k

bulldg4life must be the submitter. How else could he be so certain what the submitter was thinking? Why else would he continually be so defensive about how people perceive the headline?

Which would make him not just an asshat submitter, but an asshat submitter that refers to himself in the 3rd person.

bulldg4life

Are you the submitter? Sheesh, why are you defending the headline so much? This reminds me of the headline the other day that said something like "Brushing your teeth 3 times a day makes you thin" when really what the article said was that people who take care of their teeth are likely to take care of their bodies in general and therefore tend to be thin and fit. Of course the sumbitter in that case had no idea what he was talking about, because he was making it sound as if brushing your teeth makes you thin.

This is kind of like that. The submitter is making it sound like despite Spain's withdrawal from Iraq - which they did after they were the vicims of a terrorist attack - "the terrorists" came back and attacked them anyway, even though this is a different group (although certainly still a terrorist group - I'm not saying they aren't terrorists).

Now, I guess I can sorta see what the submitter meant...I mean, maybe he meant that despite Spain's attempt to protect themselves from a second terrorist attack, they were attacked again but by a different group. Kinda like saying, "Haha, you tried to protect yourself from another terrorist attack, but looks like another group got you anyway. Cowards." Or something. Note that the opinion in quotation marks is not my opinion...

DrFong:

Just because they're all called terrorists doesn't mean they get together in a base in an abandoned volcano somewhere in the Pacific and swap stories about the best way to get gun powder residue out of whites.

Best. Reply. Evar.

Don't forget Poland

Submitter was wrong, but why the tie in to Fox News? Just because they lean right they automatically group all terrorists together, BS. The front page article on foxnews.com clearly states that the ETA has claimed responsibility. Right wing wackjobs are the same as left wing wackjobs.

bulldg4life

Nope

Then why claim to know exactly what the submitter was meaning, and defend it so vehemently when, in truth, the submitter may just be a dumbass?

bulldg4life: Everybody else makes the assumption.

Oh right so by linking 1 unrelated event to 3 others attributed to Islamic terrorists the submitter isn't intentionally creating a misleading headline in the hope that people might link all of them together to come to an incorrect conclusion?

So if a newspaper were to publish a headline "George Bush, 43rd President of the United States. Born 1946. George Bush died today 9 Feb 2005" and continued with an article about a different GB it wouldn't be considered misleading?

Get real.

Another vote for "the submitter is a moran and should get a brain"

LittleSmitty: See what happens when you forget Poland?


I'm afraid the submitter IS Poland.

/And he didn't want to be forgotten.

:D

What is with all of this "Submitter is an idiot..." crap. The submitter isn't the only fool here. Somebody had to approve this link, didn't they?

Fox News: Simple Answers for Simple People

Hahah, bloody oath!

CanSomeonePleaseKilltheChristmasShoes

BTW the term "terrorist" is now reduced to a propaganda slogan meant to demonize our chosen enemy, much like "hun", "gook" "jap", "untermensch".

They are no longer "People like us but fighting for their side"

They are now, "subhumans, deserving our 'final solution' of Justice, freedom and all the things we call killing them.
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Thank you Sir. I agree completely.

PoorPeteBest

What is with all of this "Submitter is an idiot..." crap. The submitter isn't the only fool here. Somebody had to approve this link, didn't they?


Seeing as the approver has the power to banninate it's safer to take the piss out of the submitter.

binnster:

Then why claim to know exactly what the submitter was meaning, and defend it so vehemently when, in truth, the submitter may just be a dumbass?

Because I'm hoping as much as you guys that somebody couldn't possibly be that stupid.

The bombing was in Spain...
...Spain has a long coastline...
...the Spanish will have built ships...
...the Armada was made of ships...
...the Armada was defeated by the English...
...the English like football...
...so do the Dutch...

I've got it!

England-Holland friendly on the tube tonight, wooo!!

Hotwing

Sorry my sarcasm meter must be off this morning.

PoorPeteBest

Hee hee...I invite you to impugn the approver.

I'll be standing over here, behind this brick wall...

/the goggles, they'll do nothing

PoorPeteBest
What is with all of this "Submitter is an idiot..." crap. The submitter isn't the only fool here. Somebody had to approve this link, didn't they?

Banninantion in 3..2..1..

ZAZ:

I like the headline. It is literally true but misleading, just the thing to spoil an oversensitive liberal's morning coffee.


Cause god knows, only liberals are interested in the truth.

Thats what you are implying, right?

So news is now defined by people taking some action which has no effect on a completely separate issue.

How about this then:

Local man's damp proofing of house does nothing to prevent storm lifting several roof tiles.

Bet the submitter didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

Cormee:

Oh right so by linking 1 unrelated event to 3 others attributed to Islamic terrorists the submitter isn't intentionally creating a misleading headline in the hope that people might link all of them together to come to an incorrect conclusion?

So, he's not pointing out the stupid mob mentality of a group of people, when he kenw that they probably wouldn't read the article and see that he was trying to get them to think that way.

I'm going to go on the assumption that the source, tag, and headline were all a powerful ploy to make fun at the current "lumping" categorization of "terrorists", right?

Terrible headline.

Spain gave into the al-qaeda demands because they had little real intrest in iraq.

the leaders didn't want to go into Iraq because that would make them appear anti-muslim, which would go a long way to causing them to being less likely to be voted for by the country's rather large muslim minority.

&lttheory>

bush made promises in terms of oil contracts after things got "taken care of" for helping to support the image of a multi-nation front,

</theory>

and spain didn't really have much to lose by sending in a few soldiers.

however, after major american corporations got almost all of the contracts, spain felt a little on the betrayed side, but decided to remain stalwart because it still wasn't costing them much and keeping them on the good side of the most powerful nation in the world.

Once the bombings brought their actions to their civilians, there really was a cost to being there, that the leaders couldn't afford and they decided to pull out.

it cost the iraq war effort nothing but credibility, which is one thing it already had a short supply of.

Not a conspiricy, just common sense for the leaders.

(no one outside the US likes Bush at all. No one)

bulldg4life

Because I'm hoping as much as you guys that somebody couldn't possibly be that stupid.

Heh, remember, this is the intarwebs ;)

That headline is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this website.

Rapmaster2000
"The success of Al-Q in forcing a change of government isn't as simple as "Spaniards are wimps". The Spanish government blamed the train bombing on ETA when they knew it was Al-Q. They did this because they were afraid that if people knew then they would be voted out. Of course, when people found out 2 days before the election that the current government was lying to them, then they did vote them out. Now, was the government removed to appease Al-Q or because they lied to their populace. Most likely half and half."

I was in Barcelona the day after the bombings and stayed up with the marchers who were there to display their bravery by being in public AND to protest the lies President Jose Adnar had tried to stuff down their throats on the day of the bombings: that it was ETA and not Al Q that was responsible. His lies had unraveled by the end of the day of the bombings; his party went from 5 points up to three points down in the next 48 hours. There was no doubt in my mind that the lies, not the policies, did his party in. All of the editorialists ripped into him for the lies, very little about the Iraqi policy.

siener
Another vote for "the submitter is a moran and should get a brain"

Yeah, but the brain in Spain falls mainly on the plain, and the Basque homeland is in the western Pyrenees.

right. i'm sure there's never been any communication between al qaeda and ETA. suuuuure there hasn't been. each group exists in a vacuum.

ikanreed

(no one outside the US likes Bush at all. No one)

I don't blame them. Just don't blame me; I voted Libertarian.

kuhns_m et al
True. ETA has been around for sometime.
Do you think Al-Q's success encouraged or discouraged ETA?

they had it coming?

/got nothing

binnster: Heh, remember, this is the intarwebs ;)

Yeah, I know.

Part of why I probably shouldn't have said anything in the first place. It was just, I'm willing to bet money the submitter wrote the headline in that way because he knew people would make the snap judgement and react that way.

Now, I'm not condoning that to make a point. However, everybody that made the snap judgement without reading the article is in the same boat as the submitter.

We don't need the idiocy on either end at times like this.

I'm Jeff Gannon and I approve of this headline.

Its not so much the ideals and goals of the two terrorist groups that the submitter is comparing, but the method. Basically what is being said is that Spain has shown that it will capitulate to demands put forth by people willing to bomb their populace. That being said, I am truly sorry for anyone hurt and hope that our government stands beside Spain and helps them root out these terrorists as well. Specifically targeting innocent people is not a viable solution to any political conflict and needs to be met with overwhelming force, not negotiation or underrstanding.

I just heard this most interesting report, where the author more or less proved that historically, terrorism has never been effective.

You'd think these guys would learn.

ikanreed

(no one outside the US likes Bush at all. No one)

no one outside of your mom's basement love's you. No one

xenophon10k --
"No, we are trying to prevent the assumption from being made. We know that the headline is wrong on the facts and misleading."

OH MY GOD!!!

A MISLEADING HEADLINE!

THE FARKING UNIVERSE IS GOING TO END!

THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF NEWS MEDIA!

You people are getting beyond rediculous. More likely, it's the obstinate refusal to believe that terrorists took a hint from AQ that blowing the shiat out of Spain is a tactic that works on the Spanish government.

No! You can't be wrong! Spain couldn't have been wrong to capitulate! They had to be right! They just had to be!

Get the hell over it. Spain set a bad example and they're going to pay the price with more bombs. That's what happens when you give in to thugs. Once they've seen you can be pushed over, they'll keep trying to push you over until they get everything they want from you and more.

I dont think that Al Q really succeeded in their bombing. True, Spain withdrew, but its probably due to internal pressure. True, Al Q likely saw it as a victory, but we cant really help that, can we? They demand that wewithdraw from Iraq, so in 6 months, 12 months, 3 months, whenever we do it, will we be caving in to their demands?

/food for thought

ikanreed

Spain gave into the al-qaeda demands because they had little real intrest in iraq...

...Once the bombings brought their actions to their civilians, there really was a cost to being there, that the leaders couldn't afford and they decided to pull out.


You probably missed the fact that something like 80% of the people were against sending troops to Iraq, and voted in the opposition party that vowed to remove them at the first oppertunity. The leaders that took Spain out of Iraq weren't the same ones that put them in.

Speaking of Spain...

Sparated at birth???

I'm Jeff Gannon and I approve of this headline.

Heh. Him and that Jerome Corsi asshole should be launched into space.

Well where are the Spanish going to go now? Since they have to leave Spain and all.

Just what the US needs, more mexican (mexican = spanish) immigrants.

"Get the hell over it. Spain set a bad example and they're going to pay the price with more bombs. That's what happens when you give in to thugs."

So your assertion is that if Spain stayed in Iraq, the ETA would stop bombing stuff?

PoorPeteBest - "Somebody had to approve this link, didn't they?"

One thing I've learned from my month of TF sponsorship, is that the mods (SweaterGirl in particular) like to keep the flamewars off the Total Fark page. In fact, if a flamewar does erupt in the TF community, the smack is laid down pretty quickly. Something about it bringing down the value of the neighborhood. By implication, they think Farkliters are a bunch of cretins who endlessly argue over the same old shiat, never changing their stance or opinions. Now I wonder what on earth could possibly have given them that idea?

Smert - "Submitter was wrong, but why the tie in to Fox News?"

As of a couple of weeks ago, Fox News were still attributing the big Madrid bomb to ETA (according to their timeline of ETA bombings), so they have a track record of misinformation in this regard.

HandsUp - "Perhaps the submitter is saying, El-Q Terrorists bombed Spain and got results, so now a completely different Terrorist group is looking to do the same. But of course I must be wrong because you are the open-minded intellectuals and I am just a Red state moron."

No, you're a red state moron because you clearly don't know a damn thing about ETA, But thanks for playing. Now let's see what you could have won...

Do you think Al-Q's success encouraged or discouraged ETA?

What do you mean by their success? Are you one of those people who think that Spain withdrew from Iraq because of the train bombings?

Someone give Programmer Cat a dollar.

RX for terrorism:

aim
shoot
kill

repeat until symptoms (stuff blowing up, innocent people dying) disappear.

More likely, it's the obstinate refusal to believe that terrorists took a hint from AQ that blowing the shiat out of Spain is a tactic that works on the Spanish government

Then why hasn't ETA been successful so far?

"Give a mouse a cookie, he'll want a glass of milk."

Give in to one terrorist group, you'll empower others. This is why the US has a "do not negotiate" rule with terrorists. Otherwise you'll be at the mercy of every PETA nut who can make a pipebomb.

Omega Ohm

Get the hell over it. Spain set a bad example and they're going to pay the price with more bombs. That's what happens when you give in to thugs. Once they've seen you can be pushed over, they'll keep trying to push you over until they get everything they want from you and more.


Wise up. ETA has been bombing Spain for decades. An ETA bomb plot was foiled the week before the Madrid train bombing. The AQ bomb had no effect on ETA's operations.

Omega Ohm

You people are getting beyond rediculous. More likely, it's the obstinate refusal to believe that terrorists took a hint from AQ that blowing the shiat out of Spain is a tactic that works on the Spanish government.

ETA's been setting off bombs in Spain for decades, and has gained very little from doing so.

ikanreed

Spain gave into the al-qaeda demands because they had little real intrest in iraq.

Stop right there. This is how it happened.

1) Spaniards didn't want to go into Iraq.
2) The PM put them there anyway for whatever reason.
3) The opposition candidate campaigned that he would pull Spanish troops out of Iraq.
4) Al-Qaeda bombs trains in Spain
5) Opposition candidate wins, honors campaign pledge to withdraw from Iraq.

The more likely explanation is that Spaniards chose a leader who reflected what they wanted their government to do, and removed one who refused to honor their wishes. Its called accountability to the citizenry and its the very foundation of a functioning self government. Those who claim Spain "caved" need to spend less time on Fark, more time reading Jefferson.

bulldg4life:

So, he's not pointing out the stupid mob mentality of a group of people, when he kenw that they probably wouldn't read the article and see that he was trying to get them to think that way.

I have absolutely no idea of what you are trying to say there, and you seem incapable of grasping what every one is trying to tell you. So I'll leave it there.

I submitted this with the correct headline

/true and also obvious

Another well informed Bush-Neocon supporter spewing unrelated information to reinforce the tragic Bushies administration.

\Oklahoma City weren't Muslims
\\Basque's ain't neither
\\\Grammar Neocons - why do you hate 'Merica?

Christian Bale: "/i...we did more than our fair share especially considering 80% of our population was against ever going anyway"

And you got these numbers where?

Programmer Cat

These idiots think everything that happens in the world has something to do with the USA. This happens when you couple limited scope (read: stupidity) with narcissism.

BobbyJoeBurns

Cool, thanks for the reply. I didn't know that. Unfortunately, the only news of that we got in the good ol' USA was "oh my God, Spain are teh pusseis!" American news features neither context nor scope.

BTW - Just got CNN International on Comcast... love it. Finally some real news about actual important events with no Scott Peterson/Jon Benet/Jacko crap.

palisade_hacker = anarchist without a cause

\aren't they all?

HotWing

So your assertion is that if Spain stayed in Iraq, the ETA would stop bombing stuff?


I think the point is that when one behaves like a push-over, they should expect more pushes.

Since Spain can be counted on to surrender to violence, they naturally should expect their opponents (internal and external) to rachet up the violence.

It worked last time. It WILL work this time. Its just a matter of how much will Spain cede to the terrorists this time, and when will they run out of things to give.

Prior to the 3.11 bombings the ETA was well-known for its warnings and efforts to avoid causing injury to innocents. They would blow up things after giving a warning.

The muslims have shown the true path to Spains throat. Kill some and injure others and they will grant your demands.

Its ok though. They will get used to the taste of licking boots.

ChuckRoddy: This is why the US has a "do not negotiate" rule with terrorists.

Yes, do not negotiate with them, do train/fund them however.

Submitter is either

a) bulldg4life
b) A troll
c) An American

I've never seen so many people miss a point.

The point of the headline (and no, I am NOT the submitter) is that because Spain caved to terrorism, they have encouraged terrorism. Get it? If terrorists blow up some of your people and you therefore give into their demands, then ALL terrorists are going to blow up your people every time they want something. It doesn't have to be the same terrorists. Terrorist Group B says "Hey, Terrorist Group A bombed Spain and Spain gave them what they want. We also want things from Spain, so we should bomb them too."

It's really quite simple.

Of course, it still doesn't make sense from the standpoint that the Basque separatists have been using terrorism since before the Iraq war. But that doesn't mean that Spain's reponse to the al Qaeda terrorists didn't encourage the Basque separatists.

Maybe the submitter should have added a sentence for you all: "... Different terrorists want independence from Spain. Terrorists bomb Madrid." Would that have helped?

You're all jumping on the submitter for making connections aren't there, when it's all of you who are making the false connections. The submitter never said it was the same terrorists. I'm not even sure why you think it has to be the same terrorists.

Oh well.

ETA has been asploding bombs like these for decades. No one was killed or seriously injured. When ETA does actually kill someone, it's usually by accident, or the person killed is a politician.

This isn't news; the occasional ETA bombing is almost a tradition in Spain. No one takes them seriously. The only people who get alarmed are the people that think that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.

Mostly Harmlmess. Go home, nothing to see here.

"Give in to one terrorist group, you'll empower others. This is why the US has a "do not negotiate" rule with terrorists."

Hahahahahahaha! Read a history book.

submitter left out: "Spanish government blames bombing on opposition party"

as in

Spain sends troops to Iraq. Terrorists detonate bomb in Madrid. Spanish government blames bombing on opposition party. Spain changes government, pulls troops from Iraq. Terrorists detonate bomb in Madrid. Spanish government blames bombing on opposition party.

My reaction to the headline was the same as many of the other posters, and I am glad that many people DO realize there is no relation. Of course, we will always have vocal buffoons like "quiefNpea" who really cannot tell their asses from their elbows...... :)

Ahhh, I love the smell of simplistic American dogma in the morning!

joelawyer:

I think the point is that when one behaves like a push-over, they should expect more pushes.

Since Spain can be counted on to surrender to violence, they naturally should expect their opponents (internal and external) to rachet up the violence.

It worked last time. It WILL work this time. Its just a matter of how much will Spain cede to the terrorists this time, and when will they run out of things to give.

Prior to the 3.11 bombings the ETA was well-known for its warnings and efforts to avoid causing injury to innocents. They would blow up things after giving a warning.

The muslims have shown the true path to Spains throat. Kill some and injure others and they will grant your demands.

Its ok though. They will get used to the taste of licking boots.


Assumming, of course, that Spain gave in to the Al-Q. That is a matter up for debate, but the way I see it, Spain would have withdrawn from Iraq with or without the bombings.

Is it odd that I'm listening to "Know Your Enemy" by Rage Against the Machine while I read the thread? Because I find that weird.

And because it's been said eleventy bajillion times: Different asshat terrorist group, submitter. Either you're trying to start a flamewar (in which case, bravo) or just plain stupid.

dukefluke - "No, you're a red state moron because you clearly don't know a damn thing about ETA, But thanks for playing. Now let's see what you could have won..."

Sorry, I didn't realize you are an expert on international terror.
Next time say, "You are the weakest link, goodbye" Now that would be soooo funny. You just dazzle me with your intellect.

Terrorist

adj : characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity"; "terrorist state" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities


Well folks, the people of Spain proved that,in Spain, terrorism works.
The people in the USA and in Iraq proved it doesn't work everywhere. Those bastards just don't seem to be afraid!
(or maybe they understand not to apease monsters)
Where do you think terrorist will use such tactics?

But gosh, the point comes from Fox so there can't be any sense to it.

joelawyer

I think the point is that when one behaves like a push-over, they should expect more pushes.

Since Spain can be counted on to surrender to violence, they naturally should expect their opponents (internal and external) to rachet up the violence.

It worked last time. It WILL work this time. Its just a matter of how much will Spain cede to the terrorists this time, and when will they run out of things to give.


Spain did not give in to ETA's bombing campaigns for decades. Spain did not give in to the AQ bombing either. They elected a party that would honour the wishes of the people, who did not want to be involved in Iraq in the first place. Why do you hate democracy?

Submitter is a farking retard. But, hey, we're all in here arguing because of it, so what does that make us?

Don't blame the submitter, blame the retard that green lighted it.

Chapman Baxter

c) An American

Still have all your teeth, Limey?

While the submitter is way off...

There is something to be said for the premise anyway. Spain clearly demonstrated that it will give in to terrorists if pushed hard enough, so why wouldn't others see that possibility and exploit it?

Jon-Da

Assumming, of course, that Spain gave in to the Al-Q. That is a matter up for debate, but the way I see it, Spain would have withdrawn from Iraq with or without the bombings.


Perhaps.

ETA's former MO: Warn and then bomb, avoid hurting people.

ETA's new MO: Bomb.

Maybe it is unrelated.

Maybe not.

Only the terrorists will ever know for sure, I guess.

Good luck to Spain. I think they will need it.

"Misleading Headline" ... "unfair comparason"





This is what it looks like when ETA attacks.



This is what it looks like when al Qaeda attacks.

spamdog
I think that Al-Q saw Spain's withdraw of troops as a result of the bombing. If that was the reason or not, in Al-Q's eyes it was a success.

ChuckRoddy


Give in to one terrorist group, you'll empower others. This is why the US has a "do not negotiate" rule with terrorists.


Interestingly, Spain has never negotiated with terrorists. The US has.

Cormee: ChuckRoddy: This is why the US has a "do not negotiate" rule with terrorists.


COUGH *IRAN* COUGH...

2005-02-09 10:50:38 AM the_gospel_of_thomas

Isn't that what it looks like when we attack too? OMG!

2005-02-09 10:47:03 AM buttcat

Don't blame the submitter, blame the retard that green lighted it.

/My money says Drew green lighted this just to watch all you people spaz out. Props to Drew.

Captain Obvious

No one could have seen this coming.

Winner.

/think about it

Different terrorists, cretins.

Somehow this thread reminds me of the song "Spanish Bombs" by The Clash.

I don't know what it has to do with anything, here but it's the first thing that came to mind.

I really should get back to work.

Childish headline. VERY childish.

So to sum it up... The WTC attacks happend because the U.S gave in to terrorists.

the_gospel_of_thomas

I'd also imagine it looks the same when the US attack - but bigger.

Your point please ?

the_gospel_of_thomas:

This is what it looks like when ETA attacks.

This is what it looks like when al Qaeda attacks.

Nice pictures.

Except when ETA attacks, usually no one is killed, they spend a couple of hours cleaning up the mess, and everyone goes about their business.

When al Qaeda attacks, they kill thousands of innocent people, bring down the economy of the richest nation on earth, and instigate wars.

Big difference. So yes the headline is misleading, and yes it is an unfair comparison.

Spain sends troops to Iraq. Terrorists detonate bomb in Madrid. Spain changes government, pulls troops from Iraq. Terrorists detonate bomb in Madrid.

Clearly this means that the Spanish need to remove their troops from Spain. The terrorists demand it!

joelawyer:

Perhaps.

ETA's former MO: Warn and then bomb, avoid hurting people.

ETA's new MO: Bomb.

Maybe it is unrelated.

Maybe not.

Only the terrorists will ever know for sure, I guess.

Good luck to Spain. I think they will need it.


I agree, this is where it gets tricky. Now, anytime we do something the terrorists want, they will see it as conceding, whether or not it actually is. Does that mean that we HAVE to go the opposite way of terrorists on every issue? THat means that the US can never leave Iraq, cause thats what they want, and if they do, then teh terrorists win?

No, we cannot allow ourselves to fall into that trap. Terrorists are going to attack. ETA has been attacking Spain for years. It will happen in America again as well, unfortunately. The war on terror, noble though it may be, is inherently going to fail.

joelawyer

from CNN:

A caller claiming to be with ETA warned of the bombing in phone call to the Basque newspaper Gara shortly before 9 a.m. (0800 GMT), the paper's Web site reported. Gara then warned authorities.

Police were clearing the area when the bomb exploded at 9:30 a.m. With no specific information on where the car bomb was located, they performed a broad sweep of the area, Alonso said.

How about we blame both the submitter for being a complete redneck idealogue halfwit, and the person who green-lighted it for sleeping at the wheel?

Well. A flamewar over an issue that doesn't exist. Submitter farks up and hundreds of posts ensue anyway.

I love this place!

chtorran:

The real solution is to attack BOTH sides of the equation: kill existing terrorists, while simultaneously REDUCING the factors that enable terrorist causes to seem attractive to new recruits. Until the Bush administration takes real action on the "R" factor, the war on terrorism will remain unwinnable.



*golf clap* bravo, an intelligent voice.

submitter you ignorant slut, pull your mouth off murdoch's dick and take a look around once in a while.

Imagine how stupid the average person is. Then you need to realize half of them are stupider than that. Then you realize most of that half trolls on Fark...

You morons have to be kidding me when you say that Spain's "caving in" to terrorists has led to more attacks. First of all, ETA has been bombing in Spain for years and they've stood fast against the attacks and the ETA demands. Secondly, the Spanish socialists had campaigned on bringing their troops home from Iraq during their whole election campaigh because the war was so spectacularly unpopular in Spain. It's hardly caving into a terrorist attack to bring troops home after promising to do so for months. But, odds are you morons voted for Bush too, so reasoning with you is pointless...

Binnster -

I hope they enjoy their democracy. I hope that the terrorists let them keep some little part of it.

Maybe if they cede Northern Spain to the ETA the bombing will stop. If not, well there is always Southern Spain to offer. The most important thing is that the Spainish are alive.

Democracy is window-dressing in a society that accomdates intimidation. Franco taught his people well, and they can be counted on to avert their eyes and focus on self-preservation.

war on terror, noble though it may be, is inherently going to fail.

Okay, everyone go home now and don't bother trying to make anything better.

Bravo submitter. Get everyone in here to "know" that they "know" what your intentions were with that headline...classic. I read it once, thought of "same shiat, different day/month/year" and moved right along to other threads. I came back to see why this one was growing so quickly...and it's obvious that everyone in here "knows" more about terrorism than everybody else in the world, including those personally affected.

ZAZ: I like the headline. It is literally true but misleading, just the thing to spoil an oversensitive liberal's morning coffee.

My sentiments exactly.

2005-02-09 10:11:48 AM grizzlydan


Y'all don't get it. It's not the agenda that is the thing. You cave to terrorists, other terrists decide you will give them what THEY want, too, and decide to whack you again. The point is that Spain made a target of themselves when they caved in the first place.


Congratulations!! this is the first person in this forum to get it right. Give one worthless terrorist what he wants, and others will do the same thing to get what they want.

Pro-lifers are borderline terrorists, PeTA, extreme environmentalists etc. If we cave to ANY terrorist group, what is to stop these whackos from becoming full blown terrorist organizations.

still.....I found the headline funny......

/i got the joke

"Where did submitter point out which terrorists did anything? A terrorist is defined as somebody that actively tries to cause terror on a group of people through some means of violence. Did the submitter point out one terrorist over the other in some way that I am unaware?"

Um.. the headline implies a relationship between the events which does not exist. The Basque seperatists don't care about Iraq (at least not explicitly), and therefore pulling troops or sending troops would not cause them to detonate a bomb. However this is what the submitter thought, which is why people are making fun of him/her/it/pork.

A 2nd avenue of thought is that the headline was some kind of political statement criticizing Spain for leaving the 'coalition of the willing', however since the basic premise of the headline is completely wrong, so too is the rhetorical claim.

I'd also like to say that I'm glad that farkers aren't generally teachers.

There is a difference between being stupid and just being uninformed.

It's much more difficult to become informed when you are bombarded with hostile, accusatory posts that just call you names.

Just imagine what school would be like if every time a kid raised his hand or expressed an incorrect assertion the teacher ripped into him and called him "stupid".

So, for anyone interested, treat everyone like they are complete retards and come to fark every day on the little yellow bus. Have patience. Assume they might be uninformed before assuming anyone is stupid.

Or, you know, don't... 'cause flamewars are fun too.

ipsiad "Nice pictures. Except when ETA attacks, usually no one is killed, they spend a couple of hours cleaning up the mess, and everyone goes about their business."

.

ETA has killed more than 800 people since 1968 in its drive for an independent state in Basque areas of northern Spain and south-western France.

.

I know that Eight Hundred people is a low number - unless your mother or father was one of the 800. I am sure that a family member of someone killed in Spain by ETA would love to spit on your face.

It is literally true but misleading

Apply the same logic to Bush's NG service vis a vis Dan Rather.

Or, of course, you could just invade them.
Like Korea.
Or Vietnam.
Or Iraq.

everyone abort this thread will only make you dumber-er

/look at me i'm a DIRTY LITER
//oooooooh noes!
///slash slut?
////etc etc

Somebody set up them the bomb!!!

//Had to be said...

KarmicHoax: Okay, everyone go home now and don't bother trying to make anything better.


Never said to go home. But the way the war is playing out now has to change. like chtorran said, we have to target what CAUSES terrorism recruitment. Anti-Americanism in general. Doing things like invading Iraq probably didnt help much.

What they gotta do is

A) Now that they are in Iraq, make it work. Thats a must, but also pretty unlikely at the moment.
B) Palistinian Israeli peace. We have seen steps towards this recently, hopefully it will continue.
C) Somehow change the perception amungst much of the Islamic world that it is a war against Islam.

and so forth

But these are just my opinions.

Yeah but ETA is so....European. So old school. They always phone it in before so the cops can get everyone out. Then they apologize for the damage. They almost never target a building that can do real damage like a paint warehouse or a gas station. It's such a soft and friendly kind of domestic terrorism. This barely rises to the level of soccer hooliganism. So please ETA, continue your colorful sport right next to the annual tomato festival.

Too-funny.