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2005-02-08 10:36:10 AM  
SchlingFo

Now I agree with that. And to add to your side of the argument, I've seen people who sleep in class every day(though they show up every day as well) get the same grade as people who just dont show up, but still pass only because they were physically there.

Its a new system, though it is working out to an extent.

The main reason it was implimented was there was a huge attendence problem here. Theres a certian day that they have to count all of the students, and they get so much money per student(1-2k I think). But they were losing a lot of money because students weren't showing up. They needed more incentive.

At least once a week I see somebody being led out of the building by an officer due to parole violations(going to class, usually...sometimes drugs too, though).

On the subject of self-discipline, your right. It is seriously lacking. Even on my part, I admit it. Right now I'm supposed to be doing American History work. I am still to a slight extent, but not nearly as much as I should be. But with nobody looking over my shoulder, I spend a lot of time here.

The biggest problem was people not showing up..now they are. Not all of them, but I would say the large majority. Most of the smarter people that always showed up anyways and got good grades are really happy with the system, because it rewards them for doing nothing more than before.

Then theres people like me...I do the bare minimum to pass. Last semester, I passed four classes with a D-. Two others were B-'s(enough to exempt), and the other I failed(algebra..'nuff said). Its a nice reward for me as well, though I dont quite take full advantage of it.
 
2005-02-08 10:37:10 AM  
The state believes they have the right as long as they are using the logic that they can get parents on child abuse for not raising kids "correctly" or that by not attending class the kids are in danger in some mysterious way. However, let's look at this another way - in a city near where I live, they give away 50 25" television sets randomly throughout the first day of class to students who attend school in order to increase first day attendance numbers, which normally hover between 25%-50%. The first year of the giveaways, attendance jumped to 65%-85%. Why not do the giveaway at the end of the year for attendance - as long as you're throwing money around and bribing kids to attend class?
 
2005-02-08 10:37:24 AM  
Too all you people who had bad experiences with authoritarian teachers:

My wife's a teacher. In a good class, she can be friendly to the students and let them do what they want. The problem is if she has a bad class. The fact is that she has to play hard and firm with them from day one like a drill seargeant, because if she doesn't, one of them might figure out that she's bluffing. If a teacher has a class that's out of control, they're pretty well screwed - there's no mechanism of discipline available for a large group. Can't hold the kids after class if they're on special bussing and suspension only works if the parents give a crap - otherwise its just giving the kids a vacation.

So teachers ahve to play hard, because if they give some students in the class an inch, they'll take a mile - and if they take a mile, the teacher can't stop them. And pretty soon, the student will find out how pathetically powerless the teacher really is.

Want to solve the problem? Find out a way to get the students who don't want to be in class into separate rooms from the students who want to learn. And the teachers can't do that - that kind of organisation is outside of their power.
 
2005-02-08 10:37:54 AM  
Its a good thing my wife and I are not parents. If this type of thing happened to us, we would move to another country.

I am a veteren and I did not serve my country to allow the government to start controling EVERY aspect of Americans lives.
 
2005-02-08 10:38:08 AM  
EnormousJuan:

Public Schools may not be the best education, but it helps keep the poor in line.

Is that really the best you can come up with in support of public schools, that it's an effective tool of control?

How many inner-city kids would actually go if it weren't illegal to skip school?

Well, if these kids have been taught respect for the law and go to school because the law says to, why do we care if they go to school or not. They're not going to break the law if they're not in school.

The ones we have to worry about are the ones that aren't going to go to school regardless of what laws are in place.
 
2005-02-08 10:39:02 AM  
Quit hiring career administrators and half-assed politicians to run schools or school districts.

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Huu huu catching breath.

BWAHHAHAHAHAGH!
 
2005-02-08 10:39:20 AM  
Diogenes
Ok i can live with that but do you have any other ideas? Honeslty does anybody have any idea what SHOULD be done then? Post em up lets see what people thiunk should be done (other than mandatory slave labor until 18 as Mr. Clarence Butterworth has already said as much. :P
 
2005-02-08 10:39:33 AM  
People need to learn responsability. A parent is responsable for the upbrigning and education of their child.

Too many parents let their children do as they please, and the rest of the country suffers as a result.

Was this the right approach? Not entirely sure, but it in negligence on the parent's part if they do not know what their kids are doing throughout the day or don't follow through with their responsability to educate their child.

I don't feel like paying for these people to sit on unemployment once they find out that without an education they can't get jobs -- or have grown up to damned lazy to even bother trying. How 'bout the rest of you?
 
2005-02-08 10:39:50 AM  
SchlingFo
I told her that if I was made to repeat senior year that I'd do my best to make the experience a living hell for everyone involved. Yes, I was a ballsy, arrogant little prick, but they graduated me :)

That sounds so much like one my best friend's dad. I've heard plenty of stories about him skipping class and passing football outside of teachers' windows and waving to them, breaking into my aunt's hospital room after visiting hours to hang out, and all sorts of other things. It all came to a head his senior year. He had gotten into a argument with a teacher. The teacher ended up really pissing him off. So my friend's dad punched the teacher right in the face. Needless to say, he got into big trouble and sent to the office. When the principle said the he was going to be expelled, my friend's dad just grinned and said, "Fine. I'll see ya next year." He then walked out of the room and slammed the door, breaking the glass in the window. Let's just say he ended up taking the last several months of his high school classes via correspondence.
 
2005-02-08 10:40:36 AM  
Beerguy
We are grateful to you that you chose not to be a parent.

/sarcasm OFF
 
2005-02-08 10:42:23 AM  
Why didn't this have the "asinine" tag?
 
2005-02-08 10:42:33 AM  
OK.

So, you arrest the parents now for kids not attending school. Previously to that, you started arresting parents for smacking their kids as punishment. Once you stopped them from smacking, you started arresting the parents when the 'little bastiges' started ignoring parental rules and doing things like sneaking out, stealing cars, getting drunk and raising heck. So, you demanded the schools discipline the kids and then you make it so a teacher can't lay a finger on any of the little bastiges. Then you sue the schools for any form of discipline you don't like and sue them for NOT enforcing any discipline you might like.

Then you make darn sure that the kids know they can get ANY adult into a shiat load of trouble by claiming he or she inappropriately touched them. Plus, you make real sure that they know that until age 17, anything criminal they do, short of murder, will get them a slap on the hand.

Toss in the ravenous Children's Rights Groups and you can't do anything to discipline a kid.

When I was in school, many a kid arrived via bus or Maw or Paw and as soon as they drove out of sight, promptly walked off campus to go surfing. However, not too many did this because, back then, once Paw found out, the kid would get paddled and grounded. Plus we had Truant Officers.

Many a kid these days who chooses not to obey his folks isn't going to get punished at all because of the laws and if he chooses to ignore 'time outs' or being grounded, the folks can't do a thing about it.

Granted, there are some parents who just don't care if their kids go to school or not, but their numbers are few. Plus, you have to consider that in today's world, if you want at least a middle class life, both folks have to work.

Then you get assorted rights groups who attack peer organizations like the YMCA, BOYS CLUBS, and BOY SCOUTS, who teach kids right from wrong and you make it harder for them to have anything but 'gangsta rappers' as images to follow.

Not to mention that you let the Religious Minority dictate sex education so kids believe that you can't get diseases from oral sex or are taught such a watered down version that they learn better by experimentation -- if not safetly.
 
2005-02-08 10:42:41 AM  
Thirteen,

With how well you present your argument on here, I don't think you have to worry at all about what kind of grades you're getting in your classes.

If you speak even half as well as you write, and if you can apply your critical thinking skills to areas other than Fark, you'll go far in life :)
 
2005-02-08 10:42:42 AM  
Beerguy
Its a good thing my wife and I are not parents. If this type of thing happened to us, we would move to another country.

Well, if you don't believe it's your responsability to ensure your kids have a good education, then yes, I agree. It is a good thing you arn't parents.
 
2005-02-08 10:42:43 AM  
2005-02-08 09:43:47 AM TCannon

I'd rather have the system arrested. Those kids are gonna learn squat whether they go through the public education system or not.


Yeah, but the schools earn money for each kid that attends. That's why they have their drawers in a wad. They could give two shiats about the kids, all they want is the funding.
 
2005-02-08 10:43:49 AM  
Galvatron Zero


I don't feel like paying for these people to sit on unemployment once they find out that without an education they can't get jobs -- or have grown up to damned lazy to even bother trying. How 'bout the rest of you?


Nor do I. Let the bastards starve or join the army. I see no reason to help strangers who refuse to do anything for themselves, whether they're young or old.
 
2005-02-08 10:43:50 AM  
So.. what happens to the kids. My guess is either they are running the house now that mommy and daddy are in jail or they are in foster care. Either way, doesn't look very good for the kids.....

/If idiots could fly this place would be an airport
 
2005-02-08 10:45:01 AM  
My experience with public school was this:

1. Teachers tried for a year or two.
2. Teachers figure out they get paid the same either way.
3. Teachers quit trying.
4. Teachers burn class time with mindless idiocy.

Hey, let's play musical chairs. Who cares that it is a sophomore world history class? After all, this music was created in the world, and it wasn't made today, so it is historic.
 
2005-02-08 10:45:24 AM  
Grestep:

He had gotten into a argument with a teacher. The teacher ended up really pissing him off. So my friend's dad punched the teacher right in the face.

Oh, I was never that bad.

I just simply didn't enjoy going to school. I could think of a million things that I'd rather do than sit in class and sleep.
 
2005-02-08 10:50:21 AM  
Pxtl:

Can't hold the kids after class if they're on special bussing and suspension only works if the parents give a crap - otherwise its just giving the kids a vacation.

So teachers ahve to play hard, because if they give some students in the class an inch, they'll take a mile - and if they take a mile, the teacher can't stop them. And pretty soon, the student will find out how pathetically powerless the teacher really is.


Here's the solution to that:

Boot them out of class and send them directly to in-school suspension. Boot out every single one that's acting up. If you only have one kid left in the class, all the better. Teach them and give them the attention they deserve for actually behaving.
 
2005-02-08 10:50:52 AM  
SchlingFo

You have no idea. I consider myself one of the smartest people in my school, and a few of my teachers do as well. I just don't apply myself. In my head, D- and A+ give me the same credit towards graduation.

As we speak, I'm at the board of education taking classes online(as opposed to the highschool). To my left is a guy who got kicked out of school for having a knife and threatening somebody with it, to my right is a girl thats pregnant.

Yet a lot of my teachers think I'm one of the smartest....

Like I said, the system works = )

And yeah, I dont worry about my grades. Passing is passing.
 
2005-02-08 10:50:57 AM  
So to everyone in this thread that never finished school...

what are you doing for a living?
 
2005-02-08 10:53:23 AM  
I'm not being sarcastic, this is a real question. Does anyone have any literacy and delinquency stats from around 60 years ago when black children were openly discriminated against in education?I can't think of anything more ironic than to learn black children were getting a better education from total bigot psycho politicians than their getting from these "enlightened" people.
 
2005-02-08 10:53:57 AM  
Galvatron Zero:

Well, if you don't believe it's your responsability to ensure your kids have a good education, then yes, I agree. It is a good thing you arn't parents.

That's completely true.

However, I don't believe it should be a legal mandate that parents ensure their kids have a good education.

First, it's not requisite to a person's survival. A person can work construction, McDick's, or dig ditches with no education and support themselves.

Secondly, who determines what constitutes a "good education"? Public school, in my opinion, is not a good education. Public school is, generally, shiat education. Good education is generally found more at private schools, where you have to pay out the nose. Should it be legally required that parents pay to send their kids to private school?
 
2005-02-08 10:54:53 AM  
When I was a kid, I would have skipped just to see momma in handcuffs.
 
2005-02-08 10:56:23 AM  
SchlingFo
I just simply didn't enjoy going to school. I could think of a million things that I'd rather do than sit in class and sleep.

Amen. If I was at home right now, I would probably be messing with either Unreal Ed, Upaint, or the Elder Scrolls Construction Set.

I do sit around and play games a lot, but I also learn the editor for every game that makes it available. I love it. Or maybe I would be cooking something. I sorta like to cook too. Or, more likely, me and my dad would be heading out to a computer store. Microcenter or something.

Even watching the Discovery Channel. I hate all those new construction shows(biker buildoff, etc.). Show me a documentary on the snakes of Australia any day. Something that might not be useful in the immediate future, but what the hell--its interesting.
 
2005-02-08 10:57:05 AM  
My brother in law is 17, bipolar, and will not go to school. No matter what his parents say or do to try to get him to go, he wont. He just does not care. He tells them to f off and leave him alone. They are at their wits' end and don't know what to do. If they told him that they were going to get arrested because he's not going to school, he would probably think that they deserve it and find it amusing. They can't get him to take his meds so he thinks everyone else has the problem. They are incredibly caring and bend over backwards for their kids, but he just thinks of himself. I think that they're just waiting for him to move out. Of course, he wants them to buy him a car and give him money to move out.
 
2005-02-08 10:57:41 AM  
Galvatron Zero

So to everyone in this thread that never finished school...

what are you doing for a living?


I have quite a bit of education, from certifications in electronic repair to a bachelor's degree in Chemistry.

I deliver pizza part-time. It pays the bills, and I have a lot of time off to relax, work out, play video games, and hang out with my friends.

All in all, I'm loving life right now :)
 
2005-02-08 10:57:51 AM  
ForrestRump
I say whip 'em now while we still can.

I agree, except the "them" we should be whipping are the parents, not the kids. Kids are dumbasses to begin with--they don't know any better unless someone teaches them responsibility. That's the parents' duty, which in this case they've failed miserably. I say we drag these worthless excuses for parents down to the town square and give 'em a right good flogging.
 
2005-02-08 10:58:27 AM  
I couldn't stand school. Especially high school. I didn't run with the "cool" crowd and disliked my studies because very few teachers were interested in answering questions. I didn't develop any huge complex about it because I realized that high school was a temporary situation, and the "real world knowledge" you got in small doses (health class, civics) was usually outdated and incomplete.

I remember my algebra teacher threw me out because I asked her what the point of learning square roots was when we should be learning stuff like how to calculate annuities or coming up with a personal living budget. The Vice Principal asked me if I had a problem with algebra, and I told him, no, but I have a problem with useless knowledge in terms of my life. I was poor in math, anyway, so I just told them to stick me in a course where I could get graduation credits. I didn't plan on going to college, anyway.

School was a drag, but something that had to be gotten through before moving onto something else.
 
2005-02-08 10:59:09 AM  
However, I don't believe it should be a legal mandate that parents ensure their kids have a good education.

So instead, let the children suffer because there is no incentive for parents to take responsability for their children?

First, it's not requisite to a person's survival. A person can work construction, McDick's, or dig ditches with no education and support themselves.

It's increadibly hard to live off of minimum wage these days. Why not strive for more? What happened to aspirations?

There's something to be said about being in your mid 20's and having a house and car all your own.

Secondly, who determines what constitutes a "good education"? Public school, in my opinion, is not a good education. Public school is, generally, shiat education. Good education is generally found more at private schools, where you have to pay out the nose. Should it be legally required that parents pay to send their kids to private school?

The public school system is a stepping stone. There's college, University, trade school -- all of which build upon the basic principles you would have learned in the public school system. Yes, I too feel that the public school system has gone down the tubes, but why make it a choice between an education and no education?

With proper motivation, anyone can take what education system they have and turn it into something worthwhile. It only takes a bit of self-discipline. Something parents can teach their kids if they took the slightest bit of effort to do so.
 
2005-02-08 10:59:20 AM  
Galvatron Zero

So to everyone in this thread that never finished school...

what are you doing for a living?


I dropped out of college and work as a programmer/DBA/Unix guru. I take orders from a bitter old biatch who brags about having never attended high school.
 
2005-02-08 10:59:37 AM  
Ok, then what would you all say is the cause of this decline? If it is not the fear of authority, then what is it?

To those who say that that society would not crumble w/o a God of any type are wrong. Yes, there are a SMALL minority of people worldwide who do not believe in any Diety. If we, yes I did say we, were in the Majority then the people who believed would be persecuted. Society as we know it would be gone forever. There are certainly people who behave within a certain set of rules. Rules that if broken could mean an eternity of suffering. Quite the motivator, don't you think? When I was in School the rules were not broken as frequently because they(kids) knew of or heard of the Principals paddle. It even had a name. Pain. Back then you not only got spanked at school but you got more from Mommy or Daddy when you got home. That and that alone kept the majority of the kids in line. If you say no, then kindly explain what did?

I also feel technology has a hand in this as well. The further we develop our technologies, the less and less parents have to do. Where kids used to come home and spend time with the family they now turn to their PS2. Mothers would stay home and cook, now they have jobs- since competing with men in the job market is far more important than raising their kids. No, I am not a chauvinist. Women can do everything men can do and I have no problem with that. But where do the kids fit in their parents busy schedule anymore? For every soccer mom there are 4 who leave it to the TV to raise their kids, and 2 others who are worthless to society or their family for that matter. There are some who continue to crank out kids to increase their welfare benefit. These women were produced in a society who were then and are now afraid to properly discipline their offspring. The men are no better. We see more and more men leave when they find out their lover is pregnant, forcing them to either scrape by for life or do things that are deemed innapropraite to survive. Who really cares in all of this? Oprah? I doubt it. We, as a society, only care when it directly affects us. When one of these bastard kids steals from you, or rapes your daughter, or gives your child crack- then you care. If it doesn't affect you then it is just another in a long line of soundbites on the evening news. We are in bad shape and it is not going to get any better. So maybe beating the shiat out of them isn't the answer. if not a beating then what? I certainly have no ideas.
 
2005-02-08 11:01:31 AM  
bwesb:

Fark 'em. Life is about choices and a student has the right to fail. If they want to live whatever life they choose instead of trying to get an education then why should a Detroit taxpayer have to foot the bill?


Why should a taxpayer have to foot the bill?
Let's see...you can foot the bill now or foot the bill later when they have committed far worse crimes than skipping school. You'll be footing the bill when they are in jail or popping out kids one by one just to get those welfare checks. You've been paying for a lot of those kids who have a "right to fail" already, you've just never thought of it that way.

The bottom line IS parental responsibility. YOU are the parent, make the kids go to school. No one else is responsible for the way your child was raised, you are. Get involved in their lives and act like you care. Don't pop them in front of the TV, DVD player, game console or computer and use that as a babysitter... Actually get out and learn what your kids are into, get involved in their life and pay attention to them (most problems can be spotted by a parent just by doing these two things). It is the only solution that matters. Until people start acting responsible for the children they bring in this world again, we as tax payers will be paying for the mistakes they make in the long run anyway.

I'm sick and tired of people acting as if they have no responsiblity in the lives of their children... "My baby wouldn't do that", "I'll pay the fine, you did nothing wrong"...blah, blah, blah. Make them pay up for their mistakes instead of acting as if they can do nothing wrong. Punish them when they have and stick by it. There are ways of making your kids understand you won't tolerate the BS without resorting to beatings. I know when my mother called me by first and last name (or gave me that look...you know the one), she didn't need to say more...I already knew I was in big trouble and would have a lot of making up to do for whatever it was I did.
 
2005-02-08 11:02:57 AM  
Brockway:
"My experience with public school was this:

1. Teachers tried for a year or two.
2. Teachers figure out they get paid the same either way.
3. Teachers quit trying.
4. Teachers burn class time with mindless idiocy."

Where did you go to school? Where I went to school, teachers who didn't try didn't get paid, they got fired.

karenann:
As well as the "parents were lead away in handcuffs" line, there's a quote near the end where the individual says "it is just not sunk in yet that . . . " Shouldn't that be "it HAS just not sunk in yet"?

Anyone writing a newspaper article about the education system needs a copy editor who does more than hit spellcheck.
 
2005-02-08 11:03:14 AM  
But SchlingFo... you did get an education ;)

Sure school seems to teach you a lot of stuff you'll never need... but if you're not given the opportunity to experience different aspects of the outside world, you'll never know what you might like. Some people excel at Math, some at English, some at Home Economics. But if you never tried them, you'd never know.

There will always be things in life that are difficult and hard to grasp. If you always turned away from them, you wouldn't accomplish mutch.
 
2005-02-08 11:03:26 AM  
The_Other_White_Boy
If parents start monitoring their children and insisting they get an education then Fark may very well go the way of the dinosaurs, the 8-track and the democratic party.

Wait, you're saying my 8-track of Barney Sings Your Favorite Democratic Showtunes is somehow out of date?

/wears paisley shirts like they're going out of style.
 
2005-02-08 11:03:38 AM  
I know a few people that have dropped out of highschool and are doing okay now. Minimum wage, living in an apartment with 4 other people, squeeking by.

In comparison, my sister just graduated from college with a major in archeology--and is making minimum wage bagging groceries, living in a house with 4 other people, just squeeking by.

Education doesn't gaurntee anything, though it definatly does help out.
 
2005-02-08 11:03:56 AM  
ForrestRump

To those who say that that society would not crumble w/o a God of any type are wrong.

I didn't say society wouldn't crumble if God was exorcised. I said that the fear of God was the only thing holding society together, then society deserves to crumble. I don't need your God. I have something better to inspire me to virtue. It's called PRIDE. Read some Aristotle.
 
2005-02-08 11:03:57 AM  
Jsimmons38040 - "You can read! the system works!"

What is that from? I just saw it the other day but now i can't remember what it was from and it is driving me nuts

Help
 
2005-02-08 11:05:48 AM  
doubleagent99

Theres actually a shortage of teachers here. They have hired underqualified teachers for years now, just because there is nobody else.
 
2005-02-08 11:05:50 AM  
Again... Programmer Cat you had a High School Education.

As for the older biatch, times have changed. Nowadays, no High School is a huge obstacle. She, however, would have had at least work experience from back when jobs were a bit more plentiful.
 
2005-02-08 11:06:11 AM  
Great. Just farking great. So it's come to the point where we have decided that the state knows better what a child needs than their parents. Just to prove it we'll lock up anyone who doesn't agree with the state. Wonderful.

My daughter attends public school. A Federal Blue Ribbon elementary school meaning that it has been singled out for academic excellence. Only a handful of these schools exist in my state. She has so far outpaced her peers that they put her in the next grade for most of her classes. She learns 10x more at home than she does at school. We taught her to read as soon as possible and she reads books like they're cookies. Works very well.

So I pay my taxes and send her to public school. Her biggest problem at school are the children that hold back the rest of the class. There are 20% above the learning level, 30% in the middle of where they should be, and 50% below where they should be.

My wife volunteers at that same school. they have about 3 volunteers per class. They spend all their time trying to make the kids who get no help from their parents to meet the minimum requirements for their grade level.

We spend most of our time and effort at public schools trying to educate children that show little promise. Sure, there may be a bright spot every 10 kids or so but we are spending this effort while sacrificing the children that are showing promise.

No child left behind? Why shouldn't we leave some children behind? We will always need car mechanics, janitors, waitresses, and other jobs that require very little education. Why should we spend so much effort trying to bring them to the same level as our children that show promise to be the inventors and leaders?

I propose we split schools into 3 tiers, Special Education (low), Education (normal), and Advanced Placement(High). We're already doing it through the use of public schools, institution, and private schools. Let's just make it official. You get evaluated and placed after kindergarden and you can always fall back a school.

The Special Education schools realize that the children that are there do not have to learn as much so high rates of absenteeism can be tolerated and expected as they need to help at home or their parents can't get them to school.

We continually present individualism as something to strive for yet we herd children through school expecting all of them to be the same with the same social conditions. What a bunch of dummies our governments are.

And they get to arrest us.
 
2005-02-08 11:06:51 AM  
In comparison, my sister just graduated from college with a major in archeology--and is making minimum wage bagging groceries, living in a house with 4 other people, just squeeking by.

Education doesn't gaurntee anything, though it definatly does help out.


Well, education helps if your education is in something, ya know, useful. I have lots of friends who were archeology and/or antropology majors in college. They're all in radically different lines of work now--or back in school.
Simply going to college and earning a double major in French Renaissance poetry/Early Indo-Chinese Art Interpretation does *not* guarantee that you will be marketable when you get out.
 
2005-02-08 11:07:16 AM  
2005-02-08 10:33:07 AM bwesb


I wholeheartedly agree with you. I've spent the last year teaching my son how to learn, how to study, how to organize his thoughts so he can do better in school and appreciate his own abilities. It's paying off in his grades, his attitude, and his independence. Your kids have to want to learn.
 
2005-02-08 11:08:58 AM  
Thirteen -- good point.

I know a few people with degrees that work at call centers or don't work at all.

One's lazy though. Looking for the "dream job" but not willing to settle for anything else (and therefore has no work experience).

Still, on average, you'd be suprised what an education can get you. It's nice to be able to have nice things, to be able to do things, travel, and know that my retirement will be taken care of. There's a great deal of self satisfaction to be had.
 
2005-02-08 11:09:34 AM  
SchlingFo
First, it's not requisite to a person's survival. A person can work construction, McDick's, or dig ditches with no education and support themse

good luck to anyone trying to work construction without education.
 
2005-02-08 11:11:06 AM  
i cannot close bold tags it appears
 
2005-02-08 11:11:30 AM  
Galvatron Zero:

So instead, let the children suffer because there is no incentive for parents to take responsability for their children?

I don't like these shiat-ass parents any more than you do.

However, I look at history and see that every time you give the government an inch of authority, they take a mile of power.

If you vote to give the government the power to legally mandate that parents give their children quality education today, do so expecting that the government will legally mandate you to give your children a quality doctoral education 15-20 years down the road.

I can't think of one instance where the government has not abused the authority it's been given, often making the situation worse than it was before.

It's increadibly hard to live off of minimum wage these days. Why not strive for more? What happened to aspirations?

Once again, I agree with you. People should aspire to more than just the bare minimum. But, it shouldn't be a legal mandate. The government should not have the power to force people to strive for more than just the bare minimum.

There's something to be said about being in your mid 20's and having a house and car all your own.

I have my own car, but I'm too transitory for a house. I'll have been in my current apartment for about four months by the time I move. My last apartment, I was there for six months.

The public school system is a stepping stone. There's college, University, trade school -- all of which build upon the basic principles you would have learned in the public school system. Yes, I too feel that the public school system has gone down the tubes, but why make it a choice between an education and no education?

Because I'm all about the idea of people being able to make choices, good and bad. I believe that parents should only be responsible for providing for the basic health, nutrition, clothing, and shelter of their kids. Anything above and beyond that should be the parent's choice.
 
2005-02-08 11:12:06 AM  
My kid starts kindergarden next year and I don't think he will like it. He already knows his abc's, how to count, add single digit numbers, some subtraction, use a computer, etc. I figure if we don't work with him any and leave him alone in school, he will dumb right down to the rest of the kids by the time he is in the 5th grade. Oh, to dream.

We all are screaming "Big Brother", school sucks, but it is the parents and the whole PC BS that SUCKs. When I was a kid we had time out punishment, it was that time when you were crying and you couldn't catch your breath. That was time out.
 
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