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(Yahoo) NewsFlash Israel and Palestine officially declare a cease fire. Place your bets on how long this lasts   (story.news.yahoo.com) divider line 353
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2005-02-07 02:42:57 PM  

/amazed to be the Weeners this
 
2005-02-07 02:43:06 PM  
I give it just shy of 3 and a half years - say, 1420 days?
 
2005-02-07 02:43:28 PM  
JC Superstar wins the "Proud to Watch the Jews be Slaughtered!" award for the thread...
 
2005-02-07 02:44:03 PM  
And of course, now that there is a peace, the settlement movement will accelerate landgrabs and illegal settlement building as fast as they possibly can. And in turn, this will agitate the Palestinians. And in turn, somewhere the powder keg will explode again.

All instability in the middle east can be traced back to idiots in the West Bank and Gaza whom think god is a real estate agent.
 
2005-02-07 02:44:23 PM  
Clam Bam,

Your analogy only makes sense if you assume that RI is being funded by a power much greater than Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and California combined. You'd also have to assume that RI was creted by taking land, without permission, from Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, and New Hampshire.

Without US help, Israel would have gotten nowhere. I say, let's let them stew.
 
2005-02-07 02:45:04 PM  


Any questions?
 
2005-02-07 02:45:55 PM  
What about the prohibition on using civilians as human shields?

The IDF routinely uses Palestinian civilians as human shields. B'tselem has a detailed report about it, complete with pictures.

That said, violations of the Geneva Conventions by Israel does not justify violations by Palestinians. Likewise, violations committed by Palestinians does not justify violations by Israel. Can't you see that it is two groups of murderers with a whole bunch of innocent people on both sides caught in the middle.

Americans are rather simple-minded and always think everything is a battle between good and evil. Well sometimes evil battles another evil at the expense of innocent people everywhere.
 
2005-02-07 02:49:05 PM  
RockIsDead --
The Palestinians would be better off, economically, if they compromised and reached a peace instead of continuing to provoke the Israelis into sealing off the borders and limiting travel between their cities. The current intifada and the resulting crackdown has been incredibly bad for the Palestinian economy.
 
2005-02-07 02:50:01 PM  

All instability in the middle east can be traced back to idiots in the West Bank and Gaza whom think god is a real estate agent.

moops

So how do you explain the instability that was in the Middle East when the West bank and Gaza were occupied by Jordan and Egypt? (Not that anybody called it "occupation" then; actually, those territories were annexed by those countries. Of course, no citizenship to the most Palestinians who lived there).

Not that I don't agree that the WB/G settlers are basically thugs. But Israel fought wars, and the Palestinian lived under Arab regimes long before the Jewish settlers moved into the picture
 
2005-02-07 02:50:08 PM  
Peace in the holy land ...

I give it 40 days and 40 nights ...

...or forty minutes
 
2005-02-07 02:51:11 PM  
DasWiggy: That's entirely unfair to him. It's ridiculous to say that if you don't support Israel, or don't think the US should be involved, then you must enjoy watching Jews get killed. I mean, thousands of innocent people die every year in situations much more clear cut (good vs. bad) than the one in Israel. I don't see you clamoring for US involvement in Angola, etc.
 
2005-02-07 02:51:49 PM  

Without US help, Israel would have gotten nowhere


The country was founded in 1948 without US help. US help came much later in the picture.... late '60s actually.
 
2005-02-07 02:51:54 PM  
heliosc
It's ridiculous to say

this is the first time you've conversed with the wiggster, eh?

strap yourself in. he's just getting warmed up.
 
2005-02-07 02:52:50 PM  
Is it done yet?
 
2005-02-07 02:53:09 PM  
 
2005-02-07 02:53:13 PM  
Um. Take your own advice and read the Geneva Conventions. See who it exactly applies to during war.

The Geneva Conventions apply to everyone. The Conventions classify all human beings into two major groups: combatants and civilians. Both are protected under the Geneva Conventions.
 
2005-02-07 02:53:50 PM  

I bet 1 pack of Extra bubble gum that it will work.
 
2005-02-07 02:54:09 PM  
Korovyov: The Palestinians would be better off, economically, if they compromised and reached a peace instead of continuing to provoke the Israelis into sealing off the borders and limiting travel between their cities.

But that's when game theory comes to bite you in the ass. Ideally, yes, Palestinians and Israelis would both be better off if they just cooperated. But because cooperation is only useful if both parties do it, and in the presence of cooperation, both parties have incentives to not cooperate (land-grabs, etc), the steady-state of the situation is non-cooperation.
 
2005-02-07 02:55:46 PM  
The country was founded in 1948 without US help.

Without US help, but with the backing of Great Britain. Israel has, for nearly all its history, been backed up by a major world power.
 
2005-02-07 02:56:50 PM  
Das Wiggly,

I resent you assertion that my opposition to Israel has anything to do with the fact that the residents are predominently Jewish. People who try to equate disagreement with Israel with Antisemitism just make themselves look like idiots.
 
2005-02-07 02:56:53 PM  
how long does it take to reload another suicide bomber? that's how long the peace will last.....

/shakes head in shame
 
2005-02-07 02:57:02 PM  
The country was founded in 1948 without US help. US help came much later in the picture.... late '60s actually.

Try again. The USA actually cast the deciding vote on Resolution 181. Britain actually abstained because of all the terrorist attacks committed by zionists, including the bombing of the King David Hotel.
 
2005-02-07 02:57:07 PM  
Arafat is rolling in his grave.
 
2005-02-07 02:58:41 PM  
There is no "Palestine" unless you want to consider the greater trans-Jordan-Isreal area.

jokepro, read it again.
 
2005-02-07 03:01:38 PM  
i got $5 on it lasting 3 weeks
 
2005-02-07 03:07:27 PM  
You start a war with someone and they kick your ass and take some land, that's pretty fair.

Can't keep whining about it years later. They farked up, shouldn't have started a war.

And when other countries/states who weren't Israel were taking pieces of the area, the "Palestinians" didn't have so much of a problem.

Anyway, you start a war and lose. You lose.
 
2005-02-07 03:07:41 PM  
jokepro


Try again. The USA actually cast the deciding vote on Resolution 181


No, you try again.

1) I was talking about financial aid. Many countries voted on the partition plan.

2) But if you are talking about the 181 The vote was for the formation of two states, not one. Guess which community accepted the UN resolution, and who fired shots at a civilian bus to Netanyah and vowed a "war of total annihilation" on the night of 11/29/1947?

3) The US put its vote in only after it realized the Soviet Union would vote pro-partition anyway, which clinched the vote. Losing a UNGA vote by opposing the USSR was not a good idea.
 
2005-02-07 03:11:47 PM  
heliosc

Without US help, but with the backing of Great Britain


FYI, the UK abstained on 181. Also, the UK set a tough immigration policy against Jews, to appease the Arabs. Jewish refugees had to sit in DP camps in Europe for 3 years, until they finally managed to immigrate to Israel.

True the UK initialted tha balfour decleration. But once it realized there are more Arabs than Jews, and arabs have more oil, it's policy in the mideast was that of appeasing the Arab world, and doing as much as piossible to curnb the formation of a Jewish state.
 
2005-02-07 03:15:08 PM  
shipud
True the UK initialted tha balfour declaration. But once it realized there are more Arabs than Jews, and arabs have more oil, it's policy in the mideast was that of appeasing the Arab world, and doing as much as possible to curb the formation of a Jewish state.

Actually we tried to renege because declaring it meant that we dragged the US into WW1. After WW1 the world was a different place, the Ottoman Empire was defunct and so we had to reorganize the middle east - we could do without a bunch of zionist psychos planting a flag on temple mount and starting an anti-western revolution.
 
2005-02-07 03:15:12 PM  
There is no OiL in Israel or Palestine.

Stop worring too much about them.
 
2005-02-07 03:15:24 PM  
DawWiggy said "Apparently, Rachael Corrie's skull wasn't QUITE thick enough to disable that Israeli bulldozer tread as it rolled over her"

I say- you are a farking idiot, regardless of whether Israelis or Palestinians are in the right
 
2005-02-07 03:18:32 PM  

we could do without a bunch of zionist psychos planting a flag on temple mount and starting an anti-western revolution>/i>

And those two events happened in what alternative universe?

The UK was pretty quick to enlist Israel as its ally against Nasser in 1956....
 
2005-02-07 03:20:20 PM  
Yodas ugly brother




Actually we tried to renege because declaring it meant that we dragged the US into WW1.


Would love to hear you explain the Tinfoil Rube Goldberg's chain of events that led you to that conclusion....
 
2005-02-07 03:21:15 PM  
This hudna will last until the next "martyr" will vaporize him/herself in a bar/bus/checkpoint. In other words, it will last as long as it remains convenient to Hamas. Remember Hamas? Landslide win in the Palestinian elections (AFP) ? Run the Jews into the sea? Establish an Islamic state in Israel's place? That Hamas? As long as an organisation like that exists and is in power, what chance of peace is there? I'm sorry if I come off as a pessimist, but it's hard to ignore the facts.
 
2005-02-07 03:22:38 PM  
Guess which community accepted the UN resolution, and who fired shots at a civilian bus to Netanyah and vowed a "war of total annihilation" on the night of 11/29/1947?

The resolution was rejected by the Arab world, not the Palestinians. Newly created Israel was attacked by its Arab neighbors, not the Palestinians. They were too busy fleeing from armed zionists that were going door to door killing anyone that didn't surrender their homes willingly. Certainly the Palestinians would have resisted if they had the means, but they didn't.

Long before 1947, Palestinians were being removed from their homes by force. After the resolution passed, the zionists started an all out assault on the Palestinian people. Thousands were murdered and hundreds of thousands were forced from their homes.

There are 3 million Palestinians refugees with a legal right of return. Until Israel abides by UN resolutions, and allows the refugees to return, they will remain a rogue nation.

Imagine if Alabama forced all the blacks out of the state and then held an election. Would that be a democratic election. As long as Israel refuses to allow the refugees to return, as mandated by the UN, they will remain a sham of a democracy.
 
2005-02-07 03:24:06 PM  
KarmicHoax,

Damn right. DAMN right.

How is it we differ on nearly every tenet you mention in your profile (except being cynical) but we watch the same TV shows? That's cool.
 
2005-02-07 03:25:24 PM  
Of course, Bush has absolutely nothing to do with the declaration of cease fire. But, as soon as it falls apart, the liberals will cry and whine about how it's all his fault.
 
2005-02-07 03:30:29 PM  
Yep, about 3.5 years (1420 days) sounds about right.


...always knew Bush was the anti-Christ
 
2005-02-07 03:33:18 PM  
This will go down like it always does: Just before Sharon and Abbas meet, Hamas will send a terrorbot to kill some Jews, and the media will speak endlessly of how Israel once again put the peace process in jeopardy by responding, instead of showing restraint.

Until Palestinians live in a free society, there will never be peace in the Middle East.
 
2005-02-07 03:34:02 PM  
I believe that jews are the future, teach them well, and let them lead the way. show them all the beauty they posses inside.

/I ran outta stuff to say on this subject.
//hope it works, I think it wont, hope it does, but it probably wont
 
2005-02-07 03:37:49 PM  
What about the historic July 1921 Dublin peace agreement between de Valera and David Lloyd George...

Since then there has never ever been ANY violence in Ireland over the British occupation.

/note the farking sarcasm you bastards
 
2005-02-07 03:40:05 PM  
Until Palestinians live in a free society, there will never be peace in the Middle East.

As long as Palestinians are living under occupation, there will never be peace in the Middle East.
 
2005-02-07 03:41:49 PM  
jokepro


The resolution was rejected by the Arab world, not the Palestinians


Please look up The Mufti of Jerusalem with relation to my quote. 181 was definitely rejected by the Palestinians, as well as the Arab world.


Long before 1947, Palestinians were being removed from their homes by force.


By who? The Brits? They were the sovereign after all. Or was there a Zionist/UK conspiracy? If so, it did not manifest itself in the Bevin/Churchill White Paper policies, which were explicitly pro-Arab. Are you intentionally lying, or just misinformed?


There are 3 million Palestinians refugees with a legal right of return. Until Israel abides by UN resolutions, and allows the refugees to return, they will remain a rogue nation


"Rogue nation": Israel is a member of countless European trade, science and culture and sports organizations. It is a heavy scientific and industrial R&D collaborator with the US, UK, Canada, and some 100 nations. The US, EU and the Far East (esp. HK and China) are its major trading partners, with 30$m f.o.b. exports, and 32$m imports. It has diplomatic relations with some 80 countries.

How exactly do you define a "rogue" nation?

And Israel is not about to commit suicide by letting 3,000,000 Palestinians who reject its right to exist into its borders. How about the Arab countries accepting 800,000 Jews (and their descendants... comes to 2,000,000 or so) as per your reasoning? Along your lines of reasoning, the US should let the descendants of the Californios back in.


The Palestininas can go back to their own state, once they are smart enough to stop destroying Israel, and channeling their energy to forming it.
 
2005-02-07 03:42:21 PM  
Hamas has a lot of credibility among the poorer Palestinian crowd. They actually do a lot of community service and stuff to keep people's respect and interest in their "valiant fight for independance."
Abbas cannot have THAT strong a hold on Hamas yet. It may be a truce between the official leadership of Palestine, but if it doesn't mean squat to Hamas, what's to stop them from stirring things up a bit?

I give it three weeks, tops.
 
2005-02-07 03:44:22 PM  
jokepro:

As long as Palestinians are living under occupation, there will never be peace in the Middle East

The fact is that the same terrorism existed before the occupation. Before 67', By the same people.

There will never be peace in the Middle East as long as the arabs refuse to recognize Israel's existance.
 
2005-02-07 03:44:37 PM  
How exactly do you define a "rogue" nation?

One that continually defies UN resolutions.
 
2005-02-07 03:48:42 PM  
jokepro: One that continually defies UN resolutions.


Resolutions passed by the same countries trying for half a century to destroy Israel ? Resolutions that basically criticize Israel's actions to defend itself ?
 
2005-02-07 03:50:13 PM  
>jokepro


One that continually defies UN resolutions.


You mean those initiated and passed by countries commited to its destruction?

Anyhow, Israel enjoys excellent diplomatic status with most countries, and certainly does not think of itself, or thought of as a "rogue" nation, except by people like you.

/ Oh, THAT UN. The one which had Sudan and Iraq chair its human rights committees...
 
2005-02-07 03:53:31 PM  
2005-02-07 03:44:37 PM jokepro

One that continually defies UN resolutions.


You mean all those binding resolutions Israel is not obeying? Oh, wait, none of those exist. You must be talking about all the non-binding resolutions passed by majority vote of Muslim nations.

Israel doesnt obey non-binding resolutions passed by nations who do not recognize her existence? I wonder why.
 
2005-02-07 03:56:27 PM  
jokepro:

You need to study the history of the region. Palestinian Arabs have never lived in a free society. The dictatorial nature of Palestinian/Arab society has nothing to do with Israel, or the so-called "occupation". I say so-called because Gaza, Judea and Samaria are not sovereign territories. They are disputed territories. Not to mention, Israel is only present in 15% of these areas, while the PA fully controls the remaining 85%. Furthermore, Israel would not be in any of these territories were it not for wars caused by Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon.

Ever wonder why there was no "Palestinian cause" when Jordan "occupied" the West Bank and Egypt "occupied" Gaza? It is obvious that when Palestinians speak of occupation, they are referring to Israel proper, and not the 3 territories they refused to accept as their own state, in 2000.
 
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