It's dead, Jim.

/had to be said.

Sci Fi. Characters. Violence. Special effects. Plot. Hot chicks. Emotion. Humor.

(Cancelled.)

/begs Fox or some network to bring back Firefly

half of me is sad that there will be no more t'pol titties.

half of me is happy that t'pol titties are now one step closer to being featured in penthouse.

As a Star Trek fan, I have to say...THANK GOD.

Where are teh NSFW links for the female crew?

/post 'em dammit!

I'll throw in. Ignore at your leasure.

I thought Enterpise was ok. Like many shows, it answered the clue phone far too late to recover. Sadly, I thought this season was easily its best. I too lay the blame squarely at the producers' feet. The only things longer in the tooth than these guys died in the Pleistocene period. Their work on Voyager was so mind numbingly bad that it broke the 4th dimension and infected everything that came before and after it with its creative putrescence. Its precedence of awfulness befouled the show that came after it, and tarnished all the decent Trek that came before it.

The primary reason for its decent into dreadfulness is the deathgrip with which Paramount held the Trek license. *NO ONE* was allowed to "tamper" with established details of the Trek universe. Any stories of significance had to be either generated in house by the creatively-aged sabertooth writers or immasculated to meet with their approval. In short: "no one can write it but us, and we're out of fresh ideas." This led to borderline-insipid stories at best and, something I noticed happen with Voyager that continued into Enterpise, the homogenizing of the characters. This, I believe, is their biggest creative mistake. During each show's pilot, we go to great lengths to display the clever diversity we've carefully (read: "ham-handedly") woven into each character, then we spend the rest of the series making most (note the qualifier) characters interchangable with each other because writing to accomodate the shortcomings we've also woven into each character is just too difficult. By the end of Voyager, you could have swapped any two characters in about any storyline and it would have run just as smoothly. That kind of cop-out writing is shameful. Enterprise followed that same pattern.

I'm sad. Sad because Enterprise was a concept I thought of many years before Paramount did: Earth exploring space in the pre-original series era, when space was still a dangerous place to even venture. Enterpise did not become the show I conceived though.... it became Voyager with lower lights.

I went out of my way to help the "Save Farscape" campaign, because it deserved it. I probably won't with "Save Enterprise."

I liked Enterprise. It had a way better start than TNG which spent the first couple of seasons as a complete rip off of TOS. I do however agree that they need to Get rid of Braga and Berman. After the creation of DS9 you would have thought that they would have been let go. I did like some of Voyager but I think Enterprise was the best attempt at weekly star trek since the cartoon version of TOSin the early 1970's. Shatner et al but Conieg (sp) did the voices and Shatner did not over do his voice.

Excellent news! I thought after SOMEHOW managing to stick with Star Trek after First Contact (Borg Queen, my ass) and through all seven putrid seasons of Voyager, I'd be able to stick with Enterprise. But not long after the start of the third season I couldn't take it anymore. Berman and Braga should be shot.

My biggest complaint about the star trek world is how the ships are so clean and tidy all the time. The battle sequences are always the same too. One ship fires and the other returns fire, there is absolutely no strategy involved. "Lock on to their engines and fire".

Hear, hear! For once I'd like to see a great naval-style battle played out in the 3 dimensions of space. Something with STRATEGY dammit. The closest the ST franchise ever came to showing a real strategy behind all the firing was in ST2:WROK and the occasionally mentioned "Picard Maneuver" in STTNG. O'course, I long since stopped watching most ST stuff so maybe I'm wrong.

Fathom:

no offense but there is this thing called going out and interacting with real live humans!

You're aware you're posting on Fark, right ?

Yeah, it was getting better--all it needed was more NAZI ALIENS!!

Farscape got the bullet for a small handful of drug-induced episodes which were so bizzare they made my skin crawl. Although some episodes were fresh and inventive enough for me to enjoy them immensely. Watching a muppet getting a boner whilst two human characters banged doggy-stile next to the airlock is what made prime-time viewing of that show.

Enterprise, on the other hand, was a Godawful pile of cr@p that left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths from the first day that ship set sail upon an ocean of effluent. The opening and closing title music (which was often repeated during the break-for-commercial segments) kind of summed up the entire series. Kind of the same way they like to play the tuba every time a fat dude wanders into frame on a bad frathouse T&A flick. This vile and despicable blight was clearly communicable and I was thoroughly warmed to my core to read of Enterprise being put to sleep. If it was a bug I would have smashed it with a brick against the warm bitumen and smeared the filth with my boot.

R.I.P.

<80's nerd>
Well, there's still time for them to do the "Sam (from Quantum Leap) 'leaps' into the captain's body and wackiness ensues" episode... guest staring Dean Stockwell of course.
</80's nerd>

Anytime 931 people translate into "millions of people", you need to question the survey and the manipulation of stats... Just sayin'...

Here's a stupid question. How much does it cost in all after all expenses to make an episode of enterprise?? If it wasn't terribly expensive, and they are on a pretty slim budget as i understand, why couldn't they film another season and release the episodes straight to dvd in 4 or 5 episode chunks. Put an arc and a stand alone or 2 on each volume and sell 4 of them a season. They would sell to the die-hard fans and cut the whole tv end of the equation out. Granted B and B have to hit the bricks and the quality of the writing needs to meet the quality of the acting and production but sci fi has always been a niche market and selling a show directly to the fans instead of via a network would be pretty goddamn cool. If it wasn't cost prohibitive that is. Anyway just an idea but Enterprise was on fumes regardless of my slavish devotion to trek and my sadly lowered standards stemming from a general lack of ANY good sci-fi on tv.

p.s. BG is looking promising though.

Goodbye Enterprise...haven't watched it in like 1 1/2 years. what can I say? eh! no great loss. STTNG was better. FarScape was WAY better. Best damn space soap opera ever!

I always wanted to see something with more than one Star Trek crew and spaceship. Something along the lines of The Green Lantern Corps. (anyone who read the comic understands me)

/i'm done

Ignore mine... wrong post... Beam me up Scotty! Damnit, Hurry! (What? I don't care how low on Dilithium Crystals you are, beam me up now!)

This sucks, it may not have been the best trek but it had potential and showed a lot of hidden secrets of the Star Trek universe. I hope Sci-FI jumps in and saves it.

How about a Star Fleet Battles series? Every episode will consist of 32-part scenes in which we see the main characters plotting fire control, overloaded torpedos, drone rack loads, mid-turn speed changes, and scatterpack shuttle launches.

Tune in for the exciting episode where the captain has to explain how plasma can suddenly generate ECM. Guaranteed to be a classic.

Enterprise was actually pretty good this season as was the one before it, alien Nazis notwithstanding.

Enterprise's first two seasons were middling to mediocre in general, but still far and away better than the first two seasons of both Next Generation or Voyager. And I'd be willing to match Enterprise's 3rd and 4th seasons against TNG's any day of the week.

DS9, of course, owns all Trek. And Firefly owns all sci-fi.

Yup...

Star Trek has awful awful battles. The storyline isn't much better. Wacky adventures in space; oh boy!

I can't believe that the ONLY star trek to have good space battles (I don't think they EVER adjusted their "shield frequency") and a good plot is thought by most to be the worst. DS9 had its share of random episodes (a ship gets shrunk; time travel; a black writer in the early twentieth century trying to get his story about DS9 published) and had a bit too much spirituality in the last few episodes... but it was still an actual STORYLINE. The entire series was a living and breathing thing.

Bah... just forget it...

While Enterprise wasn't that great, I don't think it was as bad as people here seem to be describing. It had some promising, and even some great elements, some nice moments, and some decent acting here and there. Unfortunately those crystals of goodness were held together by a big wad of mediocre.

Overall, my biggest gripe with the show is still the design. I'm probably waving my geek/dork/nerd flag a little hard here, but the concept was that this was supposed to be the step between original trek, and NASA - and instead of sticking to that concept, what we got was a watered down "Next generation" - complete with a kewl, glowy TNG ship inside and out.

It looked like they just weren't putting an effort in - recycled everything, with tons of leftovers packed inbetween. Very "off the rack." That's a genuinely bad thing when your major selling point for the concept is that it's supposed to be a whole new take on things. (remember, they deliberately didn't add STAR TREK to the title originally, calling it just ENTERPRISE - and the use of a soft-rock title theme, was supposed to help seperate this series from the rest of the franchise, too)

I will be a little sad to see it go. I hope they learned from their mistakes.

Now that they know they've been canned, will they be filming a big "farewell episode" or just end with whatever the final season episode was supposed to be?

b

farkin' Space Nazis, man

I for one will miss our Star Trek Enterprise overlords...

Firefly rocked
Babylon 5 rocked
Battlestar Galactica Rocks

Star Trek... well crack out the dilithium crystal and pour me some Boones Farm. I'm glad the voyage ended.

Not that no one's going to read my comment way down here, but in the last season or so when they had an actual story line, it got a lot better. To bad is wasn't good to start with.

I liked Enterprise, It might have had better ratings if it were on a real network instead of UPN...

I'm willing to bet most the A-holes on this board haven't watched more than 1 or 2 episodes EVER.
Certainly not the past 2 seasons.

You idiots need reminding that both TNG and DS9 pretty much SUCKED the first couple seasons as well. Enterprise was well above those shows in it's first 2 years.

Need I remind you the majority of the 3rd season of the Original series is worse than anything Voyager or Enterprise put out. Even "Threshold".

peterthx

I started watching TNG in the first season, and yes, it was raw. But the difference between it and Enterprise is that TNG had potential. Enterprise never had that, just used-up storylines and tired subplots.

Y'know, I'm not a sci-fi fan... can't watch any of the Treks except TNG, and that one only on good days. But I gotta tip the hat to Firefly, which was absolutely fantastic (mainly owing to the fact that it was all story and characters and no whack-a-doo aliens) and the new Battlestar Galactica (which I had to be browbeaten into watching the pilot of, and now I downloaded all 13 hdtv torrents to enjoy). Both were awesome and wonderful examples of what sci-fi television could be, and manage to get ratings from mainstreamers like me. I wonder if Paramount will ever get the message.

it's probably for the best. I do think enterprise had potential, but it ended up feeling punchless. I had a season pass to it earlier this year out of some sense of respect for the entire franchise, but when it came down to it, I just didn't care. I never watched any of the episodes, and cancelled the season pass a couple months ago. haven't given it a second thought since then.

kinda sad, really. I really, really loved TNG when I was a kid.

I'm going to be real unpopular here and say that I'm no star trek fan. The original series was pretty cool, and I've seen a few episodes of various star trek series, and the only thing stopping me from becomin ga trekkie in regards to the original series is that I'd have to watch all the episodes. I'm like that. I can't see why TNG gets all the hype. Maybe I just watched the wrong episodes, but the voyager I saw was better than the TNG I saw.

That said, I haven't seen enterprise, but I know a few trekkies who don't like it. I don't know if there is room for star trek in the future. Maybe it would be time to lay it down to rest, but you never know, in twenty years time, or so, it may be time to bring star trek back.

And the other sci-fi isn't faring so well. SG1 isn't having much of a good time, and Richard dean anderson may not be in the next season. (Which will probably kill the series on a dull note) Atlantis is good so far, but it'll probably change drastically next season.

However, sci-fi geeks can look forward to doctor who coming back. I just hope they don't screw that up. I used to love doctor who, and that movie they made was pretty poor.

Now maybe they've given up on Trek for a while someone will revive a Babylon5 spinoff. Granted some of the final B5 episodes ( as well as Crusades ) weren't the greatest but after the long pause it's be worth a try.

Trek is tired. Time to move on.

I believe Travis killed old yeller in the shed.
The analogy would be Wil taking Worf out to the holodeck to put him down. Either way, good riddance Enterprise, when stuff like Firefly gets canceled and this turd stays on the air sucking valuable Sci-Fi capital away. Oh wait, T'Pal was on that show. NO! I need joleen blalock fap props.

/ didn't read comments

My biggest complaint about the star trek world is how the ships are so clean and tidy all the time. The battle sequences are always the same too. One ship fires and the other returns fire, there is absolutely no strategy involved. "Lock on to their engines and fire".

Which is yet another reason why B5 was so much better. Especially in the later episodes.

Is the Enterprise going to be shot down over the Sea of Tokyo on its trip home?

"peterthx

I started watching TNG in the first season, and yes, it was raw. But the difference between it and Enterprise is that TNG had potential. Enterprise never had that, just used-up storylines and tired subplots."

How soon we forget TNG ep's of the first season like "The Naked Now" a complete rip off of TOS "The Naked Time"
How about the ep where TNG crew had to fight the "ferengie" on a planet because some supreme being made them kinda like TOS meeting of the Gorn.
I could list more but won't bother TNG had very little going for it at first it did get better.
Enterprise started out better got bad but improved in the last 2 seasons.

I have to go along with peterthx here concerning the original "platinum age" Star Trek. Wasn't it season three when they had Nazis, Chinese Communists, Chicago Gangsters and Romans? Talk about maximum suckage.

It was the kid, Travis, who killed Ol Yeller. Pa offered to, but Travis wanted to me the one.

Now, go fix me some vittles. How 'bout some of that side meat hangin' in the breezeway, and some fixin's to go with it?

ST and STNG = good

Voyager, DS9, Enterprise = bad

yea enterprise sucked but by bringing manny coto it was getting better this season and did have possibilties.

but the franchise has been in a slow downward death spiral since roddenberry died, you can almost trace it to that exact moment. And the longer without his influence... look at earth: final conflict, and andromeda which is just a mess that also needed to be put out of it's misery. both were based on his ideas, both got off to a great start and both sputtered when others tried to take them in a different direction.

Had to do it.



"No. No. No."

I personally liked this show as having so many possible directions, but I blame Berman and Braga for failing to come up with any original ideas. They screwed up in the middle of Voyager when they disallowed outside writers to submit their own scripts since many of the best episodes of all the other series were developed by outside writers and won awards.

I liked the cast, Travis never got used enough, the third season was amazing, the fourth is shaping up so well. They took a page from Marvel's book and started doing story arcs, something the recent Star Trek movies have lacked and what made the original crew films so interesting.

I've watched the various trek series over the years, have managed to ignore the really bad ones, ::caughvoyageercaugh:: Enterprise was among the worst mainly because it completely raped the entire history build up during the rest of the series. The time period they were running it in was literally just after earth had crawled out of a post apocalyptic horror. Technology was quite advanced in some ways (warp drive, matter transmission) and completely primitive in others. (limited computer use, still relying on nuclear missiles and lasers) Heck according to eps of TOS they didnt even have visual communication over subspace during that period. The ships were small, cramped and terribly slow. Admittedly I'm showing my level of trek geekdom here but I've even roleplayed on a trek based mush that was better written on an average episode than the combined efforts of the best eps of the last few trek series. Oh, and in the storyline we used voyager was NOT cannon, and enterprise never happened.

Favorite trek episode: In the pale moonlight. (ds9)
Favorite SG1: Window of opportunity, (with The other guys coming in a close second)
Favorite B5: All of it. Never saw an ep I didnt enjoy, thogh seeing Veer waving at Mordin's head on a pike came really close to a favorite.
Favorite Farscape: Hard to decide. Will have to watch them all again.
Favorite BG: I cant call it battlestar galactica, Call it anything else and get rid of the BG references and it's a great show on its own. But it's not Battlestar Galactica. Ep 13 was good though. On the whole, good acting and decent writing, though I have problems with the cinematography.

Ok, I've rambled enough, time to go back to homework.

I've had the "death knell of Trek" arguments with friends for YEARS, so I will sum it up here.

I was never a big fan of Kirk and Friends (TOS), except for the Harlan Ellison episode which was raped by Roddenberry and the networks (for a particularly jaunty, whiny treatise on the story behind the screenplay, check out Ellison's book on the topic). What we need to understand as Trek/Star Wars fans is that this is not science fiction in the truest sense of the word. It is space OPERA at best, and any die hard SF fan will tell you that Gene's dystopian future is laughable at best, and it was intended as nothing more than a cash cow (much like Dianetics and Scientology--another sci-fi writer trick). If you don't think that Berman, Braga and all their little minions were in it for the PHILOSOPHY of Trek, then obviously you haven't went to a convention and paid $20 for an autographed 8x10 of Red Shirt #2 in episode 67.

Trek is a franchise, pure and simple. It exists to draw you in and take your money. But, it makes for relatively decent episodic television, and thanks to die hard fans who truly value creativity, it has created a cultural node all its own that will persist long after any foolish TV series ends...we existed without Trek from 1967-1977, we can do it again if need be.

Most people think True Trek (TT) ended with Roddenberry died, and passed the torch to Berman, who promptly dumped it on its ear. Next Gen was the last hurrah, and it took four seasons of DS9 for us to find some decent Trek again, despite fan protestations that mucking with the dystopian view of TT with the Dominion war was an affront to the history of the genre. I disagreed. It took NextGen a good 3 seasons to flesh out the characters, and I felt the idea of a huge war, genetic tampering and a secret government black ops organization like Section 31 made it more real to us in the 20th century, that people in the future would get into bloody wars and screw with the system. Then they promptly took what could be considered one of the best story arcs in sci-fi history and trounced it with the series ender. Ever since Wrath of Khan the producers have been trying to capture the Tragic Death of a Beloved Major Character with the same panache as Nimoy and Nick Meyer, but they all failed miserably. Kirk died in a ridiculous fashion, Sisko got the crappy boot, and I won't even go into Data's pointless death in ST: Nemesis. As much as I loved Brent Spiner in the series, he should be ashamed to beg to get killed off as Data and then pony up to the Enterprise series as a progenitor of Data's creator. Sheer sellout at its finest.

The whole thing with Babylon 5 doomed DS9 from the start, but DS9 recovered and ended on a decent note. Voyager was I feel doomed from teh start, because none of the character save maybe the Doctor had any appeal. Good Trek has ALWAYS been about how well the characters were written in their respective episodes, and sometimes it's not bad acting (although in some cases this holds true), it's just bad writing. This was no more apparent then with the Seven of Nine intro (which was blatantly pulled from a fanfic series about a liberated Borg who joined Starfleet--I wonder if a court case was ever filed for that?). Fans were already against it for the T&A factor, then when they found out Jeri Ryan could ACT, they fed her some excellent stories that gave us our fix for the Borg arc. Despite ruining the menace of these mindless automatons with the Borg Queen crap, Seasons 4-7 of Voyager fared decently well with me, as long as the episodes featured Seven. The funny issue with the series was that Bob Beltran was all ready to pull out on the last season, so they threw him a bone by making him Seven's love interest, thus ruining the end of the series.

Next Gen was the only series ever to end on a high note. They did justice to the franchise with that closure, and I doubt Enterprise will come anywhere close to it. In many ways I kept thinking Enterprise was just a springboard for the eventual Riker/Troi series that was to deal with the fragmentation of the Federation and a Starfleet/Romulan alliance against a new deadlier enemy.

My personal thoughts? Fire the current Paramount executive board for Trek. This may be harder than it sounds, because as any of us who work in modern Corporate America know, you pretty much have to hire a hitman or trigger one of them to murder the other one to get them fired). Get new blood, preferably Reeves-Stevenses or DC Fontana. Hire Peter David as the screenwriter, and beg Nicolas Meyer to direct the pilot and first season, maybe Nick Sagan as well. Have David write a series based on his New Frontier crew, which to me is the only good thing coming out of Trek published fiction these days. David has the fan and story ideas down, and the man writes some incredibly hilarious dialogue. He deftly mixes new Trek storylines with classic Trek themes, and if you've read any of his novels (Vendetta, Imzadi, Q-Squared), he keeps you coming back for more like a Black Tar Heroin addict. Again, Trek has always been about the characters, and if you can carefully balance good actors, good characters and good storylines, you will have a winner, whether it be Trek, Galactica or Series Yet To Be Named.

Good riddance. Let's have a break from Star Trek/Wars for at LEAST one or two generations. What we need are more COP shows. YEEEEHAWWWWWW
(although, I wouldn't mind seeing re-runs of Babylon 5 again)

AND...and... screw the reality shows while they're at it.

/hates cop shows - TV sux/

Tig_Old_Bitties: Get new blood, preferably Reeves-Stevenses or DC Fontana.

Dorothy Fontana was responsible for most of the first-season TNG episodes that were painful ripoffs of TOS episodes (not necessarily the TOS she wrote herself), and she was rightfully sacked for it.

[Peter David] deftly mixes new Trek storylines with classic Trek themes, and if you've read any of his novels (Vendetta, Imzadi, Q-Squared), he keeps you coming back for more like a Black Tar Heroin addict.

Not true. People have been known to kick heroin.