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(Tech Times)   British police now have to provide a written explanation to every person they search.   ( divider line
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2002-03-12 07:34:43 AM  

They have to keep a record of who they search and why but they dont have to gibe it to the searchee.

Nando times had it wrong I'm afraid.
2002-03-12 07:37:27 AM  
Oops, sorry after checking it appears it is proposed that they do.

"You look like a subversive bastard" is what they could put on mine.
2002-03-12 07:37:34 AM  
Coincidentally I was the first person this law has been affected by. Here's the letter I received yesterday.

Dear Mr. Pat McCrotch,
We need to search your ass.

The Bobbies
2002-03-12 07:40:23 AM  
Dear The Goatman,

Transcript of why:

Gaw! Look at 'im! 'Ee looks dodgier than a three-bob note! Gettim!

Moi: It's a fair cop.


The Pigs.
2002-03-12 07:45:02 AM  
If you look more closely you will find it has been signed "The Boobies".... I think you've been had, mate.
2002-03-12 07:48:03 AM  
Double ouch. I just remembered today that I am also not British. And that my name isn't Pat McCrotch :(

(That'd be a pretty cool name to have though...)
2002-03-12 08:00:49 AM  
I knew a guy Gengis Mcann

Now that is a name!
2002-03-12 08:07:41 AM  
I was at school with 4 Christopher Crosses at one point. People who want to be parents should be shot.
2002-03-12 08:09:00 AM  
Let's recap this thread before it happens.

'Police suck'
'Police rule'
'Sting sucked, Police rule'
'Police rule, you commie Brits'
'Police are worse than the Taliban'
'That's BS'
'(pictures of guys with scars from police)'
'Police are not worse than the Taliban'
'Gotta go, my ride is here'
2002-03-12 08:10:39 AM  
*Buys RobbieFal drink*
2002-03-12 08:13:37 AM  
No no no RobieFal!

This is a perfect thread for juvenile humor and I would like to keep it that way. Oftentimes the trolls and crapflooders have to threadjack to get everybody away from the usual flamewar. This is a golden opportunity, and should be treated as such.
2002-03-12 08:21:18 AM  
As far as bad names go I have never had anyone beat my on this one. I went to school with a chick named "Jalicious Lay."
2002-03-12 08:27:19 AM  
We had a teacher called Dick Williman. That was quite cool.
2002-03-12 08:50:02 AM  
whats so stupid about that?
2002-03-12 08:59:06 AM  
Bin drinkin' Fb- ?
2002-03-12 09:11:26 AM  
I don't want a note, I'd just like them to camp it up a bit, "ello ello ello, what's all this then sunshine?" that sort of thing.
2002-03-12 09:34:24 AM  
why does this sounds soooo much like Brazil?
2002-03-12 09:41:52 AM  
I have known a :

Richard Head (Dickhead)
Louise Brush (Loo Brush)
Christopher Peter Bacon (Chris P Bacon)

do I win a prize?
2002-03-12 09:46:30 AM  
Why does this have a stupid tag? Searching people without reason at all is a good thing???
2002-03-12 09:48:58 AM  
I had the piss taken out of me for not having a middle name by a bloke at school called...
Nigel Pemberton Orange-Bromehead (Pronounced Orranj-Brome'head - or "Ooof!" after I twatted him!)
2002-03-12 09:51:12 AM  
"Dear Mr. Louima,
I am writing today to explain the purposes of our search of your anal rectum cavitatus with the proximal end of a plumbing operator's assistal tool Thursday last.

We had received a tip from an Orenthal J. Stimpson that someone with a last name starting with 'L' was the real killer, and, true to our duty, we were following up on it.

We hope this has not unduly inconvenienced you. Please accept the enclosed F.O.P. window decal as our gift.

Sincerely, in holy memory of our fallen Brethren,
NYPD's Bluest
2002-03-12 10:13:27 AM  
Sounds like a good policy to me. At least the cops are somewhat accountable for their actions. In America the cops can now enter your home while you aren't there, search and remove items, and NOT TELL YOU ABOUT IT until they feel like it. If ever...
That's a much better way (sarcasm dripping like an icicle in july).
2002-03-12 10:19:35 AM  
Unwarranted searches like this (stop and search for no reason) are unconstitutional in the United States. But in the Fascist state of Britain, they can search your ass anytime for any reason.

Surprise! A study recently proved that the British police are mostly only stopping and searching racial minorities, go figure?

So now the cops have to give a little piece of paper with a reason for the search when they intrude on someone's life. Of course the coppers are whining about it to no end.

Oh pooor policeman, he has to write on some paper every time he violates the life of a minority citizen.

Pathetic British police state is going to have 50,000 police-owned surveillance cameras in their screwy country by the end of this year and crime is still rising, the criminals just avoid the areas with cameras.
2002-03-12 10:26:24 AM  
When I was a kid, there was a woman in the Indianapolis phone book named Annis Heiny. Needless to say, I talked to her several times.
2002-03-12 10:29:00 AM  
Anita Dik, Dr. Dik (her father in law)

Yep, in America there are citizens, in England there are subjects of the Crown, meaning basically, the producers of the Magna Carta have very few rights in the way that Americans understand them. And those are up for grabs. Police can search your house without a warrant, they can take you in without any reason or justification, no reading the Miranda, hell, no Miranda, no right to a lawyer at questioning....

Power-hungry repressive jerks are pretty much the same all over the world. It's what brings us all together.
2002-03-12 10:53:25 AM  
Just another Liberally-motivated step in the tearing down of society. I'm sure America will be following that fallen nation's example any day now.
2002-03-12 10:56:09 AM  
This isn't stupid at all: in fact, 'bout bleeding time.

Wmack:Erm, police in britain do require a warrant before searching your house, they are not permitted to bring you in for questioning without reason (unless you're a {ahem} terrorist suspect...), they are required to read you your rights, and you have a right to legal representation at any questioning

Just where did you get that ?? Or am I missing the sarcasm ?
2002-03-12 11:05:29 AM  
Well...maybe he was being sarcastic, but several years ago I dated a fellow from near Hastings... got his D. Phil. from Oxford, doing research in the States. I took several trips there, he had several here...we had a number of discussions on the differences between "2 cultures divided by a common language".

According to him (which he turned out to be less than truthful on a number of things, hence ending the relationship) he read papers in law although his specialty was psychotherapy. He made it sound pretty much like the English were meat puppets who had to stand around while the "Crown" did whatever it wanted. It made me appreciate the sketchy rights we Do have here in the you're telling me it was ALL a lie?

(Hmmmm....maybe that Xeroxed diploma should have clued me in.)
2002-03-12 11:11:35 AM  
The reason this has been bought in is because our Police are institutionally racist (they admitted it themselves). Just like the American pigs were a few years back (although we're not at that level yet). Too many ethnic minorities are complaining, with justification, that they are being stopped and searched just because of the colour of their skin. Now people can get an explanation for why they have been stopped.
2002-03-12 11:16:24 AM  
Yea, how [image from too old to be available]. I much prefer a Gestapo style police force that can search you at any time with no reason or justification.
2002-03-12 11:21:32 AM  
There was a Steve Martin and a Kenny Rogers in my high school graduating class. And a Liz Claiborne in college.
2002-03-12 11:32:48 AM  
ClownCollegeGraduate, good thing they have your morally superior guilty white Liberal ass to speak out for them! My hero!

"American pigs". fark off.

Those "pigs" keep the peace and order in the society you take for granted. Head down to some non-policed African nations, or most of the Islamic countries and wander around for a little while. When some "downtrodden minority" bends you over and jams his shaft in your sphincter I'm sure you'll gain a new appreciation for living in a society of order, one in which men and women who are a hundred times your better put their safety on the line every day to protect ungrateful pieces of shiat like you.

No wonder your country has been waning in significance for hundreds of years. Id there a Brit on this forum who isn't a socialist worshipping Liberal piece of shiat?
2002-03-12 11:46:59 AM  
Ha, I'm not a socialist worshipping Liberal piece of shiate.

I am sleepy...

I am not making very funny remark I wanted to.

me go away now.
2002-03-12 12:01:45 PM  
Wmack:He made it sound pretty much like the English were meat puppets who had to stand around while the "Crown" did whatever it wanted.

Nah - that's pretty much the way it is. What ? Who do you think did the acting on Thunderbirds ;)

Odietamo:That's great when the police are actually protecting people - which is how it should be. It ain't so great when they're brutalising someone, or breaking the law to cover their own incompetence or prejudice.

In no country are the police angels - they're people, and as such suffer from the same prejudices and intollerences as the rest of any nation. However, as a force that has certain intrusive powers, they have to be accountable.

To expect that these powers are accountable could hardly be described as "socialist worshipping liberal piece of sh*t". To have no accountability is usually considered "police state".
2002-03-12 12:07:43 PM  
at least someone is getting their freedom back.

This should be law in the US too.
2002-03-12 12:10:35 PM  
The kind of criminal that is going to be busted on stop and search is generally a poor person carrying drugs, illegal weapons, etc. Now if a disproportionate amount of the poor are minorities, that is a different problem.

Every person that is searched is going to be of SOME race (or blend). Therefore each person searched can say "I was searched because I'm ______!" and hold aloft the mantle of victimhood. If you want to see racism everywhere, fine. We in the States will gladly send you Jesse Jackson to cure all societal ills. If you respond in the next 15 minutes we'll throw in Al Sharpton as an added bonus!

One last tip ... don't carry contraband. If it shouldn't be contraband, work to get the law changed. But then again, any gov't that doesn't respect its citizens enough to allow them to carry arms might not be interested in their point of view.
2002-03-12 01:54:54 PM  
ArmchairDissident, thanks for the lecture. I never said otherwise.

"Accountable" does not equate to proactive cynicism, insults and the assumption of guilt. "ARE institutionally racist" and "American pigs" isn't an intelligent attempt to hold people "accountable" or to judge them with any sense of reason and fairness. It isn't enlightened. It isn't defensible. It isn't acceptable. It is repulsive and disgusting. Don't agree? Sorry to here that.

ASSUMING law enforcement is guilty, insulting them by reflex and having an utter lack of respect for them puts one in the category of "socialist worshipping liberal piece of sh*t". And if you defend that knucklehead and his choice of expression, you are worse than he is because you try to couch your unacceptable bigotry and anti-estabilshment ideology as intellectual reason.
2002-03-12 01:56:05 PM  
Model4, very well said!
2002-03-12 05:29:56 PM  

You're right that the kind of criminal that is busted in the "Stop and Search" is going to be a poor minority. Why? Because the cops don't dare search the higher class whites, they know they'd get too much flak.

The truth is that in the UK, whites use most of the drugs, so if they searched young white kids they'd get more busts, but they don't so they only bust the lower class that doesn't have any clout.

I know of rich neighborhoods where the cops won't even bust people for traffic violations because they get reamed out. So they stay in the poorer parts of town and make their ticket quoto there.
2002-03-12 05:40:28 PM  
Odietamo: "Are instituionally racist" is neither an intellegent, nor unintellegent attempt at accountability, but in Britain is simply a fact. It is a fact held up by the Commons (parliment), the House of Lords, and the police force.

This is not an ill-founded liberalist opinion, but the considered opinion of our government, independent inquiry, and the police force itself. It is not insulting, it is not a reflex action. It is not lack of respect. It is a fact that has been uncovered by due process of parliment, inquiry and law.

In order for our police force to recover from the damage they have inflicted upon themselves - as an institution - they need to take measures to ensure that they are seen to be even-handed. In order to do this they need to be able to show that they are accountable to the public.
And if you defend that knucklehead and his choice of expression, you are worse than he is because you try to couch your unacceptable bigotry and anti-estabilshment ideology as intellectual reason.
If you believe that every single member of your police department is not racist, and that american police have never been involved in racist attacks, or have ever abused their power, then you have no need to hold your police to account, so you shan't need to know your miranda rights, or speak to a lawyer next time you're arrested will you.
2002-03-12 05:41:15 PM  
Doh! who hid the closing tag ??
2002-03-12 06:06:49 PM  
Armchair, they found the same thing in the State of New Jersey, referring to it as "racial profiling". I won't pretend to know enough to give an opinion of the situation in your country. In New Jersey it was nonsense. And I am disinclined to take your word for it.

If you believe that every single member
There you go again with the bigoted hyperbole. I never said every single member was ANYTHING. What I said, quite clearly, was: "ASSUMING law enforcement is guilty, insulting them by reflex and having an utter lack of respect for them puts one in the category of "socialist worshipping liberal piece of sh*t". To you, when I say "all law enforcement shouldn't be assumed guilty" you twist that in your head to read as "all law enforcement are always innocent". The fact I need to clarify says volumes about your distance from any possibility of objectivity.

so you shan't need to know your miranda rights, or speak to a lawyer next time you're arrested will you.
I shan't plan to get arrested in the first place. In the second, as I'm sure I'll be repeating to farking death, refer to above.
2002-03-12 06:27:26 PM  
2002-03-12 09:32:12 PM  
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