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morganna		2005-01-30 08:45:00 PM

Nobody said this yet?
"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"
Great job spying those WMD's that we went in there for.
Great job making sure every soldier has body armor, properly armored vehicles and a reasonable rotation home.
Great planning - it went just as you imagined it would.
Great job overseeing the whole thing, not a hitch.

Wow Bush really is a great guy - gag.

The ONLY reason any of this went off as well as it did
is the soldiers on the ground. They are fixing this mess with minimal tools and half assed support from Washington.
I hate seeing Bush get the credit for the military managing to patch up his mess.

Glad it went off without a total bloodbath (could have been worse) - it still remains to be seen if this election actually means anything relevant or long term. I honestly hope they tell us to leave in the next year or less.

widespot		2005-01-30 08:45:18 PM

Why would anyone believe Bush? Seriously, why?

lexslamman		2005-01-30 08:45:29 PM

nerfball:
since your effort to discredit me is entering its second hour, let me quote that post from oh-so-long-ago:
I said,
"war is peace:

we exported democracy to Iraq by killing 100s of thousands of Iraqis. that doesn't even cover the sanctions. I'm sure that appeals to Syrians and Iranians"

simple mistake to make. should have read: "war is peace:

we exported democracy to Iraq by killing 10s of thousands of Iraqis. that doesn't even cover the sanctions. I'm sure that appeals to Syrians and Iranians"

I don't fabricate figures. I leave that to the republican right. Thanks for the fruitless effort at discrediting me, though, it made you look like a real troll.

asshat.

OralB		2005-01-30 08:46:05 PM

LawrencePerson

Here's Jim Geraghty's roundup of a few of the many liberals (this batch also on DU) who are devestated by the successful Iraqi election.

Jim Geraghty's roundup!!! Hell yeah!!!

GodsRightHandGimp		2005-01-30 08:46:06 PM

LawrencePerson:

Here's Jim Geraghty's roundup of a few of the many liberals (this batch also on DU) who are devestated by the successful Iraqi election.

Yeah lets find the nuttiest people we can find on the internet and base our opinions on that.

Im going to go to a Republican chat room on AOL then document what I see and pretend all Republicans think like that.

If thats the game you want to play then you are just cheating yourself.

nerfball		2005-01-30 08:47:10 PM

lexslamman:

I don't fabricate figures.

sure you don't.

/still laughing hysterically

mindbuzz		2005-01-30 08:47:36 PM

I'm a liberal and I hate America just as much as any other liberal. I am against the war in Iraq and that makes me unpatriotic and a terrorist lover. My mind has been brainwashed, since birth, by the fourth estate and it is the responsibility of the Government to hold my hand and lead me through my meek, mediocre, and underachieving life. If I wasn't such a big pussy, I would enlist in the military to fight or at least argue from a pro-war stance on the internets. But, I don't even have the balls to do that. And just when I thought my pitiful existence couldn't get any worse, not nearly enough Iraqis were killed during the elections today. Dammit. Just, Dammit.

SiON42X		2005-01-30 08:47:59 PM

farkdog: Because Americans, most of them, only wanna hear the controversial stuff. As for the stereotyping by me, you are right and I am sorry, it was wrong for me to generalize what I said. I know you liberals are big on apologies. =D

PC LOAD LETTER		2005-01-30 08:48:19 PM

SiON42X

Where are the WMDs? You talk about traces here and a 15 year old shell there. Where are they? Hmmm?

Here are some quotes from both sides of the aisle based on our uB3r 1337 CIA intel skillz:

Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States.

Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-CT, September 4, 2002

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

Dick Cheney August 26, 2002

If we wait for the danger to become clear, it could be too late.

Sen. Joseph Biden D-Del., September 4, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

George W. Bush September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.

Ari Fleischer December 2, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.

Colin Powell February 5, 2003

Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations.

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, February 5, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. As this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.

Gen. Tommy Franks March 22, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.

Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board , March 23, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.

Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.

Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003

BillCosby		2005-01-30 08:49:33 PM

OralB		2005-01-30 08:49:59 PM

nerfball

lexslamman:

I don't fabricate figures.

sure you don't.

/still laughing hysterically

We're all still laughing at your inability to read and comment on a speech.

Kuroyama		2005-01-30 08:51:30 PM

SiON42X

By this logic, I should go to jail for putting my fists/keys/a grapefruit/anything in my pockets, for concealing a deadly weapon. That mold on my cheese is a class 1 biohazard, that the tiniest gust of wind an F-5 twister.

Well, in your Rove-colored glasses, molehills do become Kilimanjaro if you squint hard enough.

SiON42X		2005-01-30 08:51:33 PM

I love it.

"There are no WMDs in Iraq!"
SiON42X: Yes there are. Here is proof.
"Yeah, but that was only a little big of incredibly deadly toxic material that is outlawed by the US and UN and classified as WMD. We want to see a lot."

GodsRightHandGimp		2005-01-30 08:51:34 PM

SiON42X:

NOWHERE in there does it say it has to be a massive stockpile. Just because it's not a BIG ENOUGH pile of WMDs doesn't mean it's not a WMD. We DID, I repeat, DID find WMDs in Iraq.

Think about this for a second. If they did in fact find WMDs dont you think that Bush and Co. would jump on that and make it front page news?

mcflizzy		2005-01-30 08:51:44 PM

mindbuzz, don't forget Poland.

nerfball		2005-01-30 08:51:51 PM

OralB:

We're all still laughing at your inability to read and comment on a speech.

i never read his speech. unfortunately i saw them on tape. keep laughing.

MrGumboPants		2005-01-30 08:52:39 PM

Isn't it possible that two somewhat contradictory things are both true?

1) Iraqi elections are a good thing and I hope that Arabs everywhere thank us for spending all this money (and losing so many young men) just to set a small country free.

2) George W. Bush lied his ass off to get us here instead of trusting our own people to make up our minds with the facts.

BeerNut		2005-01-30 08:53:01 PM

Weren't you liberal pukes all moving to Canada after the election?

Swindmill		2005-01-30 08:53:37 PM

nerfball: i never read his speech. unfortunately i saw them on tape. keep laughing.

If you saw them, tell us what he said.

SiON42X		2005-01-30 08:53:52 PM

GodsRightHandGimp, did you actually RTFAs that I posted? It DID make the news in several places.

Kuroyama, you're making no sense and you're not giving back a good argument. There's nothing in there about fists, keys, or grapefruits. If you were to put sarin nerve agent in your pockets, it would be a lot different. Stop covering up the fact that you have no argument for what I've said with inane jokes.

Swindmill		2005-01-30 08:55:11 PM

BeerNut: Weren't you liberal pukes all moving to Canada after the election?

They wouldn't take us. They were afraid we'd bring our terrorist friends with us.

Steve French		2005-01-30 08:55:21 PM

Liberal types (lefties) were very happy to see the Iraqi people today. Why, I haven't seen them that happy since...9/11. Hopefully they will finally live in peace with other people, in their own country especially, with each other.
I don't give a fark about George Bush, Chimpster in Chief. He's your problem, you Murkin idiots elected the fool. And I don't give a fark which one of your meaningless 'sides' Repug/Dumbocrat false dichotomy is 'winning' the battle for Murkin hearts and stupid minds. This is about people's lives, nobody in the world cares about your politics except for you, as it should be. Until you start invading other countries for obviously fabricated reasons, that is. Quit projecting your smug sense of self absorption, you farking Murkins are like children who have yet to realize an external world exists outside of themselves.

abennion		2005-01-30 08:55:25 PM

God almighty, free oil at last!

MWeather		2005-01-30 08:55:28 PM

BeerNut: Yep, along with the conservatives who moved there when Clinton was re-elected.

OralB		2005-01-30 08:55:39 PM

nerfball

OralB:

We're all still laughing at your inability to read and comment on a speech.

i never read his speech. unfortunately i saw them on tape. keep laughing.

His speech was just the other day. I'm sure Rush will have some remarks about it tomorrow. Just be sure to follow up and post them as your own so we'll continue to think of you as the original thinker that you are. Thanks.

BillCosby		2005-01-30 08:55:57 PM

nerfball, I think you should concede on this point and move on to something less indefensible.

consdubya		2005-01-30 08:56:48 PM

Wow, the neocon cheerleaders are out in force today.......

What amazes me, is that you guys dont realise that you are doing what you once despised the liberals for. Being overly optimistic if not completely irrational.

Well, since you guys are such geo-political geniuses, why dont you enlighten us freedom hating liberals as how to solve these problems:

1) The Kurds - Will they be given their own homeland in the North of Iraq, which is what they have been fighting for the last 20+ years?

2) Shia Fundamentalism - How will iraq handle the masses of Iran-Style fundies that want to turn Iraq into a theocracy?

3) Ongoing Security fears - What makes you think the insurgency attacks will stop? Why would they stop?

Please rightwingers, do tell us what will solve these problems.

RealFarknMcCoy2		2005-01-30 08:57:09 PM

SiON42X You're joking, right? Please tell me you're not really that farking stupid...

SiON42X		2005-01-30 08:58:35 PM

RealFarknMcCoy2: Which point? Again, a case of no counterpoint, not even a citation of any point that I have made. Instead, just an insult.

nerfball		2005-01-30 08:58:42 PM

Swindmill:

If you saw them, tell us what he said.

if you must, what offended me the most was his contention that we are losing and should pull out. this, two days before the iraqi election. the turnout today showed we are not losing, that we should not pull out and that we are in fact helping change take place in the most unstable reigon of the world.

again, kennedy is part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Twister58201		2005-01-30 08:59:12 PM

This year's liberal whine is a good vintage.

wkiernan		2005-01-30 08:59:58 PM

Elections are just spiff in a nation, but Iraq is not a nation, it's an ignorant English cartographer's political mistake. Given the immemorial ethnic conflicts between the various clearly defined and mutually antagonistic ethnic groups ignorantly bunched together at the turn of the twentieth century by the British Emipre, the sensible thing to have done (that is, if you gave a damn about the locals) would have been to partition the mess along ethnic lines. But as always there were realpolitikal considerations: the Turks, who have abused their Kurdish minority, apparently out of sheer sadism, for decades now, would have put up a big ugly pother over Iraqo-Kurdistan, and the Israeli hard right and their groveling servants in Foggy Bottom evidently refused to tolerate the terrifying notion of a Iraqo-Shiiteistan.

So the crypto-nation of Iraq staggers on, and the bottom line is, for the next twenty years or so, have a nice war, y'all!

Steve French		2005-01-30 09:00:46 PM

re: 'Wow, the neocon cheerleaders are out in force today....'

Yah, the neocon yard apes were having themselves a nice little circle jerk grooming each until I showed up to destroy them with logic and reason.

uclajd		2005-01-30 09:00:52 PM

Prospero424

And people like uclajd are exactly who I was talking about...

They don't care about Iraqi democracy. They just want to use this opportunity to once again biatch about "liberals". It's pathetic.

Thanks for speaking for my feelings, but I think that I better speak for myself and many Americans when I say that I haven't been so moved since the Berlin Wall fell, and found myself tearing up today. So fark off! The fact that I can enrage cynical, dishonest liberals who apparently no longer stand for idealism and human rights is just icing on the cake.

Too bad that you hate Bush so much that you can't just admit that today is a great day for the world and democracy.

Kuroyama

I notice you're not in Iraq supporting the administration you blindly defend.

Well, I am above the US military's maximum enlistment age, and would never pass the physical anyway. But if I were 10 years younger, I would have enlisted. But I don't need to be in the military to have an opinion, do I? Or do we live in a military junta where only soldiers can speak? I thought you libs were all about free expression?

As far as "blindly defeding" Bush, that's a typical cheap shot from a desperate man. I don't agree with Bush on a lot of things, and I don't parrot talking points from Rush Limbaugh. I think for myself, and your ad hominem attacks reek of desperation.

Hell, Tony Blair is a socialist by American standards, but I'd send him a check for reelection if it weren't illegal under British law. I respect leadership and doing the right thing over ideology.

"One man with courage makes a majority."
- Andrew Jackson

OralB		2005-01-30 09:01:11 PM

nerfball

again, kennedy is part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Part of what problem? Is that biatch as insurgent now? Damn him.

doublebonus		2005-01-30 09:01:14 PM

Hey, I got the one millionth post in this thread!

/wOOt!

/or is it w00T?

lexslamman		2005-01-30 09:01:24 PM

GodsRightHandGimp:

Of course there WERE WMD in Iraq. Of course there will be traces of WMD found in Iraq. The US exported tons of technology and know-how to Iraq to develop their WMD program.

The real worrisome question is: Where are those WMD now?

Lets look at Bush's target list for answers:

Afghanistan? Probably not, and if they are there, we won't find them. We can't even find a 6'5'' arab on dialysis in Afghanistan

Iraq? Probably not, we would have pulverized them or tripped over them by now

Iran? Probably not, Iran and Iraq are not exactly buddy-buddy.

N. Korea? Probably not, too far to export

Jordan? Jordan wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole

Turkey? Same thing. Turkey is trying to get into the EU. Not that stupid.

Syria? More probable, but I still don't think Bashar Assad is that dumb.

So, lets look at Bush's non-target list for answers...

Saudi Arabia? Most likely of all the options. Home to 16 of 19 9/11 hijackers, large faction of people with anti-us sentiment, largest terrorist stronghold in the world, ally and friend of the Bush family. We won't find those WMD until they are used on our own people.

RealFarknMcCoy2		2005-01-30 09:02:50 PM

*sigh* Yes, it appears he really *IS* that stupid. America has jumped the shark.

BeerNut		2005-01-30 09:02:58 PM

Democrats are so busy biatching about Bush that they won't notice a republican winning in 2008 until it's too late.

PC LOAD LETTER		2005-01-30 09:03:01 PM

RealFarknMcCoy2:

SiON42X You're joking, right? Please tell me you're not really that farking stupid...

Sorry... It's true.

GodsRightHandGimp		2005-01-30 09:03:06 PM

SiON42X: did you actually RTFAs that I posted? It DID make the news in several places.

I said front page news. You claimed it only made third page news. Did you even RTFA?

So again, think about it.

If there were in fact WMDs found in Iraq dont you think Bush and Co. would make it front page news? Dont you think Bush would be on every news station saying "I told you so"?

Of course they would and you know this man.

lexslamman		2005-01-30 09:03:39 PM

wkiernan, thank you for being the most cogent person in this discussion yet.

nerfball		2005-01-30 09:04:08 PM

OralB:

Part of what problem? Is that biatch as insurgent now? Damn him.

since you are such a big teddy kennnedy apologist, let me quote his brother:

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

ted kennnedy is an embarrassment.

wrffr		2005-01-30 09:04:19 PM

SiON42X		2005-01-30 09:04:27 PM

Wow RealFarknMcCoy2, even better. A direct insult, not even a question, without any sort of debate involved. How typical.

Swindmill		2005-01-30 09:04:28 PM

uclajd:

Thanks for speaking for my feelings, but I think that I better speak for myself and many Americans when I say that I haven't been so moved since the Berlin Wall fell, and found myself tearing up today. So fark off! The fact that I can enrage cynical, dishonest liberals who apparently no longer stand for idealism and human rights is just icing on the cake.

Too bad that you hate Bush so much that you can't just admit that today is a great day for the world and democracy.

That was very moving, but in order to engage in rational debates you need to learn how to use logic rather than emotion

/not enraged

bbcrackmonkey		2005-01-30 09:04:46 PM

consdubya, you raise excellent points. We should all be concerned about continuing violence from the Sunnis, Shia fundies, and Kurdish separatists. Thankfully we've got a democratically government in Iraq that will do its best to solve these problems, ostensibly by going the federalist route and giving each group a wide berth to enact policies in their local governates.

MWeather		2005-01-30 09:04:57 PM

uclajd: Idealism is for children. Eventualy, you have to become a realist or become a hopeless optimist.

BillCosby		2005-01-30 09:05:01 PM

consdubya:

2005-01-30 08:56:48 PM consdubya [TotalFark]

Well, since you guys are such geo-political geniuses, why dont you enlighten us freedom hating liberals as how to solve these problems:

1) The Kurds
2) Shia Fundamentalism
3) Ongoing Security fears

The Kurds, Shias and Sunni all voted YES on today's referendum of Peace, Love and Understanding. Once the ballots are fully counted, electricity and sanitation will be restored. Iran has agreed to not interfere. The Iraqi Security Forces are stronger than ever.