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2005-01-30 11:16:12 PM  
The Bruce Dickinson: Stunning! Absolutely Stunning!

Ahh! Iraqi Ninja!
 
2005-01-30 11:16:35 PM  
xaveth:

Any political victory for our President is a "bad day" for liberals, even if it does mean the beginning of freedom for millions of people in Iraq.

Yeah, we just wring our hands waiting for the next bunch of death and destruction and then masturbate vigorously when it happens. The skin sloughed off my penis when Abu Ghraib happened. Us Liberals had orgiastic gay sex with each other when 9/11 happened too. We routinely call out Osama's name during intercourse. God, we hate that Iraqis are free to vote. We want Saddam back! He was great for us and for them. We actually have a fund so that for every American death in Iraq, we get $100 that we can use in whatever sick and depraved way we can. I put it towards destroying the American Family, my pet project. Others like to undermine the Constitution or take over the media.

/Sorry fellow Libs, I had to out us. It was getting to be too much fun not to share.
 
2005-01-30 11:17:08 PM  
You all do realize that if Iraq becomes a free and prosperous nation, the "purple finger" will be included in some sort of national celebration to commemorate this historic event.

Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming? And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air, Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.


Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
 
2005-01-30 11:17:24 PM  
It's pretty sad that so many people of filled with such hatred for a man that no matter what happens, he's still an idiot\chimp\spawn of satan\whatever in that person's eyes. Bush could walk on water to save a drowning child and the headlines the next day would read "BUSH CAN'T SWIM! LOLZ HE'S DUM AND TEH CHIMP!"
 
2005-01-30 11:17:30 PM  
I hope in a few months we aren't looking back on all these sappy election pictures as the successors to the "Mission Accomplished" aircraft carrier shot.
 
2005-01-30 11:17:46 PM  
Okay, I know this thread is blown up beyond all control but why are we so damn hateful toward eachother? I'm sick of all the Red State/ Blue State crap.. I met Krist Novoselic on Friday and he had a positve message... I just wish people would stop being crusaders and start being HUMAN FARKING BEINGS again...

/Yeah, I live in NYC
/I love 'merica
 
2005-01-30 11:18:25 PM  
wow now i remember why i only read the articles and don't comment. way to pull numbers out of your ass. medicare does need some adjustments, as all gov't programs eventually do.

you said that people paying after '65 wouldn't get their money. he is. he is also earning money from private investments, as everyone has the right to. s.s. is insurance and it has done really well at helping get seniors out of poverty and help disabled workers and/or their families.

yes workers support retirees, that's how the system works. they couldn't "lock away" his contributions, as they had to pay benefits to retired people all that time. sure, there is more s.s. tax revenue than benefit payments, and it is used to buy bonds which earn a rate of return.
the ratio is meaningless. it's about how much is payed in and how much is drawn out. s.s. will pay full benefits for the next 40 years, and then it will be able to pay 80% of the benefits. so yes, things need to be done to account for the statistical bump that is the baby boomers. like perhaps lifting the payroll tax ceiling on people making above $80,000.

or...maybe we could think back to 2000 when there was a big government surplus. good times, good times.

/done
 
2005-01-30 11:18:38 PM  
Any political victory for our President is a "bad day" for liberals, even if it does mean the beginning of freedom for millions of people in Iraq.

So your first thought regarding any event in Iraq is who's side it will benefit over here? That anybody uses events in Iraq as an attemp to one-up the other side is so ass-backwards that I don't know where to begin, whether they're celebrating or ruing a successful election. Don't make an event like this about domestic politics. You're heart's in this for all the wrongs reasons.

Also, this was a terrific day for Iraq and a huge victory, but ultimately it's just the first step in the road to a peaceful democracy. There's no point in celebrating yet, we're still very, very far from declaring mission accomplished.
 
2005-01-30 11:18:44 PM  
Reminds me of this classic.

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Beautiful...
 
2005-01-30 11:19:08 PM  
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Yesterday's news


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Today's news
 
2005-01-30 11:19:16 PM  
ThrobblefootSpectre:

Oh, and if i may again call on your superior intellect, how will the US deal with the problem of Peak oil and China's growing middle classes who want oil products.....

I havent figured that one out myself, but i am sure you can....

Actually, what is you position on Peak Oil theory? I would like it explained to me by you.
 
2005-01-30 11:19:24 PM  
[image from staticfree.info too old to be available]

Or I can do what I do best and we can have us a downright nasty lil time where I'll make you my dog, put you through the wringer and beat you like you owe me money, honey. You let me know then, maggot!
 
2005-01-30 11:20:20 PM  
PC LOAD LETTER


Blood orgy!! Blood orgy!!
 
2005-01-30 11:21:24 PM  
Consdubya:

We could use temporary hotmail accounts. No one needs to publish their actual email address. I agree I wouldnt do that either. It invites spam.

My comments were based on the posts here which seem to focus exclusively on the negative aspects of the situation in Iraq.

Look, Im not a Bush apologist. I laugh when I hear his union addresses on radio. He always sounds so lost. But heck if I can see why people here are so negative about the Iraqi elections today. It just doesnt make sense to me.
 
2005-01-30 11:21:38 PM  
1000 good deeds < 1 bad deed

=

BearToy logic
 
2005-01-30 11:23:33 PM  
I scan down this thread and have to laugh.

It's like the Truth is this huge mirror, that's been smashed to pieces, and everybody is holding their little piece up, each piece reflecting something different, and shouting: "No, I have it! I HAVE THE MIRROR!"

Gawd, a beer would taste good...
 
2005-01-30 11:23:43 PM  
The Bruce Dickinson: Reminds me of this classic.

Yeah thats a great picture. Have you seen the one they took of her now that she is older? Still has those haunting eyes.
 
2005-01-30 11:25:27 PM  
Senator John Kerry, Mr Bush's defeated rival in the November 2 presidential election, warned that it was hard to describe the vote as legitimate, "when whole portions of the country can't vote and doesn't vote".

What a douche.
 
2005-01-30 11:25:43 PM  
godsrighthandgimp

link to that pic?
 
2005-01-30 11:29:39 PM  
Satchel_Brown: link to that pic?

Um I do believe National Geographic has put their whole collection of photographs online. That would be the place to look.
 
2005-01-30 11:30:21 PM  
Prospero424
Hehehehehe, have you ever seen or read "Dune"?
I was picturing Frank Stallone in kind of a Beast Rabban role.


Huh, never read the book or saw the movie. I heard the former was good while the latter was bad. That true? And who's Beast Rabban?
 
2005-01-30 11:30:46 PM  
ThrobblefootSpectre:

2005-01-30 11:21:24 PM ThrobblefootSpectre

Consdubya:

We could use temporary hotmail accounts. No one needs to publish their actual email address. I agree I wouldnt do that either. It invites spam.

My comments were based on the posts here which seem to focus exclusively on the negative aspects of the situation in Iraq.

Look, Im not a Bush apologist. I laugh when I hear his union addresses on radio. He always sounds so lost. But heck if I can see why people here are so negative about the Iraqi elections today. It just doesnt make sense to me.



Please try and find my Weeners in this discussion. I am happy the elections happened. I am very happy that they went off so well and with such limited loss of life. I am however still very worried about the future of Iraq, and dont think the elections will have a massive impact to the overall situation in terms of security.

I think this is a time for caution and guarded optimism. Not celebration and "I told you so's".

Iraq was a mistake IMHO, but we will not know for sure till several years from now.
 
2005-01-30 11:31:30 PM  
Steve French
No sense taking on somebody really dangerous.

No sense making it harder on yourself for questionable gain. That shiat may work on your midnight game of Command & Conquer, but the "let's pick someone challenging" stuff makes zero sense when it is real lives on the line. In real warfare, you stack the deck whenever you can.
 
2005-01-30 11:31:41 PM  
The Bruce Dickinson, she looks like she could be one of the Phoenix's, Like Joaquin when he was still named Leaf, or even the girl Phoenix, her name escapes me.
 
2005-01-30 11:31:50 PM  
None of you who are "pro war" really care. Please go to bed now.
 
2005-01-30 11:32:31 PM  
I was hopin you'd do the work, me being a lazy liberal and all. :)
 
2005-01-30 11:33:12 PM  
FYI, Buckshot, You're missing the point friend, our original reason for going was for the EMERGENCY situation of a rogue government possessing TONS of biological, chemical, and possible nuclear weapons, we found 2 tons. That's literal for 'ton'.
 
2005-01-30 11:33:36 PM  
VideoVader:

Huh, never read the book or saw the movie. I heard the former was good while the latter was bad. That true? And who's Beast Rabban?

Oh man you are missing out. Rent Dune and then Chilren of Dune. Better yet read the books. Classics.

You could watch the original Dune but I advise the updated version. Of course what one is better is a debate for another thread.
 
2005-01-30 11:34:08 PM  
SSNPguerrilla:

you know, this kinda reminds me of the election the Israeli's had in Lebanon when they invaded. It was "a resounding success" considering we were under military occupation. Thank god my party assasinated the president that the Israeli's...err Lebanese elected


So is the SSNP going to assassinate Lahoud now that he got a 3 year term extension voted upon by the Syrian... err Lebanese parliament?

/unlikely
 
2005-01-30 11:34:21 PM  
VideoVader

Oh, I liked them both, especially the books. Although the movie was strange (being directed by David Lynch and all) and a bit slow in parts.

Rabban was the governor the bad guys sent out to repress the population of the desert planet in the most brutal manner possible, like our Mr. Stallone here.

Hehehehe.
 
2005-01-30 11:34:29 PM  
Iraqi voters: Stupid or Deceived?

Discuss among yourselves.
 
2005-01-30 11:34:41 PM  
Securing a democracy anywhere in the world where there currently isn't one is a win for all other democratic countrys. That's why we're there. You can't conquer more land when it's all owned by someone, however, you can create a favorable situation for yourself.

America has a significant investment in the Middle-East becoming democratic.

I'm frankly sick of these vocal anti-american morons, it's getting old and loosing its charm. Who needs terrorists when 49% of the population thinks its smart to change presidents when we're at war? If Kerry had won we'd be getting futbucked trying to pull out of the middle east and we'd just end up pissing off EVERYONE.

Just to make this clear, I hate people who mindlessly worship America. But, like it or not we are at war and you can't just quit fighting a war when it gets rough. Sure, if all our troops were being slaughtered, if we couldn't make any headway, if we weren't able to secure the nation for even a basic election. Then I'd agree we should cut our losses and take one for the team. As it is, while we are not winning in a manner Joe Public might find titilating and self-mastubatory. We are winning.
 
2005-01-30 11:36:52 PM  
why does Beartoy hate Iraq ?
 
2005-01-30 11:37:24 PM  
Yeah, of any series of book I could recommend to someone, it would have to be the Dune series.

Truly an epic work of genius.

/not a sci-fi geek despite what you're thinking :)
 
2005-01-30 11:37:53 PM  
Action Replay Nick: None of you who are "pro war" really care. Please go to bed now.

I tend to agree with that statement. On the other hand I doubt that the anti-war people really give a fark either.

Its all about "Im right and your wrong" at this point. Sad really.
 
2005-01-30 11:37:53 PM  
Somehow, the US today reminds me of the English Empire in centuries past. Everyone was a savage, and they needed to conq>>er- liberate the peoples and educate them.
A bit arrogant?
 
2005-01-30 11:38:44 PM  
Halfmast Trousers

Iraqi voters: Stupid or Deceived?

Simple. If you hate Bush, then they are stupid and deceived.
 
2005-01-30 11:38:57 PM  
Halfman Trousers, empowered.
 
2005-01-30 11:38:57 PM  
It looks like the Iraqis have been fingering TINKYWINKY...yeah America has definitely come to the Middle East.
 
2005-01-30 11:41:11 PM  
GodsRightHandGimp

I guarantee you that there are people, even here, who really do care.

It's just too bad that the assholes always have to be the loudest.

c'est la vie!
 
2005-01-30 11:41:25 PM  
Question to all:

If the new Iraqi government demands the US leaves Iraq within 6 months do you think the US will respect the wishes of the democratically elected government?

What if the Shia gain all power, and decide to turn Iraq into a Iran-allied theocracy? Will the US be ok with this and let it happen?
 
2005-01-30 11:41:26 PM  
St. Apatheism:

I'm frankly sick of these vocal anti-american morons, it's getting old and loosing its charm. Who needs terrorists when 49% of the population thinks its smart to change presidents when we're at war?


So, um, you think Bush should remain in office until 2050?
 
2005-01-30 11:41:51 PM  
farkdog
The problem is that there are a lot of us who really feel that other "wayward" countries _are_ on the invasion list. I'd feel a _lot_ better if I had confidence that Iraq was
the last stop on the liberation train.


There isn't an "invasion list". There are countries that need reform. Hopefully, they will reform on their own (there are signs of progress in several countries). If not, then we apply pressure to make them reform. Diplomatic pressure, economic pressure, military pressure.

There is, however, a "liberation train". Iraq is not the only stop on the train. It makes very little sense to set up democracy in Iraq, dust off our hands and say "Yep, good enough." Iraq is not the end-all and be-all of this mess. It is a beginning. A shaky, rocky, bloody beginning.

With luck and hard work, Iraq will be the only place where the US Military has to go blow crap up.
 
2005-01-30 11:42:08 PM  
rppp01a [TotalFark]

Somehow, the US today reminds me of the English Empire in centuries past. Everyone was a savage, and they needed to conquer- liberate the peoples and educate them.
A bit arrogant?


Oh, so you are saying that that people should help themselves instead of relying on someone else? Hmn, that doesn't sound like the progressive agenda at all; in fact, that sounds like a conservative perspective.

/loves lib logic
 
2005-01-30 11:43:49 PM  
consdubya
If the new Iraqi government demands the US leaves Iraq within 6 months do you think the US will respect the wishes of the democratically elected government?

What if the Shia gain all power, and decide to turn Iraq into a Iran-allied theocracy? Will the US be ok with this and let it happen?


I don't think we'd be okay with it, but I think we'd let it happen. If they ask us to leave, we'll go. They'd be criminally insane to ask us to go, but if they did... sure, we're gone.

You are aware that they won't have a full government until at least a year from April, right?
 
2005-01-30 11:43:57 PM  
GodsRightHandGimp
Action Replay Nick: None of you who are "pro war" really care. Please go to bed now.
I tend to agree with that statement. On the other hand I doubt that the anti-war people really give a fark either.
Its all about "Im right and your wrong" at this point. Sad really.


I'd never claim to be "right" over anyone. I don't sleep at night because of what we are doing, and I hope more than anything that Iraqis have a fair and honest election.

However, I am not blind to the fact that we have altered our reasons for war on more than one occassion, and that bothers me a lot. I just hope that, despite all the malice I feel has been shown toward the average Iraqi, they can take something meaningful from it at this point and our troops can get the hell home and stop "nation building".
 
2005-01-30 11:44:02 PM  
Haizum: Simple. If you hate Bush, then they are stupid and deceived.

I have no love for Bush, the president or the pubic hair, and I think they are stupid or have been deceived. Care to explain why you think that is?
 
2005-01-30 11:44:41 PM  
found it:

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/afghangirl/zoom1.html

Living in the mountains of Afghanistan does wonders for one's complexion, no?
 
2005-01-30 11:45:18 PM  
Consdubya: "I am happy the elections happened. I am very happy that they went off so well and with such limited loss of life. I am however still very worried about the future of Iraq"

Okay, sounds like we are, in fact, somewhat in agreement on the fundamentals. Maybe I just have more of a tendency to accentuate the positive.

Democracy is a process that evolves over decades and centuries. It is not an overnight event. Today that process has been catalyzed in Iraq. I sincerely hope it flourishes.

But there is still the very real possibility that the democratic initiative in Iraq may be seriously hurt by continued resistance from al-Zarqawi types. Or from developing political rivalries among elected Iraqis. I realize this as much as anyone.
 
2005-01-30 11:45:44 PM  
GodsRightHandGimp

You feel exactly the way I predicted one would if they "hate" the president. What are you asking?
 
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