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2005-01-28 01:10:32 PM  
No Child Left a Dime
 
2005-01-28 01:14:22 PM  
SMRT
 
2005-01-28 01:16:30 PM  
PUKE
 
2005-01-28 01:16:40 PM  
Zardoz: This sounds like an Onion article to me. Are they f*cking serious?


Yes, they are. I live in the town right next to it! I couldn't believe it myself when my AP English teacher told me. The reason why I mention the "AP" is because according to these people, there should be no AP classes because that leave some children behind!
 
2005-01-28 01:17:38 PM  
I heard they cancelled it for a school staff orgy that was planned for the same night.
 
2005-01-28 01:18:52 PM  
OUR CHILDREN IS LEARNING
 
2005-01-28 01:19:41 PM  
Anyone know if there are any instances where "No Child Left Behind" has done any measurable, verifiable good? And I'm not talking about more kids being passed, I'm talking about more kids understanding and comprehending their material.

Is there any good that's come of this mis-named bill?
 
2005-01-28 01:19:46 PM  
Rincewind53


When I was in fifth grade I could spell "Electroencephelograph." Then again, I was a nerd, and still am.


Apparently, you cannot anymore. It's Electroenceph*a*lograph.


shipud:
Belgium and Holland: no nation whoseflemish ancestors chose to willfulyl eat vetches counts as a successful culture to me..



Rembrandt, Spinoza, Anton Van Leewenhoek, The Breughels, Vermeer, Vincent Van Gogh, Rene Descartes (did most of his work in Leyden), Christiaan Huygens... Yeah, no contribution whatsoever.

OK, they have crappy food, and Van Damme should probably not have been given a Green Card.


spain: wasn't aware they have two national languages? what's the second? (see you can learn on FARK)


Catalan. But reginally, so I'm not sure it counts with you. Stil, it's spoken by 20% of the population.
 
2005-01-28 01:21:38 PM  
Second part of my last post intended for Merle27
 
2005-01-28 01:23:44 PM  
shipud: I think therefore I eat vetches....ugh...sorry I wasn't going even to play the Van Damme card but well he's good for wiping out a 1000 years of culture anyday (c'mon did you see that movie he was in with Dennis Rodman...it took years for my eyesight to come back!)

So is Catalan an official language or a regional dialect...kind of like brooklynese here? Or is it a seperate language ( i always thought Catalan was like a high or low spanish kind of like how there was vulgar and high latin?)
 
2005-01-28 01:29:41 PM  
whats next? No more sports in school because it makes kids sad when they loose? No more tests because some kid is bound to do worse than others? I think it's time to start looking into whats required for home schooling children.
 
2005-01-28 01:29:43 PM  
Anyone know if there are any instances where "No Child Left Behind" has done any measurable, verifiable good? And I'm not talking about more kids being passed, I'm talking about more kids understanding and comprehending their material.

Is there any good that's come of this mis-named bill?

You'd have to ask Mike71 . . . He's the only farker I know who is still in grade school . . .
 
2005-01-28 01:32:39 PM  

"We are the middle children of history, raised by television to believe that someday we'll be winners, but we won't... And we are very pissed off."
 
2005-01-28 01:33:55 PM  
Merle27

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Or is it a seperate language

Seperate but close, like other Western Romance languages (e.g. Italian).


My point was that language unity is actually an excaption, not a rule. Most countries borders were drawn up by wars ro colonialism, so they naturally encomass different language groups. Although how the countries actually deal with it varies. It can be anything from criminalizing a language to mandatory schooling.


I liked that movie with Dennis Rhodman. But because of Rhodman, not Van Damme :)
 
2005-01-28 01:35:49 PM  
gimmegimme: my god where did you go to school? that's horrendous...people like that are the reasons I'm no longer a leftist.....

the worst things that happened to me ideologically wise were:
a> listen to a white journalism professor lecture me on how reginald denny deserved to be beaten

b> failing a civics class for claimingin my final paper that AMerica was not a beautiful mosaic of different cultures but rather a jigsaw puzzle comprised of pieces from different puzzles jammed together and destined to break...cited a lot of historical stuff too..amybe shouldn't of gotten an A on the paper but to fail me for the course? (my tests were all like 98-100's)....I think that's when I realized teacher's have agendas...
 
2005-01-28 01:39:08 PM  
shipud actually I shouldn't rag on the Dutch so much, but I can't help it. They sahre a border with Belgium, and the belgians are so bloody evil.
 
2005-01-28 01:40:01 PM  
"build positive self-esteem for all kids, so they believe theyre all winners"

Hey, guess what...they're not. All the loser adults had to come from somewhere...

Anyone ever read Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut (Short story in Welcome to the Monkeyhouse) as well as an HBO movie with Sean Astin? Sumarizes this article perfectly.
 
2005-01-28 01:41:26 PM  
Merle27


b> failing a civics class for claimingin my final paper that AMerica was not a beautiful mosaic of different cultures but rather a jigsaw puzzle comprised of pieces from different puzzles jammed together and destined to break...cited a lot of historical stuff too..amybe shouldn't of gotten an A on the paper but to fail me for the course? (my tests were all like 98-100's)....I think that's when I realized teacher's have agendas...


So you switched camps because all right-wing professors are academically honest?
 
2005-01-28 01:42:28 PM  
Education is becoming less and less a social value. It is partly due to an anti-intellectualism that stems from home grown religious fanatics and the intellectually insecure crowd. Few people have the ability to deal with the fact that they just might be full of shiat some times. It also comes from many of the immigrants that come here who's culture does not value education. People generally emigrate for two reasons: political oppression or lack of being able to obtain a job in their native country. This lack of being able to obtain work can be attributed to lack of education. When is the last time the Mexican doing yard work or cleaning your office has even completed public education in Mexico let alone any college? You're typical laborers here have about a 6th grade education.

I dont have a solution for how to change our own value system. However our government needs to stop letting illiterate people into this country. You cannot contribute to our society if you cannot read and write. We have plenty of home grown lazy people as it is, we dont need any new ones thanks. Also, the era of American expansion is over. We dont need any more laborers to build railroads and the like.

The next argument thats usually spouted is "white people dont want to do that kind of work." Bullshiat. I grew up on a farm and that elitist mentality is an insult to everyone that has. When I grew up on a farm we didnt have Mexicans to do field work, we had teenagers. Maybe if you take some of our fat ass suburban teens away from the Xbox and put them to work doing some manual labor it would do them some good. Maybe that teach them some values too.
 
2005-01-28 01:43:32 PM  
Merle27


shipud actually I shouldn't rag on the Dutch so much, but I can't help it. They sahre a border with Belgium, and the belgians are so bloody evil.



The Dutch don't like them too much either. Belgians are the butt of "stupid" jokes in Holland.
 
2005-01-28 01:43:38 PM  
shipud god no...actually my switch occured later...it's just that's the moment where I realized teachers might not be telling me the truth impartially...

frankly now I only respect teachers who admit their bias and then do their best to teach around it....
 
2005-01-28 01:44:16 PM  
Oh. My. GOD!!!

I can't believe this...I mean doesn't this:

The administrators agreed, Newman said, that a spelling bee doesnt meet the criteria of all children reaching high standards -- because there can only be one winner, leaving all other students behind.

and this...

"There was no debate at all. It was one of the easiest decisions," the assistant superintendent said because "there was no question among the administrators" that a spelling bee was "contrary to the expectations" of No Child Left Behind.

...just reek of liberal soreness at having to be held accountable for doing their damn jobs?? They despise the NCLB act so much that they'll stoop to doing this and point fingers at the act saying "See?? This is what this is making us do!". It's like a kid, after being told to clean his room, making a big elaborate production and going way overboard with it as a protest and then saying "Oh no, YOU said I had to get my room clean, THAT'S why I'm taking a magnifying glass and spot dusting every square inch of my room! Because YOOOOU want it CLEEEAAN!". I have never heard of such petty crap in all my life. This is the same bunch of idiots who cancelled in school Halloween and Xmas celebrations to 'get more study time in because NCLB told us to!'.

And besides, in the REAL world, there are winners and there are losers, and there is nothing you can do about that. Some people are better at things than others, not everyone can be a doctor, and not everyone can be a ditchdigger for that matter. You nurture the inherent skills a child has...if that means playing basketball, or being good with math, or winning a spelling bee, dammit, let the kids do it because that's what they're good at...way to develop a kids self confidence by never letting them excel.

Our educators have clearly put themsleves and their own selfish interests above that of the educatees. And they wonder why everyone is clamoring for school vouchers...
 
2005-01-28 01:44:43 PM  
I hate children and I hate pussy parents who raise pussified children. STOP BREEDING PEOPLE, PLEASE!
 
2005-01-28 01:44:57 PM  
shipud:

My daughter goes to a school where 40% of the students (conservative estimate) are non-native speakers. All of them are, BTW, legally in the US. The reason for this number is that they are the children of immigrant/visiting scientists.


Hardly sounds like the hordes of poorly educated barbarians and criminals (hard to say exactly because Hispanics are classified as Caucasians in many states) sweeping across the Rio Grande. I wonder how many of the people that you see darting over the freeways in San Diego are scientists and post docs? My daughter goes to school with a Japanese girl whose parents moved here, that girl is as sharp as any tack and can speak English just fine.

I am not arguing for some homogenous white utopia here. I am arguing that until we can put effective systems in place, that we should halt the hemmorhage at our southern border. It is a joke to them.

A landscaper who does work in my neighborhood explained that he goes home every Christmas, with all of the money he has made that year, spends a few months there, sells the truck he took with him for a profit (trucks sell for more in Mexico for some reason) and then sneaks back in. He said that sometimes it takes him a couple of tries, but usually not, because he knows some Border Patrol people (he's had plenty of contact with them at least) who have given him hints on when it is best to come over, like holidays.

The Irish, the Jews, French, German and Italians who came to this country around the turn of the century were all barbarians as well. Mostly poor and uneducated, they didn't speak English. They were seen as such by Native Americans as they came in. They set up their own economic networks and neighborhoods, but eventually assimilated nicely (except those farking Swedes in the upper midwest).

How was that any different from what is going on today with the hordes of Asians, Africans* and Latin Americans coming in every day? The Germans and Italians and the French all had the fact that they were Western Europeans in common. In fact, they clashed more along religous lines than anything else - Protestant, Catholic, and Jew.

We still see Italian restaurants and German butcher shops, but their signs are in English, the people who own them and work there speak English as a primary language. Now go to a Chinese restaurant, where English is almost always the second language. Taqeurias are the same way. Latin American and Chinese immigrants are notorious for their mistrust of the government, they are loathe to call the police. They do not assimilate, they insulate.

The second problem is that we are losing anything of worth that people would want to assimilate into. Education, and the lack thereof, is a very serious issue facing the future success of this country. It should be considered Child Neglect or Abuse to raise the kinds of kids which fill the poor schools in Chicago or Brooklyn. You can go to jail for calling your kid a dumbfark, but you are completely sanctioned in raising that child as one.

I feel strongly that there are powers who want half of the population to be ignorant and pre-programmed for failure. It feeds the Justice machine and creates huge blocs of humans that can be led around by the nose, and used for cheap labor.

*Africans. I am seeing more and more African immigrants working in gas stations and convenience stores. They are hardworking and friendly, and openly curious about America. I buy my coffee form the same woman every morning I am working offsite, she is like a fixture in that place. She despises American Blacks, and goes to great pains to distinguish herself from them. She studies and goes to school, even though she must be nearly forty. I used to get my gas at a place owned by Indians. Their kids were always studying medicine and physics while behind the counter. Before I moved from that area I learned that the oldest had been accepted to medical school and that his younger sister was leaving high school a year early to begin college. Those people didn't have a pot to piss in, I think they were actually living in the store in fact.
 
2005-01-28 01:45:43 PM  
shipud: I also hear that in Europe "polish" jokes become another nationality as well...
 
2005-01-28 01:46:12 PM  
Mwnn: However our government needs to stop letting illiterate people into this country.

The current administration encourages this. From Linda Chavez to Bernard Kerik on down, where would we find people to do the dirty work for low wages?
 
2005-01-28 01:46:46 PM  
2005-01-28 01:44:43 PM Badafuco


I hate children and I hate pussy parents who raise pussified children. STOP BREEDING PEOPLE, PLEASE!



Yup. And yo mama too!
 
2005-01-28 01:47:01 PM  
I love "no child left behind"
/waits for check!
 
2005-01-28 01:47:03 PM  
2005-01-28 09:38:51 AM Gohanmastaflex

One crazy school administration decision does not a nutjob town/state make.

In all fairness, Rhode Island is pretty crazy already.

/Another Rhode Islander.
 
2005-01-28 01:47:52 PM  
Paschal: also isn't Bush always talking about an amnesty for illegals? and freer borders with Mexico
 
2005-01-28 01:50:11 PM  
2005-01-28 01:46:12 PM Paschal
Mwnn: However our government needs to stop letting illiterate people into this country.

The current administration encourages this. From Linda Chavez to Bernard Kerik on down, where would we find people to do the dirty work for low wages?


In anticipation of that comment, I already answered that question. See above.
 
2005-01-28 01:50:35 PM  
note: he definitely was prior to 9/11 and I still think he claims to want to ease Mexican immigration right?
 
2005-01-28 01:52:10 PM  
Paschal: also isn't Bush always talking about an amnesty for illegals? and freer borders with Mexico

Exactly. It got swept under the rug at election time. That's what's so frustrating -- Kerry could have brought any of this stuff up during the debates, but didn't. This is something his own base shouldn't have been happy with. Personally, I have nothing against immigration, but bring something to the table. Other country's castoffs isn't the right way to go . . .
 
2005-01-28 01:53:40 PM  
itazurakko:
But so many people like to rail against illegal immigration as if it's only the fault of the person coming over, ignoring the fact that in order to get local labor doing those jobs, the wages will need to go up quite a bit and the exploitation will need to stop. Hopefully, we can get there.


No, I am 100% for holding employers, from Hormel right on down to Mrs. Smith who hires an illegal to clean her pool, accountable as accessories to a criminal act. They are, after all.
 
2005-01-28 01:54:19 PM  
Mwnn: In anticipation of that comment, I already answered that question. See above.

I agree with you there, but seriously, do you see Barbara and Not-Barbara Bush working down on the farm? Other than a novelty act -- ala Paris Hilton.
 
2005-01-28 01:55:38 PM  
i caim in furst in evry spelleng B i evar entred. No wun is smartar then mi!!
 
2005-01-28 01:58:51 PM  
Badafuco: i caim in furst in evry spelleng B i evar entred. No wun is smartar then mi!!


Why do you have to make the rest of us feel bad and stupid? How can we become better if we don't pull you down?
 
2005-01-28 02:02:12 PM  
No Child's Behind Left.
 
2005-01-28 02:03:40 PM  
Master_of_none: Ah the catholic school policy of No Child's Behind Left alone....
 
2005-01-28 02:05:03 PM  
Okay. Now, everyone take out your safety pencil and a circle of paper. This week, I hope we can finish our work on the letter "A".
 
2005-01-28 02:08:02 PM  
2005-01-28 01:44:16 PM TheGoblinKing
Oh. My. GOD!!!

I can't believe this...I mean doesn't this:
[snip]
and this...
[snip]
...just reek of liberal soreness at having to be held accountable for doing their damn jobs?? Blah blah blah...


Uhh, no? Maybe you should actually read what NCLB says. Essentially, you can't have students behind other students. It's so poorly worded that it essentially outlaws any kind of academic contests where there are winners and losers.

This has nothing to do with "liberal soreness" and more to do with not wanting to break the law, even a bad one.

Our educators have clearly put themsleves and their own selfish interests above that of the educatees. And they wonder why everyone is clamoring for school vouchers...

Has it never even entered your mind to consider the possibility that they don't like NCLB because it's bad law? You seem to feel that the best way to deal with bad educators is to underfund education as a whole. That's like starving fifty kids because one of them is fat.
 
2005-01-28 02:08:42 PM  
wayward2: mello yello rules! I went to school in a place called Laurinburg right over the border from SC and it seemed so much better than NC....but #5 in the STDs...I bet it's Swansey that tilts the ratio...And While not everyone should wear cut offs..up here the problem is belly shirts....

Really? SC better than NC?

I've noticed the opposite. While going from Lancaster, SC to Monroe, NC I could almost see the state line by how the surrounding area looked.

SC: Mobile homes and run down old houses.
NC: Small farms, well maintained brick houses.

I've seen similar in quite a few places along the state line.
 
2005-01-28 02:12:19 PM  
I am a high school teacher, and I have yet to meet an educator who is on board with NCLB. We all hate it, hate the mandatory tests, and think it is a joke. We are all just waiting for a new administration to eliminate it and bring in a set of new hoops for us to jump through. In the meantime, there are a few of us that are here for the right reasons and doing a good job. Maybe this school is sick of NCLB too, and is trying to show how stupid it is.
 
2005-01-28 02:12:25 PM  
wayward2: maybe it's jsut Laurinburg....or the fact that I had a major crush on a girl from Columbia who finally gave in to my Yankee guile...and yeah there's mobile homes in NC ...heck those things are everywhere...I work here on Long Island and my office building is across the street from a trailer park...
 
2005-01-28 02:12:26 PM  
And by the way, I hereby propose a new rule: Anyone who wants to badmouth teachers has to spend one year being one first, and find out why teachers work harder than doctors for a quarter of the pay.
 
2005-01-28 02:14:13 PM  
kittenpole: as an educator what are the specific reasons you hate NCLb as an educator? jsut curious...
 
2005-01-28 02:15:20 PM  
that bastid kerry is behind this. i farkin know it.
 
2005-01-28 02:16:17 PM  
GoodDamon: are you a doctor and a teahcer? or how can you compare them fairly? and unless your answer to question 1 was yes aren't you guilty of what you apparently think no else shoud do (judge w/o walking in the shoes?)
 
2005-01-28 02:23:45 PM  
Well I read about half the comments and it seems that so far no one, not even the educators here, understand what the real motivation behind NCLB is.
NCLB is a conservative strategy for privatizing education. Its simeple really, set the standards impossibly high and make the funding conditional to minimum standards. When public schools consistantly fail to reach the standards and have lost most funding then they can start hammering the voucher system which leades to private schools etc...
 
2005-01-28 02:26:08 PM  
we need to realize that not all teachers are Jaime Esclante's and in fact they're probalby a rarity...

lets take them off the pedastal for a while....
 
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